Comments on: Rumsfeld blames the generals for poor pre-war planning. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poor-pre-war-planning/ Fri, 27 Nov 2009 05:25:58 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: cjjason http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poor-pre-war-planning/comment-page-2/#comment-4953150 cjjason Fri, 09 May 2008 17:44:40 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poor-pre-war-planning/#comment-4953150 Rumsfeld - you are such an ASS! Life doesn't go on for more than 4,000 brave men and women, you ass! Rumsfeld – you are such an ASS!

Life doesn’t go on for more than 4,000 brave men and women, you ass!

]]> By: MapleStreet http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poor-pre-war-planning/comment-page-2/#comment-4953090 MapleStreet Fri, 09 May 2008 17:24:54 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poor-pre-war-planning/#comment-4953090 Dumb Question: If I take Rumsfield at his word (I said it was a dumb question). The Generals didn't do their planning. Well Rumsfield was in charge of overseeing this. Shrub was the Commander in Chief. As the "captain of the ship" wouldn't the "Buck Stop Here" ? Dumb Question: If I take Rumsfield at his word (I said it was a dumb question). The Generals didn’t do their planning.

Well Rumsfield was in charge of overseeing this. Shrub was the Commander in Chief. As the “captain of the ship” wouldn’t the “Buck Stop Here” ?

]]> By: Cal Malenky http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poor-pre-war-planning/comment-page-2/#comment-4952944 Cal Malenky Fri, 09 May 2008 16:30:44 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poor-pre-war-planning/#comment-4952944 He must have needed a lot of NutraSweet to cover up the cyanide taste of the Neocon KoolAid. He must have needed a lot of NutraSweet to cover up the cyanide taste of the Neocon KoolAid.

]]> By: Cal Malenky http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poor-pre-war-planning/comment-page-2/#comment-4952908 Cal Malenky Fri, 09 May 2008 16:17:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poor-pre-war-planning/#comment-4952908 Always the arrogant tyrant, when Rummy was CEO of Searle in the 70s, everyone there was afraid of him. If employees were on an elevator and he wanted to board it, they had to leave so he and his gang could ride. Always the arrogant tyrant, when Rummy was CEO of Searle in the 70s, everyone there was afraid of him. If employees were on an elevator and he wanted to board it, they had to leave so he and his gang could ride.

]]> By: trollsbwild http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poor-pre-war-planning/comment-page-2/#comment-4952812 trollsbwild Fri, 09 May 2008 15:30:35 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poor-pre-war-planning/#comment-4952812 Rumsfeld was a chief advocate to conduct the war on the cheap. Look at where it got us. Shinseki's reward for suggesting this? HE WAS FIRED! Rumsfeld is a corporatist. A traitor. He should STFU! Rumsfeld was a chief advocate to conduct the war on the cheap. Look at where it got us. Shinseki’s reward for suggesting this? HE WAS FIRED!
Rumsfeld is a corporatist. A traitor. He should STFU!

]]> By: DanCaveman http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poor-pre-war-planning/comment-page-2/#comment-4952658 DanCaveman Fri, 09 May 2008 14:18:01 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poor-pre-war-planning/#comment-4952658 fix..."German" should be "Germany"....oops fix…”German” should be “Germany”….oops

]]> By: DanCaveman http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poor-pre-war-planning/comment-page-2/#comment-4952656 DanCaveman Fri, 09 May 2008 14:17:32 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poor-pre-war-planning/#comment-4952656 Didn't they use 1.6 Million Allied forces to hold German at the end of WWII? Please correct me if I am wrong. Didn’t they use 1.6 Million Allied forces to hold German at the end of WWII? Please correct me if I am wrong.

]]> By: DanCaveman http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poor-pre-war-planning/comment-page-2/#comment-4952648 DanCaveman Fri, 09 May 2008 14:15:55 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poor-pre-war-planning/#comment-4952648 <blockquote><em>There is no damned guidebook that says what the number ought to be.</em></blockquote> Yeah, there is and was a manual. In fact, the counter-insurgency manual was written by Gen. Petreaus and it called for 1 troop for every 40 civilians...that would be approximately 600,000 troops in 2003. Hey, but what do facts matter in todays politics. What are a few war crimes between enemies.

There is no damned guidebook that says what the number ought to be.

Yeah, there is and was a manual. In fact, the counter-insurgency manual was written by Gen. Petreaus and it called for 1 troop for every 40 civilians…that would be approximately 600,000 troops in 2003. Hey, but what do facts matter in todays politics. What are a few war crimes between enemies.

]]> By: flavorino http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poor-pre-war-planning/comment-page-2/#comment-4952642 flavorino Fri, 09 May 2008 14:13:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poor-pre-war-planning/#comment-4952642 <em>DallasNE Says: Just look at the current human misery facing the citizens of Sadr City. Two soccer stadiums are being prepared for the refugees fleeing Sadr City.</em> I would if I could, but I've noticed that the corporate media has just about completely stopped reporting on Iraq a couple weeks ago. No reporting on the walling off and partitioning of Sadr City and I've haven't seen anything on the soccer stadium. My theory is the corporate media propaganda machine is preparing for the upcoming U.S. elections by attempting to remove or minimize Iraq as an issue. I find I have to check out Juan Cole or the McClatchey News Service and blogs to get any news about what is going on over there. It's a pretty sad state of affairs when you have to visit an Al Jezeera site for info on what our military is up to because our own media has stopped it's reporting. DallasNE Says:

Just look at the current human misery facing the citizens of Sadr City. Two soccer stadiums are being prepared for the refugees fleeing Sadr City.

I would if I could, but I’ve noticed that the corporate media has just about completely stopped reporting on Iraq a couple weeks ago. No reporting on the walling off and partitioning of Sadr City and I’ve haven’t seen anything on the soccer stadium.
My theory is the corporate media propaganda machine is preparing for the upcoming U.S. elections by attempting to remove or minimize Iraq as an issue.
I find I have to check out Juan Cole or the McClatchey News Service and blogs to get any news about what is going on over there. It’s a pretty sad state of affairs when you have to visit an Al Jezeera site for info on what our military is up to because our own media has stopped it’s reporting.

]]> By: Exit Stage Left http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poor-pre-war-planning/comment-page-2/#comment-4952616 Exit Stage Left Fri, 09 May 2008 13:55:33 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poor-pre-war-planning/#comment-4952616 <em>Typical American corporate bulls*** artist……if it goes well he takes the credit for it…. if it goes wrong, he takes none of the blame</em> Same corporate principle as socialize the losses and privatize the profits. Typical American corporate bulls*** artist……if it goes well he takes the credit for it….
if it goes wrong, he takes none of the blame

Same corporate principle as socialize the losses and privatize the profits.

]]> By: angeranddespair http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poor-pre-war-planning/comment-page-2/#comment-4952612 angeranddespair Fri, 09 May 2008 13:53:08 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poor-pre-war-planning/#comment-4952612 "Death has a tendency to encourage such a depressing view of war" Donald Rumsfeld is neck deep in the lies that led to the invasion and occupation hey maybe you can pull up the picture of Donny and Saddam shaking hands. Enemy of my enemy WTF???? “Death has a tendency to encourage such a depressing view of war” Donald Rumsfeld is neck deep in the lies that led to the invasion and occupation hey maybe you can pull up the picture of Donny and Saddam shaking hands. Enemy of my enemy WTF????

]]> By: wisedup http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poor-pre-war-planning/comment-page-2/#comment-4952608 wisedup Fri, 09 May 2008 13:42:05 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poor-pre-war-planning/#comment-4952608 WANTED: Fireproof sign reading "Welcome Busco!" Call 666,ask for satan. WANTED: Fireproof sign reading “Welcome Busco!” Call 666,ask for satan.

]]> By: Perry logan http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poor-pre-war-planning/comment-page-2/#comment-4952562 Perry logan Fri, 09 May 2008 13:09:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poor-pre-war-planning/#comment-4952562 Look at the bright side. At least he didn't try to pin it on Bill Clinton. Look at the bright side. At least he didn’t try to pin it on Bill Clinton.

]]> By: DallasNE http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poor-pre-war-planning/comment-page-2/#comment-4952558 DallasNE Fri, 09 May 2008 13:05:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poor-pre-war-planning/#comment-4952558 The proof is in the pudding. Shinseki did not pull the number 380,000 out of the sky. The Army manual says it takes some many troops per thousand. Extrapolating that to Iraq's population was the end result which was 380,000. Not exactly rocket science. Rumsfeld choose not to support his General's and in fact forced Shinseki into early retirement. On May 1, 2003 Bush declared that major combat operation were over and a banner the Whitehouse created declared "mission accomplished". Rumsfeld, in other words, is full of it. While Rumsfeld thought he was invincible his resignation did not fix the problem because nothing really changed. Bush simply went out and found another crew of yes men. We are still destroying Iraq. Just look at the current human misery facing the citizens of Sadr City. Two soccer stadiums are being prepared for the refugees fleeing Sadr City. The proof is in the pudding. Shinseki did not pull the number 380,000 out of the sky. The Army manual says it takes some many troops per thousand. Extrapolating that to Iraq’s population was the end result which was 380,000. Not exactly rocket science. Rumsfeld choose not to support his General’s and in fact forced Shinseki into early retirement.

On May 1, 2003 Bush declared that major combat operation were over and a banner the Whitehouse created declared “mission accomplished”.

Rumsfeld, in other words, is full of it. While Rumsfeld thought he was invincible his resignation did not fix the problem because nothing really changed. Bush simply went out and found another crew of yes men. We are still destroying Iraq. Just look at the current human misery facing the citizens of Sadr City. Two soccer stadiums are being prepared for the refugees fleeing Sadr City.

]]> By: Recluse http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poor-pre-war-planning/comment-page-1/#comment-4952548 Recluse Fri, 09 May 2008 12:58:13 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poor-pre-war-planning/#comment-4952548 Rumsfeld should be in jail. Rumsfeld should be in jail.

]]> By: kassandrasduplex http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poor-pre-war-planning/comment-page-1/#comment-4952534 kassandrasduplex Fri, 09 May 2008 12:23:44 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poor-pre-war-planning/#comment-4952534 But let us not forget one overriding truth: ONE AMERICAN SOLDIER'S BOOTS IN IRAQ WAS TOO MUCH BECAUSE REGIME CHANGE IS A VIOLATION OF INTERNATIONAL LAW AND THE INVASION OF IRAQ WAS A WAR CRIME, IF NOT TECHNICALLY, THEN MORALLY!!! Arguing over whether Rumsfeld is a liar or incompetent somewhat misses the point. WHY HAS GWB NOT BEEN IMPEACHED?!? Clinton gets an impeachable blowjob and is the butt of jokes for all time but a psychopathic lying mass murderer sits in the White House UNMOLESTED!!! But let us not forget one overriding truth: ONE AMERICAN SOLDIER’S BOOTS IN IRAQ WAS TOO MUCH BECAUSE REGIME CHANGE IS A VIOLATION OF INTERNATIONAL LAW AND THE INVASION OF IRAQ WAS A WAR CRIME, IF NOT TECHNICALLY, THEN MORALLY!!!
Arguing over whether Rumsfeld is a liar or incompetent somewhat misses the point.
WHY HAS GWB NOT BEEN IMPEACHED?!?
Clinton gets an impeachable blowjob and is the butt of jokes for all time but a psychopathic lying mass murderer sits in the White House UNMOLESTED!!!

]]> By: Above the Clouds http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poor-pre-war-planning/comment-page-1/#comment-4952518 Above the Clouds Fri, 09 May 2008 11:11:38 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poor-pre-war-planning/#comment-4952518 Did Bush really think he had any chance of "winning" what ever it was he was going to "win" in Iraq when he put Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, Rove, Feith, and Bremer "in charge" so he could play "war President?" All of these clowns has slunk back beneath their neocon rocks while the "war President" sits in the White House more disgraced than Nixon (and less popular, too). Did Bush really think he had any chance of “winning” what ever it was he was going to “win” in Iraq when he put Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, Rove, Feith, and Bremer “in charge” so he could play “war President?” All of these clowns has slunk back beneath their neocon rocks while the “war President” sits in the White House more disgraced than Nixon (and less popular, too).

]]> By: obsessed http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poor-pre-war-planning/comment-page-1/#comment-4952508 obsessed Fri, 09 May 2008 08:02:47 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poor-pre-war-planning/#comment-4952508 "You plan a war with the generals you have - not with Doug Feith and Paul Wolfowitz" Ronald Dumsfeld has a great sense of humor and a quick wit, but he's reckless, not very bright, impatient, hotheaded and oblivious to details. John McCain has a great sense of humor and a quick wit, but he's reckless, not very bright, impatient, hotheaded and oblivious to details. “You plan a war with the generals you have – not with Doug Feith and Paul Wolfowitz”

Ronald Dumsfeld has a great sense of humor and a quick wit, but he’s reckless, not very bright, impatient, hotheaded and oblivious to details.

John McCain has a great sense of humor and a quick wit, but he’s reckless, not very bright, impatient, hotheaded and oblivious to details.

]]> By: LoraS http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poor-pre-war-planning/comment-page-1/#comment-4952506 LoraS Fri, 09 May 2008 07:07:14 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poor-pre-war-planning/#comment-4952506 Rummy-Scummy, you should know that you plan war with “the generals you have, not the generals you wish you had.” Rummy-Scummy, you should know that you plan war with
“the generals you have, not the generals you wish you had.”

]]> By: cowalker10 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poor-pre-war-planning/comment-page-1/#comment-4952488 cowalker10 Fri, 09 May 2008 05:22:50 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/rumsfeld-blames-the-generals-for-poor-pre-war-planning/#comment-4952488 Xisithrus said: <blockquote>We should make Rummy drive a Volkswagen ‘Bug’ with a daisy on the dash and work at Chili’s serving spoiled yuppies margaritas on the rocks and quesadillas. Heh</blockquote> No way! Rummy can't have my great job in an economy like this! He needs to work his way up. He needs to start by testing the ice for fecal matter with his tongue and cleaning the bathrooms after $1 Margarita night. Xisithrus said:

We should make Rummy drive a Volkswagen ‘Bug’ with a daisy on the dash and work at Chili’s serving spoiled yuppies margaritas on the rocks and quesadillas. Heh

No way! Rummy can’t have my great job in an economy like this! He needs to work his way up. He needs to start by testing the ice for fecal matter with his tongue and cleaning the bathrooms after $1 Margarita night.

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