ThinkFast: May 2, 2008
Yesterday, Vice President Cheney’s office agreed to let chief of staff David Addington testify about the administration’s interrogation policies if he is subpoenaed by Congress. The House Judiciary Committee is expected to hold a hearing on the issue on May 6.
On Wednesday, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) blamed the deadly 2007 collapse of a Minnesota bridge on “wasteful, unnecessary pork-barrel projects.” But after being rebuked by Minnesota leaders, including Sen. Norm Coleman (R-MN), McCain “backtracked somewhat” yesterday, saying that “he couldn’t be sure if redirected spending would have prevented the tragedy.”
Thousands of immigrants and their supporters turned out in several cities across the nation yesterday to hold “May Day” rallies, calling for an end to workplace raids and deportations. “We want a commitment from the three presidential candidates to pass humane immigration reform in the first 100 days in office,” said Christine Neumann-Ortiz, one of rally’s organizers.
Sen. John Warner (R-VA), “an early supporter of Sen. Jim Webb’s (D-VA) GI Bill,” said he’s “quite certain” Congress will pass the bill, but he hinted at changes ahead. “There’s a possibility that we might make some changes in the Webb bill…reflecting what I believe are some important points raised by other senators,” said Warner.
A $6-billion reading program, part of Bush’s No Child Left Behind program, “has failed to make a difference in how well children understand what they read, according to a study by the program’s own champion,” the Department of Education. “There was no difference in comprehension scores between students who participated in Reading First and those who did not.”
After having “spent years working school boards, with only minimal success,” critics of evolution are now “turning to a higher authority: state legislators.” “In a bid to shape biology lessons, they are promoting what they call ‘academic freedom’ bills that would encourage or require public-school teachers to cast doubt on a cornerstone of modern science” — the theory of evolution.
The Senate Armed Services Committee has approved language in a bill that would “require military contractors, like KBR Inc., to report sex crimes committed by or against their employees, and provide employee victims with assistance and protection.”
“Significant needs remain unmet” in treating soldiers with traumatic brain injury, according to a report released yesterday by the Veterans Affairs inspector general, which said many veterans “are not getting adequate healthcare and job assistance.” “Brain injuries have become the dominant wounds from the Iraq war, Pentagon and VA records show, but the Pentagon has been slow to react to the growing problem.”
“In what industry analysts are calling a first, about one in five vehicles sold in the United States was a compact or subcompact car during April,” compared to a decade ago, when only in in eight cars sold were compact. Rising gas prices are fueling the “dramatic shift,” analysts say.
And finally: Even the rich and famous are facing foreclosure. Former U.S. baseball star Jose Canseco, who retired in 2001, has admitted that he has “lost his California mansion to foreclosure — one of the first celebrities to publicly admit being a statistic in the U.S. housing crisis.” Canseco owed a bank more than $2.5 million on his 7,300 square-foot house located in a Los Angeles suburb. “I decided to just let it go, but in most cases and most families, they have nowhere else to go,” he said.
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Climate Change Could Force 1 Billion From Their Homes by 2050
As many as one billion people could lose their homes by 2050 because of the devastating impact of global warming, scientists and political leaders will be warned today.
Currently the status of refugees - defined as people escaping personal persecution by the state - is controlled by the Geneva Convention of 1951. The agreement, however, would not cover people who become homeless, or even stateless, because of changes to global weather patterns.
Full unedited article:
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:00 amhttp://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/04/30/8631/
Farm Broadcaster Ousted After Ripping Monsanto’s Goon Squads
Derry Brownfield of Missouri based broadcasting company Learfield fired after exposing Monsanto
On the April 16 show, Brownfield’s topic was seed industry concentration in America. Monsanto is the dominant player in the global seed industry and has a reputation for playing rough. On air, Brownfield quoted from a newly published Vanity Fair article titled “Monsanto’s Harvest of Fear” by Donald Barlett and James Steele.
Calling Monsanto’s patent enforcers goons was apparently the straw that broke this camel’s back. Brownfield is now unemployed.
Full unedited story:
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:01 amhttp://www.commondreams.org/ archive/ 2008/ 05/ 01/ 8634/ #comment-266456
REGULATORS TARGET CREDIT-CARD SHENANIGANS
Federal regulators are taking a stab at reining in “unfair and deceptive” bank tactics. The Office of Thrift Supervision has issued a proposed rule that would ban consumer-unfriendly credit card issuer practices like double-cycle billing and unfair interest rate hikes. Some unpopular bank overdraft fee policies would also be banned.
According to the Office of Thrift Supervision, the proposed rule would address seven different credit card abuses: unfair time periods for making payments; unfair payment allocations; unfair interest rate increases on outstanding balances; unfair fees from credit holds; unfair methods of computing balances; unfair security deposits; and deceptive offers of credit.
The rules would also require banks to allow consumers to opt out of courtesy overdraft protection, the source of many overdraft fees, and it would prevent banks from charging overdraft fees when money is “held” by banks during debit card authorizations.
“It’s about time federal regulators offered consumers some relief from unfair bank practices,” said Consumers Union Financial Services Campaign manager Gail Hillebrand. “This proposed rule finally acknowledges that some practices just aren’t fair. All the disclosure in the world can’t make it fair to send the bill too close to the due date; to raise the interest rate on money already borrowed: or to charge a fee for a problem caused by the bank’s practice to allow a credit hold or a debit hold.”
Rep Carolyn Maloney (D-N.Y.), who has proposed legislation with similar bans, welcomed the proposal but urged Congress to move forward with a new law anyway.
http://redtape.msnbc.com/ 2008/ 05/ federal-regulat.html#posts
Consumers were assessed over $17 Billion dollars in overdraft fees last year, part of the reason debit-card holds. This little known fact about holds will be eliminated. For example, if you purchase gasoline with your debit card, the gasoline company will pre-authorize for $50 to $100, (that debit card hold is there for several days) even though you have only purchased $10 of fuel. Double-Billing Cycles, that allow the card issuer to charge interest on some purchases made two months ago, will also be eliminated. Another fine way the banks have been putting the screws to the consumer..sarcasm off…
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:03 amGlobal warming a threat to sea life, study says
So-called ‘dead zones’ are expanding as oceans become warmer
WASHINGTON - Low-oxygen zones where sea life is threatened or cannot survive are growing as the oceans are heated by global warming, a new study warns.
Oxygen-depleted zones in the central and eastern equatorial Atlantic and equatorial Pacific oceans appear to have expanded over the last 50 years, researchers report in Friday’s edition of the journal Science.
Low-oxygen “dead zones” in the Gulf of Mexico and other areas also have been studied in recent years, raising concerns about the threat to sea life.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24412243/
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:04 amThis is a very tragic and serious problem…
On Wednesday, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) blamed the deadly 2007 collapse of a Minnesota bridge on “wasteful, unnecessary pork-barrel projects.” But after being rebuked by Minnesota leaders, including Sen. Norm Coleman (R-MN), McCain “backtracked somewhat” yesterday, saying that “he couldn’t be sure if redirected spending would have prevented the tragedy.”
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We’ve seen this dance before, and no doubt we will see it many, many times again. Make a bold statement, then backpedal frantically. Repeat.
I predict this routine will soon be called “doing the McCain.”
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:05 amThe Senate Armed Services Committee has approved language in a bill that would “require military contractors, like KBR Inc., to report sex crimes committed by or against their employees, and provide employee victims with assistance and protection.”
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This is well and good, and certainly a step in the right direction. But how about some consequences (such as jail time and a criminal record) for the people who actually perpetrate these crimes?
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:07 amBrain-injured vets still not getting proper care
WASHINGTON - Many Iraq war veterans with traumatic brain injury are not getting adequate health care and job assistance for their long-term recovery despite years of government pledges to do so, Veterans Affairs Department investigators say.
“Significant needs remain unmet,” according to the report released Thursday by the VA’s inspector general. It is the first to examine the Bush administration’s long-term efforts in supporting veterans with traumatic brain injury, a leading problem among soldiers struck by roadside bombs that often causes lasting emotional and behavioral difficulties.
The study tracked a group of 52 patients that received VA treatment after sustaining brain injury during a seven-month period in 2004. An initial review by the IG in 2006 found gaps in follow-up care and family counseling 16 months after the injury and urged the VA to improve long-term case management.
The VA pledged to coordinate the necessary follow-up care with the Pentagon, but the latest audit concludes that efforts are still falling short for roughly one in four patients.
It found that 10 of the 41 veterans who agreed to be interviewed said they weren’t getting needed help for health care, vocational rehabilitation, family support or housing. At least four patients specifically cited trouble in getting primary or specialty eye care, while others reported gaps with family counseling for problems such as depression and anger.
“While VA has made progress since the last investigation, the inspector general continues to find that too many veterans with TBI and their loved ones are not receiving all the assistance and support they need,” said Akaka, who chairs the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee. “This does not appear to be due to a lack of funding, but rather reflects a failure to give these veterans and their loved ones the priority attention they are due.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24407428/
After lastest investigation we still have too many vets that are not receiving the proper long term case management they require for TBI. Plus we have thousands of vets; that may be getting inadequate health care. The reason, the VA officials are not sure if their initial screenings are reliable. There is just no excuse that this is an ongoing problem..
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:07 amYesterday, Vice President Cheney’s office agreed to let chief of staff David Addington testify about the administration’s interrogation policies if he is subpoenaed by Congress.
Well, thanks, Big Dick. How patriotic of you to ‘allow’ a staff to testify under subpoena…what’s wrong with this picture? Cheney himself should be the one interrogated on the stand. This man has caused more trouble and aborted our Democracy on more occasions than we can count. Addington is part of the problem, but Big Dick’s got some ’splain’n to do.
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:08 amIsn’t Addington the one who went to Gitmo to watch torturing? This should be interesting.
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:08 amYesterday, Vice President Cheney’s office agreed to let chief of staff David Addington testify about the administration’s interrogation policies if he is subpoenaed by Congress.
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Anybody here want to apply for the job of Cheney’s Chief of Staff? The job is simple. Do whatever the boss tells you, and then whenever the heat gets too high, you get thrown under the bus to protect him. Libby, Addington — who’s next?
Cheney is the one I want strung up and delivered to the witness chair.
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:15 amThe Senate Armed Services Committee has approved language in a bill that would “require military contractors, like KBR Inc., to report sex crimes committed by or against their employees, and provide employee victims with assistance and protection.”
It’s about time; now are they going to start enforcing it with the previous cases already on record??? Those women shouldn’t be penalized or fall through the cracks because our government was too slow on the uptake to fix this ongoing problem…
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:17 amA $6-billion reading program, part of Cheney’s No Bush Left Behind program, “has failed to make a difference in how well Presidents understand what The Constitution and The Bill of Rights, according to a study by the program’s own champion,” the Department of Education. “There was no difference in comprehension scores between Nazi Chimp Presidents who read “My Pet Goat” and those who did not.”
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:18 am#5, Miss Molly: “We’ve seen this dance before.”
Democrats might start showing up at McCain’s appearances with top hats and little bags of sand, to facilitate his tap dance.
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:18 amFreedom Rebel Says:
Global warming a threat to sea life, study says
So-called ‘dead zones’ are expanding as oceans become warmer
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May 2nd, 2008 at 9:20 amThese dead zones are also caused by the run-off, of pesticides, which are oil based, on crops thoughout the middle of the country.
Since when do you need permission from your boss before you follow the law?
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:20 amCheney will “let” Addington testify if he’s subpoenaed?
To the rest of us mortals, if we were subpoenaed, we’d have to show up or go to jail.
McWarmonger states the bridge here in MN collapsed due to pork barrel spending.
As a proud Minnesotan, I submit the probable cause was a Republican governor who was too busy approving corporate tax breaks and gutting human services to actually spend money on infrastructure. Inspections showed strained & failing gusset plates as far back as ‘03. Nothing was done. In the meantime, a politician was appointed as commissioner of DOT. She knew absolutely nothing about transportation & related issues.
Who is this? Why, it’s Tim Pawlenty, rumored to be McCain’s pick for VP!
Timmy’s a good little Repuke, following McCain around like a lost puppy dog, hoping to get thrown a treat in June.
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:25 ammisshusseinmolly says at #6:
‘We’ve seen this dance before, and no doubt we will see it many, many times again. Make a bold statement, then backpedal frantically. Repeat.
I predict this routine will soon be called “doing the McCain.”’
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I think you may have something there! Are you listening Democratic party?
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:25 am#14 2MillionLightYearsToAndromeda Says:
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Freedom Rebel Says:
Global warming a threat to sea life, study says
So-called ‘dead zones’ are expanding as oceans become warmer
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These dead zones are also caused by the run-off, of pesticides, which are oil based, on crops thoughout the middle of the country.
They are not sure why around California there is such a big problem also. They are speculating it has to do with the current and the water temperature is too warm. I didn’t know that about the middle of the country. Thank you.. It makes perfect sense..
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:25 amHow did you celebrate Law Day?
By: Steve Benen @ 5:30 AM - PDT
As a rule, Law Day, a ceremonial holiday since 1958, goes by largely unnoticed. It was established as a Cold War counterpart to May 1, the biggest day on the socialist calendar. Ever since, presidents have issued proclamations that went by largely unnoticed and unread.
But Bush isn’t just any president, and respect for the rule of law over the last several years is not quite what it was. So, when the White House issued Bush’s Law Day proclamation yesterday morning, it was hard not to appreciate the irony.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:26 amBreak-ins plague targets of US Attorneys
MONTGOMERY, ALABAMA – In two states where US attorneys are already under fire for serious allegations of political prosecutions, seven people associated with three federal cases have experienced 10 suspicious incidents including break-ins and arson.
In neighboring Mississippi, a case brought against a trial lawyer and three judges raises even more disturbing questions. Of the four individuals in the same case, three of the US Attorney’s targets were the victims of crimes during their indictment or trial. This case, like that of Governor Siegelman, has been widely criticized as a politically motivated prosecution by a Bush US Attorney.
Full story:
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:31 amhttp://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/33172
But after being rebuked by Minnesota leaders, including Sen. Norm Coleman (R-MN), McCain “backtracked somewhat” yesterday, saying that “he couldn’t be sure if redirected spending would have prevented the tragedy.”
God I hope that some of this is making it into the MSM. McBush is a joke. Every day he says something stupid and the next day he either says he didn’t remember saying it or he takes it back. How any American with an IQ out of the room temperature range can even think of voting for McBush is beyond me.
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:31 amNow, the Vice-president’s offic says they will permit Addington to testify, but when the subpoena is issued they will change their minds.
Sorry, I don’t believe it. They’ll say the subpoena is too broad. They’ll say conditions have changed. At this point, talk is cheap. I ain’t buying it.
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:32 amAfter having “spent years working school boards, with only minimal success,” critics of evolution are now “turning to a higher authority: state legislators.” “In a bid to shape biology lessons, they are promoting what they call ‘academic freedom’ bills that would encourage or require public-school teachers to cast doubt on a cornerstone of modern science” — the theory of evolution.
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“Require” teachers to cast doubt on evolution? That doesn’t sound like “academic freedom” to me. Of course, “academic freedom” is just another meaningless warm fuzzy phrase designed to catapult the far-right propaganda — sort of like “family values”, “clear skies”, “patriot act”, “no child left behind”, etc.
On the other hand, if an “academic freedom” bill truly allowed teachers to teach what they wanted to without fear of reprisals, what’s to stop teachers from presenting other little nuggets that spring from their brains — such as the notion that some races are inferior to others?
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:32 amI can already predict Addington’s testimony:
“I don’t remember. I don’t recall. I have no memory of anything at all.”
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:33 amAND STILL NO MENTION OF DEBORAH JEANE PAULFREY’S “SUICIDE”.
What’s up TP???
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24408142
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:33 am“There’s a possibility that we might make some changes in the Webb bill…reflecting what I believe are some important points raised by other senators,” said Warner.
God I hope that Webb doesn’t cave on this important bill. Every time Webb does something courageous and I think I admire him, he does something equally as uncourageous that makes me mad at him.
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:33 amFarm Broadcaster Ousted After Ripping Monsanto’s Goon Squads
Could someone please explain that pesky democracy thang to me one more time.
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:33 amA $6-billion reading program, part of Bush’s No Child Left Behind program, “has failed to make a difference in how well children understand what they read, according to a study by the program’s own champion,” the Department of Education.
Well darn. I guess making Neil Bush very rich didn’t actually do anything productive for the school children. Who would have thunk it?
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:34 am“In a bid to shape biology lessons, they are promoting what they call ‘academic freedom’ bills that would encourage or require public-school teachers to cast doubt on a cornerstone of modern science” — the theory of evolution.
And this is one good reason to vote Democratic on the state level too.
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:35 amPolice seek owner in Craiglist rental dispute
http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/ci_9120411?source=rss_viewed
http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/ci_9121681?source=rss_viewed
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:36 amno child left behind? bush is gonna show people how to sorta like read more better-ish, yeh right…
http://www.phatbenetar.com
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:36 amAny surprise? Bush teaching children how to read is like a penguin trying to teach other birds how to fly.
“Is our children learning?” - George W. Bush
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:36 am“Brain injuries have become the dominant wounds from the Iraq war, Pentagon and VA records show, but the Pentagon has been slow to react to the growing problem.”
In past wars many of these people with brain injuries would have died. Modern medical science is saving their lives and that is why the death rate in Iraq is lower than one would expect. So why bother to save their lives if we are not going to meet our obligations to take care of them.
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:37 amThe Evolution of the Republican Party is going as planned…
backwards.
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:37 amleftright, the problem with your bullshit scare tactics is that without the illegals, we all starve. without being orrered jobs, they wouldn’t be here. take on the employers, and you solve the problem. but you won’t do that, will you? because the employers are greedy, lawbreaking republican-run corporations.
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:38 amShouldn’t this read, “Yesterday, Vice President Cheney’s office agreed to let chief of staff David Addington lie aboute the administration’s interrogation policies if he is subpoenaed by Congress?
Just sayin’
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:42 amO.K. Do you guys think Paulfrey really offed herself???
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:42 amMay 2nd, 2008 at 9:43 am
robertoroberto says:
You know, maybe now that they’ve just lost all this money through a finacial settlement they might actually try and FIX everything that’s broken BEFORE a national disaster occurs.
Great idea. The problem is we have a REPUBLICAN Governor!
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:46 amElitist Blueprint For World Government Revealed
A new book written by a leading globalist luminary provides a blueprint for how 6,000 elitists plan to completely end national sovereignty, impose a system of global governance, and how they will deal with an international network of people that resist their agenda.
Superclass: The Global Power Elite and the World They Are Making is a manifesto for how the elite plan to shape the course of the planet and impose a new world order while combating the inevitable “global network of antiglobalists” who will rise up against it.
The author of the book, David J. Rothkopf, is a visiting scholar at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and has previously served as the Deputy Undersecretary of Commerce for International Trade during the administration of Bill Clinton before he became managing director of Kissinger and Associates in January 1996.
A Salon.com review alarmingly details the brazen premise of Rothkopf’s book - a global elite now run the planet and have usurped the power of national governments while ensuring laws constrained by borders are all but obsolete.
Read the rest:
http://blacklistednews.com/view.asp?ID=6431
**There is nothing these people won’t do to finish off the rest of us and crown themselves rulers of the world.
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:46 amSo, is the next stop The Hague, David? Or should it be Nuremberg?
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:47 amWhen they say “academic freedom” they mean freedom from anything vaguely academic. Faith based biology, to go with other conservative principles like faith based foreign policy and faith based ballot counting.
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:49 amOMG. There wasn’t a bill to enforce this already? SERIOUSLY What the H E L L is wrong with these people? If i saw a sex crime happening on the street, i could be arrested for not reporting it. Why do these corporations have such power to begin with? Thank you ThinkProgress for truly disturbing me this morning.
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:49 ammcwars - are YOU in pasadena?
my son lives there… i’m planning a visit soon… not sure when - depends on the weather… any suggestions?
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:50 amspecialist f - my first reaction to the paulfrey “suicide” was disbelief…
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:53 amnot so sure after hearing more stories… especially the 911 call from her mother… i dunno… i DO hope that diary is safe - and gets printed soon…
…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ 2008/ 05/ 01/ clinton-camp-gas-plan-she_n_99643.html
Sound familiar? We don’t need another President who ignores the advice of experts or who cherry-picks the experts to listen to.
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:53 amWhat did we miss?……Dock worker’s walked off the job and marched against the war…..From California to Washington worker’s closed down the dock’s….
What’s with no coverage about that….Maybe this will be just another day of 6 thread;s about mcinsane….Blessings
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:55 ammisshusseinmolly Says:
We’ve seen this dance before, and no doubt we will see it many, many times again. Make a bold statement, then backpedal frantically. Repeat.
I predict this routine will soon be called “doing the McCain.”
I like that, “doing the McCain”. Unfortunately most of the country doesn’t see it because the MSM isn’t reporting his daily gaffes.
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:55 amYeah, and did you hear, grass is GREEN! GREEN DARN IT!
This global elite are what’s called “corporations.” They are running everyone in the presidential race right now (no matter what the candidates say). They, through the provisions set out under the SPP will eventually erase all American borders in order to allow the free passage of goods and people. This, they hope will lead to more profits. But what is actually happening is that people are noticing and actually reverting to nationalism, which in turn is molding with corporatism through the use of mainstream media to form what is the beginnings of facsism. Now, can we get back to talk about Jeremiah Wright please? All these ism’s are making my tiny, freedom loving brain hurt. I need some pointless gossip!
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:55 am#21 2MillionLightYearsToAndromeda Says:
Break-ins plague targets of US Attorneys
The break-ins and other crimes reak of intimidation tactics by Karl Rove.
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:57 amleftnut,
A number of those here illegally and without the usual H.S. dimploma, once they acquire citizenship, can earn that equivalency certificate and go to community colleges for technical coursework or a transfer program. It’s called a democratic society, look it up.
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:59 amIllegal Immigration Costs New Yorkers More Than $5 Billion a Year
And Illegal Immigration makes New Yorkers more than $10 billion a year. Imagine what would happen to the tourist industry in New York (or any other state with tourists in the US) if every undocumented worker walked off the job tomorrow?
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:00 amIllegal Immigration Costs New Yorkers More Than $5 Billion a Year
Anyone else think the first nations tribes should ask all residents of American for THEIR legal documents? We’d probably need a native American member of congress first. But i’d find it HILARIOUS if that happened. Reminds me of that White Stripes line :
“Hey American, got nothing better to do? Why don’t you kick yourselves out, you’re an immigrant too!”
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:04 amWhat did we miss.? You missed the dock worker’s shutting down the port’s from Calif. to Wash in protest to the war…..
You missed the trucker’s hitting the road and threatening to park their rig;s if they don’t get relief on the high cost of diesel….
More is getting ignored than reported at TP these day’s….Maybe haveing so many thread’s about mcnut case is affecting the ability to keep Thinking Progressively..Blessings
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:06 amIllegal immigration costs American taxpayers $346 billion annually and, besides the well-documented areas of education, jail and medical care, the money is being spent on manpower for overwhelmed government agencies charged with combating the crisis.
Undocumented immigrants make American Taxpayers $700 billion annually.
Last time I looked I didn’t see “overwhelmed” governments dealing with undocumented workers.
Someone needs to take a chill pill. It is about ready to burst a blood vein in it’s tiny brain.
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:06 amSorry for the double post….
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:08 amWitch1 Says:
More is getting ignored than reported at TP these day’s….Maybe haveing so many thread’s about mcnut case is affecting the ability to keep Thinking Progressively..Blessings
That’s because there is no room for anything other than McBush and Feith. A new visitor to this blog wouldn’t even know that there are two other candidates running for President. It is really a disgrace. About the only time I spend here these days is mornings over my coffee before I go to work. The rest of the time I spend at places like the Huffington Post and Daily Kos where they actually report what’s going on in the presidential race and in the world in general.
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:08 am#
katy Says:
mcwars - are YOU in pasadena?
my son lives there… i’m planning a visit soon… not sure when - depends on the weather… any suggestions?
I’m sorry katy, I was scouring the news as usual when I came across the immigration rally coverage and found that story on the same page. I don’t live in California, but I’m sure the weather’s perfect!
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:09 am>Yesterday, Vice President Cheney’s office
>agreed to let
>chief of staff David Addington testify
ah yeees..just like Rove’s lawyer said he w0ould be happy to testify..oh! except for the little problem that Bush, whose OBVIOUSLY calling all the shots, will be the one to invoke “executive privledge”…watch for a repeat on this one also…
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:10 amI notice that the quality of trolls here hasn’t changed much. This one sounds very familiar. Problem is, I can’t remember which moniker it reminds me of, there have been so many lately. It pretty much shows that the Republicans are in panic mode.
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:11 amBarack Obama plans to increase our efforts in Afghanistan and possibly broaden the war on terror into Pakistan:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/ 2007/ 08/ 01/ obama-would-take-war-on-terror-into-pakistan/
Although, it seems that our chances of addressing those responsible for 9/11 (bin laden) would seem to be better under a more intense and focused effort there, it would also seem to require the continued burden on our military and probably increase troop and civilian causualties.
Do the progressives that oppose the causalties and poor, overworked conditions of our troops in Iraq, agree with Obama that we should increase our efforts in Afghanistan and possibly widen the scope of the war into Pakistan?
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:14 amSo more trouble with No Child Left Behind? There really is no problem: just find out which contractors won the lion’s share of the $6 BILLION pork which the reading program cost and you’ll know why it happened in the first place. America, the land of crony corruption…and they really thought they could convince us it was for the children. Shameless scoundrels.
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:14 amrightsheep,
If you don’t want the illegals here, complain to the employers luring them. Don’t complain to us about it.
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:16 amUmm.. listen, any clinton fans.. i apologize. but seriously.. this will tear clinton down if it gets out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN_nQOHj__s&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/ storyonly/ 2008/ 5/ 2/ 93316/ 53926/ 838/ 507664
note : some bad language in link, however it is EXTREMELY relevant to today’s democractic battle.
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:16 am> Iran files protest at UN
> over Hillary Clinton’s ‘obliterate’
Ugh..I never had strong feelings abotu hilary clinton one way or the other, but lately this lady is really really starting to invoke feelings of pathological hatred in me. Somehow I see her as constantly seething and full of venom that Obama is beating her, as if shes owed the nomination just because her last name is CLinton. And yes, there by the recently very outspoken Mr. Wright’s side is one of her goons, probably slipping valium or some other anti-anxiety meds in his drink before his speeches.. I’ve taken too much anti-anxiety medication before and seen others do so as well, and Wrights overly entertaining ramblings had all the hallmarks of someone whose feeling unnaturally effusive..
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:17 amOn Wednesday, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) blamed the deadly 2007 collapse of a Minnesota bridge on “wasteful, unnecessary pork-barrel projects.”
And yet McCain wants to further deplete the funding for infrastructure by repealing the gas tax over the summer, a move which will transfer money from the government’s Highway Trust Fund to the oil company’s bank accounts.
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:19 amBack at ya Bilbo, I’m not here much either…Was a little yesterday but not planning on much in the future…Constant thread’s about mc nut’s and neglecting lot’s of other new’s of importance has nutered the site…Have a great day at work…Blessings
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:21 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:55 am
I like that, “doing the McCain”. Unfortunately most of the country doesn’t see it because the MSM isn’t reporting his daily gaffes.
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OK, I think I got the dance steps. Because poetry really isn’t my thing, everyone else is invited to add their own verses. Here goes (and do your stretching exercise before attempting these acrobatics):
First you put your foot out in a big bold stride
Then you back up quickly with a twist to the side
Boldly dance around and make a big loud roar
Then shuffle back and sidestep like you’ve always done before
Doin’ the McCain, yeah, doin’ the McCain
Doin’ the McCain, yeah, doin’ the McCain
Take a principled position on an issue of the day
Then flip and flop it lest the wingnuts you betray
Claim to be a maverick to show that you are free
Then fall in line and lose your spine to Bush’s GOP
Doin’ the McCain, yeah, doin’ the McCain
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:23 amDoin’ the McCain, yeah, doin’ the McCain
Backedupsays:
You aren’t the sharpest tool in the shed,are ya??? Gee, do you think if we had concentrated on OBL and Afghanistan we might have got the job done quickly??? But,NOOOO chimpster got distracted with Eyerack which had nothing to do with 9-11 and fubared EVERYTHING! I know it’s been explained several times to you, but I don’t think anything will ever sink in.
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:28 amI love it!! #71 MM
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:28 am>NASA Confirms Natural Climate Shift
ah..yes, it got colder somewhere in the world, ergo there is nothing to global warming. we can tell those polar bears to they can stop drowning now…
this link brought to you by the hacks at the ironically named “american thinker”
http://www.sourcewatch.org/ index.php?title=American_Thinker
There is ample evidence to support the notion that AT serves as part of the right wing’s echo chamber.
A good example of this can be found in a December 5th, 2007 piece on the National Intelligence Estimate report on the state of Iran’s Nuclear weapon’s program.[1]
Writer Ed Lasky first refers to an Editorial in the New York Sun inferring that the intelligence community is against President Bush.[2] Lasky concludes that “the National Intelligence Estimate was cooked up by bureaucrats eager to embarrass George Bush and transform US policy towards Iran.” To substantiate his argument he goes on to quote an editorial from the Wall Street Journal[3] which avers the authors of the NIE study are: “former State Department officials with previous reputations that should lead one to doubt their conclusions. All three are ex-bureaucrats who, as is generally true of State Department types, favor endless rounds of negotiation and “diplomacy” and oppose confrontation. These three officials, according to the Wall Street Journal, have ‘reputations as hyper-partisan anti-Bush officials’.” This statement “Hyper-partisan anti-Bush officials”, restated as fact in the AT article, is quoted and requoted by rightwing blogs and news sources throughout the media.[4][5][6]
Ultimately this type of statement winds up being echoed by mainstream pundits such as Rush Limbaugh
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:29 amleftright. I think it is possible this is true. If we have a long term warming trend, it could be masked by a shorter term, naturally occurring cold trend.
I don’t really know if, or how significant, the longer term warming trend is, but I would argue this:
Most of the climate change initiatives seem good for the planet (regardless if they affect the Earth’s temperature). Let’s support those initiatives that have little negative economic impact. Let’s commit to making personal changes, that are more Earth friendly. Let’s support alternative energy sources (there might be new economic opportunities).
But, let us also resist the temptation to rush into ill conceived policy, with little or no environmental benefit, but significant economic implications.
Case in point: ethanol (thanks to republicans and democrats, alike). It was sold as an alternative that could reduce our reliance on foreign oil and also produced less co2 emissions. It would help reduce global warming. (In reality, it was pork for the farm lobby).
Regardless how noble the case for climate change initiatives, I think we all have to be wary of politicians (R or D) using the issue to promote policies that may not be in our best interests.
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:29 ambackup Says
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:14 am
Do the progressives that oppose the causalties and poor, overworked conditions of our troops in Iraq, agree with Obama that we should increase our efforts in Afghanistan and possibly widen the scope of the war into Pakistan?
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While I can’t speak for all progressives, I can say that I support any effort to bring bin Laden to justice. I recognize that American military personnel can get injured and killed with this endeavor, I see the situation as being far different from our efforts in Iraq.
When Obama says he wants to go into Pakistan, he’s not talking about invading the entire country, executing any regime change, or moderating a civil war. He’s talking about taking out Al Qaeda camps that happen to fall within Pakistan’s borders. And as far as increasing our efforts in Afghanistan, this would also be with the objective of bringing to justice those responsible for 9/11. Which is what we should have been doing all along.
We need to do this with a plan and with focused precision, unlike what we’ve done in Iraq. And we need to do this before our military is broken completely.
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:31 ammisshusseinmolly Says:
Take a principled position on an issue of the day
Then flip and flop it lest the wingnuts you betray
Claim to be a maverick to show that you are free
Then fall in line and lose your spine to Bush’s GOP
High speed internet connection: 60 dollars
Comfortable office chair: 150 dollars
Starbucks venti latte: 4 dollars
Miss Molly doing the McCain: PRICELESS
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:31 am>agree with Obama that we should increase our efforts in >Afghanistan and possibly widen the scope of the war into >Pakistan?
Sure why not, count me, backedup. At least that would have some point other than sending our soldiers to die to protect the IRaqis right to throw VIP welcoming parties for Iranian leaders..
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:36 amspecialist f - I also am not sure what to make of it, but, as seen on the web site accessed through the disturbing link provided above by ‘as the beat go on’, there’s this:
‘During several recent appearances on The Alex Jones Show, Palfrey also said that she was at risk of being killed and that authorities would make it look like suicide. She made it clear that she was not suicidal and if she was found dead it would be murder.
Palfrey had threatened to release the names of well-known clients of her upscale call girl ring in the nation’s capitol, and had indicated that Dick Cheney may be one of them.’
http://blacklistednews.com/view.asp?ID=6430
Also, in this link, about her mother’s call to 911, there’s this:
‘Blanche Palfrey says there didn’t appear to be an indication her daughter was going to take her life.’
So, who knows?
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:37 amleftwright reminds me of that “Mostly Neutered Female” guy thas was around a few weeks ago, boasting about how we’ve managed to give iraqi children backpacks after only spending a few trillion dollars..
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:38 amWhat shoes do you wear when doing ‘the McCain’?
FLIP-FLOPS
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:38 amWhat did we miss?
McCain’s proposal to kick Russia out of G-8 is bold and unlikely
By Matt Stearns and Warren P. Strobel, McClatchy Newspapers
WASHINGTON — John McCain dropped a little-noticed bombshell into his March foreign-policy address: Boot Russia from the G-8, the elite club of leading industrial democracies whose leaders try to coordinate economic policies.
One major problem: He can’t do it because the other G-7 nations won’t let him.
But the fact that he’s proposing to try, risking a return to Cold War tensions with the world’s second-largest nuclear power after 20 years of prickly partnership, raises questions about McCain’s judgment.
http://news.yahoo.com/ s/ mcclatchy/ 20080501/ wl_mcclatchy/ 2927033;_ylt=AnsbOEdDqV8q.Jbij2JfF.Ks0NUE
I expect him to deny this momentarily.
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:38 amrobertoroberto.
Wow, I think you’re right, this could be very damaging to Clinton.
I almost feel sorry for politicians because there are so many skeletons in their closets they have to manage (almost, but not).
I think the only chance Clinton has is, hope that this video doesn’t get any play, or hope that Clinton’s relationship with Kantor has weakened substantially since the 90’s.
Doesn’t look good for Hillary.
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:40 am>‘Blanche Palfrey says there didn’t appear to be an >indication her daughter was going to take her life.’
weirrd.. I read about it on cnn.com and the article seemed to go out of its way to stress she was suicidal…then again, cnn is nothing but Faux news lite these days, some of the articles are typical right wing hackjobs..such as “Obama: I was terrible” (of course if you read the article, you see hes talking about his bowling skills)
Someone needs to get Palfreys client list. Its out there, the lady must have had brains enough to put copies someplace safe..
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:41 am>and had indicated that Dick Cheney may be one of them.
The energy I get radiating from Cheney, I peg him as a serious scataphile…when I heard he was a possible client, my first thought was “a woman? she must look like nancy reagan..in diapers”…
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:44 ammissmolly. (and Chocolate Jesus, too.) I agree with you. I was/am curious where most progressives stand. I was unsure if most were anti-war or mainly just anti Iraq war.
Good post.
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:44 am>I think the only chance Clinton has is,
> hope that this video
>doesn’t get any play
It wont. Even though she wont win, the media loves her damaging obama so shes got a pass. Shes better than a republican but shes for sale just like they are,..
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:45 amspecialist f Says:
O.K. Do you guys think Paulfrey really offed herself???
oh yeah, sure she did. tied her own hands behind her back and put three in the back of her head. happens all the time…
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:46 amL. Hussein Annie Says:
But the fact that he’s proposing to try, risking a return to Cold War tensions with the world’s second-largest nuclear power after 20 years of prickly partnership, raises questions about McCain’s judgment.
I expect him to deny this momentarily.
I wonder if he even knows what year this is.
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:46 am> I was unsure if most were anti-war
> or mainly just anti Iraq
> war.
you’re going to get both dude…left wing people are very unmonolithic and often have very complex, nuanced views…my personal opinion is that war is essentially a business, one i find extremely distasteful, and one which a majority of the world should be intelligent enough to avoid whenever possible. i do not pretend to be wise enough to know exactly how one defines a “just war” but I know an unjust one when i see it..
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:48 amI certainly think this will be picked up by the mainstream media, it’s just now a matter of time before Clinton comes out to reject him. I have some doubts though about whether he really said that bit at the end of the video. Having watched it a few times, it’s hard to tell.
I found it on DailyKos, it might all turn out to be a hoax just yet, i just thought i’d put it here for everyone to decide.
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:49 amrobertorobeto.
You’re be reasonable, but it doesn’t look good.
I looked at that clip again.
It says that Kantor is an advisor in Clinton’s campaign (’08).
If it is true, she’s going to have to boot him. Probably today. It would be horrible timing for her. I guess that’s why it just hit.
Thanks.
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:53 amBackup: take your condescension and shove it where the sun don’t shine. Pat someone else on the head. We don’t need your approval. Nor do we give a flying fig what you think.
If you EVER bothered to truly read and comprehend the things we say all day, every day here, you would KNOW where we stand.
Instead, you simply repeat ad infinitum (and definitely ad nauseum!) your silly rightwing talking points that we progressives are mindless unthinking sheep bleating against war, any war, against Republicans, any Republicans.
I have to say, your crappy little, “Ooh, look! What a smart little progressive!” offends the hell out of me.
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:54 amAny one know the stat’s on suicide’s…If I remember correctly few women hang or shoot themselve’s..Pill’s or poison are the prefered choice for women..Interesting huh?……..Blessings
May 2nd, 2008 at 10:58 amAnd from the Mass Media watch last night:
NBC news had a blur about Hillary finally tied Obama in national polls…because she was within the MOE for the poll…
Whilst the CBS poll showed Obama still ahead by 8 % points.
Democratic Candidate
Date 4/25-29 4/25-28
Pollster …….CBS ..NBC
Barack Obama …46% ..46%
Hillary Clinton 38% ..43%
Other(vol.) ….14% 11%
May 2nd, 2008 at 11:01 amFurther info on the clinton clip. It’s from a documentary called “the war room.” to be honest, i’ve seen full footage and it actually does sound like he says the racist part. It might just be my ears, but i mean, this is devastating to the clinton campaign.
Here is the completely unedited footage for some context:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_wKOgMNs0U&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/ story/ 2008/ 5/ 2/ 93316/ 53926/ 838/ 507664
The important part starts around 4 mins in. And the quote is at 4.40, you can decide for yourself what he says. It sounds pretty damning to me.
May 2nd, 2008 at 11:02 amI agree with this sentiment. I also agree it’s hard to decipher what a ‘just war’ is.
I give Bush a pass on Iraq that most here aren’t willing to(because I feel he was acting on information that many believed at the time and with a post 9/11 urgency that has since abated. I know we disagree).
That being said, in retrospect, we had more time in Iraq. Saddam didn’t have the WMD most thought were there and were concerned about. We rushed into war in Iraq, alienated allies, and missed potential opportunities to solve the issue without war. And suffered the opportunity cost to more readily engage the issues in Afghanistan (and possibly Pakistan).
May 2nd, 2008 at 11:04 amHillary sez Obama’s an elitist, but you can judge for yourself:
“Rich people, god bless us. We deserve all the opportunities to make sure our country and our blessings continue to the next generation.”
May 2nd, 2008 at 11:05 amAnnie. Point taken. I’ll work on it.
May 2nd, 2008 at 11:07 amAnnie. My goal isn’t to upset you. Although you seem confident that progressives are of a like mind on the effort in Afghanistan, I’ll bet there are more differing opinions here than you might expect.
May 2nd, 2008 at 11:14 amBackup: Obviously you didn’t read what I said. I shall rephrase: I don’t give a damn what you think.
I’m sick of you righties endlessly defending, justifying and apologizing for the indefensible, morally bankrupt, corrupt and murderous Bush administration.
Your very presence here offends the HELL out of me. You ought to be ashamed of yourself - to the point where you are too embarrassed to flaunt your soullessness in the presence of sane people.
May 2nd, 2008 at 11:20 am“There’s a possibility that we might make some changes in the Webb bill…reflecting what I believe are some important points raised by other senators,” said Warner.
Now, what are the chances the points are those of McIIIrd?
May 2nd, 2008 at 11:21 amYou ought to be ashamed of yourself - to the point where you are too embarrassed to flaunt your soullessness in the presence of sane people.
No shit.
May 2nd, 2008 at 11:24 amI won’t address you any more. If you see my post, please feel free to ignore them.
But, if you change your mind, I would love to engage you in the future.
May 2nd, 2008 at 11:24 am>I’m sick of you righties endlessly defending, justifying
these days I’m just surprised to even find one who can do it in complete sentences that havent been lifted from Wall Street Journal Editorials or Rush Limpballz transcripts
May 2nd, 2008 at 11:26 amCheck out this clip. It dovetails very neatly with robertoroberto’s clips at #67 & #96, considering the involvement of George Stephanopoulos in both instances.
‘Neocon Hillary wants LEAGUE OF DEMOCRACY LIKE MCCAIN ????’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXZBlT0N-B8
At the very end of the clip:
Rachel Maddow, acknowledging Pat Buchanan’s concern over Hillary’s words too:
“This is one of those moments when Pat takes a right turn that takes him so far right it ends up hitting me as I take my left turn and we go smacking into each other in terms of being afraid of a presidential proposal like this.”
Keith Olbermann:
May 2nd, 2008 at 11:33 am“And then we all go out and have a shot and a beer.”
look like another high priced sex provider related to the madam died in a similar manner last year…
http://www.infowars.com/?p=1872
if the dems were really interested in stirrign things up they should have put this lady in a safehouse somewhere and started digging through her client list…
May 2nd, 2008 at 11:35 amGuys? who care honestly. This is the breaking news that we should be discussing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN_nQOHj__s&eurl=http://www.dailykos.com/ story/ 2008/ 5/ 2/ 93316/ 53926/ 838/ 507664
May 2nd, 2008 at 11:37 amHonestly, this country doesn’t have its legal priorities straight when a woman is pushed into suicide for running a paid consensual sex ring. I don’t even care that there were right-wingers as paid clients, congress needs to do away with this and the war on drugs.
May 2nd, 2008 at 11:41 amabout one in five vehicles sold in the United States was a compact or subcompact car during April,” compared to a decade ago, when only in in eight cars sold were compact.
You don’t even have to go that small to make a difference.
Just get rid of the stupid-shit SUV’s.
Unless you’re critically obese, who the fcuk needs a 8000lb vehicle to drive around the city?
Stupid is as stupid does.
May 2nd, 2008 at 11:42 amOverheard on the Stephanie Miller show this morning:
An email is circulating accusing Obama of backing a terrorist organization in Kenya that seeks to overthrow the Kenyan goverment.
Boy, I’d love it if Obama were to get the text of that email, and read it at his next presser.
May 2nd, 2008 at 11:43 amThere wouldn’t need to be any disclaimer, just highlight the depths to which the ‘opposition’ has sunk.
robertoroberto - and they’re trying to paint Obama as elitist! Gimme a break. I heard on MSNBC (Morning with Joe or whatever it’s called) yesterday that Obama is the Starbucks candidate and Hillary is the McDonald’s candidate, apparently trying to reinforce the perception that Obama doesn’t relate to the typical American.
Meanwhile, yesterday at work, the Clinton supporters both went out at one point to Starbucks for their $4 coffees while I, the Obama supporter, stayed behind to heat up my leftovers!
May 2nd, 2008 at 11:43 amMadams Fall While Their Johns Prosper
D.C. Madam’s Suicide Shows Great Discrepancy Between Men and Women When It Comes to How Prostitution Is Punished
By MADDY SAUER
May 2, 2008—
http://abcnews.go.com/ Blotter/ story?id=4768815&page=1
imagine that…
May 2nd, 2008 at 11:44 am…
backup Says:
I won’t address you any more. If you see my post, please feel free to ignore them.
But, if you change your mind, I would love to engage you in the future.
Which is what distinguishes you from the Progressives here who care deeply about their country and the direction that neoconservative and religous ideologues have dragged it. Unlike you, we’re not here to entertain ourselves with sophomoric “but what if”, phony even-handed comments.
You haven’t demonstrated that you’ve learned a single thing while posting here. Go play with someone else.
May 2nd, 2008 at 11:49 amaudio clips of Palfrey stating she was not suicidal..
http://prisonplanet.com/audio/010508palfrey.mp3
May 2nd, 2008 at 11:52 amI the elitest tag is hilarious quite frankly. Aren’t all of these candidates ‘elite’ by definition? They’re PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES! Sidenote : Why is it that Obama has to both prove that he is neither too white nor too black?
When has Obama EVER, other than his speech on race, talked about an African-American issue?
How often does Hilary use the fact that she’s a woman? Virtually every speech she gives talks about the “glass ceiling”….
Quite frankly, if you’re a presidential candidate, it seems like you might have already broken that particular ceiling Hil’.
Anyway, i hope that clip gets as much play as the JW clips did. I think it’s actually more relevant to the debate.
May 2nd, 2008 at 11:52 amWhat an awesome find Roberto.
I don’t want any f ucking smug Clintons back in the White House. I can say that because we’ve got Obama now.
And George Stephanopoulous (like I give two shits about the spelling) is a Clinton whore like the rest of ‘em.
Clinton supporters, you’re being played. Do you want Mickey Kantor, that foul-mouthed shit, as WH CoS or appointed to some other major position?
But Hillary’s motivation for blocking Obama’s path is, “if we had Republican rules in the nominating process, I’d already be the nominee.”
No more f ucking dynasties.
May 2nd, 2008 at 12:00 pmObama’s the elitist, yet he recently finished paying off student loans.
Go figure.
May 2nd, 2008 at 12:02 pmMy new moniker for the Republican nominee, McIIIrd.
May 2nd, 2008 at 12:24 pmSo I guess most of us aren’t buying the Paulfrey “suicide”.
May 2nd, 2008 at 12:25 pmThat’s what I like about most folk here…WE’RE NOT SHEEPLE!
> So I guess most of us aren’t
> buying the Paulfrey “suicide”.
On Beltane, nonetheless..sending a message.the people running the world these days are extremely creepy and im convinced, into the most sinister aspects of the occult…
May 2nd, 2008 at 12:30 pmCJ, how many are members of “Bohemian Grove”.
Tin foil hat on! ;)
May 2nd, 2008 at 12:46 pmrobertoroberto:
“I the elitest tag is hilarious quite frankly. Aren’t all of these candidates ‘elite’ by definition? They’re PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES!”
I like the way Jon Stewart put it best, not that I remember it word for word (and I couldn’t find it on youtube) but he said that he HOPED that the Presidential candidates are smarter and better than him!
May 2nd, 2008 at 12:48 pmhttp://ap.google.com/ article/ ALeqM5h1×4a_tAaBUIIB94OXIkkV3R3a_wD90D18SG1
“I am sure as heck am not going to be going to federal prison for one day, let alone, you know, four to eight years here, because I’m shy about bringing in the deputy secretary of whatever,” Palfrey told ABC last year when she released phone records that revealed some of her clients. “Not for a second. I’ll bring every last one of them in if necessary.”
May 2nd, 2008 at 12:50 pmChocolate Jesus & Specialist F:
‘The contents of the suicide notes have not been made public. Also, police found Palfrey’s journal. It, too, remains confidential.’
Wonder what the chances are of that journal ever being seen?
May 2nd, 2008 at 12:53 pmLast year, Palfrey said she, too, was humiliated by her prostitution charges, but said: “I guess I’m made of something that Brandy Britton wasn’t made of.”
Doesn’t sound like someone contemplating suicide? She also let it be known that she might be “suicided” and that when it happened not to fall for it.
May 2nd, 2008 at 12:57 pm