Politico reports today that Sen. Jim Webb (D-VA) and Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) “are locked in an increasingly intense debate over a shared value: education benefits for veterans.” McCain has made “himself a target by refusing to endorse Webb’s new GI education bill and instead signing on to a Republican alternative.” McCain has charged that Webb’s Senate staff “has not been eager to negotiate” on the bill. “He’s so full of it,” Webb replied, adding, “I have personally talked to John three times. I made a personal call to [McCain aide] Mark Salter months ago asking that they look at this.”
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Yes. Yes he is.
April 30th, 2008 at 9:43 amMcCain isn’t interested in a bill or the veterans. His interests are in getting elected President and that means joining the good old boy Republican network so, of course, McCain is full of it. I like Webb’s hot language. I just wish more Democrats would talk like him.
April 30th, 2008 at 9:46 amDo ya’ think?
April 30th, 2008 at 9:47 amThe old guy forgot again, what a shame!!!!!
I know Mcwarmonger forgot to flip, or was it time to flop!!!
April 30th, 2008 at 9:49 amJey, campaignin’ is some hard work. And I ain’t gettin’ no younger.
April 30th, 2008 at 9:53 am“I just wish more Democrats would talk like him.”
Me, too!
April 30th, 2008 at 9:57 am“Webb could not have called Salter about this alternative “months ago” because it hadn’t been introduced.”
Voice of Reagan
Usually it takes some time to craft a bill before it is introduced, and part of the work of creating legislation is soliciting input from other legislators.
April 30th, 2008 at 10:01 amVoice_of_Reason Says:
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It is becoming increasingly obvious that Webb is more interested in using the GI’s as tools for attempted political gain than in actually helping them.
Thanks for the laughs early in the morning. Nothing like a burst of insanity to start the day off right.
April 30th, 2008 at 10:03 amVoice_of_Reason Says:
It is becoming increasingly obvious that Webb is more interested in using the GI’s as tools for attempted political gain than in actually helping them. McCain is one of three co-sponsors on an alternative bill that was introduced a few days ago. Webb could not have called Salter about this alternative “months ago” because it hadn’t been introduced. Now that there is an alternative, their respective congressional staffs need to meet and negotiate, but all that Webb wants to meet with is the press. Shameful Webb, shameful.
McCain has had a year to “negotiate” if he truly gave a damn about veterans’ benefits. However, it’s clear he does not, because he has only introduced this bill for political effect, it doesn’t give anywhere near the sort of benefits necessary, and he’s publicly stated that military personnel shouldn’t get sufficient benefits because they’d leave the service to go to college.
You’ve got it exactly backwards, but why would anyone be surprised about that?
April 30th, 2008 at 10:07 amGeez, McCains reaction shows striking similarity to the reactions we’ve seen from GWB on numerous occasions, and look where that’s landed us. What a fraud the “maverick” is proving himself to be.
April 30th, 2008 at 10:09 amVoice_of_Reason Says:
Nevar. That argumetn is actually quite logical (and thanks for the “Voice of Reagan” reference — I’m flattered but unworthy). However, the quote is: “I have personally talked to John three times. I made a personal call to [McCain aide] Mark Salter months ago asking that they look at this.” So, they called McCain’s staff “months ago” asking that McCain look at his own bill? That doesn’t make sense.
No, it doesn’t. But then Webb was talking about the GI Bill, not about McCain’s phony offer. Try to keep up.
April 30th, 2008 at 10:10 amWebb nailed it.
That’s McCain’s problem. He actually had some respect from both Parties up until about February, when he began flipping & flopping like a Dolphin out of water.
McCain has had ample time to respond to Webb’s bill. McCain’s fear was that, by supporting it, conservatives on the fence about voting for him may be swayed to not do so.
It’s obvious McCain places a higher priority on getting elected than providing our troops an education.
Shame on you, McSenile, shame on you.
April 30th, 2008 at 10:11 amI thought the Webb bill was co-sponsered or co-written (which ever) by McCain to begin with? If that’s the case, then why is McCain backing of something he helped to create to begin with?
April 30th, 2008 at 10:16 amIt’s high time to retire McMedicated to the rocking chair. At this point in time, the last thing we need is another embarassment in the white house.
April 30th, 2008 at 10:16 am@15: s/b backing off of
April 30th, 2008 at 10:17 am“He’s so full of it,” Webb replied
And obviously, sois the troll, Voice of (un)Reason.
April 30th, 2008 at 10:23 amVoR, you state that the Dems turned on McCain when he became the nominee. First, you have a knack for the obvious and second, you neglect to acknowledge the distaste most republicans had for McCain prior to becoming the nominee.
Lastly, McCain’s suspect senility may or may not be note worthy but the absence of his medical records is. And that would include the possibility of senility.
hello everyone, it’s been awhile.
April 30th, 2008 at 10:24 amJust did some quick checking and Webb’s GI bill has been in the news for several months and McCain’s name is linked. One can deduce there has been communication at some level between the two.
April 30th, 2008 at 10:27 amVoice of TReason,
April 30th, 2008 at 10:28 amWhy do you and John McCain hate our troops?
“The two sides need to get together and talk with each other more instead of spending all of their time talking with the press. Let’s focus on helping the GI’s instead of playing politics with them.”
Voice of Raygun
John Boy is awfully busy these days, I believe he leads the Senate pack of absentee legislators.
April 30th, 2008 at 10:34 amVoR, I’m sure you are smart enough to understand that the process in which a nominee is selected does equal him/her to being the most popular even among his own party.
George Bush didn’t get the most votes to become President in 2000.
I’m also confident in stating that a majority of republicans are holding their noses because of McCain.
April 30th, 2008 at 10:37 amMcCain has charged that Webb’s Senate staff “has not been eager to negotiate” on the bill.
I can’t blame them if they didn’t. Their first priority should be what is best for the veterans not what is best for John McCain.
John, we know were your loyalty lies and it’s not in helping the men and women who have made many sacrifices. They continue to make these sacrifices mentally and physically, you are part of the problem not part of the solution.
April 30th, 2008 at 10:37 amWhen asked why he has not yet supported the 21st Century GI Bill, McCain responded “I have not had a chance to examine it carefully. It seems to me that it’s a good thing to do. But I haven’t examined the bill with the care that I, that I, that it needs. But we obviously need to do something along those lines and I just had a conversation with Senator Webb, who as you know is one of those spearheading it and I told him I was very supportive but that I hadn’t had a chance to examine it in detail yet.” [CNN Live Feed (Chula Vista, CA), 3/24/08]
April 30th, 2008 at 10:41 amVoice_of_Reason Says:
Zimzone. To clarify what you said, McCain had widespread support from both parties until he became the Republican nominee which caused the Democrats to turn on him.
p.s. you might want to try a different approach than the ad nauseum reference to senility. That attack didn’t work for the Dems in the Reagan elections, and it won’t work now.
Let’s get something straight right now. This is the only post I’ll talk to you in, and I’m actually breaking my own code of honor in doing so…
The day I need or follow your advice is the day I’ll turn Republican. Ain’t gonna happen. You slither around here like a reptile in a henhouse, projecting truthiness while supporting the biggest gang of crooks our Country has ever witnessed. I don’t need, want or invite your advice. STFU about me, my posts or any ideas I profess on this blog. It’s chickenhawk chickenshits like you that have allowed these transgressions to occur, and I’ll be damned if you’ll get any validation for your posts, ideas or suggestions from me.
Are we clear on this? If not, you need more help than even I imagined.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:24 am“Nevar. That argumetn is actually quite logical (and thanks for the “Voice of Reagan” reference — I’m flattered but unworthy).”
The “Voice of Reagan” is that of an actor reading a script.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:36 amAt least Reagan could read fairly well, and had some training as an actor. Unlike the current denizen of the White House.
Your Voice is little more than circuitous rationalizations, and cannot possibly be construed as rational.
And use the spell check, please.
McCain has managed to be both juvenile and senile depending on the moment.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:36 amVoice_of_Reason Says:
Zimzone. To clarify what you said, McCain had widespread support from both parties until he became the Republican nominee which caused the Democrats to turn on him.
If you are referring to McCain having widespread support form both parties to mean as a Senator, you seem to be missing the point that once he started running for President he did a complete turn-around on almost every ideal he held that gave him that bi-partisan support. He became McPander and lost his claim to being a “moderate” or a “maverick”.
If expecting McCain to continue to support a bill he co-authored with Webb and pointing out that he has changed his position is turning on McCain, then I guess the Democrats are doing that.
Soon the entire country will be turning on McCain, once they are introduced to the real John McCain by the Democratic Party. The MSM is still playing into his “maverick” persona and refuses to cover all the about faces he has done on important issues.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:37 amVoice_of_Reason Says:
hillin. You are correct that many Republicans had a distaste for McCain prior to him becoming the nominee because of his RINO stance on certain issues, but you are not correct that “most republicans” had such a distaste, or he never would have become the nominee.
You are aware, aren’t you, that 30% of the Republicans in PA voted for either Paul or Huckabee. Doesn’t sound like he has much support from the Republicans. Also, the only reason why he is the nominee is because the remainder of the candidates were such whack jobs they went down in flames, leaving McCain as the last man standing.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:40 amZimzone Says:
Let’s get something straight right now. This is the only post I’ll talk to you in, and I’m actually breaking my own code of honor in doing so…
Hi Zimzone…thanks for the reminder about the futility of trying to engage a$$hat trolls in discourse. I have slipped lately and will now go back to my regular program of refusing to validate trolls by addressing them directly. They have now been demoted back to “it” in my discourse on this blog.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:43 amUh oh, what happened to the trollie?
April 30th, 2008 at 11:55 amVoice of Ridicule,
Pull your head out of your a$$.
Fully vetted as a flip-flop, say anything, ignorant shit-heel.
Why don’t you take a long walk on a short pier, fcuking idiotic, treasonous a$$-licking pile of cretinous, anti-American pig shit.
April 30th, 2008 at 11:57 amYes, McCain is campaigning now and everything he says and does will be run through the RNC for approval. I joke and mock him for his age and forgetfulness, but seriously, I believe he knows exactly what he is doing — the flip-flops, the denials, the disingenuousness, and the blatant lies, distortions and pandering are purposeful.
April 30th, 2008 at 12:00 pmZimzone says: The day I need or follow your advice is the day I’ll turn Republican.
BRAVO!! **applause**
My sentiments exactly. VoR, JMH, Exley, and others who tell us how to run our ideological house can only be ridiculed, not debated.
April 30th, 2008 at 12:13 pmI get the sense that many people support McCain because they don’t like the other option. Does that say something about them? That they are more driven by dislike and hatred than an actual position? Maybe it is because they feel they have no option. There is no alternative for them. But it is sad though. Sad that they can’t mobilize around anything other than what they are against. I hear many Republicans say, “McCain. I hate him, but he is better than the other two.” Sad. Just sad. http://angryafrican.net/2008/04/30/stand-up-for-it/
April 30th, 2008 at 1:56 pmMcCain has made “himself a target by refusing to endorse Webb’s new GI education bill and instead signing on to a Republican alternative.” McCain has charged that Webb’s Senate staff “has not been eager to negotiate” on the bill.
Hey McStupid
Webb’s bill has been around for over a year ; the Republican alternative has just been written and introduced , and is supposedly inferior in every benefit towards Veterans.
That being the case , why in the fu(k should Webb have to negotiate AT ALL ? Especially considering the horseshit GOP is the minority party , and has been responsible for fobbing off the worst president in US history on us these last 7 + years………………
April 30th, 2008 at 2:39 pm