Comments on: Fox News’ wealthy white males get their chuckles from discussing ‘downscale voters.’

By: Keith

Keith — Thu, 08 May 2008 08:50:24 +0000

Svedberg, you are ignoring what I said about Clinton’s first bidget that did not get a single Republican vote, You spin a lot.

You are ignoring the evidence YOU GAVE That the job growth rate always improves going from Repub to Dem and worsens going from Dem to Repub!!!!!!!

By: the_svedberg

the_svedberg — Thu, 08 May 2008 00:01:26 +0000

Keith,

The economy was good with a Democratic Congress under JFK and LBJ—until the tremendous costs of the Vietnam War started having an effect.

Not that I’m defending GWB, but you could most certainly insert Republican for Democratic, GWB for JFK/LBJ and September 11,2001 for Vietnam War and your argument will still ring true.

Starting in 1995, Clinton and Gingrich had to agree on a budget in order to get it passed. Then we had the boom of the 1990s. Not saying they’re correlated, that would be a stretch, but it’s no more of a stretch than linking jobs added with presidents.

Can’t we all agree that whatever happens, we should avoid reliving the late 1970s? I wasn’t alive back then, but the overwhelming majority of conversations I’ve had with folks who were, that was not a time to be proud to be an American.

By: Keith

Keith — Wed, 07 May 2008 19:53:01 +0000

Svedberg, Clinton’s first budget passed the Democratic Congress without a single Republican vote and cut GHWB’s record budget deficit in half. From $250 billion to $125 billion. It would have been a balanced budget except for the interest payment on the debt piled up the previous twelve years of Reagan/Bush, which equaled about $125 billion. Only those with income over $150,000 ($300,000 for couples) had their taxes raised.

The economy was good with a Democratic Congress under JFK and LBJ—until the tremendous costs of the Vietnam War started having an effect.

By: the_svedberg

the_svedberg — Wed, 07 May 2008 17:07:20 +0000

Jeremy you are correct in assuming I am ashamed of Bush, I didn’t vote for him either time, I think “compassionate conservatism” is another way of saying soft socialism. He and the Republicans had a great opportunity to instill some fiscal restraint and reform when they were in power, namely in the form of fundamental tax reform and entitlement reform (like it or not, something must be done to make SS and Medicare more solvent). And he chickened out. Which leads me to my next point: I think that when we have a split government, the people benefit. For instance, in the 1990s, we had a moderate liberal in the WH and a moderate conservative majority in Congress, so government was only able to pass the most important legislation. We got welfare reform and a budget that wasn’t particularly driven by special interests. When the Republicans took control of both the WH and Congress, we saw special interests take center stage in DC and government spending and intrusion into our lives spiral out of control. It is hearsay, but I would be willing to bet if the same were true only replace Republican with Democrat, we’d have many of the same problems. A split government with its hands tied governs better than one that thinks it has a mandate to tell us how to live our lives.

By: flavorino

flavorino — Wed, 07 May 2008 16:52:21 +0000

I bet it never occurred to these phony Fox “patriots” while they’re yukking it up about “downscale” and “working class” Americans that those Americans dying in Iraq are by a large percentage those very same “working class” and “downscale” Americans.

Hey, but Fox Noise hides behind the flag while they laugh at the American “working class” , so their guys must be all right.

By: christopher wiwi

christopher wiwi — Wed, 07 May 2008 15:19:31 +0000

Talk about ELITISM, these guys and Fix news are just showing their lack of class and intelligence.These people forget that it was and still is the middle and working class that keeps this country going and it`s their greed and corruption and cronyism that is trying to drive us into oblivion and WAR.

By: Exit Stage Left

Exit Stage Left — Wed, 07 May 2008 12:32:34 +0000

Zooey Says:
Any bets on whether or not Hil is hugging the porcelain throne right about now?

We used to call it driving the porcelain bus :)~

By: Castelcomerkid

Castelcomerkid — Wed, 07 May 2008 11:23:48 +0000

I would rather be lower class than bear any resemblence to these walking stacks of cow flop. They are not worthy to tie my shoes.

By: john7108

john7108 — Wed, 07 May 2008 07:27:04 +0000

I’m shocked, SHOCKED that there would be elitist pigs on Fox News Channel thumbing their noses at the ‘common folk’.

Have the viewers of Fox finally realized they’ve been had?

By: republicanSScareme

republicanSScareme — Wed, 07 May 2008 07:10:41 +0000

The pig twins: Kondracke and Barnes.

By: jonny

jonny — Wed, 07 May 2008 06:10:52 +0000

Max-1 Says:
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Karla Rove. Not mine; I saw it elsewhere.

By: jonny

jonny — Wed, 07 May 2008 06:08:56 +0000

Jeremy in Denver Says:
If svedberg is truely a libertarian,
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Libertarian, n.: “If the gummint won’t let ya kill each other with sawed-off shotguns, how long will it be before the gummint won’t let ya kill each other ATALL?”

By: Max-1

Max-1 — Wed, 07 May 2008 06:05:49 +0000

Such Rovian euphenisims coming from a Democrat’s camp…

I suppose spelling it out helps… NO?

Hillary (R) Clinton!

… because (R) isn’t just for (R)odham anymore…

By: Zooey

Zooey — Wed, 07 May 2008 05:27:24 +0000

dbadass Says:

So best to stick just with the sumulated food sharing! I suppose I just always have to take it one step beyond.
May 7th, 2008 at 1:25 am

Biologists….

**eyes rolling**

By: dbadass

dbadass — Wed, 07 May 2008 05:25:22 +0000

So best to stick just with the sumulated food sharing! I suppose I just always have to take it one step beyond.

By: Zooey

Zooey — Wed, 07 May 2008 05:22:56 +0000

dbadass Says:

Will you still respect me if I regurgitate me meal into your gullet?
May 7th, 2008 at 1:17 am

Um, no.

By: Jeremy in Denver

Jeremy in Denver — Wed, 07 May 2008 05:19:01 +0000

That’s new here. A conservative who can actually name the great thinkers that helped found the American Conservative cause. I wonder how Svedberg views Bush. Any true American Conservative should shudder at the mere mention of this man’s name, both because he’s hard-core anti-Conservative and because of how he managed to coopt the Conservative message and ruin its marketability to middle-class Americans for the foreseeable future.

Getting to the topic of this thread, the forces that have coopted the original Conservative mantra of less government look upon the working man who wants that mantra so he can live his life freely to screw him over. Instead of the classical ‘Live and let live’ philosophy, current Conservatives argue that Big Government is OK when it is directed against the little people.

The DMCA, or Digital Millennium Copyright Act, now makes it a crime to circumvent copy protection, even to make archival copies for your personal use!

The Patriot Act, which, up until last September, allowed the FBI to examine your personal evidence without notifying you first in violation of the Fourth Amendment.

Those are just two things off my sleep-addled mind. The list grows very long, what with ‘protecting ourselves from Terrorists’ and ‘keeping drugs out of our kids hands’ and ‘keeping kids from having sex’ and ‘protecting the family’. Every sound-bite is an excuse to invade our privacy and let government intrude on us.

If svedberg is truely a libertarian, he’s not gonna be here to support Bush. I wonder what his responses to these accusations are…and his reaction to the fact that some talking head on Faux Noose referred to the working people the Republicans need to win elections as ‘lower class people’.

By: dbadass

dbadass — Wed, 07 May 2008 05:17:58 +0000

Will you still respect me if I regurgitate me meal into your gullet?

By: Zooey

Zooey — Wed, 07 May 2008 05:15:30 +0000

dbadass Says:

In light of all the tongue biting and french kissing, let’s remember that all of this is just are ancestral hardwiring causing us to simulate food sharing
May 7th, 2008 at 1:08 am

Works for me. ;)

By: hanshiro

hanshiro — Wed, 07 May 2008 05:10:21 +0000

77. RUCerious Says:

Hanshiro, nice take down on the Svorgassborg…

It’s that “truth/liberal bias” thing…