Comments on: CNN’s Velshi: I’m not even as ‘clean’ as coal when I ‘get out of the shower.’ http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/28/cnns-velshi-i%e2%80%99m-not-even-as-%e2%80%98clean%e2%80%99-as-coal-when-i-%e2%80%98get-out-of-the-shower%e2%80%99/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:46:49 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: DieNowForPeace http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/28/cnns-velshi-i%e2%80%99m-not-even-as-%e2%80%98clean%e2%80%99-as-coal-when-i-%e2%80%98get-out-of-the-shower%e2%80%99/comment-page-2/#comment-4936156 DieNowForPeace Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:41:02 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/28/cnns-velshi-i%e2%80%99m-not-even-as-%e2%80%98clean%e2%80%99-as-coal-when-i-%e2%80%98get-out-of-the-shower%e2%80%99/#comment-4936156 T. Boone Pickens is funding solar and wind farms to replace fossil fuel power plants. He'd rather use natural gas to power automobiles, while cleaning up the dirty and costly coal plants, and he'll make a fortune doing it. <blockquote> Next month, Pickens' company, Mesa Power, will begin buying land and ordering 2,700 wind turbines that will eventually generate 4,000 megawatts of electricity - the equivalent of building two commercial scale nuclear power plants - enough power for about 1 million homes. "These are substantial," said Pickens, speaking to students at Georgetown University on Thursday. "They're big." Pickens knows a thing or two about big. He heads the BP Capital hedge fund with over $4 billion under management, and earned about $1 billion in 2006 making big bets on commodity and equity markets. Though a long-time oil man, Pickens said he has embraced the call for cleaner energy sources that don't emit heat-trapping greenhouse gases. "I'm an environmentalist - I can pass the saliva test," he said. But Pickens is not out to save the planet. He intends to make money. Though Pickens admits that wind power won't be as lucrative as oil deals, he still expects the Texas project to turn at least a 25 percent return. "When I go into these markets, I expect to make money on them," Pickens said. "I don't expect to lose."</blockquote> <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080418/us_nm/usa_oil_pickens_wind_dc" rel="nofollow">LINK</a> T. Boone Pickens is funding solar and wind farms to replace fossil fuel power plants. He’d rather use natural gas to power automobiles, while cleaning up the dirty and costly coal plants, and he’ll make a fortune doing it.

Next month, Pickens’ company, Mesa Power, will begin buying land and ordering 2,700 wind turbines that will eventually generate 4,000 megawatts of electricity – the equivalent of building two commercial scale nuclear power plants – enough power for about 1 million homes.

“These are substantial,” said Pickens, speaking to students at Georgetown University on Thursday. “They’re big.”

Pickens knows a thing or two about big. He heads the BP Capital hedge fund with over $4 billion under management, and earned about $1 billion in 2006 making big bets on commodity and equity markets.

Though a long-time oil man, Pickens said he has embraced the call for cleaner energy sources that don’t emit heat-trapping greenhouse gases.

“I’m an environmentalist – I can pass the saliva test,” he said.

But Pickens is not out to save the planet. He intends to make money.

Though Pickens admits that wind power won’t be as lucrative as oil deals, he still expects the Texas project to turn at least a 25 percent return.

“When I go into these markets, I expect to make money on them,” Pickens said. “I don’t expect to lose.”

LINK

]]> By: Art http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/28/cnns-velshi-i%e2%80%99m-not-even-as-%e2%80%98clean%e2%80%99-as-coal-when-i-%e2%80%98get-out-of-the-shower%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-4935406 Art Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:50:34 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/28/cnns-velshi-i%e2%80%99m-not-even-as-%e2%80%98clean%e2%80%99-as-coal-when-i-%e2%80%98get-out-of-the-shower%e2%80%99/#comment-4935406 OWWW! I can't get that mental image out of my head!! OWWW! I can’t get that mental image out of my head!!

]]> By: backup http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/28/cnns-velshi-i%e2%80%99m-not-even-as-%e2%80%98clean%e2%80%99-as-coal-when-i-%e2%80%98get-out-of-the-shower%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-4935380 backup Tue, 29 Apr 2008 14:41:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/28/cnns-velshi-i%e2%80%99m-not-even-as-%e2%80%98clean%e2%80%99-as-coal-when-i-%e2%80%98get-out-of-the-shower%e2%80%99/#comment-4935380 chris. the energy has to come from somewhere. What's your idea? chris. the energy has to come from somewhere. What’s your idea?

]]> By: christopher wiwi http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/28/cnns-velshi-i%e2%80%99m-not-even-as-%e2%80%98clean%e2%80%99-as-coal-when-i-%e2%80%98get-out-of-the-shower%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-4935248 christopher wiwi Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:58:44 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/28/cnns-velshi-i%e2%80%99m-not-even-as-%e2%80%98clean%e2%80%99-as-coal-when-i-%e2%80%98get-out-of-the-shower%e2%80%99/#comment-4935248 Let me see, big the big money Coal wants us to believe that coal is clean and it impact will leave a small carbon footprint and low pollution, NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let me see, big the big money Coal wants us to believe that coal is clean and it impact will leave a small carbon footprint and low pollution,

NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

]]> By: hussein toasterhead http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/28/cnns-velshi-i%e2%80%99m-not-even-as-%e2%80%98clean%e2%80%99-as-coal-when-i-%e2%80%98get-out-of-the-shower%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-4935174 hussein toasterhead Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:29:52 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/28/cnns-velshi-i%e2%80%99m-not-even-as-%e2%80%98clean%e2%80%99-as-coal-when-i-%e2%80%98get-out-of-the-shower%e2%80%99/#comment-4935174 <i>Voice_of_Reason Says: Now please explain why you disagree with both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama on clean coal? (not to mention John McCain, Mike Huckabee and Ron Paul, among others). April 28th, 2008 at 11:38 pm </i> Because the candidates are misguided on these issues. It wouldn't be the first time that I disagreed with Barack or Hillary on an issue and it won't be the last. Voice_of_Reason Says:

Now please explain why you disagree with both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama on clean coal? (not to mention John McCain, Mike Huckabee and Ron Paul, among others).

April 28th, 2008 at 11:38 pm

Because the candidates are misguided on these issues. It wouldn’t be the first time that I disagreed with Barack or Hillary on an issue and it won’t be the last.

]]> By: moondancer http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/28/cnns-velshi-i%e2%80%99m-not-even-as-%e2%80%98clean%e2%80%99-as-coal-when-i-%e2%80%98get-out-of-the-shower%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-4935164 moondancer Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:24:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/28/cnns-velshi-i%e2%80%99m-not-even-as-%e2%80%98clean%e2%80%99-as-coal-when-i-%e2%80%98get-out-of-the-shower%e2%80%99/#comment-4935164 He gets to be a character in a nightmare sci-fi movie "to be determined" for that one. He gets to be a character in a nightmare sci-fi movie “to be determined” for that one.

]]> By: Doc Rock http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/28/cnns-velshi-i%e2%80%99m-not-even-as-%e2%80%98clean%e2%80%99-as-coal-when-i-%e2%80%98get-out-of-the-shower%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-4935100 Doc Rock Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:50:02 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/28/cnns-velshi-i%e2%80%99m-not-even-as-%e2%80%98clean%e2%80%99-as-coal-when-i-%e2%80%98get-out-of-the-shower%e2%80%99/#comment-4935100 Money speaks, <strong>eloquently</strong>, doesn't it? Money speaks, eloquently, doesn’t it?

]]> By: jay_severin_has_a_small_pen1s http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/28/cnns-velshi-i%e2%80%99m-not-even-as-%e2%80%98clean%e2%80%99-as-coal-when-i-%e2%80%98get-out-of-the-shower%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-4935098 jay_severin_has_a_small_pen1s Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:49:43 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/28/cnns-velshi-i%e2%80%99m-not-even-as-%e2%80%98clean%e2%80%99-as-coal-when-i-%e2%80%98get-out-of-the-shower%e2%80%99/#comment-4935098 He's right! Right-wing reporters can shower all they want but they will not be able to scrub the filth on them away. He’s right! Right-wing reporters can shower all they want but they will not be able to scrub the filth on them away.

]]> By: Fool Zero http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/28/cnns-velshi-i%e2%80%99m-not-even-as-%e2%80%98clean%e2%80%99-as-coal-when-i-%e2%80%98get-out-of-the-shower%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-4935088 Fool Zero Tue, 29 Apr 2008 07:43:45 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/28/cnns-velshi-i%e2%80%99m-not-even-as-%e2%80%98clean%e2%80%99-as-coal-when-i-%e2%80%98get-out-of-the-shower%e2%80%99/#comment-4935088 This was probably poor Velshi's way of admitting that he feels dirty after shilling for the coal industry. Lady Macbeth is supposed to have had a similar problem. "Out, damned spot! out, I say!" This was probably poor Velshi’s way of admitting that he feels dirty after shilling for the coal industry. Lady Macbeth is supposed to have had a similar problem. “Out, damned spot! out, I say!”

]]> By: curmudgeon http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/28/cnns-velshi-i%e2%80%99m-not-even-as-%e2%80%98clean%e2%80%99-as-coal-when-i-%e2%80%98get-out-of-the-shower%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-4935078 curmudgeon Tue, 29 Apr 2008 07:04:13 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/28/cnns-velshi-i%e2%80%99m-not-even-as-%e2%80%98clean%e2%80%99-as-coal-when-i-%e2%80%98get-out-of-the-shower%e2%80%99/#comment-4935078 Wonder if Velshi uses the same claim about coal being cleaner than he is after a shower as his byline on the internet dating sites? If so, wouldn't the women, men or both who respond to such an ad be an interesting lot? Wonder if Velshi uses the same claim about coal being cleaner than he is after a shower as his byline on the internet dating sites? If so, wouldn’t the women, men or both who respond to such an ad be an interesting lot?

]]> By: backup http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/28/cnns-velshi-i%e2%80%99m-not-even-as-%e2%80%98clean%e2%80%99-as-coal-when-i-%e2%80%98get-out-of-the-shower%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-4935024 backup Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:56:55 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/28/cnns-velshi-i%e2%80%99m-not-even-as-%e2%80%98clean%e2%80%99-as-coal-when-i-%e2%80%98get-out-of-the-shower%e2%80%99/#comment-4935024 Well, one positive aspect of coal (for America) is that we have a relative abudance of it. I saw a recent report that Montana alone has enough coal to replace our imported oil requirements for 200 years. Obviously, the problem is enviromental. Mining issues. CO2 emissions. But, if you could make it clean, and enviromentally friendly, it could be an element of an energy policy that could ween us from dependance on foreign oil. That would be positive. Well, one positive aspect of coal (for America) is that we have a relative abudance of it.

I saw a recent report that Montana alone has enough coal to replace our imported oil requirements for 200 years.

Obviously, the problem is enviromental. Mining issues. CO2 emissions.

But, if you could make it clean, and enviromentally friendly, it could be an element of an energy policy that could ween us from dependance on foreign oil. That would be positive.

]]> By: pete http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/28/cnns-velshi-i%e2%80%99m-not-even-as-%e2%80%98clean%e2%80%99-as-coal-when-i-%e2%80%98get-out-of-the-shower%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-4935002 pete Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:34:30 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/28/cnns-velshi-i%e2%80%99m-not-even-as-%e2%80%98clean%e2%80%99-as-coal-when-i-%e2%80%98get-out-of-the-shower%e2%80%99/#comment-4935002 Oops! I forgot. G'night good people. You too trolls. Oops! I forgot.

G’night good people.
You too trolls.

]]> By: pete http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/28/cnns-velshi-i%e2%80%99m-not-even-as-%e2%80%98clean%e2%80%99-as-coal-when-i-%e2%80%98get-out-of-the-shower%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-4935000 pete Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:33:52 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/28/cnns-velshi-i%e2%80%99m-not-even-as-%e2%80%98clean%e2%80%99-as-coal-when-i-%e2%80%98get-out-of-the-shower%e2%80%99/#comment-4935000 We, and others, will continue to burn coal indefinitely, so, it only makes sense to take every possible step to reduce emissions both here and abroad. The CO2 is only part of the problem. Some of the other "goodies" include: mercury, sulfur (Remember "acid rain"? It's still falling.) and various radioactive elements. Even without "capping", for carbon, we must reduce the other toxins both here and abroad. Then, of course, there are all the issues with mining and processing. These too must be modernized both here and abroad. All of these issues will not be dealt with until MUCH stricter regulation is put in place. Much of the "Third World" looks to us for their cues. We need to catch up with Europe and become an example of responsibility. We all know that won't even begin, in this country, until the Republicriminals are sent packing. Short of torture they will never, effectively, regulate any part of the energy industry. They just don't "do responsibility". The self-proclaimed "adults" have proven to be greedy children, devoid of restraint. Oh yeah. Mr. Velshi is apparently a major assnugget who would sell his mother for a buck. It's obvious he's willing to risk the health, and wellbeing, of his descendants. We, and others, will continue to burn coal indefinitely, so, it only makes sense to take every possible step to reduce emissions both here and abroad. The CO2 is only part of the problem. Some of the other “goodies” include: mercury, sulfur (Remember “acid rain”? It’s still falling.) and various radioactive elements. Even without “capping”, for carbon, we must reduce the other toxins both here and abroad. Then, of course, there are all the issues with mining and processing. These too must be modernized both here and abroad.

All of these issues will not be dealt with until MUCH stricter regulation is put in place. Much of the “Third World” looks to us for their cues. We need to catch up with Europe and become an example of responsibility.

We all know that won’t even begin, in this country, until the Republicriminals are sent packing. Short of torture they will never, effectively, regulate any part of the energy industry. They just don’t “do responsibility”. The self-proclaimed “adults” have proven to be greedy children, devoid of restraint.

Oh yeah. Mr. Velshi is apparently a major assnugget who would sell his mother for a buck. It’s obvious he’s willing to risk the health, and wellbeing, of his descendants.

]]> By: mattjm http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/28/cnns-velshi-i%e2%80%99m-not-even-as-%e2%80%98clean%e2%80%99-as-coal-when-i-%e2%80%98get-out-of-the-shower%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-4934974 mattjm Tue, 29 Apr 2008 04:49:41 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/28/cnns-velshi-i%e2%80%99m-not-even-as-%e2%80%98clean%e2%80%99-as-coal-when-i-%e2%80%98get-out-of-the-shower%e2%80%99/#comment-4934974 Wait, wait. I think ya'll might have misinterpreted his comment. I think Velshi is being sarcastic. He's saying; "The signs say coal is 99 percent clean...Yeah right! There's no way it could be cleaner than me after a shower..." Am I right? Wait, wait. I think ya’ll might have misinterpreted his comment. I think Velshi is being sarcastic. He’s saying; “The signs say coal is 99 percent clean…Yeah right! There’s no way it could be cleaner than me after a shower…”

Am I right?

]]> By: Gregor Samsa http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/28/cnns-velshi-i%e2%80%99m-not-even-as-%e2%80%98clean%e2%80%99-as-coal-when-i-%e2%80%98get-out-of-the-shower%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-4934964 Gregor Samsa Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:57:27 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/28/cnns-velshi-i%e2%80%99m-not-even-as-%e2%80%98clean%e2%80%99-as-coal-when-i-%e2%80%98get-out-of-the-shower%e2%80%99/#comment-4934964 By pointing out that both Obama and Clinton support investment on "clean coal" technology -even if as a temporary measure, VOR has conclusively proven that... uh... oh... hmm... What's the topic of the thread again? By pointing out that both Obama and Clinton support investment on “clean coal” technology -even if as a temporary measure, VOR has conclusively proven that… uh… oh… hmm…

What’s the topic of the thread again?

]]> By: VerbalKint http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/28/cnns-velshi-i%e2%80%99m-not-even-as-%e2%80%98clean%e2%80%99-as-coal-when-i-%e2%80%98get-out-of-the-shower%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-4934962 VerbalKint Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:51:15 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/28/cnns-velshi-i%e2%80%99m-not-even-as-%e2%80%98clean%e2%80%99-as-coal-when-i-%e2%80%98get-out-of-the-shower%e2%80%99/#comment-4934962 What VofR does not grasp is that most people here are willing to criticize Democratic politicians when we feel they are wrong. So we feel free to criticize Obama or Clinton regarding their proposed energy policies (although we do it without deliberately distorting their positions). VofR feels that he scores points when he notes that a Democratic candidate supports something that any of us oppose, because he expects Progressives to be ideologically-driven lock steppers like his own brownshirt ilk, and defend our candidates no matter what. But that isn't how things work for the intellectually honest, VofR, not that I expect you to grasp what I am telling you. What VofR does not grasp is that most people here are willing to criticize Democratic politicians when we feel they are wrong. So we feel free to criticize Obama or Clinton regarding their proposed energy policies (although we do it without deliberately distorting their positions). VofR feels that he scores points when he notes that a Democratic candidate supports something that any of us oppose, because he expects Progressives to be ideologically-driven lock steppers like his own brownshirt ilk, and defend our candidates no matter what. But that isn’t how things work for the intellectually honest, VofR, not that I expect you to grasp what I am telling you.

]]> By: VerbalKint http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/28/cnns-velshi-i%e2%80%99m-not-even-as-%e2%80%98clean%e2%80%99-as-coal-when-i-%e2%80%98get-out-of-the-shower%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-4934958 VerbalKint Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:47:05 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/28/cnns-velshi-i%e2%80%99m-not-even-as-%e2%80%98clean%e2%80%99-as-coal-when-i-%e2%80%98get-out-of-the-shower%e2%80%99/#comment-4934958 So tell me, VoR, which of these two stellar candidates do you intend to vote for in the general election: Obama or Clinton? So tell me, VoR, which of these two stellar candidates do you intend to vote for in the general election: Obama or Clinton?

]]> By: dbadass http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/28/cnns-velshi-i%e2%80%99m-not-even-as-%e2%80%98clean%e2%80%99-as-coal-when-i-%e2%80%98get-out-of-the-shower%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-4934956 dbadass Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:44:50 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/28/cnns-velshi-i%e2%80%99m-not-even-as-%e2%80%98clean%e2%80%99-as-coal-when-i-%e2%80%98get-out-of-the-shower%e2%80%99/#comment-4934956 Derail? Are we each not a part of the problem and the solution simultaneously? Derail? Are we each not a part of the problem and the solution simultaneously?

]]> By: MCMetal http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/28/cnns-velshi-i%e2%80%99m-not-even-as-%e2%80%98clean%e2%80%99-as-coal-when-i-%e2%80%98get-out-of-the-shower%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-4934954 MCMetal Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:41:30 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/28/cnns-velshi-i%e2%80%99m-not-even-as-%e2%80%98clean%e2%80%99-as-coal-when-i-%e2%80%98get-out-of-the-shower%e2%80%99/#comment-4934954 <i>Voice_of_Reason Says: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don’t try to derail the thread dbadass. The thread is about clean coal. Now please explain why you disagree with both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama on clean coal? (not to mention John McCain, Mike Huckabee and Ron Paul, among others). April 28th, 2008 at 11:38 pm </i> Hey moron You want to replace 1 finite energy source with another finite energy source as a permanent solution ? What kind of a dipshit are you ? Voice_of_Reason Says:
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Don’t try to derail the thread dbadass. The thread is about clean coal. Now please explain why you disagree with both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama on clean coal? (not to mention John McCain, Mike Huckabee and Ron Paul, among others).

April 28th, 2008 at 11:38 pm

Hey moron

You want to replace 1 finite energy source with another finite energy source as a permanent solution ?

What kind of a dipshit are you ?

]]> By: Zooey http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/28/cnns-velshi-i%e2%80%99m-not-even-as-%e2%80%98clean%e2%80%99-as-coal-when-i-%e2%80%98get-out-of-the-shower%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-4934950 Zooey Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:37:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/28/cnns-velshi-i%e2%80%99m-not-even-as-%e2%80%98clean%e2%80%99-as-coal-when-i-%e2%80%98get-out-of-the-shower%e2%80%99/#comment-4934950 Velshi's going to hate himself in the morning. Never on the first date, dear... Velshi’s going to hate himself in the morning. Never on the first date, dear…

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