“You people make me sick. President Bush has done nothing wrong.”
Well the relatives and friends of perhaps more than a million dead ,Iraqi’s included , may disagreee with you there Blue.
The parents and children of several times that who have been mained and wounded as well as on upwards of 4 million refugeed as a result of our attack on a country TOTALLY uninvolved in the Sept, 11 attack on the world trade towers may have a bearing ?
Look at a few actual photo’s of the carnage in Iraq , a father or mother cradling the lifeless body of their child perhaps and than get back to me with an opinion of what makes you sick , Blue.
Get some perspective .

Hey look at me I’m a flat earther! Anymouse, let’s just say for fun that Gore was in it for the money, even though he’s already incredibly wealthy, let’s say he wasn’t doing what he does out of concern and caring for the planet. Tell me what is so hard for you and your ilk to understand about cleaning up the planet, becoming less dependent on others’ energy and transferring to a society that is sustainable? The shift in the economy to green everything can only be a positive, but all you blowhards want to do is continue to demagogue the issue?

Every once in a while you should turn off Jerry Springer and tune into the Discovery Channel. Some scientists believe that when global warming melts the polar ice caps in sufficient amounts, the massive fresh water infusion into the North Atlantic will interfere with the flow of salt water in the Gulf Stream. This would cause a cooling of the planet at some point, and some believe this was one of the root causes of the last ice age.

Gore is only half correct…

What is obscene is a body of Congress that sits on their collective asses supporting war crimes through their silence, granting the President and his Vice President, George W. Bush and Richard B. Cheney, tacit permission to continue being the big bad-ass war criminals they’ve grown to become.

AMERICA…
Your President and Vice President ARE war criminals…

America…
Doing nothing equates to a permissiveness that has ALWAYS been anathema to what America was carved out to be…

America…
The world awaits…

Do nothing and be known for becoming a rogue Nation to the world. Do nothing and you become what you’ve had a history of loathing.

It’s not torture when America does it… ? BULLSHIT!
It’s not terrorism when America does it…? BULLSHIT!
It’s not war crimes when perpetrated by Americans…? BULLSHIT!

NOT IN MY NAME, AMERICA!

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Q U E S T I O N:
When will T.P. get a heading for WAR CRIMES/CRIMINALS, IMPEACHMENT? How can TP effectively change what it chooses to not recognize?

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“…but we, as taxpayers and residents of Planet Earth, deserve a real public debate over whether 1) humans are making the world warmer 2) that warming is good or bad 3) if its bad, should we abandon/significantly alter our way of life to (probably not) do something about it and 4) why are the same folks who were screaming about a new ice age 30 years ago all of a sudden crying about global warming?”

Hey fu(k wit, we as taxpayers deserve a fu(king president who respects the Constitution, a Supreme Court that UNDERSTANDS the Constitution, the ability to RELY ON SCIENTISTS TO PROVIDE AND PROVE OUR SCIENTIFIC THEORIES, KEEP RELIGION JUST WHERE IT BELONGS. IN A LOCKED ROOM IN A HOUSE OF WORSHIP, WITH NO TAXPAYER SUBSIDIES, REPRESENTATIVES WHO ACTUALLY CARE FOR THEIR CONSTITUENTS.
You FU(KWIT.
IF YOU ARE THE MESSENGER, THEN YES, I AM ALL FOR SHOOTING DOWN THE MESSENGER, AND WHILE HE IS DOWN, STEP ON HIS FU(KING HEAD UNTIL IT IS MUSH, THEN SCOOP HIS SORRY ASS UP AND BLAST HIM OFF TO THE SUN ALONG WITH THE REST OF HIS CRETIN FAMILY SO THAT HUMANITY CAN BE RID OF THIS STRAIN OF DNA.

Exit Stage Left Says:

No truer words have been written. What a disaster, possibly one that can’t be recovered from, these criminals have created. Hitler was more heinous, but when all the fallout has settled from this administration, I believe the end effect will be more disastrous than WWII.

I think they just were.

No, it is called CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT MULTIPLE FELONIES. AND CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT TREASON.

And you might have a point if Al Gore were berating others for the very same things he is guilty of.

Like pontificating about marital fidelity, while having a girl on the side. Or engaging in gay-bashing while carrying a gay affair himself.

That is not the case. He is talking about Bush’s embrace of torture. Did Gore ever legalise torture, or openly defended its use “to protect America”? Right, I didn’t think so.

I was merely suggesting that Al Gore may not have a platform to criticize anyone because he has been made famous by using smokescreens and false dilemas like the rest of them.

I mistrust all demagogues, don’t really care which “side” of the spectrum they come from. The political spectrum has at least 2 dimensions, probably more.

No, he doesn’t.

I wouldn’t call it shooting down the messenger,

Of course you wouldn’t call it that, since that is exactly what you are doing too.

I would call it checking up on the integrity of the messenger to see if he/she has the credentials to criticize.

Call it whatever you want. Torture is still wrong.

Not to mention the not-so-clever change of subject.

Al Gore is as much as a liar as George Bush with his global warming alarmist agenda. He refuses to debate or address the dissent of real scientists who have data that speaks otherwise about his argument.

This is claptrap. Global climate change is not Gore’s theory. He is also the messenger for that one.

One more time: There is consensus in the scientific community that global climate change is real, and that human activity is contributing to the rising temperatures of our planet.

I suppose you are still “on the fence” about the actual shape of our planet too.

And lest you forget, since I suspect you have a short attention span problem: This is a thread about Pres Bush legalising and embracing torture as a matter of policy. Gore is just the messenger. Nice try at changing the subject and shooting down the messenger, though.

How different our country and our world would be today if not for the hijacking of the white house and the constitution in 2000. Sigh.

No truer words have been written. What a disaster, possibly one that can’t be recovered from, these criminals have created. Hitler was more heinous, but when all the fallout has settled from this administration, I believe the end effect will be more disastrous than WWII.

So . . they’re trying to light a candle in the middle of a black hole.
Good luck with that, and wake me if anything actually happens beyond the refusal to comply.

Now I generally agree with probably most of you on the torture issue: we concede the moral high ground when we lower ourselves to tactics on which our enemies pride themselves, but…

anylouse has a point. Gregor, I wouldn’t call it shooting down the messenger, I would call it checking up on the integrity of the messenger to see if he/she has the credentials to criticize. Al Gore is as much as a liar as George Bush with his global warming alarmist agenda. He refuses to debate or address the dissent of real scientists who have data that speaks otherwise about his argument. His “documentary” contains at least 35 factual errors. The debate on climate change (funny how recently the name has changed from global warming since you cant really argue against the climate changing…) is far from over, both sides have loads of ammunition in the form of scientific data…one side just seems to prefer computer models instead of primary evidence, but we, as taxpayers and residents of Planet Earth, deserve a real public debate over whether 1) humans are making the world warmer 2) that warming is good or bad 3) if its bad, should we abandon/significantly alter our way of life to (probably not) do something about it and 4) why are the same folks who were screaming about a new ice age 30 years ago all of a sudden crying about global warming?

Could the Democratic party please put a couple brain cells on the election fraud raging in this country? At least teach people how to register in each state. Teach people the law. Tell them where to register, what they need, where they vote. Is that too much to ask?