Hagee Says Hurricane Katrina Struck New Orleans Because It Was ‘Planning A Sinful’ ‘Homosexual Rally’
Hagee Says Hurricane Katrina Struck New Orleans Because It Was ‘Planning A Sinful’ ‘Homosexual Rally’
On September 18, 2006, Pastor John Hagee — whose endorsement Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) said this past Sunday he was “glad to have” — told NPR’s Terry Gross that “Hurricane Katrina was, in fact, the judgment of God against the city of New Orleans.” “New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God,” Hagee said, because “there was to be a homosexual parade there on the Monday that the Katrina came.”
On his radio show yesterday, right-wing talker Dennis Prager asked Hagee to respond to “the various charges made against him” in a fact sheet put out by the Democratic National Committee. Asked about his comments on Hurricane Katrina, Hagee said “the topic of that day was cursing and blessing”:
HAGEE: Yes. The topic of that day was cursing and blessing. … What happened in New Orleans looked like the curse of God, in time if New Orleans recovers and becomes the pristine city it can become it may in time be called a blessing. But at this time it’s called a curse.
Prager followed up by asking if all natural disasters are a result of “the divine hand” and if there is “any natural disaster that is not the result of sin?” Hagee responded by saying “it’s a result of God’s permissible will” and “that there was going to be a massive homosexual rally there the following Monday,” which he said “was sin”:
PRAGER: Right, but in the case, did NPR get, is this quote correct though that in the case of New Orleans you do feel it was sin?
HAGEE: In the case of New Orleans, their plan to have that homosexual rally was sin. But it never happened. The rally never happened.
PRAGER: No, I understand.
HAGEE: It was scheduled that Monday.
PRAGER: No, I’m only trying to understand that in the case of New Orleans, you do feel that God’s hand was in it because of a sinful city?
HAGEE: That it was a city that was planning a sinful conduct, yes.
Unconvinced by Hagee’s explanation, Prager said “frankly” that critics “can get you” for those comments “because people don’t like to hear that sort of thing.”
Listen here:
In February, after working hard to gain Hagee’s endorsement, McCain said he was “very honored” to receive it. Since then, he has both “repudiate[d]” and defended Hagee’s anti-Catholic and “anti-anything” remarks. But as Think Progress has noted, McCain has never specifically commented on Hagee’s offensive beliefs about Hurricane Katrina or his anti-gay comments.
Given the fact that McCain will be in New Orleans tomorrow, will reporters ask whether he agrees with Hagee’s belief that the devastated city was cursed because of a gay pride parade? We’ll be watching.
Transcript:
PRAGER: Now, they have you on Hurricane Katrina, quote, from NPR two double-o six: “All hurricanes are acts of God because God controls the heavens. I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God and they were recipients of the judgment of God for that.” Go ahead.HAGEE: Yes. The topic of that day was cursing and blessing. Moses taught in the book of Deuteronomy that everything in life is either a blessing or a curse. There are days that things happen that at the time look like a curse. In the passing of time, they may become what appears to be a blessing. An illustration is Joseph, when he was sold into slavery it looked like a curse, it looked like the worse day of his life. When his brothers came into Egypt looking for food, what looked like a bad day 13 years before turned out to be a blessed day. What happened in New Orleans looked like the curse of God, in time if New Orleans recovers and becomes the pristine city it can become it may in time be called a blessing. But at this time it’s called a curse.
PRAGER: Right, but what you were saying and, I want to just make it clear that there is a divine hand in these natural acts and you see the divine hand in the hurricane that hit New Orleans.
HAGEE: If God is almighty and God is all powerful, God controls everything. If God does not control everything, he is not God. So the answer of that is yes.
PRAGER: Right. The only question, and this is not a challenge as much as my own theological question to that, is this is really Dennis speaking, not you know, not some official questioner. But if that’s the case so that would hold true for the earthquake and the tsunami, the earthquake in southern California, the tsunami that hit Indonesia. Is that, so is there any natural disaster that is not the result of sin?
HAGEE: Well, I’m not saying it’s a result of sin, I’m saying it’s a result of God’s permissible will. You cannot say that everything on the Earth that happens is sin. It was carried in a newspaper that there was going to be a massive homosexual rally there the following Monday. Ah, but and I believe that homosexual marriage is sin and I believe that it’s an abomination because Moses said it was. But it is wrong to say that every natural disaster is the result of sin. It is a result of God’s permissive will, but who no man on Earth knows the mind of God…
PRAGER: Right, but in the case, did NPR get, is this quote correct though that in the case of New Orleans you do feel it was sin?
HAGEE: In the case of New Orleans, their plan to have that homosexual rally was sin. But it never happened. The rally never happened.
PRAGER: No, I understand.
HAGEE: It was scheduled that Monday.
PRAGER: No, I’m only trying to understand that in the case of New Orleans, you do feel that God’s hand was in it because of a sinful city?
HAGEE: That it was a city that was planning a sinful conduct, yes.
PRAGER: Ok, so that is the only I think, frankly, it’s the only one they can get you on because people don’t like to hear that sort of thing. But even so, I think that, I’ve always given religious people leeway, religious leaders on saying that we ourselves have sinned, and God has his own judgments. I mean the prophets used to do that, so that’s you know, that’s up to anybody to interpret the way they want. I mean, when the left says that we sin against the environment and we end up getting x or y, nobody says that that’s illegitimate.
HAGEE: Well, I know that in our society, that is what I call politically correct, no one likes to hear that there is a God who has the power to correct man for his behavior that does not fall within the parameters of the word of God. That’s why secular humanists hate the bible because it gives a definite standard of right and wrong. There’s light and darkness, there’s wheat and pears, there’s sheep and goats. You can’t be all things to all people. You either do live by the word of God or you don’t live by the word of God. And there’s nothing in between. And…and our secular permissive society, that’s just a hateful idea.
PRAGER: Alright, I’m going to let you go, but…and I’m going to take calls that are coming in on this.
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It's a match made in... um.. er.. well they do go together so nicely.
Another Jerry Falwell wind bag full of hate.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:44 amLet's ask John Sidney McCain III about this. Does he or doesn't he agree with the pastor whose endorsement he sought, and appreciates?
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:45 amThen why didn't it strike the "gay" neighborhoods the hardest?
Here we go again.
Countdown to Daryll....3, 2, 1...
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:46 amThe media will not care. They view McCain as a needle in a Hageestack.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:47 amfrom above:
'Given the fact that McCain will be in New Orleans tomorrow, will reporters ask whether he agrees with Hagee belief that the devastated city was cursed because of a gay pride parade? We’ll be watching.'
Even if a reporter asks about it, McCain will probably just laugh it off, there won't be any follow-up questions and that'll be that!
Except that now you've probably summoned Parodyll...
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:47 amWhy doesn't God strike down EVERY gay parade? Why strike down poor families instead?
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:48 amIf God hates homosexuals, why did He let Jeff Gannon (R) in the White House? Why did He let Cheney (R) and Alan Keyes (R) breed gay children? Why did He let Craig (R) pick up men in airport restrooms?
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:48 amWell, if we are to believe this nut case why hasen't his god struck down all the republican, closeted gay's and pedafile's.? Crap on a crutch, these bible thumper's are pure crazy..They are not christian's, just lunatick business men in a BIG BUSINESS selling hate and fear...Blessings
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:49 am“New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God,” Hagee said, because “there was to be a homosexual parade there on the Monday that the Katrina came.”
He can't be wrong....he got his information about the Katrina on the google.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:49 amDaryll Says:
Pastor Hagee is right. What ever you sow, you will reap.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:47 am
Yes Daryll, Pator Hagee will reap the consequences of his hatred -- and so will you.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:49 amI better warn my daughter. The next the hurricane is likely to hit Jacksonville.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:51 amThat fat puss bag oughta be called Pastor Hoagie.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:51 amDaryll is wrong. What ever he poops, he eats.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:52 amI just love how morality can be so conveniently modified to suit your own beliefs.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:52 amEvery time I have premarital sex with my girlfriend we both experience a lot of satisfaction.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:53 amZooey, you sure called that one on Daryll. Exactly three minutes.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:55 amZooey Says
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:46 am
Then why didn’t it strike the “gay” neighborhoods the hardest?
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And why didn't it strike San Francisco instead of New Orleans? SF probably has more "gay" events than any other major city in the country.
Hagee is just like all the rest of those who exploit religion to justify their bigotry. They will take any natural disaster and twist it to fit their agenda, knowing that their faithful will gobble it up.
Everybody knows that if God really wanted to smite sinners in the United States, he'd probably start with Washington DC.
The real question is if McCain will repudiate Hagee's anti-gay remarks. My guess is no.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:55 amPeople of faith, nor their faith, should be tolerated. THIS is what we get for tolerating them . . . roaches and knuckle-draggers all.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:55 amDaryll Says:
Gay pride doesn’t exist. There is no satisfaction in committing sin.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:51 am
You're just not doing it right.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:55 amDr. Matt, you S I N N E R!
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:56 amIgnoranceIsNotBliss Says:
Zooey, you sure called that one on Daryll. Exactly three minutes.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:55 am
Actually, it was one minute. :-) I'm just that good. Heh.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:57 amDaryll, you are going to have one massive crisis of faith and/or significant self-loathing if, God forbid, your wife gets breast cancer or you have a child that is born with a physical deformity.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:58 amSomeone here has that great list of all the republican sinner's..LOL.....Can we post it again please....Pretty please...Before the little D pollutes the entire thread with bible quote's and evil crap on how wonderful his mcshame is, you all know, adultry, divorced, womanizing, warmonging...But it's O,K, if your on the reich..Blessings
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:58 amDaryll Says:
How can you be satisfied with committing a sinful act, when a harsh consequence exist (hell).
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:58 am
Ohhh, it hurts so good, Daryll.
BTW, there is no hell, you brainwashed sap.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:00 pmDaryll, you should well understand how you can be satisfied with committing a sinful act. You show up at TP regularly with your self-idolotry, judging and condemning those whose religious views are different from yours. And you seem very satisfied with this sinful act.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:03 pmPatrioticLiberalChristian Says:
Daryll, you are going to have one massive crisis of faith and/or significant self-loathing if, God forbid, your wife gets breast cancer or you have a child that is born with a physical deformity.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:58 am
I won't wish any misfortune on the people around Daryll, but nobody stays "lucky" throughout their entire life. I would certainly feel sorry for any "less than perfect" child that arrives in the Daryll household.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:05 pmDaryll Says:
I would never doubt my trust and faith in God. I would consider these circumstances as spiritual tests, which can be conquered by relying on Jesus. Man will fail you, but God never fails!!! I can do all things through Christ, which strengthens me.
It's too bad Christ can't make you smart, Daryll.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:05 pmPatrioticLiberalChristian Says:
Daryll, you should well understand how you can be satisfied with committing a sinful act. You show up at TP regularly with your self-idolotry, judging and condemning those whose religious views are different from yours. And you seem very satisfied with this sinful act.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:03 pm
SSSSSSNAP!!!
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:05 pmZooey Says:
You’re just not doing it right.
Hahahaha...Reminds me of that Woody Allen movie. When his shrink asks him if he thinks sex is dirty, he replied: Only if it's done right :)~
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:06 pmI would consider these circumstances as spiritual tests, which can be conquered by relying on Jesus.
Daryll, I doubt it. Your "reap what you sow" dogma will overwhelm you and/or your faith. You will consider yourself to have failed those spiritual tests or that God failed you. You have a fragile faith based on the physical world. That's why you get so hung up on the physical act of sex.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:08 pmHeh Exit Stage Left, that's what I was thinking about. :)
Did Daryll come a little too close to actually thinking? Did he run away? Daryll...?
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:09 pmDoesn't take much to summon Parodyll to a thread. Just mention gays and voila! There he is! Pavlov's dog effect.
I wonder why some people are so hung up on other people's lifestyles.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:10 pmZooey Says
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:05 pm
I would certainly feel sorry for any “less than perfect” child that arrives in the Daryll household.
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Especially if that child turns out to be gay. I wonder how Daryll would deal with that? Makes me shudder to think.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:11 pm.
So,
God Damned America?
.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:11 pmO.K., O.K., the santamonious (sp) little D is on his (pull pit) on purpose....You never answer about your parties (sin's)...What's with that.?..Doe's your bunch get a" free ride".?...LOL....Keep it to your self if your not going to answer why mcsham and all the other's are not held to the little D standard...
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:12 pmJohn McCain said he rejected Hagee's words, yet he sought and enjoys support from Hagee.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:12 pmWill the media challenge McCain with questions on this as they gave Obama? Will he be asked to remove Hagee from his campaign? Don't hold your breath -- remember IOKIYAR -- in which case, homophobia, bigotry and racism are A-OK.
Daryll,
So let me get this straight...something bad happens to you and its a test of your faith. Something bad happens to a city with a homosexual contingent and God is trying to wipe them off the face of the Earth? Have I got that right? Maybe God is just testing the strength of their homosexuality.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:13 pmAnd Hagee is just as spiritually fragile and confused as Daryll, if there was any doubt.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:13 pmmisshusseinmolly Says:
Especially if that child turns out to be gay. I wonder how Daryll would deal with that? Makes me shudder to think.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:11 pm
I would take a look at the number of young gay people who commit suicide for an indication as to how family sometimes reacts.
**cold chills**
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:14 pmWhen my daughter told me she was gay I was so relieved. For a minute there I thought she was gonna tell me she was a Republican.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:15 pmSAY A BIG "HI" TO DAVID VITTER FOR ME MKKKAIN
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:15 pmGive us this day our daily drivel.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:16 pmThank you, daryll.
Daryll
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:12 pm
Like I said -- brainwashed sap. **eyes rolling**
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:16 pmDaryll, So when John McCain had an affair he is doomed to hell?
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:17 pmWar is killing, are all the soldiers doom to hell? (there is no just war, killing is killing)
Can Daryll tell us where is heaven - is it outside of Pluto or Saturn - or just above the clouds of earth? Where is hell? Where will we sinners all be damned?
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:18 pmJeez, Biblethumpers make me sick with their sanctimonious pronouncements as self-appointed arbiters of right and wrong.
Did Jesus condemn homosexuals; prostitutes; beggars, or the poor? I think he only railed at the moneychangers in the temple -- you know, the ones who made money on the sinners.
Exit Stage Left Says:
When my daughter told me she was gay I was so relieved. For a minute there I thought she was gonna tell me she was a Republican.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Ew. Having a Republican child really would be hard to take.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:18 pmOh my my my....Daryll seems to have been raptured.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:19 pmAnd maybe when something bad happens to Darryl, God is punishing Darryl for lying about his homosexuality...
Ouch, Darryl... quite the dilemma ya got yerself there.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:21 pmHere are two links to the "straight arrow" republican moral code allstars:
http://liberalslikechrist.org/about/gopcorruption.html
http://www.republicanoffenders.com/
I pasted a couple of examples in a previous post and it triggered the "awaiting moderation" label. 'nuff said....
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:22 pmSo how come Ted Haggard, former Rep. Foley and still current Rep. Craig aren't dead from God's wrathful wrath and smiteful smiting, wot he's so famous for an' wotnot, innit?
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:23 pmGreat post's all....Bye.Bye little D....We can now go back to our sane broadcast and posting...Blessings...P.S. Lady Z that was priceless...
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:23 pmActually the eye of the Hurrican missed cut a wide swath thru quite a few states without gay parades. I do notice it hit Florida, where Limbaugh lives, first.
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2005/KATRINA_graphics.shtml
Seems to me, Hagee, GOD doesnt like greedy Mammonists.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:24 pmActually the eye of the Hurrican missed cut a wide swath thru quite a few states without gay parades. I do notice it hit Florida, where Limbaugh lives, first.
It would take a very narrow hurricane to miss his fat a$$.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:26 pmKnowing that God struck down NOLA for having a gay pride demo.
Knowing the callousness of Washington DC and the graft and cut back.
Knowing the Old Testament prophets constantly asking how you are caring for the Widows and Orphans.
Knowing the New Testament peferential option for the poor.
If I lived in DC, I think I'd start running.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:26 pmWitch1 Says:
Great post’s all….Bye.Bye little D….We can now go back to our sane broadcast and posting…Blessings…P.S. Lady Z that was priceless…
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Thanks #1. ;)
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:27 pmAs far as Darryl goes, where does he think homosexuals come from? ZOMG! Heterosexual parents! It's all that damn hetero-intergender marriage run amok! Does that mean that all the parents of homosexual people are to be smited? smitten? smote? smaid? Ah smuck it.
Heaven forfend!
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:28 pmAnd God said, "The gays are having a parade! Quick get me a hurricane and make it a big one!" God sounds like Lewis Black.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:28 pm6Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
Daryll, does this mean that you never sleep? Or don't you follow Paul's call.
9For God hath not appointed us to wrath
God wrathfully destroyed New Orleans. Christians are
supposed to strive to be like God. Therefore, shouldn't
Christians be wrathful?
epistle be read unto all the holy brethren.
So, Daryll, why are you "reading" it to us unholy heathens?
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:29 pmmary Says
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Doesn’t take much to summon Parodyll to a thread. Just mention gays and voila! There he is! Pavlov’s dog effect.
I wonder why some people are so hung up on other people’s lifestyles.
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I suspect it has to do with pre-occupation with what other people are doing in their bedrooms. People like Daryll can feel better about fantasizing about sex if they do so with some righteous indignation.
It's like the two prim and proper old ladies examining a porn rag at a newsstand.
LADY #1 (looking at magazine): Shocking!
LADY #2 (acting just as shocked): And that's nothing! Wait until you see what's on page 27!
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:30 pmI have to wonder... is Darryl the RNC's "Gay" specialist for trolling?
I mean, he's hardly ever here for any other thread... but a "gay" thread goes up, Darryl is here w/in minutes, over and over again.
Uncanny, how Darryl knows just when "teh Gay" comes up at TP, and shows up immediately.
Just asking.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:30 pmI have agree with RUCerious st #2.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:32 pmI wonder if Mr. McCain will be asked about this on his next talking head appearance.
Wow! You folks got daryll shitcanned! Amazing! Good work.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:32 pmAbsolutely TRoS, Daryll is a trolling gay specialist. He "handles" all the dirty jobs.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:33 pmhanshiro Says:
As far as Darryl goes, where does he think homosexuals come from? ZOMG! Heterosexual parents! It’s all that damn hetero-intergender marriage run amok! Does that mean that all the parents of homosexual people are to be smited? smitten? smote? smaid? Ah smuck it.
Heaven forfend!
OMG. That is one hilarious post (with at least five separate laughs). Thanks for the laughfest :)
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:33 pmWonder what the windbag will have to say when the next Southern Decadence Parade goes off without a hitch?
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:33 pmMissHMolly @#59
Exactly, I believe it's known as prurient interest?
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:34 pmBut don't forget all the great things Hagee said on the Glenn Beck Show (which no one watches).
Here's just a taste:
BECK: End of the world as we know it in five years, 10 years, 20 years?
HAGEE: I don't think we'll get past 20 years.
BECK: Putin, is he part of the biblical prophecy?
HAGEE: I believe that he's the man that's going to cause Russia to unite the Islamic nations against Israel.
BECK: I think he's done most of it already. Worst U.S. president in history?
HAGEE: Jimmy Carter.
BECK: I just want to shake your hand on that one.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:34 pmOh the fear! Every time Pastor John Hagee gets diarrhea it's Gods punishment for him lusting after young boys. Cheney's pace maker is his punishment for having a gay daughter.
Why don't we all just commit suicide so God doesn't have to keep punishing us for being Human Beings?
Hagee and these right wing extremists haven't a clue...
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:36 pmThe Republic of Stupidity Says
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:30 pm
I have to wonder… is Darryl the RNC’s “Gay” specialist for trolling?
I mean, he’s hardly ever here for any other thread… but a “gay” thread goes up, Darryl is here w/in minutes, over and over again.
Uncanny, how Darryl knows just when “teh Gay” comes up at TP, and shows up immediately.
Just asking.
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I suspect Daryll subscribes to the TP feed and only pops in whenever he's alerted to a "gay" thread. Or a religious one.
I mean -- have you ever seen him contribute to any thread that didn't have to do with one or the other?
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:37 pmI love the way televangelist and (Men of God) only talk about God's rath. These are the same type of men that have for thousands of years killed in the name of God, as justification.
Have persecuted women, from burning them on stakes, putting heavy stones on their chests (suffocation)and let's not forgot putting them underwater and tying weights to their legs.
They have caused more bloodshed and wars than anything in history, all in the name of a god. But gay men are sinful...right.... (Heavy, heavy sarcasm)
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:39 pmSinfonian Says
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Here’s just a taste:
BECK: End of the world as we know it in five years, 10 years, 20 years?
HAGEE: I don’t think we’ll get past 20 years.
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Thanks, Hagee -- now that I know I don't need my retirement fund, I think I'll go live it up...
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:40 pmI love how Prager keeps trying to get him to downplay his ridiculous statements and blame the "liberal media" for distorting his comments; Prager tries to shut him up, but Hagee keeps spouting and completely validates NPR.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:41 pmSir Bedevere: How do we KNOW this person is teh gay?
Peasant 1: He turned me into a theater-goer!
Sir Bedevere: Ah..but do not god-fearing heterosexuals ALSO enjoy overpriced sequin-bedecked tap-dancing high-volume saccharin melodrama?
Peasant 2. Well, yes, A bit You've got a point there!
Sir Bedevere: What ELSE profits from hysterical theatrics and style over substance?
Peasant 1: ummm.... Republicans?
Sir Bedever: CORRECT! And therefore....?
Peasant 1: um...Republcans...are...are gay as well?
Sir Bedevere. Precisely! Ergo...anyone?
Peasant 2: Gays are evil! Burn them! Throw them in the pond! Yeah!
Sir Bedevere: Jesus Christ! As far as I'm concerend the Plague can't come soon enough!
(I know, it doesn't make sense, but isn't that the point?)
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:43 pmmisshusseinmolly Says:
Thanks, Hagee — now that I know I don’t need my retirement fund, I think I’ll go live it up…
Yea...go live it up at the gas pump....typically there isn't much left after that trip :)~
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:45 pmA peek at the Conservative "Mind" (SIC)
"I mean the prophets used to do that, so that’s you know, that’s up to anybody to interpret the way they want. I mean, when the left says that we sin against the environment and we end up getting x or y, nobody says that that’s illegitimate."
In other words, scientific predictions and religious prophecy are equally legitimate to the 21st century conservative.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:46 pmMiss H-Molly have you ever seen him contribute to any thread that didn’t have to do with one or the other?
Contribute?? I think you have mistaken him for someone who is able to participate in a rational discussion!
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:48 pmI must say "God" is pretty selective, isn't He? It has always been thus.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:48 pmMan, oh man. I go for a walk on this absolutely beautiful, sunny spring day, come back hoping to do some Daryll of Parodyll troll whacking (patent pending), when, suddenly, as Zooey stated, he's been raptured. Dayumm!
Back on topic.
How long before the media continuously and mercilessly harps on McCain for Hagee's idiotic and homophobic comments? With Fox News round the clock breaking news ticker? How soon before McCain has to defend himself publicly regarding what someone else said?
I won't hold my breath.
By the way, I live 45 minutes from Saugatuck, Mi., known as the San Francisco of the Midwest (and also affectionately called "Sausagetuck" among the straights and gays). Was the recent 5.4 seismic activity a result of their upcoming "sins"?
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:52 pmAnd if so, man, all those cities that harbor heterosexuals are in some serious big trouble from the big man upstairs, with all that pre-marital and extra marital sex. When does Washington DC get hit?
Hagee is a dangerous God-smacked bigot.
I hope God smites HIM.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:55 pmDaryll has been raptured and ended up in troll hell where his posts have been deleted and all he can do is talk to himself. What did you do to piss god off Daryll? Don't say we didn't try to warn you!
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:58 pmOnce, several years ago, while tailgating for a U of M football game, I came across a bumper sticker with a non smiley face that stated "Mean People Suck!".
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:59 pmHow concise, how true, how eloquent in it's simplicity.
I would like to expand on it:
"Bigoted Religious Leaders Suck!" preceded by Hagee's unappealing mug.
I'll let ya'll know when I have it copyrighted!
Hey DRxJ, I saw a dead squirrel on the road today. Who do you think he's been screwing?
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:00 pmI don't really like the idea of all of Daryll's posts being raptured. He was on-topic, in his own cute little Pharisitic way. I think we need these belief systems exposed to the light of day and thoroughly debunked, ridiculed, and otherwise dealt with directly rather than being disappeared. I only flag and want posts blocked that are incidents of name-jacking, threats, clearly only derailing, and the like.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:01 pmPLC, kind of like "for amusement purposes only" sorta disclaimer?
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:04 pmOPiate,
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:05 pmEr, he's retired now. Is Hagee?
Hey DRxJ, I saw a dead squirrel on the road today. Who do you think he’s been screwing?
Chipmunks. And I'm against interspecies marriage.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:06 pmI'm still waiting for FOX News to comment. You know the friends of the candidate says a lot about the candidate. What BS this system has become. This says a lot about our country.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:07 pmSo why weren't other cities a target of God's homophobia? By Hagee's logic, I suppose if San Fran was built below sea level, located in the hurricane belt, and was protected by an inadequate levee system, they would have felt God's wrath also. That just makes God sound lazy, picking on an easy target like NO.
The last major earthquake in the bay area was almost 20 years ago, and I don't think they got the message because San Fran isn't any less gay today. If God is punishing the gays, he's doing a pretty lousy job. And isn't it just like God to take out the poor in NO along with the gays. They may not have been gay, but they sure didn't do much to stop all that gayness.
I think there's a pretty clear causal link: Gays cause hurricanes.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:07 pmThe Black church hate Gays more than anybody!
I read an article once which stated that black men who were in prison, and engaged in sex with other men, once released, did not consider themselves homosexuals. In fact, the essay concluded that "activity" among prisoners is more about power than pleasure.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:09 pmJust food for thought, Daryll. And yes, the article did refer to them as "black".
More hatemongering from the REICH WING, just more of the same from Hagee and McFlipflopper is still standing by the hate filled man of god (supposedly). So, when does GoD send his hatefilled message on Washington, D.C. and the Bushco crime family that virtually did nothing to help minorities,the poor,the homeless Veterans and eveyone else in New Orleans. Mr.Hagee does nothing for the Reich Wing but hurt the Reich and I am glad for that.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:09 pmNick ~ The midwest was hit with an unusual swarm of earthquakes recently. Could it be all the gay sex in KC? Or maybe just the BBQ sauce?
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:14 pmMan, after rereading what I posted #91, it kind of has the tone of racism to it ("the article did refer to 'them'").
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:14 pmI should further elaborate.
The article was referring to the increased HIV infections among the African American community, especially those among the lower income. It went on to compare situations (post prison) to those of other ethnicities. Thus my improper placement of "them" in the last sentence.
My sincerest apologies if I offended anyone.
Hagee also makes disparaging statements about Catholics. And yet 60% of the Democratic Catholics in PA, in an exit poll, said they would not vote for Obama. I guess that makes the PA Catholics a bunch of bigots.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:19 pmI don’t really like the idea of all of Daryll’s posts being raptured. He was on-topic, in his own cute little Pharisitic way.
OMG, you don't mean that TP finally banned Daryll? His posts were rarely on topic and never did anything but stink up the place. If this is true, praise the lord!
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:22 pmHagee knows how to work the people as he pockets millions of dollars. Now as to his faith well after 15 years of marriage to Martha, Hagee divorced her in 1975 and in less then 7 months married Diana. Hagee was gettng busy with Diana while still married to Martha but that's ok for him but sinful for others. I noticed Hagee had no problem with Senator Vitters conduct but everyone else is bad. It's all about using God's name for profit with Hagee and he's doing a great job at sucking people in. Now Teflon John could care less about Religion he just wants to vote to steal taxpayers money.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:24 pmRUCerious Says:
Nick ~ The midwest was hit with an unusual swarm of earthquakes recently. Could it be all the gay sex in KC?
Well, pre-marriage, I did date a flight attendant (then called stewardess) who resided in Overland Park, Kansas, a suburb of Kansas City. Maybe the Midwest is paying for the sins of my past?
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:28 pmMan, the stories I could tell!
And, she was a die hard Republican, to boot!!!
If that's what you get for planning a gay parade, what's God gonna do to Washington DC for its seven-year record of arrogance, indifference, and depravity?
I'd get the hell out while the getting's good.
http://newsprism.wordpress.com
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:29 pmHEY EVERYONE!! Daryll's still here bearing false witness for the Lord. YIPEE!!
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:32 pmI see all these references to "Daryll" and his comments, but I don't see any comments from Daryll.
Are his comments so abusive that they have to be deleted? I find it more satisfying when a silly conservative's comments are left alone and then refuted in a vigorous manner, than when his silly, hateful comments are simply deleted out of hand. That's the way the Malkins and Red States do it, not us.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:33 pmDaryll Says:
I’m still here witnessing for the Lord.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Looks like Daryll got booted by the Rapture Squad.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:33 pmWith proponents like Daryll "witnessing" for him, the lord is in deep trouble.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:34 pmWith preachers like Hagee, Parsley et al., the christian church is in deep trouble.
Okay, back on topic.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:35 pmHagee (Dagee) says that the wrath of Katrina was due to "planning of a gay parade".
Wow, than the citizens of Las Vegas must be in real deep trouble, what with all the "extra-marital planning" that goes on there, every single night!
Prager says in this excerpt that the Katrina/Gays statement is the only one the liberals can "get" Hagee on.
I wonder what Hagee could have possibly said about his many "Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon" statements that satisfied Prager?
Did anyone hear that part of the show or does anyone know how Hagee responded to questions about his Catholic-bashing?
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:35 pmActually Daryll of Parodyll, as a Christian, you don't have to witness for our Lord, as He can witness for Himself.
But, you knew that, right?
Right?
Shall I indulge you about my pre-marital flight attendant fling, or would you rather learn more about prison love?
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:38 pmMy money's on the latter.
#6 - Daryll Says:
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Pastor Hagee is right. What ever you sow, you will reap.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:47 am
You must realize you're going to hell for lying, Daryll.
You lied about the Bush Administration and their patently treasonous acts (as defined by Fmr. Pres. Bush) when they exposed the identity of an undercover CIA operative.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:40 pm#1 of 20 questions the media will never ask John McCain:
1. Do you agree with Pastor John Hagee that war with Iran is the fulfillment of biblical prophecy?
In February, you shared a stage with Pastor John Hagee and said you were "very proud" to have his endorsement. You also called the Reverend Rod Parsley, a man who said of Islam "America was founded, in part, with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed", your "spiritual guide." Do you believe America's mission is to destroy Islam? Do you join Pastor Hagee in believing the United States must attack Iran to fulfill the biblical prophecy of Armageddon in Israel in which 144,000 Jews will be converted to Christianity and the rest killed? Is that why you joked about "bomb bomb Iran?" If not, why will you not renounce the support of Hagee and Parsley?
For this and others questions the media won't ask Mr. Straight Talk, see:
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:40 pm- "10 Debate Questions John McCain Will Never Be Asked."
- "10 More Questions John McCain Will Never Be Asked."
And Hagee's hatefilled vitriol about teh gays applies to David Duke's neighborhood and Haley Barber's state and Ala--if you can't beat 'em, imprison em--bama how exactly?
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:41 pmpoperatzo Says
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Are his (Daryll's) comments so abusive that they have to be deleted?
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No, his comments are very rarely abusive. They are silly, often indicative of a closed mind, and usually hilarious. Many people here are convinced Daryll is actually a parodist.
I think this is the only time I have actually seen his posts removed. Most of us have too much fun with Daryll to flag him, although he can get a bit wearying at times.
My only real complaint with Daryll, as a Christian, is that somebody might take him seriously and extrapolate from his posts that all of us Christians think the way he does, which isn't true.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:46 pmHey RUC, Chicago has plenty of gay sex too! But I suspect it's all the Irish getting sauced on St. Patrick's Day when everybody in Chicago is Irish.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:47 pm#108 - Daryll Says:
I’m still here witnessing for the Lord.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:49 pmI’m still here witnessing for the Lord.
Yeah, right, like Alfred E. Neumann is studying for the bar exam.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:51 pmmissmolly says: My only real complaint with Daryll, as a Christian, is that somebody might take him seriously and extrapolate from his posts that all of us Christians think the way he does, which isn’t true.
This is one reason I feel an obligation to respond to him and why I don't want to see his posts deleted from the record of the debate.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:51 pmDaryll didn't get deleted by TP he got raptured by THE LORD. Nothing we can do about it here. How's that special place in hell you reserved for yourself Daryll you sanctimonious bobblehead?
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:52 pmShayne, oh, NOW I've got it. Daryll just reaped what he sowed from God.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:55 pmThe only way the religious right like Hagee and Daryll could harm Christianity any more than they do would be if they strapped on suicide bombs. In every other way they're just as crazy as Islamic fundamentalists.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:56 pmWe can only hope PLC.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:57 pmDaryll Says:
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from above:
‘Given the fact that McCain will be in New Orleans tomorrow, will reporters ask whether he agrees with Hagee belief that the devastated city was cursed because of a gay pride parade? We’ll be watching.’
Even if a reporter asks about it, McCain will probably just laugh it off, there won’t be any follow-up questions and that’ll be that!
Except that now you’ve probably summoned Parodyll…
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:47 am Recommend (0) | Report Abuse
Gay pride doesn’t exist. There is no satisfaction in committing sin.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:51 am
What a crock of shit ; do not ever attempt to speak for me again , you backwards-ass retarded chump.
I have never been married to any of the females I have slept with , and there is no way in fo(king hell I'm gonna' claim there was no "satisfaction" ever involved.
Shut your shit-laden mouth , jackass ; you don't speak for me.........
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:58 pmbitblt doesn’t agree with Pastor Hagee that Katrina struck NOLA because of the Southern Decadence Festival. But this is just an opinion much like Pastor Hagee’s opinion.
bitblt does believe that God has used natural events in the past to make his point.
bitblt does believe that men having sex with men in the streets of an American city make the nation not worth preserving.
This is permitted to happen during the Festival.
bitblt doesn’t believe this hurricane was the work of God - because - you can still find NOLA with GPS.
God previous work in this area didn’t leave much to find.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:58 pmOh dearie dearie.
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:03 pmDRxJ is happy that Daryll of Parodyll's posts have been reinstated.
DRxJ is not happy that, unfortunately, the consequence of this action is letting nonsensical posters appear, such as bitblt.
DRxJ is experiencing a quagmire (gigitty, gigitty, git), and does not know what to do.
DRxJ should probably get back to work.
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bitblt doesn’t agree with Pastor Hagee that Katrina struck NOLA because of the Southern Decadence Festival. But this is just an opinion much like Pastor Hagee’s opinion.
bitblt does believe that God has used natural events in the past to make his point.
bitblt does believe that men having sex with men in the streets of an American city make the nation not worth preserving.
This is permitted to happen during the Festival.
bitblt doesn’t believe this hurricane was the work of God - because - you can still find NOLA with GPS.
God previous work in this area didn’t leave much to find.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:58 pm
How come bitblt is okay with lauding and supporting an administration that has men having sex with men in the White House though ?
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:03 pmFreedom Rebel Says:
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April 23rd, 2008 at 12:39 pm
I love the way televangelist and (Men of God) only talk about God’s rath. These are the same type of men that have for thousands of years killed in the name of God, as justification.
This comparison seems a little off to bitblt since commercial television has only been around for a little over sixty years.
Further, often the deaths you attribute to “…in the name of God…” where actually due to something else.
Take the movie “Kingdom of Heaven” as an example. In this movie, the phrase “God wills it!” is used as justification for political power plays including starting wars.
Much of that sort of manipulation went away after Bibles became common.
Using the faith of believers to manipulate them still happens. It doesn’t means there is something wrong with Christianity.
BTW, since you didn’t mention a better substitute for faith, bitblt will assume you don’t have one. You may want to consider that it’s as good as it can get with the influence of Christianity. After all, there’s no reason to assume that the last 20 century would magically improve if Christianity had been left out.
In addition, bitblt, being an Evangelical, doesn’t know a single “Man of God” who talks exclusively about God’s wrath. Perhaps, your take-a-way from television evangelists is just the part about wrath. This would seem plausible since you don’t suggest that you believe in Christ, and if this is the case – you don’t believe in Christ, the wrath of God would be the part of the story with which you may find an interest.
There is a Biblical account of several cities being destroyed because of their extreme wickedness – homosexuality. This account is in Genesis 19.
Isaiah remarks on this catastrophic event by making a comparison: “You parade your sin like Sodom.”
This quote would seem an apt description for the Southern Decadence Festival – at least to bitblt. This festival touts itself as a celebration of the gay lifestyle, and is estimated to be worth $100 M dollars to NOLA economy. If you’ve ever wondered why God destroyed all the inhabitants of Sodom, this estimate should give some insight into the reason that the entire city was destroyed. They were all involved and benefited from the evil.
They have caused more bloodshed and wars than anything in history, all in the name of a god. But gay men are sinful…right…. (Heavy, heavy sarcasm)
Believe the league leaders in the deaths due to ideologies category are the Communists who are officially -atheists. Their totals were racked up in only the twentieth century.
If RoeVWade gets another thirty years, the distinction of being the league leader may pass to the US which has allowed unborn to be destroyed due to an ideology - a woman expresses her individual liberty by destroying her unborn..
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:05 pmHey bitblt
Hollywood movies such as “Kingdom of Heaven” are about as accurate as Chimpy's depiction of Iraq and the economy , you moron.
Actually , the movie itself is less violent than what actually transpired in history ...............
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:08 pmThirdPersonMan is a riot. A pious riot, a grammatically hilarious pious riot.
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:09 pmBTW, since you didn’t mention a better substitute for faith, bitblt will assume you don’t have one.
Morality and spiritualism , without the burden of fraudulent religions , is far superior to your "faith".
I mean , look what it's done to you ; you believe a gang of criminals are good for the country.
You want to thank Christianity now for that ; or perhaps wait until later ?
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:11 pmMCMetal Says:
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How come bitblt is okay with lauding and supporting an administration that has men having sex with men in the White House though ?
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:03 pm
This is a very assumptive statement, McMetal. Basically, bitblt has no idea what you mean.
Believe if you check you’ll find that bitblt never mentions the administration or makes any remarks about the goodness or badness of the current contenders for office. So, the “lauding” part is completely out.
OTOH, bitblt did mail his taxes last week and that does pay the salary of the Republicans in the White House – as well as the Democrats in Congress - but he doesn’t consider that a partisan act because he plans to pay his taxes next year, too.
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:12 pmbitblt Says:
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How come bitblt is okay with lauding and supporting an administration that has men having sex with men in the White House though ?
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:03 pm
This is a very assumptive statement, McMetal. Basically, bitblt has no idea what you mean.
Believe if you check you’ll find that bitblt never mentions the administration or makes any remarks about the goodness or badness of the current contenders for office. So, the “lauding” part is completely out.
OTOH, bitblt did mail his taxes last week and that does pay the salary of the Republicans in the White House – as well as the Democrats in Congress - but he doesn’t consider that a partisan act because he plans to pay his taxes next year, too.
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Are you attempting to claim you've never given kudos to the Chimpy administration ?
Isn't lying a sin ?
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:14 pmbusybody bitblt says:
If RoeVWade gets another thirty years, the distinction of being the league leader may pass to the US which has allowed unborn to be destroyed due to an ideology - a woman expresses her individual liberty by destroying her unborn..
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Off topic -- AGAIN. **eyes rolling**
This is a health and family issue, moron. Most women who have abortions are women who already have children. Women need to take care of the children they have, and you need to mind your own business.
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:15 pmZooey Says:
Looks like Daryll got booted by the Rapture Squad.
DRxJ Says:
Wow, than the citizens of Las Vegas must be in real deep trouble, what with all the “extra-marital planning” that goes on there, every single night!
I say we combine the two:
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:21 pmWhat happens in rapture stays in rapture :)~
OMG - I'm going to hell!!!
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:23 pmOh oh!
A group of teens planning a frank discussion to reverse the trend of
STDs.
Great. I might as well just hide in my basement right now!
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:25 pmRUC, DRxJ, Shayne - yer crackin' me up here!!
~ A
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:25 pmbitashit
I see you skedaddled instead of responding ; nice going , you Bible thumping coward......Typical Republican , aren't you ?
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:28 pmDaryll Says:
DrxJ, no whacking, I come...
How the hell can you if you're not whacking???
(major snark!)
I gotta go...
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:30 pmL. Hussein Annie Says:
RUC, DRxJ, Shayne - yer crackin’ me up here!!
~ A
I think the reason so many of us are being such smart asses is that we don't take what Hagee said as serious. We find humor in his absurdly juvenile and bigoted statements.
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:35 pmUnfortunately, there are those who take what Hagee says as truth .
Sometimes, if I couldn't laugh, I'd be crying.
This is one of those times.
Just follow the lyrics from Avenue Q - grab your dick and double click!
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:37 pmLOL...Just got back from walking the Bear and reading up on all the post's....More laught's than I've had in a week, good job progressives....
Question to little D...Wasen't one of your heroe's in your bible the guy who laid up with his daughter's in a cave to make son's? Think his name was lott....Humm look's like a whole lot of incest and contradiction's to me...What say you little D.?
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:38 pmSeriously, though...this Hagee nonsense has got to float to the top of the stupid media chain. This is too juicy to leave alone, isn't it? You got your sex, your religion, and your controversy all wrapped up in one big bright pink neon short shorts no bras bow!
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:39 pm#149 ROFLAO..Priceless.
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:40 pmLet's take a look at some of "Pastor" Hagee's statements ...
"If God is almighty and God is all powerful, God controls everything. If God does not control everything, he is not God."
So, then, if God controls everything, then He must make gay people gay ... 'cause "If God does not control everything, he is not God."
"no man on Earth knows the mind of God"
So how, then, do you know so well what God wants? Hm?
"secular humanists hate the bible because it gives a definite standard of right and wrong"
No. Secular humanists do not hate The Bible -- they just don't try to find rules for life in that document. See, that's why they're called "secular," as in "not religious." It kinda goes without saying that (by definition) anything "secular" will not rely on a non-secular document ... just sayin' ...
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:45 pmRx7 - you're using logic and critical thinking. That isn't allowed...
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:48 pmThe 'god' of these people (the old man in the sky) and their organized religion is used as a tool by the government. They also get billions of dollars, don't pay taxes, and always want a little more.
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:55 pmSeems I missed the Daryll "OMG,teh gays" blowout, before he got himself deleted...
Good.
April 23rd, 2008 at 3:01 pmmccain gets the backing that he so richly deserves. they make a purely odd couple.
April 23rd, 2008 at 3:04 pmwhy does bitblt refer to bitblt in the 3rd person?
April 23rd, 2008 at 3:10 pmHow ironic that God chose to smite all of the good XTians there, while leaving the 'gay' part of the city untouched - eh? ROTFL, XTian Conservatives are DUMB!
Hey bitblt, Daryll, if GOD is using those events to make a point, maybe the point is that gay people are his chosen ones, since they were the ones spared? Never thought of that, did you TARDS?
April 23rd, 2008 at 3:25 pmI'm disappointed Daryll went away. We were making such 'head'way...
April 23rd, 2008 at 3:27 pmI feel so neglected, little D never answer's my question's or respond's to my post's..Oh well...Time to fly off yet again....Blessings
April 23rd, 2008 at 3:39 pmMCMetal Says:
Morality and spiritualism , without the burden of fraudulent religions , is far superior to your “faith”.
I mean , look what it’s done to you ; you believe a gang of criminals are good for the country.
You want to thank Christianity now for that ; or perhaps wait until later ?
Morality and spiritualism , without the burden of fraudulent religions , is far superior to your “faith”.
Let’s start with a simple why?
Christianity says that man was created in the image of God.
If one doesn’t believe that, there’s really not much of anything better in the area of spirituality.
This simple tenant is fundamental to many of the important ideas in our culture. For instance, if man wasn’t created in the image of God, there’s absolutely no justification for human rights. This is one of the constant themes of Alabama Judge Moore.
I mean , look what it’s done to you ; you believe a gang of criminals are good for the country.
bitblt doesn’t believe he’s posted anything on TP to remotely suggest that. He’s certainly not posted anything under this thread.
You want to thank Christianity now for that ; or perhaps wait until later ?
bitblt is grateful that the government in the US is as good as it is. He also believes that the influence of Christianity makes the government as good as it is. He also believes the only way to improve the government is to increase the influence of Christianity.
McMetal didn’t mention how to increase the influence of …Morality and spiritualism….
Without belief in a transcendent God, the only way to increase anything of what you want is with guns – that is, laws with the threat of punishment.
April 23rd, 2008 at 3:51 pmDaryll Says:
Gay pride doesn’t exist. There is no satisfaction
You probably just aren't doing it right.
April 23rd, 2008 at 3:52 pmSorry, Zooey, you beat me to that one.
April 23rd, 2008 at 3:53 pmMCMetal Says:
Are you attempting to claim you’ve never given kudos to the Chimpy administration ?
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:14 pm
bitblt doesn’t remember giving kudos to the current administration, and he didn’t do it in this thread.
Does McMetal remember bitblt doing this? Perhaps McMetal could show bitblt where he did this.
Believe the extent of bitblt’s comment on the presidency would be something like, “It’s a hard job.”
One is not a Conservative Christian – like bitblt – because one supports the current administration or any particular political point of view. In bitblt’s understanding of Christianity the U.S. is a bit player, and bitblt knows the difference between his nation and his faith.
bitblt does have an interest in “…our Posterity, ” especially his own.
Please note that bitblt’s comment on Pastor Hagee was that bitblt didn’t agree with the pastor’s assessment of Katrina.
On further reflection bitblt does remember speculating about the President’s intent in the area of bringing about Armageddon. One poster said the President believed he had a obligation to cause the so called battle of Armageddon. bitblt speculated that the President could just as easily feel an obligation to try to prevent Armageddon.
This remark was not about the President. It was about trying to interpret that President’s actions.
April 23rd, 2008 at 3:54 pmSo, let me get this straight. According to our serial liar, Daryll, and his little psycho-Christian friend; If you don't hate teh gey? Jesus will kill you!
I guess his talk about love, respect, forgiveness, and acceptance was wasted on Daryll and pals. In fact, I have no doubt that Jesus, should he return today, would be nailed to another cross by sunrise tomorrow. Ironically, it's his biggest, so called, fans who would crucify the poor liberal hippie.
April 23rd, 2008 at 3:55 pmThe witch is so glad it is impossible to catch the disease the trollie's have...Blessings
April 23rd, 2008 at 3:55 pmoctamethyl Says:
why does bitblt refer to bitblt in the 3rd person?
April 23rd, 2008 at 3:10 pm
It’s a reminder that beliefs, ideas, and understandings are under discussion, not persons.
bitblt is not his handle, but apparently many posters are their handle.
April 23rd, 2008 at 3:57 pmDaryll Says:
Man will fail you,
Next time he fails you, tell him to try Viagra.
April 23rd, 2008 at 3:57 pmSome troll's are crazy, some are spookie, most are just off their med's.LOL..Blessings
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:05 pmoctamethyl Says:
why does bitblt refer to bitblt in the 3rd person?
Even though they sometimes seem as if they have consciousness, bots don't have actual identities. This one seems to have gone haywire and blew it's cover by constantly referring to itself in the third person. A technician at the RNC will soon fix this glitch.
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:09 pmpete Says:
So, let me get this straight. According to our serial liar, Daryll, and his little psycho-Christian friend; If you don’t hate teh gey? Jesus will kill you!
I guess his talk about love, respect, forgiveness, and acceptance was wasted on Daryll and pals. In fact, I have no doubt that Jesus, should he return today, would be nailed to another cross by sunrise tomorrow. Ironically, it’s his biggest, so called, fans who would crucify the poor liberal hippie.
April 23rd, 2008 at 3:55 pm
bitblt doesn’t believe most Conservative Christians(CCs) hate homosexuals. CCs tended to feel sorry for homosexuals who are widely perceived as very unhappy people.
Do you have some authority for saying Christ accepted sin? This is what bitblt reads from “his talk about love, respect, forgiveness, and acceptance.”
Your second paragraph suggests these questions:
Does an adulterer really respect the person with whom they have sex?
Can a homosexual really respect the person with whom they have sex?
The Apostle Paul says that when one commits a sexual sin he sins against his own body.
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:12 pmSo does this suggests another questions?
And let's never forget that this is the dolt that McCain embraces. McCain = Hagee = discrimination & hatred.
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:12 pmhomosexuals who are widely perceived as very unhappy people.
That's wierd, nearly all the gay friends I have are happy, healthy, educated people.
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:15 pmHmmm. I wonder why the wide perception is incorrect? Maybe it's the perception of blindered Xians./
Oh, and Saul of Tarsus was cranially damaged when struck by a bolt of lightening, so I wouldn't take anything he said seriously.
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:16 pmshoeless believes most closeted Christian(CC) homosexuals hate themselves. shoeless tends to feel sorry for closeted Christian(CC) homosexuals who are widely perceived as very unhappy people.
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:17 pmbitblt Says:
bitblt is not his handle
bitblt is not a handle. bitblt is a tool.
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:23 pmbitblt Says:
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MCMetal Says:
Morality and spiritualism , without the burden of fraudulent religions , is far superior to your “faith”.
I mean , look what it’s done to you ; you believe a gang of criminals are good for the country.
You want to thank Christianity now for that ; or perhaps wait until later ?
Morality and spiritualism , without the burden of fraudulent religions , is far superior to your “faith”.
Let’s start with a simple why?
Christianity says that man was created in the image of God.
If one doesn’t believe that, there’s really not much of anything better in the area of spirituality.
This simple tenant is fundamental to many of the important ideas in our culture. For instance, if man wasn’t created in the image of God, there’s absolutely no justification for human rights. This is one of the constant themes of Alabama Judge Moore.
It means being human and humane to each other ; "God" is not a human , regardless of your claim of what "He" looks like or that he supposedly had a "son" without having sex (what a crock of shit that is). You believe the only justification for "human rights" is an all-powerful invisible deity we resemble physically ?
Shouldn't it then be referred to as "God's rights ? It isn't ......
I mean , look what it’s done to you ; you believe a gang of criminals are good for the country.
bitblt doesn’t believe he’s posted anything on TP to remotely suggest that. He’s certainly not posted anything under this thread.
This thread isn't about the Chimpy administration ; then again , it isn't about abortion either , and you stupidly chose to chime in on that without provocation , too , bigmouth ........
You want to thank Christianity now for that ; or perhaps wait until later ?
bitblt is grateful that the government in the US is as good as it is. He also believes that the influence of Christianity makes the government as good as it is. He also believes the only way to improve the government is to increase the influence of Christianity.
The Founding Father and the Constitution disagree ; I believe I will place my trust in them over some Bible-thumping moron........
McMetal didn’t mention how to increase the influence of …Morality and spiritualism….
Without belief in a transcendent God, the only way to increase anything of what you want is with guns – that is, laws with the threat of punishment.
April 23rd, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Want the way to increase that influence ?
Keep the separation of church and state , as our Founding Fathers originally intended ...........
No more religious d-bags like yourself in elected office ; and certainly not sitting behind a bench , like Assholito and John Mr Rodgers Roberts.
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:26 pmbitblt Says:
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This simple tenant is fundamental to many of the important ideas in our culture. For instance, if man wasn’t created in the image of God, there’s absolutely no justification for human rights. This is one of the constant themes of Alabama Judge Moore.
Which explains why Conservative Christians(CCs) have always fought against Civil Rights Laws. Since God is white, those minorities were not created in the image of God, and there’s absolutely no justification for them to have rights.
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:32 pmbitblt Says:
Can a homosexual really respect the person with whom they have sex?
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:12 pm
The divorce rate in Massachusetts is less than in any state , including yours (confusion) , throughout the entire US.
And it is the only state in the US that legally allows same-sex marriage ; I guess that means yes.
If you don't believe me , why not ask a homosexual couple instead of making blanket statements that are emerging from the stupid mouth of a religious skid mark .........
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:32 pmbitblt Says:
Can a homosexual really respect the person with whom they have sex?
Next time, why don't you ask him?
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:35 pmMCMetal Says:
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It means being human and humane to each other ; “God” is not a human , regardless of your claim of what “He” looks like or that he supposedly had a “son” without having sex (what a crock of shit that is). You believe the only justification for “human rights” is an all-powerful invisible deity we resemble physically ?
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The Founding Father and the Constitution disagree ; I believe I will place my trust in them over some Bible-thumping moron……..
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April 23rd, 2008 at 4:26 pm
So you didn't like bitblt response. No surprise there.
Don't believe that it's necessary to conclude from the Bible that the resemblance is wholly, or even partially, physical. It's is bitblt's opinion that the resemblance is one humans will recognize.
bitblt would appreciate some sort of comment on why this -
Morality and spiritualism , without the burden of fraudulent religions , is far superior to your “faith”.
is the case.
It's a wonderful day that the Creator has made. Let's rejoice and be gland in it.
Lord, grant McMetal the peace that passes understanding.
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:44 pmshoeless Says:
bitblt Says:
Can a homosexual really respect the person with whom they have sex?
Next time, why don’t you ask him?
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:35 pm
It never fails. On a topic of homosexuality, someone always has to insinuate this. Some times several someones have to do this. Puts it right back in high school for me.
BTW,
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:48 pmit’s a wonderful day that the Creator has made. Let’s rejoice and be glad in it.
Daryll wrote, "God never fails."
Well, the gay festival to which Hagee referred began in 1972.
Katrina struck in 2005, forcing cancellation of the festival but sparing gay neighborhoods.
The festival resumed in 2006 and 2007, huger than before (120,000 people).
Sheesh.
Sounds like Daryll's "god" fails all the time, pretty much 38 times out of 38.
Either it's not much of a god, or it loves gay people.
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:50 pmHere's today's history from House Resolution 888 for McMetal.
see http://www.thomas.gov search H.Res. 888
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:51 pm
Sorry, miscounted.
So far, Daryll's god has failed 36 times out of 36, with a 37th festival pending (and booming) this year.
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:52 pmI wasn't going to provide the satisfaction of a response, but, bitblt raises an interesting question.
Since I was raised free of religion I reject most definitions of "sin". Since I don't believe in deities it's impossible to "sin", ie commit a crime against a given deity. However I have a great respect for the law, and fair play, in general. I was taught to treat others with respect and that living free, in a free society, is the height of human existence.
IMO the physical expression of love, between consenting mature parties, is just about the best thing humans do. So the concept of "sexual sin" is, to me, doubly ridiculous. One might as well ask me, if there should be leash-laws for gremlins, as to make a judgment on someone else's sexual proclivities.
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:52 pmbitblt Says:
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It means being human and humane to each other ; “God” is not a human , regardless of your claim of what “He” looks like or that he supposedly had a “son” without having sex (what a crock of shit that is). You believe the only justification for “human rights” is an all-powerful invisible deity we resemble physically ?
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The Founding Father and the Constitution disagree ; I believe I will place my trust in them over some Bible-thumping moron……..
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April 23rd, 2008 at 4:26 pm
So you didn’t like bitblt response. No surprise there.
Don’t believe that it’s necessary to conclude from the Bible that the resemblance is wholly, or even partially, physical. It’s is bitblt’s opinion that the resemblance is one humans will recognize.
bitblt would appreciate some sort of comment on why this -
Because we live in the Unites States of America ; not the United States of Christianity . Your belief in a fairy tale book is strictly and simply your own , which you are allowed ; this country was founded to protect everyone's belief(s) , not impose one (1) upon everyone , which is what you are attempting/suggesting should be done.
Go start your own country on some island if you prefer that.
Morality and spiritualism , without the burden of fraudulent religions , is far superior to your “faith”.
is the case.
It’s a wonderful day that the Creator has made. Let’s rejoice and be gland in it.
Lord, grant McMetal the peace that passes understanding.
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:44 pm
Hooked On Phonics , grant bitashit some reading and comprehension ability .............
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:53 pmIn fact, the more I think of how much Daryll's god has failed, hell, I'm starting to become an atheist.
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:56 pmbitblt Says:
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Here’s today’s history from House Resolution 888 for McMetal.
see http://www.thomas.gov search H.Res. 888
Whereas in 1777, Congress, facing a National shortage of `Bibles for our schools, and families, and for the public worship of God in our churches,’ announced that they `desired to have a Bible printed under their care & by their encouragement’ and therefore ordered 20,000 copies of the Bible to be imported `into the different ports of the States of the Union’;
Whereas in 1782, Congress pursued a plan to print a Bible that would be `a neat edition of the Holy Scriptures for the use of schools’ and therefore approved the production of the first English language Bible printed in America that contained the congressional endorsement that `the United States in Congress assembled … recommend this edition of the Bible to the inhabitants of the United States’;
Whereas in 1782, Congress adopted (and has reaffirmed on numerous subsequent occasions) the National Seal with its Latin motto `Annuit Coeptis,’ meaning `God has favored our undertakings,’ along with the eye of Providence in a triangle over a pyramid, the eye and the motto `allude to the many signal interpositions of Providence in favor of the American cause’;
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:51 pm
Here's today's historical fact for you , bitashit :
House Resolution 888 was brought up on Dec 18, 2007 and
is sponsored by Rep. James Forbes [R-VA] and co-sponsored by 44 other Representatives ; none outside the horseshit GOP party.
The GOP is the party of religion and lies (which are literally one and the same , anyway) ; if you want a real "American religious week" , when are all the DEIST FESTIVALS going to begin ?
April 23rd, 2008 at 5:00 pmMCMetal Says:
bitblt would appreciate some sort of comment on why this -
Morality and spiritualism , without the burden of fraudulent religions , is far superior to your “faith”-
is the case.
Because we live in the Unites States of America ; not the United States of Christianity . Your belief in a fairy tale book is strictly and simply your own , which you are allowed ; this country was founded to protect everyone’s belief(s) , not impose one (1) upon everyone , which is what you are attempting/suggesting should be done.
Go start your own country on some island if you prefer that.
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:53 pm
What bitblt was looking for here was the authority from your remark.
If it's simply your opinion, say so, and that's fine. If it's based on something, something that can be shared, just say what the authority is.
Authority dude? What's the authority for your belief?
April 23rd, 2008 at 5:03 pmHere's all the "authority" I need.
Man is a social creature who works in groups, and thrives in groups. Behaving in a way that maintains a spirit of cooperation and order is beneficial to all partners and allows them to achieve more than they could were they isolated. So it is LOGICAL to be MORAL in a society.
April 23rd, 2008 at 5:07 pmMCMetal Says:
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April 23rd, 2008 at 5:00 pm
What's listed in H.Res. 888 are historical facts. They aren't made up.
It's a compendium of the expressions of religious belief - Christianinty - in the history of the US.
That belief is what brought us - citizens of US - to this point.
Believe the resolution has a total of 83 sponsors.
April 23rd, 2008 at 5:07 pmDaryll -There is a difference, God’s uses these scenarios, which affect my life, to show that I am faithful to him. New Orleans public officials (Democrats) intentionally allow sin to be practiced. Therefore, God gives them punishment for their sinful deeds.
You're probably right. I believe the Bible has a couple of verses condemning the freedom of peaceful assembly. Also, wouldn't God want to punish himself for freely allowing homosexual acts to be conducted on Earth everyday? I mean, it is his planet after all.
April 23rd, 2008 at 5:11 pmpete Says:
Here’s all the “authority” I need.
Man is a social creature who works in groups, and thrives in groups. Behaving in a way that maintains a spirit of cooperation and order is beneficial to all partners and allows them to achieve more than they could were they isolated. So it is LOGICAL to be MORAL in a society.
This does describe an ideal kindergarten wouldn't you say?
Don't think your view is contrary to following views of Dr. William Provine.
However, neither your views nor Dr. Provine can create or encourage that kindergarten to remain ideal.
There is no encouragement toward good behavior in Dr. Provine's list. Guess it'll have to be guns - laws enforced with punishment.
April 23rd, 2008 at 5:13 pmbitblt Says:
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April 23rd, 2008 at 5:00 pm
What’s listed in H.Res. 888 are historical facts. They aren’t made up.
It’s a compendium of the expressions of religious belief - Christianinty - in the history of the US.
That belief is what brought us - citizens of US - to this point.
Believe the resolution has a total of 83 sponsors.
April 23rd, 2008 at 5:07 pm
Umm , no , it isn't.
Christians didn't build this entire country , nor did Chistianity form its 1st working government.
Christianity has among it , some of the most despicable and bloody acts in human history ; we have survived EVEN WITH Christianity , not because of it.
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The bill has only 44 moron co-sponsors ; all from the horseshit GOP. You are part of the shrinking minority that will be thankfully removed from where you absolutely do not belong , bitashit.
April 23rd, 2008 at 5:15 pmWhat's listed in hr888 also occurred before the ratification of the Constitution, the establishment clause, ant the Treaty of Tripoli.
April 23rd, 2008 at 5:16 pmbitblt Says:
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bitblt would appreciate some sort of comment on why this -
Morality and spiritualism , without the burden of fraudulent religions , is far superior to your “faith”-
is the case.
Because we live in the Unites States of America ; not the United States of Christianity . Your belief in a fairy tale book is strictly and simply your own , which you are allowed ; this country was founded to protect everyone’s belief(s) , not impose one (1) upon everyone , which is what you are attempting/suggesting should be done.
Go start your own country on some island if you prefer that.
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:53 pm
What bitblt was looking for here was the authority from your remark.
If it’s simply your opinion, say so, and that’s fine. If it’s based on something, something that can be shared, just say what the authority is.
Authority dude? What’s the authority for your belief?
April 23rd, 2008 at 5:03 pm
The "authority" I possess is historical fact.
How many murders are committed by spiritualists/agnostics/atheists at all ?
And they never committ murder in the name of a "God"........
You and your ilk cannot make that same claim ; not even close to it.
April 23rd, 2008 at 5:18 pmThis does describe an ideal kindergarten wouldn’t you say?
No. It describes a society based of reason. Healthy, sane, logical people act morally by default. Only those who are "defective", immature, or incomplete in some way, commit acts which harm others or society as a whole.
Speaking only for myself, empathy makes crime unthinkable. I have no desire to inflict harm on others. I don't need "laws" of any sort, because, I'm a logical, moral, person.
And "Dr." Provine strikes me as a simpleton. Or, at least,ignorant of Darwin's works. Neither Darwin, nor his works, make any such claims.
April 23rd, 2008 at 5:27 pmpete Says:
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What’s listed in hr888 also occurred before the ratification of the Constitution, the establishment clause, ant the Treaty of Tripoli.
April 23rd, 2008 at 5:16 pm
Never mind the fact it is only the most deeply disturbed minds in the GOP that have actually sponsored/co-sponsored it anyway.........
April 23rd, 2008 at 5:34 pmMCMetal Says:
Never mind the fact it is only the most deeply disturbed minds in the GOP that have actually sponsored/co-sponsored it anyway………
April 23rd, 2008 at 5:34 pm
Plus it's in clear violation of the U.S. Constitution; a document that needs the protection of simple people more than ever before.
April 23rd, 2008 at 5:41 pmHagee can go to HELL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Katrina hit us with 135 mph wind and we are 2 hours north of New Orleans, and by DAMN I will not be voting for McCain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To even hear something this perverted roll from a so called preachers lips lets one know his true mentality.
April 23rd, 2008 at 5:52 pmpete Says:
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Never mind the fact it is only the most deeply disturbed minds in the GOP that have actually sponsored/co-sponsored it anyway………
April 23rd, 2008 at 5:34 pm
Plus it’s in clear violation of the U.S. Constitution; a document that needs the protection of simple people more than ever before.
April 23rd, 2008 at 5:41 pm
bitashit is unconcerned about that.
He doesn't understand that the law of the land here in the US is indeed the Constitution and not his beloved Bible ; and I'm pretty sure the one sponsor and the 44 other moronic co-sponsors feel similarly to his idiotic stance.........
April 23rd, 2008 at 5:56 pmMCMetal Says:
bitashit is unconcerned about that.
He doesn’t understand that the law of the land here in the US is indeed the Constitution and not his beloved Bible ; and I’m pretty sure the one sponsor and the 44 other moronic co-sponsors feel similarly to his idiotic stance………
April 23rd, 2008 at 5:56 pm
And that may be the overriding tragedy of our times. Our government has become self-serving and "We The People" seem to believe that the Constitution is there to protect us. Unfortunately it is We who must protect, and enforce, the Constitution through our votes. It's a pretty dang good Constitution and is worthy of our protection.
Now? We rational, honest, people need to remove the irrational, dishonest, people in our government. We have a great opportunity to get our nation back on track. It really is too bad "the 28%ers" vote as a block. They remain a formidable danger.
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:07 pmpete Says:
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bitashit is unconcerned about that.
He doesn’t understand that the law of the land here in the US is indeed the Constitution and not his beloved Bible ; and I’m pretty sure the one sponsor and the 44 other moronic co-sponsors feel similarly to his idiotic stance………
April 23rd, 2008 at 5:56 pm
And that may be the overriding tragedy of our times. Our government has become self-serving and “We The People” seem to believe that the Constitution is there to protect us. Unfortunately it is We who must protect, and enforce, the Constitution through our votes. It’s a pretty dang good Constitution and is worthy of our protection.
Now? We rational, honest, people need to remove the irrational, dishonest, people in our government. We have a great opportunity to get our nation back on track. It really is too bad “the 28%ers” vote as a block. They remain a formidable danger.
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:07 pm
Which is why I continue to insist that religious people should be immediately/automatically be disqualified from EVER running for office or be allowed to sit behind a bench ; the crap that they are "strict Constitutionalists" is just GOP rhetorical bullshit.
They legislate and judiciate based upon being influenced by their religious beliefs and the Bible ; not a good mix ......
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:12 pmMCMetal says:
Which is why I continue to insist that religious people should be immediately/automatically be disqualified from EVER running for office or be allowed to sit behind a bench ; the crap that they are “strict Constitutionalists” is just GOP rhetorical bullshit.
They legislate and judiciate based upon being influenced by their religious beliefs and the Bible ; not a good mix ……
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:12 pm
I don't go quite that far. My definition of "rational and honest" does not necessarily eliminate all "religious people". But, I have no tolerance for theocracy. And I struggle with violent thoughts when I see a fat-ass preacher with a Rolex and a $2,000.00 suit. You know, the ones with a Bible in one hand and the other hand in someone's pocket? Grrrr.
And if Huckabee, or any other Minister, were elected President? I would be on the first plane out. People who have actually devoted their professional life to a myth are just not reliable in my eyes.
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:36 pmSomeone should point out to Hagee that gluttony is a sin.
Well, not really, not according to my imaginary friend, Winky. He kinda likes it.
Winky kinda wantsa write a big book, but he missed out on the Iron Age. Can anyone help him out?
April 23rd, 2008 at 7:21 pmpete Says:
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Which is why I continue to insist that religious people should be immediately/automatically be disqualified from EVER running for office or be allowed to sit behind a bench ; the crap that they are “strict Constitutionalists” is just GOP rhetorical bullshit.
They legislate and judiciate based upon being influenced by their religious beliefs and the Bible ; not a good mix ……
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:12 pm
I don’t go quite that far. My definition of “rational and honest” does not necessarily eliminate all “religious people”. But, I have no tolerance for theocracy. And I struggle with violent thoughts when I see a fat-ass preacher with a Rolex and a $2,000.00 suit. You know, the ones with a Bible in one hand and the other hand in someone’s pocket? Grrrr.
And if Huckabee, or any other Minister, were elected President? I would be on the first plane out. People who have actually devoted their professional life to a myth are just not reliable in my eyes.
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:36 pm
How many religious people do you know that are really honest ?
Never mind rational ...........
April 23rd, 2008 at 8:17 pmWow. bitblt stole a lot of time from it's employer today -- in the name of the big baby Jeebus, I'm sure.
April 23rd, 2008 at 8:23 pmHow many religious people do you know that are really honest ?
Never mind rational ………..
April 23rd, 2008 at 8:17 pm
Touche!
It all depends on how we define "religious people". I have found that most who identify themselves as "religious" are not fanatical. These are the good folks who attend church as a social event, or to stay in Grandma's will, without buying the whole concept of a present, extant, and active God. They don't all trade in hate and hypocrisy.
Now when one deals with the stereotypical "fundie", like Daryll, there's no reason or honesty to appeal to. All one can do is keep an eye on them, keep them away from kids, and shout down their BS with utter contempt.
April 23rd, 2008 at 8:48 pmYou keep trying this on.
It doesn't work. It won't work, because it can't work, because the assumption upon which it's based is false.
John Hagee is a whackjob. He votes. He votes Republican, and that's what frosts your butt -- people like Hagee used to vote Democratic, straight ticket, and they don't any more.
But at the very worst, Hagee isn't an activist. He's gonna spout his bullshit, and plan on sitting by and smirking when God smacks people, but he isn't planning on going out and beating up on anybody. He thinks God is gonna come down hard on the Jews for rejecting the Messiah -- but he isn't advocating beating up on Jews, and in fact contributes big bucks to the support of Israel.
You aren't gonna find any mainstream rightist who doesn't think Hagee's a whackjob. In fact, you'll find very few Republicans of any philosophy who don't think Hagee's a whackjob, and who aren't willing to say that to anyone who's listening. Yes, you'll find similar whackjobs, some of them vocal, who will defend him -- but none of them is John McCain, and none of them are high up in Republican politics, and they aren't gonna get there.
Hagee's church is a thousand miles from either Washington or Phoenix. John McCain never attended that church, did not get married in that church, did not send his children to be taught by that church, and did not ask Hagee to be a primary campaign advisor. He most especially did not seek out Hagee or his church, or select a house specifically because of its propinquity.
Jeremiah Wright is just as big a whackjob, and it takes maybe ten seconds of listening to him to make that as obvious as sunrise. But unlike Hagee, Wright is an activist who advocates beating up on people, and has friends, associates, mentors, and followers who not only advocate beating up on their enemies, but strongly promote the idea. And again unlike Hagee, Wright's party is full of people who promote or apologize for him, and commit themselves to dumbass tactics like this "essay" to try to take the heat off.
It won't work, because Barack Obama did seek out Wright. Obama attended that church regularly, gave substantial contributions to it, was married there, sent his children there to be taught, wrote a whole book based on that church's philosophy and theology, and deliberately moved to a residence where it would be convenient for him to do all those things.
And at the end of the day, after all the fulminations on all the lefty websites and all the hitpiece interviews and smarmy speeches on NPR, Hagee will still be a distasteful nutcase with no visible influence on the candidate he endorses, and Wright will still be a barely-short-of-murderous nutcase whose influence on the candidate he endorses is not only visible, it is cited with pride by the candidate.
Tough shit. Next time, check this crap out before you try to anoint the New Messiah, rather than being inspired by the hopeychanginess and setting yourself up for this kind of bitter disappointment. The time to find the skeletons in the closet is before you flip the house.
Regards,
April 23rd, 2008 at 9:46 pmRic
Well Ric. I see things the exact opposite. As an atheist I consider all preachers "nutjobs" and expect them to make ridiculous statements. However...
Obama has a relationship with Rev. Wright and his church. Apparently, Rev. Wright is well respected by those who have heard him preach. Yet, many have labeled him a racist, and worse, for no other reason than 3 youtube clips, with no context, and recognition of the work of, prominent if controversial, African American activists. Personally, I checked out the unedited versions and found nothing offensive, racist, or unamerican, in the "offensive" sermons; when they are viewed in context.(BTW, the "chickens coming home to roost" rant? Was inspired by the words of a [gasp!] white Ambassador, who's name escapes me.)
When faced with, what I consider, a contrived controversy? Sen. Obama delivered a thoughtful, eloquent, speech that revealed his depth of knowledge, wisdom, and political savvy.
McCain on the other hand, reportedly, sought the endorsement (aggressively, for over a year) of Pastor Hagee, without regard to his well publicized reputation for "hate speech" and calls for an active role in precipitating the end of life as we know it, Armageddon.
I've been reading about Pastor Hagee, in horror, for many years. There's no context which mitigates the vileness of his message. He's a dangerous fanatic who is doing everything he can to cause "Jesus to take him home" before he dies of a coronary and has to take a dirt nap.
In order to land this endorsement McCain had to abandon his long-term antipathy to the "religious right". And why did McCain seek this nutjob out and abandon his principles? For a few thousand Texas voters. And how did McCain deal with this, what I consider, serious violation of his stated principles? Denial, followed by a half-assed "I regret if he said anything anti-anyone". McCain's sell out to these hateful creatures may be the biggest tragedy of this campaign. Rather than telling the most odious members of his party to take a hike, damaging their grip on the GOP, he has embraced and validated them.
So? I think that McCain loses "preachergate" hands down. He put off a lot of moderates and I think this move may be as damaging as any in a campaign where he has sold his principles to all comers.
April 23rd, 2008 at 10:41 pmAh, Pete, you need to pay more attention.
Hagee, in context, is about as remarkable as a French Marxist. His particular brand of religion has been an undercurrent in American life since the very earliest days. You know how you guys rag on the Right for "pants wetting" re terrorism? That's about how we see your reaction to Hagee, because he's no threat to anybody -- he rubs his hands in anticipation of being able to gloat when God does the Bad Guys (by his definition) in, but does not call for any human agency to punish the wicked.
But that's all minor. Discussion of theology and/or "hate speech" (same thing, really) is beside the point. This is a political tactic, and it won't work. The best proof of that is right here: McCain, challenged, mumbles something noncommital, and everybody goes on to the next thing. You guys are in full-court, hazmat-suit, red-lights-and-siren damage control mode, and sounding more frantic by the day. You ought to be able to gain a Clew just from your own desperation.
Hagee and his followers are going to vote for somebody. That's a given. John McCain figures it might as well be him as anybody else, and shifts around like (surprise!) a politician to get those votes. After all, the Democrats have the "Kill Whitey!" demographic sewed up, and smirk in assumed virtue for having accomplished that. He might as well try for the opposite side, especially since it's substantially more numerous. You, on the other hand, are trying to marginalize those people, and your tactic there is to try to manipulate things so that McCain offends Hagee & Co. as badly as you have, with the idea in mind that they'll either go away entirely or reject him as they have you. McCain must repudiate Hagee! No, that's not forceful enough! It's got to be absolute!
In the first place, McCain isn't nearly that stupid. He's a Navy fighter pilot, which says a lot if you know the genre, but just short of imbecilic? You wish. (No, I'm not a McCain admirer. If the Democrats had anybody credible you'd probably get my vote.) In the second place, and more important, the cries of he must repudiate are at best an equal and opposite insult to the people involved, and more usually tend to drive them farther away from you. And in the third place, everything you do in that direction invariably and inevitably points back at Wright, no matter how loudly you shout "Look! Over there! No, not there, fool, over there!
It's particularly telling that you don't find the views of an explicitly racist, America-hating, rabble-rousing demagogue "offensive, racist, or unamerican", and more indicative that you're trying to spin a typical, "I'm sorry you're so sensitive as to take offense" nonapology into a "thoughtful, eloquent, speech". Careful of the bearings, there. RPMs that high need special lubrication.
As for the mythical "moderates" -- I think you must be talking about the people who don't pay attention. To the extent they matter, which won't be until September at the earliest, I personally don't think this will affect them much. Prediction is hard, especially about the future, so I suppose I could be wrong -- but remember: Hagee doesn't threaten anybody, and in fact goes to great lengths to avoid threats (if you understand the nuance); Wright & Co. are explicity calling for "wall, oppressors, some assembly required." There is a difference, and it ain't nearly as subtle as you try to make it.
Regards,
April 24th, 2008 at 1:18 amRic
Apparently, the malfunction in the bot, which called itself bitblt, was beyond repair, so a RNC technician just pulled the plug on it at approximately 5:13 PM.
April 24th, 2008 at 9:14 amYeah Hagee, Katrina was a creation of your mystical heaven that was sent forth to wipe away the sin of New Orleans. Problem is, eveything OTHER than Bourbon Street (the "heart" of so-called sin in New Orleans) and its immediate confines was destroyed.
Now for your "holier than thou" determination that this event was the hand of your mystical god; consider this: the city of New Orleans was indeed recently destroyed by hurricane Katrina. At least a thousand people died, tens of thousands lost all their earthly possessions, and over a million were displaced. It is safe to say that almost every person living in New Orleans at the moment Katrina struck believed in an omnipotent, omniscient, and compassionate God. But what was God doing while a hurricane laid waste to their city? Surely He heard the prayers of those elderly christian men and women who fled the rising waters for the safety of their attics, only to be slowly drowned there. These were people of faith. These were good men and women who had prayed throughout their lives. He heard them, didn't he? Or did he not, because mirages are just that....mirages.
Fortunately, there are those of us who don't marinate in religious fiction who have the courage to admit the obvious: these poor people spent their lives in the company of an imaginary friend.
So keep spouting your idiotic spin, Hagee. Only fools and con artists like yourself can do anything and everything possible to negate scientific facts with religious fiction. Unbelievably, certain simpletons will continue believe your BS. Now that's heresy.
April 24th, 2008 at 10:43 amGod knocked-up Mary.
April 24th, 2008 at 11:53 amGod and Mary committed adultery.
Therefore, by me sleeping with married women, I am being God-like.
Ih past history is any indication, Hagee will soon be caught in a hotel room/restroom/alley/porn theater/garage/airport/park with another man
April 24th, 2008 at 12:22 pmIs it just me or ahs anyone else noticed that all these demagogues can't give an actual smile? Hagee can't do it. Chaney can't, and Hitler looked as if his face would crack if he tried too hard. Bush's smile comes off as a sneer. And the smile never seems to get to their eyes, either. Was just wondering...
April 24th, 2008 at 12:31 pmThis month, my city (Barcelona) has/had scheduled 4 (four) major gay, international events. But, somehow, I doubt we will suffer an hurricane before April 30th.
April 24th, 2008 at 12:51 pmZooey and Witch1 - excellent posts - wit and logic. I may be in love with both of you. Oh I hope that you are both women because, if not, Daryll's god will surely smite me.
BTW Daryll, it makes no sense, none whatsoever, to use the threat of hell or scriptures to try to argue with us heathens. Oh and I need a professional opinion - can I live in sin and repent just before I die to get to your heaven? Isn't that the way for me to optimize my fun? It seems to be consistent with so many of the radical right I meet. In case you are so nuts you can't tell it, that was sarcasm; I don't believe in your heaven or hell. And one more question, how is your idea that God punishes us in this world for our sins supported by the story about Jesus saving a hooker from being stoned by the Pharisees? It seems highly unlikely she had repented at that time.
April 24th, 2008 at 2:44 pmThis guy is a dumb ass
April 24th, 2008 at 9:04 pmAnother guy who had to eat crow:
> Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
April 24th, 2008 at 9:07 pm> “For They That Sow the Wind Shall Reap the
> Whirlwind”
> Posted August 29, 2005 | 06:03 PM (EST)
>
>
> As Hurricane Katrina dismantles Mississippi’s Gulf
> Coast, it’s worth recalling the central role that
> Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour played in
> derailing the Kyoto Protocol and kiboshing President Bush’s
> iron-clad campaign promise to regulate CO2.
>
> In 1998, Republican icon Pat Robertson warned that
> hurricanes were likely to hit communities that
> offended God. Perhaps it was Barbour’s memo that
> caused Katrina, at the last moment, to spare New
> Orleans and save its worst flailings for the
> Mississippi coast. [UPDATE: Alas, the reprieve for
> New Orleans was only temporary. But Haley Barbour still
> has much to answer for.]
>
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr/for-they-that-sow-the-_b_6396.html#c
>
When faced with, what I consider, a contrived controversy? Sen. Obama delivered a thoughtful, eloquent, speech that revealed his depth of knowledge, wisdom, and political savvy.
McCain on the other hand, reportedly, sought the endorsement (aggressively, for over a year) of Pastor Hagee, without regard to his well publicized reputation for “hate speech” and calls for an active role in precipitating the end of life as we know it, Armageddon.
I’ve been reading about Pastor Hagee, in horror, for many years. There’s no context which mitigates the vileness of his message. He’s a dangerous fanatic toshiba satellite p30 battery,toshiba satellite p35 battery who is doing everything he can to cause “Jesus to take him home” before he dies of a coronary and has to take a dirt nap.
October 15th, 2008 at 8:22 am