Comments on: Kurtz: Media won’t cover Pentagon propaganda ‘because they are embarrassed.’ http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/kurtz-media-won%e2%80%99t-cover-pentagon-propaganda-%e2%80%98because-they-are-embarrassed%e2%80%99/ Wed, 25 Nov 2009 05:45:24 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Max-1 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/kurtz-media-won%e2%80%99t-cover-pentagon-propaganda-%e2%80%98because-they-are-embarrassed%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-4946090 Max-1 Tue, 06 May 2008 04:52:28 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/kurtz-media-won%e2%80%99t-cover-pentagon-propaganda-%e2%80%98because-they-are-embarrassed%e2%80%99/#comment-4946090 . Since when is PROPAGANDA embarrassing? . .

Since when is PROPAGANDA embarrassing?

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]]> By: Max-1 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/kurtz-media-won%e2%80%99t-cover-pentagon-propaganda-%e2%80%98because-they-are-embarrassed%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-4946088 Max-1 Tue, 06 May 2008 04:51:10 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/kurtz-media-won%e2%80%99t-cover-pentagon-propaganda-%e2%80%98because-they-are-embarrassed%e2%80%99/#comment-4946088 . ABCNNBCBS&FOXPRAVDA are embarrassed? What ever for... hiring shills? . .

ABCNNBCBS&FOXPRAVDA are embarrassed?

What ever for… hiring shills?

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]]> By: questioneverything http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/kurtz-media-won%e2%80%99t-cover-pentagon-propaganda-%e2%80%98because-they-are-embarrassed%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-4945982 questioneverything Tue, 06 May 2008 02:01:11 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/kurtz-media-won%e2%80%99t-cover-pentagon-propaganda-%e2%80%98because-they-are-embarrassed%e2%80%99/#comment-4945982 One wonders why their ratings are going down, down, down. They are irrelevant. People don't have time for this crap. And the networks are possibly paid to do the bidding of this administration. Or at least bribed to do so or lose their access. Follow the money and find many guilty parties. Are there any reporters out there, making 6-8 figures, who know how to ask the questions that need to be asked of the people who know the truth? Howard Kurtz isn't one of them, obviously. One wonders why their ratings are going down, down, down. They are irrelevant. People don’t have time for this crap. And the networks are possibly paid to do the bidding of this administration. Or at least bribed to do so or lose their access. Follow the money and find many guilty parties. Are there any reporters out there, making 6-8 figures, who know how to ask the questions that need to be asked of the people who know the truth? Howard Kurtz isn’t one of them, obviously.

]]> By: Badger http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/kurtz-media-won%e2%80%99t-cover-pentagon-propaganda-%e2%80%98because-they-are-embarrassed%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-4945804 Badger Tue, 06 May 2008 00:06:14 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/kurtz-media-won%e2%80%99t-cover-pentagon-propaganda-%e2%80%98because-they-are-embarrassed%e2%80%99/#comment-4945804 Our local NPR station broadcasts the BBC overnite, as well as some CBC programs (Canada). They also sometimes swap reporters covering stories on the ground. In my opinion , the Best on the ground reporting these days ,is on the RADIO. Our local PBS station , during their pledge week, is reairing the Frontline Program "Bush's War". If the information contained in this excellent program were actually presented to the American Public WHEN It OCCURRED....Bush would never have stampeded America into invading Iraq...and America would have avoided the fiasco that is occuring. Free Speech TV, with Amy Goodman, has also done some Excellent work. Their program linking US Business ties to Nazi Germany, IBM in Particular, was a real eye opener. I guess my point is ,that We no longer Need to rely on the Corporate Media. Our local NPR station broadcasts the BBC overnite, as well as some CBC programs (Canada). They also sometimes swap reporters covering stories on the ground. In my opinion , the Best on the ground reporting these days ,is on the RADIO.

Our local PBS station , during their pledge week, is reairing the Frontline Program “Bush’s War”. If the information contained in this excellent program were actually presented to the American Public WHEN It OCCURRED….Bush would never have stampeded America into invading Iraq…and America would have avoided the fiasco that is occuring.
Free Speech TV, with Amy Goodman, has also done some Excellent work. Their program linking US Business ties to Nazi Germany, IBM in Particular, was a real eye opener.

I guess my point is ,that We no longer Need to rely on the Corporate Media.

]]> By: BearCountry http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/kurtz-media-won%e2%80%99t-cover-pentagon-propaganda-%e2%80%98because-they-are-embarrassed%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-4945750 BearCountry Mon, 05 May 2008 23:37:17 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/kurtz-media-won%e2%80%99t-cover-pentagon-propaganda-%e2%80%98because-they-are-embarrassed%e2%80%99/#comment-4945750 I think that Eric Alterman's SCLM (So Called Liberal Media) works pretty well. The current upset over the role of the SCLM on whether they are actually reporting news and their role in spouting the administration's line reminds me of what was going on in reporting the casualties in Viet Nam. After some "engagement" the US Command would say that some number of North Vietnamese or guerillas were killed. North Viet Nam would then say that it was actually some number much lower. About a week later, the Russians would say that the number was some number more than North Viet Nam had said, but much less than the US official number, not necessarily 1/2 way between. Then about another week later, the US would quietly revise their official number to be something very close to the Russian number. I think that Eric Alterman’s SCLM (So Called Liberal Media) works pretty well.

The current upset over the role of the SCLM on whether they are actually reporting news and their role in spouting the administration’s line reminds me of what was going on in reporting the casualties in Viet Nam. After some “engagement” the US Command would say that some number of North Vietnamese or guerillas were killed. North Viet Nam would then say that it was actually some number much lower. About a week later, the Russians would say that the number was some number more than North Viet Nam had said, but much less than the US official number, not necessarily 1/2 way between. Then about another week later, the US would quietly revise their official number to be something very close to the Russian number.

]]> By: christopher wiwi http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/kurtz-media-won%e2%80%99t-cover-pentagon-propaganda-%e2%80%98because-they-are-embarrassed%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-4945736 christopher wiwi Mon, 05 May 2008 23:26:03 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/kurtz-media-won%e2%80%99t-cover-pentagon-propaganda-%e2%80%98because-they-are-embarrassed%e2%80%99/#comment-4945736 MSM is to embarrased my a$$, they will not report anything as big and as awful as this scandal because they will incur the rath of Dick(darth vader).The MSM are more entertaniment than news so why report it, besides The rev. Wright show is bigger in their eyes, they are just to busy trying to discredit Obama because they know he is going to kick a$$ in November. MSM is to embarrased my a$$, they will not report anything as big and as awful as this scandal because they will incur the rath of Dick(darth vader).The MSM are more entertaniment than news so why report it, besides The rev. Wright show is bigger in their eyes, they are just to busy trying to discredit Obama because they know he is going to kick a$$ in November.

]]> By: Ms_Joanne http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/kurtz-media-won%e2%80%99t-cover-pentagon-propaganda-%e2%80%98because-they-are-embarrassed%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-4945664 Ms_Joanne Mon, 05 May 2008 23:06:21 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/kurtz-media-won%e2%80%99t-cover-pentagon-propaganda-%e2%80%98because-they-are-embarrassed%e2%80%99/#comment-4945664 satirev, I am not directing this at just you, but, please EVERYONE, stop calling them the MSM. I know that's a, well, mainstream term, but they are not mainstream, they are corporate media. Calling them anything else gives them a credibility they do not deserve. <strong>Corporate Media (CM)</strong>...call a spade a spade, and call them the $hits that they are. /rant off satirev, I am not directing this at just you, but, please EVERYONE, stop calling them the MSM. I know that’s a, well, mainstream term, but they are not mainstream, they are corporate media.

Calling them anything else gives them a credibility they do not deserve.

Corporate Media (CM)…call a spade a spade, and call them the $hits that they are.

/rant off

]]> By: FearandSmear http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/kurtz-media-won%e2%80%99t-cover-pentagon-propaganda-%e2%80%98because-they-are-embarrassed%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-4945662 FearandSmear Mon, 05 May 2008 23:05:54 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/kurtz-media-won%e2%80%99t-cover-pentagon-propaganda-%e2%80%98because-they-are-embarrassed%e2%80%99/#comment-4945662 Let's see.. This is surprising because... The media has been so on the ball otherwise? Network news and political coverage in particular is getting better all the time? More and more people are reading newspapers and watching TV news? Er... Not so much. Let’s see.. This is surprising because…

The media has been so on the ball otherwise?

Network news and political coverage in particular is getting better all the time?

More and more people are reading newspapers and watching TV news?

Er… Not so much.

]]> By: Ms_Joanne http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/kurtz-media-won%e2%80%99t-cover-pentagon-propaganda-%e2%80%98because-they-are-embarrassed%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-4945600 Ms_Joanne Mon, 05 May 2008 22:33:01 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/kurtz-media-won%e2%80%99t-cover-pentagon-propaganda-%e2%80%98because-they-are-embarrassed%e2%80%99/#comment-4945600 I watch and read BBC. Also http://www.spiegel.de/international/ is a very good source. More people should read news from around the world, not just for a world perspective, but because they are more honest than the corporate media here. I watch and read BBC. Also http://www.spiegel.de/international/ is a very good source.

More people should read news from around the world, not just for a world perspective, but because they are more honest than the corporate media here.

]]> By: StratRat http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/kurtz-media-won%e2%80%99t-cover-pentagon-propaganda-%e2%80%98because-they-are-embarrassed%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-4945586 StratRat Mon, 05 May 2008 22:24:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/kurtz-media-won%e2%80%99t-cover-pentagon-propaganda-%e2%80%98because-they-are-embarrassed%e2%80%99/#comment-4945586 There was a time where you could believe most of what came out of a newscasters mouth - mainly national news. Since the 1980's, the networks wanted the news division to earn a profit, rather than being a community service sort of business model. As the networks demanded more and more profit from the news division - something which was very new to them - they were forced to leave the decidedly boring 'nightly news' format and started becoming more of an entertainment division. Cronkite, we need you now, more than ever. There was a time where you could believe most of what came out of a newscasters mouth – mainly national news. Since the 1980’s, the networks wanted the news division to earn a profit, rather than being a community service sort of business model. As the networks demanded more and more profit from the news division – something which was very new to them – they were forced to leave the decidedly boring ‘nightly news’ format and started becoming more of an entertainment division. Cronkite, we need you now, more than ever.

]]> By: dixie blood http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/kurtz-media-won%e2%80%99t-cover-pentagon-propaganda-%e2%80%98because-they-are-embarrassed%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-4945584 dixie blood Mon, 05 May 2008 22:22:38 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/kurtz-media-won%e2%80%99t-cover-pentagon-propaganda-%e2%80%98because-they-are-embarrassed%e2%80%99/#comment-4945584 Ms_Joanne, Check out the BBC. No corporate corruption. They are a free voice in the world. dixie Ms_Joanne,

Check out the BBC. No corporate corruption. They are a free voice in the world.

dixie

]]> By: Ms_Joanne http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/kurtz-media-won%e2%80%99t-cover-pentagon-propaganda-%e2%80%98because-they-are-embarrassed%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-4945582 Ms_Joanne Mon, 05 May 2008 22:20:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/kurtz-media-won%e2%80%99t-cover-pentagon-propaganda-%e2%80%98because-they-are-embarrassed%e2%80%99/#comment-4945582 BTW, Free Speech TV is running a funding drive now. <strong>PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE support them.</strong> They are struggling and that is one source which we need to keep on air. Even if it's only a few bucks, please support this fine news source. <strong>http://www.freespeech.org/videodb/index.php?action=detail&video_id=11094&browse=0</strong> BTW, Free Speech TV is running a funding drive now. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE support them. They are struggling and that is one source which we need to keep on air.

Even if it’s only a few bucks, please support this fine news source.

http://www.freespeech.org/videodb/index.php?action=detail&video_id=11094&browse=0

]]> By: L. Hussein Annie http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/kurtz-media-won%e2%80%99t-cover-pentagon-propaganda-%e2%80%98because-they-are-embarrassed%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-4945580 L. Hussein Annie Mon, 05 May 2008 22:20:55 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/kurtz-media-won%e2%80%99t-cover-pentagon-propaganda-%e2%80%98because-they-are-embarrassed%e2%80%99/#comment-4945580 Crap. They should be too embarrassed to show their stupid, sycophantic faces - anywhere. Crap. They should be too embarrassed to show their stupid, sycophantic faces – anywhere.

]]> By: Buckie Boy http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/kurtz-media-won%e2%80%99t-cover-pentagon-propaganda-%e2%80%98because-they-are-embarrassed%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-4945578 Buckie Boy Mon, 05 May 2008 22:20:10 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/kurtz-media-won%e2%80%99t-cover-pentagon-propaganda-%e2%80%98because-they-are-embarrassed%e2%80%99/#comment-4945578 No, not ducking it, their corporate masters were told by the Bush/Cheney Crime Family to not push it, cement overshoes or anthrax anyone? No, not ducking it, their corporate masters were told by the Bush/Cheney Crime Family to not push it, cement overshoes or anthrax anyone?

]]> By: Ms_Joanne http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/kurtz-media-won%e2%80%99t-cover-pentagon-propaganda-%e2%80%98because-they-are-embarrassed%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-4945574 Ms_Joanne Mon, 05 May 2008 22:17:53 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/kurtz-media-won%e2%80%99t-cover-pentagon-propaganda-%e2%80%98because-they-are-embarrassed%e2%80%99/#comment-4945574 NPR used to be a good source. But since their funding comes from the government, they know that their funding comes from the government and is at the whim of the government. I don't see them as a neutral informer. IMHO, the only truly neutral, and honest, source of news is DemocracyNow and the others shown on FSTV or LINKtv (available on DISH - not sure where else). NPR has some good stuff, so don't get me wrong, I am not completely dissing them, but the fact that they are funded at the pleasure of the president (basically) and we have all seen how that has played out. NPR used to be a good source. But since their funding comes from the government, they know that their funding comes from the government and is at the whim of the government. I don’t see them as a neutral informer.

IMHO, the only truly neutral, and honest, source of news is DemocracyNow and the others shown on FSTV or LINKtv (available on DISH – not sure where else).

NPR has some good stuff, so don’t get me wrong, I am not completely dissing them, but the fact that they are funded at the pleasure of the president (basically) and we have all seen how that has played out.

]]> By: Chocolate Jesus http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/kurtz-media-won%e2%80%99t-cover-pentagon-propaganda-%e2%80%98because-they-are-embarrassed%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-4945562 Chocolate Jesus Mon, 05 May 2008 22:14:31 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/kurtz-media-won%e2%80%99t-cover-pentagon-propaganda-%e2%80%98because-they-are-embarrassed%e2%80%99/#comment-4945562 They are bought and paid for, they wont cover it because they are complicit.. They are bought and paid for, they wont cover it because they are complicit..

]]> By: Strangely Enough http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/kurtz-media-won%e2%80%99t-cover-pentagon-propaganda-%e2%80%98because-they-are-embarrassed%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-4945560 Strangely Enough Mon, 05 May 2008 22:14:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/kurtz-media-won%e2%80%99t-cover-pentagon-propaganda-%e2%80%98because-they-are-embarrassed%e2%80%99/#comment-4945560 No sense in reminding the viewers of their complicity in inciting a war of aggression. Could hurt the ratings, and possibly jeopardize future access (to Pentagon contracts). No sense in reminding the viewers of their complicity in inciting a war of aggression. Could hurt the ratings, and possibly jeopardize future access (to Pentagon contracts).

]]> By: Fred http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/kurtz-media-won%e2%80%99t-cover-pentagon-propaganda-%e2%80%98because-they-are-embarrassed%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-4945550 Fred Mon, 05 May 2008 22:12:35 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/kurtz-media-won%e2%80%99t-cover-pentagon-propaganda-%e2%80%98because-they-are-embarrassed%e2%80%99/#comment-4945550 More evidence of the free market failing to regulate itself. More evidence of the free market failing to regulate itself.

]]> By: StratRat http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/kurtz-media-won%e2%80%99t-cover-pentagon-propaganda-%e2%80%98because-they-are-embarrassed%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-4945544 StratRat Mon, 05 May 2008 22:08:39 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/kurtz-media-won%e2%80%99t-cover-pentagon-propaganda-%e2%80%98because-they-are-embarrassed%e2%80%99/#comment-4945544 <em>JaneDoe Says: And why are the networks allowed to function if they refuse to publish news? Shouldn’t they lose their broadcast licenses in this sort of case? Otherwise what purpose do the networks serve?</em> They serve as the propaganda arm of the republican party. Easy. Think abot it: General Electric owns NBC. GE makes 1000 times more money - through their defense contacts (submarines, jet engines, data services, etc..) than NBC. If GE wants to sell its engiens and subs to the government, you do not piss of the buyers in that government. You cater to them all ways and in all manners. If the government wants NBC to fib to us, they will. NBC knows it's defense business would dry up in no time. Can't have that. So they have decided to let the republic twist in the wind, while they earn their short term, quarterly bonuses. JaneDoe Says:

And why are the networks allowed to function if they refuse to publish news? Shouldn’t they lose their broadcast licenses in this sort of case? Otherwise what purpose do the networks serve?

They serve as the propaganda arm of the republican party. Easy. Think abot it: General Electric owns NBC. GE makes 1000 times more money – through their defense contacts (submarines, jet engines, data services, etc..) than NBC. If GE wants to sell its engiens and subs to the government, you do not piss of the buyers in that government. You cater to them all ways and in all manners. If the government wants NBC to fib to us, they will. NBC knows it’s defense business would dry up in no time. Can’t have that. So they have decided to let the republic twist in the wind, while they earn their short term, quarterly bonuses.

]]> By: gummitch http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/kurtz-media-won%e2%80%99t-cover-pentagon-propaganda-%e2%80%98because-they-are-embarrassed%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-4945534 gummitch Mon, 05 May 2008 22:02:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/05/kurtz-media-won%e2%80%99t-cover-pentagon-propaganda-%e2%80%98because-they-are-embarrassed%e2%80%99/#comment-4945534 Bah. They're completely incapable of being embarrassed. "Look over there! Scarlett's engaged!" Bah. They’re completely incapable of being embarrassed. “Look over there! Scarlett’s engaged!”

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