Comments on: Kirchick gets his facts wrong on the ‘reality-based community.’

By: Soprano

Soprano — Thu, 08 May 2008 16:32:31 +0000

” . . .when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”

This reminds me of:

“Fascists have the word ‘action’ on their lips from morning to night.”
–Wyndham Lewis, Time and Western Man

By: Evil Spaniard

Evil Spaniard — Thu, 08 May 2008 16:13:32 +0000

“Kirchick gets his facts wrong on the ‘reality-based community.’”

Truth hurts :D

By: jasperjava

jasperjava — Thu, 08 May 2008 14:43:04 +0000

I don’t think it’s Cheney. A journalist would never refer to the Vice-President as an “aide”. He would probably have said, “a White House official” or something like that.

I still think it’s Rove. It’s a James-Bond-villain kind of speech. I imagine Rove sitting like Blofeld, stroking a white Persian cat as he explains the whole evil plan to Ron Suskind.

By: ralph the wonder llama

ralph the wonder llama — Thu, 08 May 2008 14:23:34 +0000

khuigens Says:
Rove? No. That little “– judiciously, as you will — ” is pure, unadulterated Cheney.

You might be right. It’s a little high-falutin’ for Rove now that you mention it.

By: Zooey

Zooey — Thu, 08 May 2008 14:15:19 +0000

khuigens Says:

Rove? No. That little “– judiciously, as you will — ” is pure, unadulterated Cheney.

Listen carefully. “I think they’re in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency.”
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/30/cheney.iraq/
May 8th, 2008 at 8:47 am

Ah, nice catch. Interesting…

By: impeachcheneythenbush

impeachcheneythenbush — Thu, 08 May 2008 14:05:12 +0000

khuigens Says:

Rove? No. That little “– judiciously, as you will — ” is pure, unadulterated Cheney.

Listen carefully. “I think they’re in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency.”
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/30/cheney.iraq/

I think you may be right. Check this out from the White House’s own website. Cheney used the phrase “if you will” 9 times in this single interview. It’s not “as you will,” but close.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/vicepresident/news-speeches/speeches/vp20010916.html

By: christopher wiwi

christopher wiwi — Thu, 08 May 2008 13:31:46 +0000

What a maroon, this guy has not a clue. If I could make reality all of the neocons would be in Iraq and our soldiers would be home. The Reich does not know anything about the Left and our religious values, because we believe in a just God and they believe in reality that they are Ambassadors of god and his Warmongering, greed, and corrupt beliefs, that`s their faith based horse$hit.Our reality based community does not believe in illegal war,illegal wire tapping and corrupt gov`t, reality would have this whole administration in Iraq
and our citizens would not be losing their homes because of corrupt banking,47 million Americans would have health insurance that covers an illness ,I could name hundreds of atrocities that this “faith based community in Washington has committed under the so called guise of god.

By: khuigens

khuigens — Thu, 08 May 2008 12:47:57 +0000

Rove? No. That little “– judiciously, as you will — ” is pure, unadulterated Cheney.

Listen carefully. “I think they’re in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency.”
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/30/cheney.iraq/

By: Apuch

Apuch — Thu, 08 May 2008 12:09:52 +0000

Interesting. People create their own reality and foist its terms on others and then this reality is distributed and after a while it gets back to the original NPD people and they of course believe it whether they believed it originally or not and before you know it the whole community suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder and reality is a distant memory and an inconsequential matter for fear of having made a mistake which is one thing that started the whole process. Or some such thing like this……my head hurts.

By: Perry logan

Perry logan — Thu, 08 May 2008 11:35:24 +0000

The Republican Party has become a massive public health threat to America and the world. The only solution is to herd them all into Utah, where they will quickly die.

By: kassandrasduplex

kassandrasduplex — Thu, 08 May 2008 10:36:46 +0000

The Age of Modern Propaganda: create your own reality. Al Qaeda really is who we a fighting in Iraq. Social programs really do cause poverty and despair. War does equal Peace.

So sad to say the unnamed souce quoted by Suskind was absolutely correct. There really is a Vast Right Wing Conspiracy but only in the minds of those who believe it to be a reality.

By: Zooey

Zooey — Thu, 08 May 2008 04:58:21 +0000

Ed Drone Says:

Kirchick must be using Bill O’Reilly’s fact-checker.

Why not? O’Reilly certainly isn’t using him!
May 7th, 2008 at 11:57 pm

I know. BO’s fact-checker is a Critter at TheZoo, and he’s never reported to work — not once. ;)

By: Max-1

Max-1 — Thu, 08 May 2008 04:45:54 +0000

Reality is an inconvenient truth that is easily ignored when one needs to “FIX FACTS” around policy, in NeoCondria…

By: Max-1

Max-1 — Thu, 08 May 2008 04:40:18 +0000

If my Christian belief system is too liberal and extreme…

THOU SHALL NOT KILL…
TREAT YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOU WOULD HAVE HIM TREAT YOU…
JUDGE NOT LEAST YE BE JUDGED…

R E M E M B E R:
THEY(sic) HUNG JESUS FROM A CROSS BECAUSE HE TOO, WAS A LIBERAL EXTREMIST.

Somehow, I get the impression that Jamie Kirchick does not practice any one of the THREE Abrahamic Faiths.

By: Anacher Forester

Anacher Forester — Thu, 08 May 2008 04:02:02 +0000

Kirchick knows even less than he says and that’s saying a lot.

-AF
Andrew Sullivan Is A Fraud

By: Ed Drone

Ed Drone — Thu, 08 May 2008 03:57:44 +0000

Kirchick must be using Bill O’Reilly’s fact-checker.

Why not? O’Reilly certainly isn’t using him!

And someone needs to get the Wikipedia entry corrected.

By: Magic Dog

Magic Dog — Thu, 08 May 2008 03:42:17 +0000

That’s funny about Kirchick’s facts. Can anyone be surprised when a Republican just makes it up as he goes along?

But it gets better. First off, this is the same James Kirchick who blamed those evil liberals for his inability to find a liberal gay man in Boston who would put up with his wingnuttery. Could it have been his winning personality? Halitosis? The infamous tendency of Bostonians to wait five years before saying hi to a newcomer? Nope. It was the liberalism. Had to be.

Beyond the piteous whining and victim pose, isn’t it interesting that Kirchick would voice his complaint in the pages of The Boston Globe? Given that he’s a Log Cabin Republican, why not make the accusation in, say, The Boston Herald or The National Review or Human Events or one of the many and sundry other wingnut pubs ordinarily eager to throw down the gauntlet at the libs?

Could it be that the friendship of Kirchick’s friends stops at the love that dare not speak its name? Someone should ask him about that sometime. Has he written any articles concerning his own homosexuality in the right-wing press? And no, I’m not talking about obscure right-wing gay blogs. I’m talking about the big dogs.

And then there is the inspirational source for the flawed article in Politico. Kirchick found one defense of Rev. Wright in The Nation, and used it to smear everyone to the left of Attila the Hun. Sound familiar? Maybe Kirchick was channeling Roy Cohn?

In the past, we godless lefties would ignore absurd fools like James Kirchick, confident that they’d fall of their own weight. Well, now we can see where that got us. I think it’s time to take notice of these goofballs, lest they wind up as pundits on the latest Murdoch acquisition.

By: AlphaLiberal

AlphaLiberal — Thu, 08 May 2008 03:36:00 +0000

Look at this from Wikipedia!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality-based_community

The same interpretation is laid out, right over the Ron Suskind quote! That’s ridiculous, the quote has nothing to do with faith, it’s about ego and power drunkenness.

Can anyone edit this Wikipedia entry? It’s false.

By: AlphaLiberal

AlphaLiberal — Thu, 08 May 2008 03:22:37 +0000

What a mendacious dumbshit.

By: Ginny in CO

Ginny in CO — Thu, 08 May 2008 02:37:26 +0000

This ultimately led to one of the best true lines of all the books exposing the travesty’s of BushCo.

“I’m a neocon who has been mugged by reality.”

Imperial Life in the Emerald City: Inside Iraq’s Green Zone by Rajiv Chandrasekaran