Clinton projected to win PA primary.
Fox News is reporting that Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) has won the Pennsylvania primary election. Neither CNN nor MSNBC have declared the contest yet.
UpdateMSNBC and CNN have now joined and projected that Clinton will win the primary.
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With One Percent in, Clinton has a 60%/40% lead. Philly is notoriously late reporting, so it’s going to be closer than that.
April 22nd, 2008 at 8:51 pmMy prediction is a 53/47 win for Clinton, netting her about 13 delegates.
With 3% reporting it’s now Clinton 55/45…Hmmm…
April 22nd, 2008 at 8:52 pmThis is bullshit, TP. AND you’re getting this news from FOX.
Nice try.
April 22nd, 2008 at 8:52 pmI seem to remember about 8 years back when fixed noise reported that shrub won Fla. before all the votes were counted. I expect bull flop from FNC, you should know better TP. :(
April 22nd, 2008 at 8:56 pmShe is the projected winner, with a small percentage of votes counted — we expected that. What is the real issue is how much of her +20% lead was Obama able to cut into.
April 22nd, 2008 at 8:57 pmRight now, the difference is 6%, but that will fluctuate all night - so no one should have a victory party yet.
Doesn’t matter, Hillary doesn’t have THE math.
April 22nd, 2008 at 8:59 pmShe is the projected winner, with a small percentage of votes counted — we expected that. What is the real issue is how much of her +20% lead was Obama able to cut into.
What about the bullsh@t networks, calling early returns, when they all supposedly swore off them? More corporate media thumbs on the freeking scale.
April 22nd, 2008 at 9:00 pm5% of the precincts reporting, and they’re right on RUC’s prediction: 53/47.
April 22nd, 2008 at 9:03 pmWith 5% reporting Clinton 53/47… The thought plickens…
April 22nd, 2008 at 9:04 pmWith 7% Clinton 52/48… heh.
April 22nd, 2008 at 9:06 pmHey, TP regs, you please help flag a troll who is inciting violence and making death threats:
Please go to this comment and flag the moron.
April 22nd, 2008 at 9:07 pmShall we have a pool??? 51-49:Clinton
April 22nd, 2008 at 9:07 pmI think the comment is gone, Dr Matt.
April 22nd, 2008 at 9:16 pmHe’s toasted already Dr. Matt.
Hi Z!
April 22nd, 2008 at 9:21 pmI’m still at work, can you effing believe it?
Got in at 6 this morning…Geebutz. Got a damaged table to fix tomorrow, so building a shitload of scripts to do the fix…
Specialist! Do I get to change my original 53/47?
If so, I’ll take Obama 52/48!
April 22nd, 2008 at 9:22 pmHi, RUC. You crazy working-type people, I don’t know how you do it. :-)
April 22nd, 2008 at 9:22 pmThanks. It was there for several hours and these are the type of comments that O’Racist et al. will use to claim all libruls are a evil….even though it was obvious the poster was a reich-winger trying to make TP look bad.
April 22nd, 2008 at 9:23 pmNah, never mind. With 15% it’s back to my original call…
April 22nd, 2008 at 9:23 pmPittsburg will probably go for Clinton and Philadelphia for Obama. But who cares as long as a donky wins in Nov.. I would prefer Obama because he is truely an outsider but has had much more experience in government than the Chimp.
I personally will never vote again. I am registered in MA and it has always went Dem. so why bother.
April 22nd, 2008 at 9:24 pmZ ~ Grrrrr…. I’m packing it up, right now!
April 22nd, 2008 at 9:24 pmRUC, stop by the Zoo when you can. :)
April 22nd, 2008 at 9:25 pmMOONBAT Says:
I personally will never vote again. I am registered in MA and it has always went Dem. so why bother.
April 22nd, 2008 at 9:24 pm
C’mon, Moonbat. I live in Idaho, and I will always vote! We can’t give up!
April 22nd, 2008 at 9:27 pmZ ~! did you see my comment on the clockwork propagandist?
April 22nd, 2008 at 9:28 pmI’ll look. :)
April 22nd, 2008 at 9:31 pmRUC:So you got 53/47? Anyone else want to get in. I guess all you win is the all important TP bragging rights. ;)
April 22nd, 2008 at 9:31 pmI actually hope I lose and BHO somehow pulls off the upset.
Good one, RUC. Spot on.
April 22nd, 2008 at 9:32 pmthe saga continues
April 22nd, 2008 at 9:34 pmDr. Matt, that comment is gone and apparently has been reported to the FBI!! First time I ever saw that…wow!
Regarding this early projected winner stuff…I find it extremely irritating…I think NBC declared Clinton the winner when 3% of the vote was in! I really wish that, for once, when the returns from the majority of the votes in ANY election are counted, the networks would be so embarrassed by their “rush to call” that they’d cut it out!
April 22nd, 2008 at 9:34 pmEveryone should remember one thing.
Dick Scaife came out in support of Hillary just yesterday.
Having been born and brought up in Dick’s clubby town (that’s a little town east of Pittsburgh) and knowing this family I can tell you that money buys whatever you want. The wanna be’s in Pennsylvania are consumed with envy yet would do anything to be a part of them. It does not surprise me in the least she won there.
Remember Nash McCabe, the unemployed clerical worker who couldn’t look beyond the fact that Obama wouldn’t wear a flag pin. This is Pennsylvania. Nash epitomizes them.
For Hillary to win Pennsylvania should tell us all one thing categorically. We do not want her as president. Dick Sciafe and Hillary Clinton are now buddies? Think about that. Long and hard.
I cannot even watch the coverage. I am over on Link TV watching a report on global warming called “Power Trip”.
P.S. I couldn’t get out of town fast enough when I left for college many years ago and never looked back. The Mellons, the Scaifes, the Rolling Rock crowd are not your friends and you don’t want them as being cozy with your new president. Not now, not ever.
April 22nd, 2008 at 9:38 pmNash McCabe. May she live in infamy. I think she will, even if I don’t make a T-shirt to commemorate her, and model it everywhere I go, snowy jersey molded to my fabulous–
Anyway. Long may she reign as the Countess of Maroons.
April 22nd, 2008 at 9:48 pm51-49, Obama,
with Obama sweeping the Amish vote in late, hand-tabulated returns.
ok, I’m being a bit facetious. I admire the Amish for living their faith.
April 22nd, 2008 at 9:52 pmHow do the networks project the winner — on exit polls? Where people often tell you what they think you want to hear.
April 22nd, 2008 at 9:58 pm(As a former election judge, there is no way to know the result as soon as the polls close.)
{pundits are simply analyzing and re-analyzing one another’s estimates, guesses, feelings, and other weathervanes in their minds.)
Don’t we all remember November 2000?
Look. This isn’t the Rumble in the Jungle. It’s not World War II. It’s not even Tom & Jerry. It’s more like Wrestlemania. A little bit of fireworks and a laser display. But it is really just make-believe. A show. A show that happens every few years. Lots of noise and lots of action. But fundamentally still just a show. Nobody gets hurt. Yes, I am talking about the US Presidential election. http://angryafrican.net/2008/04/22/storm-in-a-teacup/
April 22nd, 2008 at 9:58 pmExit polls from Crooks and Liars, here are some other interesting Clinton > Obama stats:
$200,000 (annual income) or more (8%) 40% 60%
High school graduate or less (28%) 62% 38%
High school graduate (24%) 64% 36%
College graduate (20%) 48% 52%
Postgraduate study (26%) 51% 49%
Before January 2008, what was your voter registration status in Pennsylvania? Were you:
Registered as a Democrat (87%) 56% 44%
Registered as a Republican (5%) 46% 54%
Which ONE of these four candidate qualities mattered most in deciding how you voted today? (CHECK ONLY ONE)
Can bring about needed change (50%) 31% 69%
Cares about people like me (13%) 56% 44%
Has the right experience (26%) 94% 6%
Has the best chance to win in November (9%) 56% 44%
Did either of these candidates for president attack the other unfairly?
Only Hillary Clinton did (24%) 10% 90%
Only Barack Obama did (6%) 81% 19%
Both did (44%) 65% 35%
Neither did (24%) 70% 30%
(Only Obama???????)
In deciding your vote for president today, was the gender of the candidate:
Important (20%) 71% 29%
Not important (79%) 49% 51%
In deciding your vote for president today, was the gender of the candidate:
Men who say gender was a factor (6%) 58% 42%
Men who say gender was not a factor (34%) 47% 53%
Women who say gender was a factor (14%) 77% 23%
Women who say gender was not a factor (44%) 51% 49%
In deciding your vote for president today, was the race of the candidate:
Important (19%) 59% 41%
Not important (80%) 53% 47%
In deciding your vote for president today, was the race of the candidate:
April 22nd, 2008 at 10:14 pmWhites who say race was a factor (13%) 75% 25%
Whites who say race was not a factor (66%) 58% 42%
Blacks who say race was a factor (4%) - -
Blacks who say race was not a factor (9%) 9% 91%
All other races (5%) 52% 48%
From http://www.bradblog.com
10:50am ET: Both machines break down, 100’s leave without voting, Obama’s name not on provisional ballot! From Philly Inquirer/Daily News PA Primary Blog…
We continue to hear reports of broken machines. This tale was reported to the Daily News by a very patient voter:
“I just came from voting. Finally got my vote in at 49 ward, 07 division….after waiting for (the only) 2 voting machines to be repaired.
“I was able to cast my vote for Obama after waiting 1 and 1/2 hours. During that time at least 100 voters left without voting…..possibly not to return.
“I immediately called every News channel I could get through to. Persons who answered at the stations informed me that my ward was not the only one with broken machines and ‘Paper ballots (as an alternative) without Obama’s name on it. These provisional ballots did have Hiliary’s [sic] name on them.”
April 22nd, 2008 at 10:20 pmPersonally I don’t really like any of the candidates. I’m registered as a Republican but I’m actually rooting for Hillary to get the Democratic nomination. I don’t really like Hillary but I like Obama even less - IMO he’s way too liberal and he’s too much of a socialist if not an outright communist. Now, could I be convinced to vote for Hillary instead of McCain? I made the mistake of voting for her husband back in 1992 (although I must say that he did give comedians around the country all the free material they could ever want). We’ll just have to wait and see.
April 22nd, 2008 at 10:24 pmOooooh….scary communists!
You’re outdated, zombie. It’s scary TERRORISTS now. The communist threat is so passé.
April 22nd, 2008 at 10:27 pmFlagging #38.
RHF, crawl back under the slimy rock you crawled out of. You’re disgusting!
April 22nd, 2008 at 10:48 pmrepublicans hate facts
April 22nd, 2008 at 10:46 pm
Actually, my comment had nothing to do with Clinton or Obama — it had to do with the fact that TP was getting their news from FOX.
Dude, your meds are wearing off. Call Wal-Mart, I’m sure they can get you your big bottle of “nerve” pills.
April 22nd, 2008 at 10:54 pmCodeZombie @ 36
Bill Clinton was the smartest and most effective president since FDR. When he left office gasoline was $1.29. There was a budget surpluss and he didn’t increase the natiional debt. The debt was about $300 billion.
During Ronnie Raygun, Bush the elder and Chimpy’s reign they have increased the debt to $9.3 TRILLION. Conservative my ass. The Repubs say that the Dems like to tax and spend. Well, the Repubs like to borrow and spend. They like China’s money. Those small checks they will be giving out will be spent at Wallmart who buys mostly Chinese goods. So they are sending more money to China.
What does a bj have anything to do with Bill’s presidency. The only people who think his presidency was funny was people like you who live in trailer houses and play musical beds all night ant then go to church on Sunday. Get real. The whole world said whaaaat, they tried to impeach him for that!!! We all have mistresses and so did almost all of the presidents of the US.
April 22nd, 2008 at 10:55 pmZooey, meds aren’t needed at this point…full frontal lobotomy is.
April 22nd, 2008 at 10:55 pmHey RHF you should really get a refill on those meds. And tell us, is anything anybody said here nearly as hateful as what you just spewed. Hillary and her nasty campaign is what turned so many of us against her. Anybody who thinks her campaign isn’t the nastiest around is delusional.
April 22nd, 2008 at 10:58 pmMs_Joanne Says:
Zooey, meds aren’t needed at this point…full frontal lobotomy is.
April 22nd, 2008 at 10:55 pm
Well, you know what a kind and gentle c*nt I am. ;)
April 22nd, 2008 at 10:59 pmOh dear, what happened to rhf?
Heh.
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:01 pmWell, we know McCain doesn’t value the c*nt vote, so there ya have it. ;-)
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:02 pmZooey, meds aren’t needed at this point…full frontal lobotomy is.
Well, you know what a kind and gentle c*nt I am. ;)
Full frontal… lobotomy? Man, I thought this was going somewhere…
Dragsville…
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:04 pmHow much longer is this going to go on? I think we’re watching the Democratic party snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, once again. I can barely stand to say it, but I think Rachel Maddow is right. It’s going to be President McCain.
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:04 pmbarfly Says:
Full frontal… lobotomy? Man, I thought this was going somewhere…
Dragsville…
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:04 pm
You missed a little love note from rhf to me. :P
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:07 pmBarfly….YUCK! YUCK! DOUBLE YUCK! :-)
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:08 pmI think we’re watching the Democratic party snatch defeat from the jaws of victory,
All this sexual innuendo would be fun, if I wasn’t so horny…
Saltpeter milkshake, anyone?
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:09 pmBarfly, LOL!! Poor lamb.
Welcome to my world!
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:11 pmHeh.
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:11 pmbarfly Says:
Saltpeter milkshake, anyone?
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:09 pm
**weeping**
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:12 pmGet a long straw, Z…I’ll split one with ya. We can look at cute guys wistfully. ;-)
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:14 pmOops, I guess TP has a “horny” filter. Now, I’m “awaiting moderation.”
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:16 pmI guess we should save this sort of talk for the Saturday night cesspool party. :D
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:18 pm[Reverend Barfly attempts to steer the conversation back to Hillary and Barack]
So, um… is Pennsylvania an open primary? Or did all those repubs who registered as dems kneecap themselves?
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:25 pmHillary has won! Obama is toast. We’ll have a good times again. When Hillary gets elected she’ll lower our Gas prices, make companies raise our wages and provide healthcare.
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:25 pmBy next Spring, the economy will be booming!
[Sister Z buttons her top button…]
Reverend barfly, the PA primary is a closed primary. :)
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:27 pmKool G Says:
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:25 pm
Settle, Krack G. Go find the delegate count. *sigh*
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:29 pmZooey Says:
barfly Says:
Full frontal… lobotomy? Man, I thought this was going somewhere…
Dragsville…
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:04 pm
You missed a little love note from rhf to me. :P
I gave you all of the SAME LOVE you’ve GIVEN to the other HALF of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY that doesn’t agree with YOU or your SHRILL HYSTERICAL ATTACKS on Hillary. A member of ‘The Family’? What kind of MORON are you anyway? XOX :P
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:30 pmrepublicans hate facts Says:
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:30 pm
Do point out my “shrill hysterical attacks” on Hillary. I’m not the one posting meth-induced rants against other commenters here. Look in the mirror for some of that hysteria, Einstein.
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:33 pmBy next Spring, the economy will be booming!
Grandpa President McCain: Well, there are hard times ahead, and many difficult choices to make. One hard choice, is which lobbyist to make Secretary of State, which to make Secretary of the Interior, Defense, and especially as Attorney General.
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:33 pmrepublicans hate facts Says:
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:33 pm
Project much…?
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:35 pmrepublicans hate facts,
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:35 pmHey Hillaty will make the the companies lower the gas prices right? How did Clinton make the oil companies keep gas low?
I just want to know because I want lower gas prices and I hope Hillary will make them low.
I gave you all of the SAME LOVE you’ve GIVEN to the other HALF of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY that doesn’t agree with YOU or your SHRILL HYSTERICAL ATTACKS on Hillary. A member of ‘The Family’? What kind of MORON are you anyway?
I see RHF’s purchased the new, Wagner Political Power-Painter, that can gloss ideological differences away with a single stroke!
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:36 pmrepublicans hate facts Says:
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:33 pm
You are calling me rabid? Kneejerk? Hysterical? Insane?
You’re a laugh riot, dingleberry.
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:37 pmHussein really messed up as, in the last six weeks, he has finally shown his TRUE self which is a racist, elitist, Marxist, way far left lib liar who can and will NOT ever be elected.
On the other hand, the aged woman will probably be picked as the lib candidate. Either way, as lesbo Maddox said, John Mc Cain WILL be our next President.
Read this and weep libs!!
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:38 pmbarfly,
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:38 pmHillary fights for us the people. Obama is part of the elite. She will make companies raise our wages like Bill did during the 90’s. She’s also against Free Trade unlike Obama who supports it.
Zooey,
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:39 pmHillary is for the working people, not Obama!
Kool G Says:
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:39 pm
Get lost, Trahan. Sorry no one goes to your blog anymore — not even your “friends.”
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:42 pmHillary fights for us the people. Obama is part of the elite.
Way to parrot those talking points, Polly.
Hillary’s war stance (such as it is), mirrors her other policy positions - and yet, I, and most here, would vote for her, if she were chosen to be the candidate. But we do so with full knowledge of her flaws. No kumbaya’s to be found here, however.
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:44 pmZooey,
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:46 pmWho’s Trahan? Please explain.
Obama: 1682 delegates.
Clinton: 1547 delegates.
Read ‘em and weep, rhf. Then f_ck off.
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:48 pmbarfly,
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:51 pmShe’ll get rid of Free Trade, raise taxes on the rich and force companies to raises our wages. It will be like the 90’s again! Go Hillary!
Zooey,
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:52 pmHillary will win because she has Momentum. Plus the Super delagates will side with her because she can beat McCain. We’ll win this nomination at the convention.
Kool G Says:
We’ll win this nomination at the convention.
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:52 pm
Got a turd in your pocket?
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:55 pmZooey,
Who’s Trahan? Please explain.
Allow me.
A troll, who spent his divorcee-mother’s hard-earned child-support payments on a web-monitor-type blog, only to see the effort fail due to a delusional business-plan.
He should be pitied… and scorned.
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:56 pmI find it astounding that the Clinton campaign has the audacity to re-frame this as a victory for Sen Clinton because Sen Obama hasn’t knocked her out yet! She is still losing the primary race, and she was supposed to be inevitable candidate.
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:56 pmMOONBAT Says:
Not really. During his 8 years spending went up almost 30% while tax revenues went up 85%. So the only reason for the surplus was that the government took in money faster than it could spend it. Smartest? I doubt that. Slickest? Most definitely.
MOONBAT Says:
For the record I don’t live in a trailer nor do I play musical beds and its been literally years since I’ve been to church on any day of the week. I also didn’t say that I thought his presidency was funny. I said he gave comedians tons of material. Not the same thing. I think his presidency was a disgrace. He basically got caught with his pants down, got a bj from an intern, did things with cigars, and then he had the gall to say with a straight face that he did not have sex with her. Technically, I guess he didn’t. But if it had been anyone else I’m sure it would have been grounds for divorce. And your opinion is that its all okay because the rest of the world says it is.
Hey, I know our current president is less than perfect but Bill was no great find either.
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:57 pmKool G,
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:57 pmD. J. Trahan is a golfer on the PGa tour since 2003.
She’ll get rid of Free Trade, raise taxes on the rich and force companies to raises our wages. It will be like the 90’s again!
I don’t understand. Please explain.
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:58 pmCodeZombie,
When Clinton was President wages went up and everyone had money. He made sure we got good raises. He also kept oil low so we can have money in our pockets. Bush has freezed wages and raise the price of oil.
Hillary will look out for us and lower the Gas prices. She cares.
barfly,
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:02 amBill Clinton made companies raise wages in the 90’s. That why we all had money in our pocket. Hillary will do the same.
Bill Clinton made companies raise wages in the 90’s.
Oh, really?
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:04 ambarfly,
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:07 amYes he did. He called up the CEO’s and made sure the companies shared the profits with the employes. Bush doesn’t. He makes sure wages are low. Hillary when in office will do the same as Bill and force the oil companies to lower gas to $1.29 a gallon. MOONBAT can back me on this.
Clinton fought to raise the minimum wage, which raised everyone’s wages.
He didn’t “call up CEOs” or force companies to raise wages in any other way. Raising minimum wage — that’s how it’s done.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:11 amYes he did. He called up the CEO’s and made sure the companies shared the profits with the employes.
Ha,ha,ha,heh,heh,heh,heh,snerk, snort,hack,hack,hack…
cough! cough!
Stop it! You’re slaying me! cough! cough! I can’t breathe!!!
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:12 amlol its rigged. duh. the question is, what to do now.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:15 amvordabois,
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:15 amRaising the Mininmum wage didn’t raise every one’s wages. Clinton called the CEO’s and told them that if they didn’t give everyone good wages, he would raise their taxes. They complied. The Minimum wage has nothing to do with Salaries for White Collar workers. Clinton made sure we all benefitted from the Stock Market boom. The Companies had no choice, it was raise our salaries or their taxes went up.
Hillary will do the same and lower the gas price to $1.29.
Y’all play with Krack G if you want. TP scraped the bottom of the troll barrel for that one.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:18 amjw307505,
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:19 amThere’s nothing you can do. Hillary will win and Prosperity will return to America. When she gets in office our wages will go up and she’ll lower oil prices.
And about the oil… You’ll hear a whole lotta economists tell you all sorts of reasons for why the price of oil is so high. No one really can say much about that with any certainty than “the markets caused it,” and “that’s just the way it is.”
Now, I don’t know about all that “we invaded to take their oil” stuff. But what I DO know is that before Bush’s war, we were paying less than half what we are paying now. And, currently, the oil companies are making more profit than they ever have.
Take their oil? Nah. It just gave the market the jolt it needed to get Bush’s buddies the money they wanted.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:21 amZooey,
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:21 amWhy do you hate Hillary? She cares about us working people and will give us Healthcare and good jobs. Are you against this?
vordabois,
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:22 amHillary will lower the price of oil to $20 a barrel.
And Hillary wil rewduce the volumn of a barrel to one liter.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:26 amKool G -
How?
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:27 amvolumn s/b volume!
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:28 amAnd - rewduce s/b reduce.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:30 amvordabois,
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:30 amBy making the price $20 a barrel like her husband did. The President sets the price of oil and creates jobs. Bill Clinton made companies hire and pay good wages. Bush makes companies lower wages and export jobs. I want the 90’s back so I voted for Hillary!
Who’s the new Hillary ‘droid? (robotic voice) “Hillary will force companies to raise our wages and lower gas to $1.29.” “Resistance is Futile.” “Danger, Will Robinson.”
Jeez, Kook G, get some new talking points, and cut with the “why do you hate Hillary?” crap. Freaking trolls!
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:32 amWaltTheMan Says:
And Hillary wil rewduce the volumn of a barrel to one liter.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:26 am
And then she’ll turn water into wine.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:34 amJane E. Schneider,
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:36 amWhen Bill was president he made companies raise our wages and kept oil prices low. Look at the stats.
Kool G,
Oil is a global market. We pay $100 a barrel, and so does China. Simply calling the oil companies and telling them to lower prices will not work.
Though I’m not one to be overly demeaning, your arguments make you look like a sock-puppet for OBAMA more than anything else. By misrepresenting the problems in such a simplistic way, anyone who’s educated easily dismisses you as a kook.
If you can provide any sort of hard proof that what you SAY occurred did indeed occur, then you might convince people. Unfortunately, I’ve never seen anyone — even the greatest Hillary supporters — make such extravagant claims.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:39 amYea, BILLARY Clinton survives another day, but she is merely postponing her eventual political demise!
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:47 am> that comment is gone and apparently
> has been reported to the FBI!!
great to hear. trolling is one thing, making death/violence threats is another beast altogether. after some of the psychoticness thats been going on around here recently, i’m planning on asking some friends at the local DA’s office what, if anything, can be done about people who think they can get away with making terroristic threats online because of the anonyminity of the internet.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:50 amvordabois,
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:53 amI’m stating facts. Hillary will make the economy boom and wages rise!
Chocolate Jesus Says:
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:50 am
I’d be interested in what you find out, CJ. It’s a whole new frontier, and I would bet the law has not caught up.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:58 am>I’d be interested in what you find out, CJ.
I’ll let you know next time i go get dinner with one of them….my guess would be that legally, making a threat of violence online is no different that writing it on a piece of paper or stating it verbally, except for the question or jurisdiction and other things id just as soon not bring up publicly, so as to not give the lunatic loosers any ideas about evading any traps that might be set for them..
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:12 amI prefer Obama, but I’d vote for a pile of dog crap before I’d vote for McMorewar.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:19 amHillary will make the economy boom and wages rise!
She’ll make the stock market rise when she funnels health care dollars to Big Pharma and Insurance companies. Hillary knows who butters her bread.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:30 amKool G Says:
vordabois,
I’m stating facts. Hillary will make the economy boom and wages rise!
You’re stating lies and wishes. You must be 8 years old. What an idiot.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:51 amWith regards to “civil behavior’s” comment about Scaife. Would you care to explain how Obama can be the great “uniter” that he pretends to be yet you can’t accept that Hillary and long-time enemy Richard Scaife made amends to a degree?
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:21 amYou Obamabots cannot have it both ways. Just like how so many of you conveniently forget that Obama not only endorsed Lieberman in the 2006 Democratic primary, but he also SPOKE AT A BENEFIT. Hillary is the only one who caught flack for her pre-primary endorsement of Lieberman, even though she was among the first to endorse the actual Democratic nominee, Lamont. And how Ned Lamont could so easily forget that when he decided to endorse Obama proves that Obama is NOT the “outsider” he pretends. Obama is every bit a politician (and a CHICAGO politician at that).
I want all you pathetic Obamabots to remember this little fact: OBAMA WASN’T THERE TO VOTE ON THE AUTHORIZATION FOR WAR, BUT ONE OF HIS ENDORSERS–JOHN KERRY–WAS. And we ALL remember how Kerry was turned into a “flip-flopper” for his “for the war before he was against it”. Since Obama entered the Senate, his voting record nearly mirrors Hillary’s record on all foreign affairs and war-related issues. Also, Obama has been quoted on several occasions as being somewhat less emphatic on the war than he currently claims. At one point, he said that Dubya’s handling of the war was in line with how he would handle it. At another point, he said that he’s not sure that he would’ve voted against the war if he’d had the same intelligence reports that the other senators were given. Certainly sounds pretty wishy-washy to me. (Just like his quote on Larry King in 2006 that he wouldn’t seek the Democratic nomination in 2008 because, as he said, he didn’t have the experience.)
One more point: Just how many US troops have come home thanks to Obama’s Senate work? He talks big, but he hasn’t delivered on that.
And just to bring this back around to my initial comment, if the Obamabots can’t handle Hillary and Scaife making nice, what’s it going to be like when a President Obama has to make deals with the Republicans in the Senate (to assume that the Dems will get a solid 60+ seat majority in the Senate is sheer fallacy) in order to get any of his programs passed?
As to the primary itself, I noticed a few comments (early in the thread–I stopped reading after about 40 or so) concerning the projections. Someone thought that the networks had decided to quit making early projections. I think the networks have decided to do that only for national elections (in which polls may still be open in some parts of the country; Florida may need to be a major exception as a fairly good-sized largely conservative/Republican-leaning chunk of the state is in the Central time zone). The general consensus is ALL elections is that NO results can be reported before all the polls in a given state have closed. I believe exit polling can still be announced before polls closed if the results are reported as “unofficial” and are not used to imply final results. The exit polling should also not be used to make any projections on who’s expected to win without a disclaimer. The biggest problem with exit polls in general is their complete lack of scientific basis. Polls should reflect a sample of the population as a whole while polling precincts in many places tend to be skewed in terms of age, race or gender. Florida has a lot of cities that are designed for an older (55+) population with fewer younger people (and, an overwhelming percentage of these older people tend to be white), and there are whole ethnic enclaves in Miami alone (Cuban-American, African-American, Haitians) in which one polling place may be completely unrepresentative of the state (as I mentioned, the Florida Panhandle–from Tallahassee west to Pensacola–skews very conservative and is very heavily white, except in the major cities; Tallahassee, Panama City and P’cola, in general are more liberal than the rest of the Panhandle, but P’cola and Panama City also have large military connections which minimize the level of liberal voters, and all three cities have higher concentrations of non-white voters than the more rural areas but really not nearly enough to offset the general trend to GOP presidential candidates).
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:42 amObama fan here, though I’d vote for Hillary, too.
I just hope that when one of the two gets the nomination, disaffected Democrats will come to their senses and realize that there are far more similarities between the two than the media decides to report.
April 23rd, 2008 at 3:52 amOverall, I think this is healthy for whoever becomes the candidate. They will be more exposed; their staff will be able to react to the opposition with more force and with precise actions. I think a convention that actually does something may draw great interest especially during this nightmare economy and terrible war. So, I don’t think this is necessarily the Good News that the GOP thinks it is. It may just be what is necessary to propel either a woman or a person who is a blend of colors into the Presidency.
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:10 amMy fellow pennsylvanians MAKE ME SICK!
April 23rd, 2008 at 8:28 amSorry, but Hilary is sooo crossing the line with her blatant Repubican-esqe attacks on Obama. I’m so angry that I could easily vote for McCain just to spite her.
April 23rd, 2008 at 8:35 ami was reading an opinion piece in my local paper this morning…
about the huffpo blogger, mayhill fowler, who “broke” the obama “bitter” story…
this factoid stuck out for me:
“… Fowler has been an open Obama supporter, contributing $2,300 to his campaign. She also gave $100 to the presidential efforts of Hillary Clinton and $500 to a fellow Tennesseean, former GOP candidate Fred Thompson.“
doesn’t pass the smell test… sorry…
if nothing else, NO one, i don’t care if it IS a “fellow Tennesseean”, who would give $500 to fred thompson would also give $2300 to OBAMA… and only $100 to hillary… that $2300 is probably a lie…
just like those who say they will vote for john mcMOREWARS (i like that, jb) if
April 23rd, 2008 at 9:21 amtheir particular dem candidate isn’t nominated… doesn’t make a bit of sense…
stop the lies…
Everyone needs to remember Dick Scaife of PENNSYLVANIA just came out two days ago in suppport of Hillary and she graciously accepted.
Rush Limbaugh had republicans registering as Democrats for a day in order for them to vote for Hillary.
Wake up folks…….these criminals are not about to give up the very “WHITE” house.
AS for yourselves.
Your choice is Empire or Earth Community.
Join the bandana revolution and identify yourself as supporting Earth Community. The last thing the Imperialists want is for us to see how many of “us” are opposed to their Empire.
Tie it on your bike, your bag, or your neck but tie it on and wear one everyday until we can start counting how many of us there are.
April 23rd, 2008 at 9:30 amPersonally I found that this race was rather close. Seriously anyone in PA shouldn’t feel too upset.
Final results from the PA Primary’s homepage:
CLINTON, HILLARY (DEM)
1,237,696 54.3% (Really rounded to 54)
OBAMA, BARACK (DEM)
1,043,174 45.7% (Really rounded to 46)
Clinton wins by only 8.6 - really close race. A few weeks ago Clinton was assured to win the PA Primary with double digits, but the recent race shows that even that assured win was knocked over, and up in the air. And now that it is over, I can safely turn off my tv and ignore the infighting knowing that frankly the nomination is not going to be ‘thrown’ by super delegates. Clinton and Obama know the math, and sure Clinton is still thumping this win as ‘major’ but it’s really over for her. Not saying that this will hurt a lot of individuals feelings when she finally has to bow out (unless the superdelegates swing the vote towards her - highly unlikely), there has been so many democrats voting that in the long run, once this horribly long stage is over - the white house should be winnable for the Democrats.
April 23rd, 2008 at 10:29 amShadKahn, that still means Hillary has more Americans that have voted for her than Obama at this point. Now I just with the Obama people would let democracy work and STFU?
http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=7265
The same people that whined that Gore won the popular vote are now facing the reality that Hillary so far has won the popular vote. When will they say Obama should now quit? Oh right, they won’t… Then can the please go inform their fellow hopium addict that this is a ‘close’ election, and their whining is turning off the ‘majority’ of democrats that voted for Hillary?
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:22 pmTheRadicalRightisRadicallyWrong Says:
My fellow pennsylvanians MAKE ME SICK!
Not NEARLY as SICK as the HOPIUM ADDICTS make the rest of us feel! Stop whining, and stop trashing other people for exercising their constitutional rights? Will you?
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:23 pmRepublicans hate facts,
you need to ask yourself one big question.
Why did one of the richest republican fat cats who singlehandedly did a great job of dragging her husband and her name through the meat grinder decide to back Hillary for president?
Let me give you a hint. They own her.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:26 pmWow, TP finally decides to pay attention to the race, when they think that it’s in Hillary’s favor. Nice….
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:29 pmrepublicans hate facts Says:
ShadKahn, that still means Hillary has more Americans that have voted for her than Obama at this point. Now I just with the Obama people would let democracy work and STFU?
Sorry, RHF, the only way that can happen is if we count MI (where Obama was not on the ballot) and FL. Then you will also have to ignore all the caucus states. I read recently that if the caucus states were awarded popular votes based on the polls and past voting patterns, that Obama would be over a million votes ahead of Clinton in the popular vote.
So RHF, why don’t the caucus states count? Why should the people in those states be ignored?
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:32 pmJosephW Says:
With regards to “civil behavior’s” comment about Scaife. Would you care to explain how Obama can be the great “uniter” that he pretends to be yet you can’t accept that Hillary and long-time enemy Richard Scaife made amends to a degree?
Could it be because they didn’t “make amends”. All that happened is that Scaife threw his support to Hillary in the hopes that she can beat Obama. It’s the same reason why so many Republicans re-registered as Democrats so they could vote for Hillary. None of them are doing this because they like Hillary. They are all doing it because they want her to be the candidate. They are scared sh|tless of running against Obama. They know they can beat Hillary.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:36 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
republicans hate facts Says:
ShadKahn, that still means Hillary has more Americans that have voted for her than Obama at this point. Now I just with the Obama people would let democracy work and STFU?
Sorry, RHF, the only way that can happen is if we count MI (where Obama was not on the ballot) and FL. Then you will also have to ignore all the caucus states. I read recently that if the caucus states were awarded popular votes based on the polls and past voting patterns, that Obama would be over a million votes ahead of Clinton in the popular vote.
So RHF, why don’t the caucus states count? Why should the people in those states be ignored?
We’re talking people that actually voted, including caucuses. And as Texas has shown, those don’t reflect the will of the voters, only how loud and obnoxious the hopium addicts are…
The fact that Obama wasn’t on the ballot, is a reflection of his poor judgment and doesn’t change the fact that more people have voted for Hillary. So much for the ‘blowout’ that the Hopium radicals claim.
Oh and Zooey, I noticed your snarky comments on the zoo, funny how a nutjob that sees CONSPIRACY THEORIES like Hillary belonging to THE FAMILY is LEGITIMATE while calling others A NUTJOB! Get over yourself you hateful, ignorant b**ch. If you were half as smart or capable as you think, you wouldn’t be such a bitter (yes we ALL KNOW that the MOST BITTER PEOPLE are the HOPIUM ADDICTS not the POOR FOLKS IN PENN), lonely old dried up shrew…
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:20 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
JosephW Says:
With regards to “civil behavior’s” comment about Scaife. Would you care to explain how Obama can be the great “uniter” that he pretends to be yet you can’t accept that Hillary and long-time enemy Richard Scaife made amends to a degree?
Could it be because they didn’t “make amends”. All that happened is that Scaife threw his support to Hillary in the hopes that she can beat Obama. It’s the same reason why so many Republicans re-registered as Democrats so they could vote for Hillary. None of them are doing this because they like Hillary. They are all doing it because they want her to be the candidate. They are scared sh|tless of running against Obama. They know they can beat Hillary.
Could it be that Hopium addicts are now even more insane and extremist than the Republicans they’ve been fighting for the last 8 years (or longer?). BAHAHA, scared sh*tless of running against OSAMA? I knew a few Republicans, and Hillary scares them EVEN MORE than she SCARES YOU, you ignorant atheist hating POS!
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:22 pmcivil behavior Says:
Republicans hate facts,
you need to ask yourself one big question.
Why did one of the richest republican fat cats who singlehandedly did a great job of dragging her husband and her name through the meat grinder decide to back Hillary for president?
Let me give you a hint. They own her.
ROTFL, that comment is as STUPID as the Zoo b**ch’s claim that she’s a member of THE FAMILY! You CONSPIRACY NUTS CRACK ME UP! Yeah, the VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY JUST LOVES HILLARY!! I’m so saddened at how RIDICULOUS the OBAMA HEADS have become! You’re HIS WORST ENEMY - you realize that RIGHT?
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:25 pm