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		<title>By: Max-1</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/telecoms-provide-immunity-proposals-to-lawmakers/comment-page-2/#comment-4952500</link>
		<dc:creator>Max-1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 06:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.

&lt;strong&gt;THE PEOPLE SHALL REMEMBER&lt;/strong&gt;,
&lt;strong&gt;COME VOTING TIME NOVEMBER!&lt;/strong&gt;

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<p><strong>THE PEOPLE SHALL REMEMBER</strong>,<br />
<strong>COME VOTING TIME NOVEMBER!</strong></p>
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		<title>By: rockyroad</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/telecoms-provide-immunity-proposals-to-lawmakers/comment-page-2/#comment-4952478</link>
		<dc:creator>rockyroad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 05:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Constitution protects Americans from &quot;Ex Post Facto&quot; laws, so that we connot be convicted of acts committed before the government made those acts illegal.  No where does it grant the Executive, Administrative or Legislative branches preemptive authority to commit violations of citizens&#039; Constitutional rights without a warrant and pass immunization legislation after the fact.

Such retroactive immunity represents the kind of random, willy-nilly law enforcement that was practiced in the courts of France and England that our fore-fathers sought to prohibit.

King dub&#039;ya&#039;s cronies describe this country as an &quot;empire.&quot;  It&#039;s sickening.

We must charge the next president with the duty to circumscribe presidential power within the limits that it was originally intended.  We are a young country . . . an experiment in democracy . . . we must elect leaders that are willing to circumscribe their own power in order to serve the will of the people.

Only a facist country would permit the telecoms to write their own plea bargin.  You couldn&#039;t do it.  I couldn&#039;t do it.  Surly,  Bush and Cheney have drafted their own as well.

Let that freak flag fly...slam the telecoms that slammed your privacy and spied on you.  It&#039;s your right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Constitution protects Americans from &#8220;Ex Post Facto&#8221; laws, so that we connot be convicted of acts committed before the government made those acts illegal.  No where does it grant the Executive, Administrative or Legislative branches preemptive authority to commit violations of citizens&#8217; Constitutional rights without a warrant and pass immunization legislation after the fact.</p>
<p>Such retroactive immunity represents the kind of random, willy-nilly law enforcement that was practiced in the courts of France and England that our fore-fathers sought to prohibit.</p>
<p>King dub&#8217;ya&#8217;s cronies describe this country as an &#8220;empire.&#8221;  It&#8217;s sickening.</p>
<p>We must charge the next president with the duty to circumscribe presidential power within the limits that it was originally intended.  We are a young country . . . an experiment in democracy . . . we must elect leaders that are willing to circumscribe their own power in order to serve the will of the people.</p>
<p>Only a facist country would permit the telecoms to write their own plea bargin.  You couldn&#8217;t do it.  I couldn&#8217;t do it.  Surly,  Bush and Cheney have drafted their own as well.</p>
<p>Let that freak flag fly&#8230;slam the telecoms that slammed your privacy and spied on you.  It&#8217;s your right.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4952478', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: FunMe</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/telecoms-provide-immunity-proposals-to-lawmakers/comment-page-1/#comment-4952230</link>
		<dc:creator>FunMe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 23:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WHY o WHY are we here again.

JUST SAY NO!  to immunity to the telecoms

Everyone knows that they are hiding something or protecting bush. Enough is enough.

Any Democrat, and republiCON of course, who does not understand what NO IMMUNITY means should be booted out in November 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHY o WHY are we here again.</p>
<p>JUST SAY NO!  to immunity to the telecoms</p>
<p>Everyone knows that they are hiding something or protecting bush. Enough is enough.</p>
<p>Any Democrat, and republiCON of course, who does not understand what NO IMMUNITY means should be booted out in November 2008.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4952230', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul W</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/telecoms-provide-immunity-proposals-to-lawmakers/comment-page-1/#comment-4951954</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 21:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;House leaders have not yet accepted the companies’ proposals, and many lawmakers are still insisting that the &lt;strong&gt;telecoms be held responsible&lt;/strong&gt; for participating in the administration’s wiretapping program.&lt;/em&gt;

The telecoms &lt;em&gt;should&lt;/em&gt; be held accountable for their actions.  But as important as that is, the far greater issue is the ability to fully investigate Bush&#039;s lawlessness.  The telecom lawsuits are our last avenue to investigate Bush&#039;s illegal spying on Americans.

http://progressiveworldreview.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>House leaders have not yet accepted the companies’ proposals, and many lawmakers are still insisting that the <strong>telecoms be held responsible</strong> for participating in the administration’s wiretapping program.</em></p>
<p>The telecoms <em>should</em> be held accountable for their actions.  But as important as that is, the far greater issue is the ability to fully investigate Bush&#8217;s lawlessness.  The telecom lawsuits are our last avenue to investigate Bush&#8217;s illegal spying on Americans.</p>
<p><a href="http://progressiveworldreview.com" rel="nofollow">http://progressiveworldreview.com</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4951954', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: freeman</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/telecoms-provide-immunity-proposals-to-lawmakers/comment-page-1/#comment-4951782</link>
		<dc:creator>freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 19:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The American People will remember who protected and who betrayed them !</description>
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		<title>By: StratRat</title>
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		<dc:creator>StratRat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 19:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Folks its called Fascism. It&#039;s really that simple. And to answer your question about constitutionality, we would need an opposing party with a spine to accomplish anything in that arena. So don&#039;t hold your breath.

I vaguely recall the 4th amendment concerning unreasonable search and seizures. I guess the Constitution in a non-issue, according to our Government - of the people, by the people, and for the people. We had a great country once. Shame we allowed it to get away from us. Can we get it back?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks its called Fascism. It&#8217;s really that simple. And to answer your question about constitutionality, we would need an opposing party with a spine to accomplish anything in that arena. So don&#8217;t hold your breath.</p>
<p>I vaguely recall the 4th amendment concerning unreasonable search and seizures. I guess the Constitution in a non-issue, according to our Government &#8211; of the people, by the people, and for the people. We had a great country once. Shame we allowed it to get away from us. Can we get it back?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4951770', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: freeman</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/telecoms-provide-immunity-proposals-to-lawmakers/comment-page-1/#comment-4951762</link>
		<dc:creator>freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 19:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bushes popularity will definitely be tanking still further with recession and the consumers paying record gas prices at the pump this summer .His rating will never be this high again ... mark my words . a 28 % approval rating will be a high point . 
 The virtual collapse of the value of the dollar abroad will be the only thing falling faster .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bushes popularity will definitely be tanking still further with recession and the consumers paying record gas prices at the pump this summer .His rating will never be this high again &#8230; mark my words . a 28 % approval rating will be a high point .<br />
 The virtual collapse of the value of the dollar abroad will be the only thing falling faster .<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4951762', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: freeman</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/telecoms-provide-immunity-proposals-to-lawmakers/comment-page-1/#comment-4951744</link>
		<dc:creator>freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 19:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay Rockerfeller is  a man of the people ... NOT ....!!!
 Jay Rockerfeller ,
 as your grandfathers company EXXON is posting record profits , you are sheltering from prosecution criminals who have broken real and applicable laws ! Get your priorities straight or you and yours will be lumped togrther with the most un popular presidency in American history .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay Rockerfeller is  a man of the people &#8230; NOT &#8230;.!!!<br />
 Jay Rockerfeller ,<br />
 as your grandfathers company EXXON is posting record profits , you are sheltering from prosecution criminals who have broken real and applicable laws ! Get your priorities straight or you and yours will be lumped togrther with the most un popular presidency in American history .<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4951744', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: freeman</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/telecoms-provide-immunity-proposals-to-lawmakers/comment-page-1/#comment-4951702</link>
		<dc:creator>freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 19:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is incredible , does anyone believe it&#039;s actually constitutional to pass a law to excuse your breaking a law retroactively ? Add telecom immubity and you are removeing the TEETH from Fisa , all that will be left for congress to do is to gum them to death.
 Don&#039;t cave in to crocodile tears, prosecute the law breakers ! 
THIS IS AMERICA ? REMEMBER ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is incredible , does anyone believe it&#8217;s actually constitutional to pass a law to excuse your breaking a law retroactively ? Add telecom immubity and you are removeing the TEETH from Fisa , all that will be left for congress to do is to gum them to death.<br />
 Don&#8217;t cave in to crocodile tears, prosecute the law breakers !<br />
THIS IS AMERICA ? REMEMBER ?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4951702', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: sacopenapa</title>
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		<dc:creator>sacopenapa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 18:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me get it straight... They broke the law. (Noticed the full stop?) and now they (The ones who broke the law) are providing &quot;ideas&quot; to the representatives of the people (Who suffered with their abuse) on &#039;How to get away with it???????!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me get it straight&#8230; They broke the law. (Noticed the full stop?) and now they (The ones who broke the law) are providing &#8220;ideas&#8221; to the representatives of the people (Who suffered with their abuse) on &#8216;How to get away with it???????!!!!!!!!!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4951628', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: sacopenapa</title>
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		<dc:creator>sacopenapa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 18:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People should surround congress in masses and demand &lt;strong&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;ACCOUNTABILITY&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;/strong&gt;. Demand the restoration of the Rule of LAW!!!!!!! Does Congress realizes the World is watching? People are aware of what is actually happening???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People should surround congress in masses and demand <strong></p>
<blockquote><p>ACCOUNTABILITY</p></blockquote>
<p></strong>. Demand the restoration of the Rule of LAW!!!!!!! Does Congress realizes the World is watching? People are aware of what is actually happening???<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4951616', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Max-1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max-1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 18:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.

One of the defining principles to what it means to BE an American is the ability to be FREE from a form of Government that seeks to spy and regulate your private and personal lives; &lt;strong&gt;THE FREEDOM FROM TYRANNY!&lt;/strong&gt; 

&lt;strong&gt;R E M E M B E R:&lt;/strong&gt;
THEY(sic) HATE US FOR OUR FREEDOMS...
And so THEY(sic) debate and lobby the merits to undermining those very freedoms THEY(sic) hate.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Freedom #5:&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;em&gt;The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, &lt;strong&gt;shall not be violated&lt;/strong&gt;, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.&lt;/em&gt; 

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<p>One of the defining principles to what it means to BE an American is the ability to be FREE from a form of Government that seeks to spy and regulate your private and personal lives; <strong>THE FREEDOM FROM TYRANNY!</strong> </p>
<p><strong>R E M E M B E R:</strong><br />
THEY(sic) HATE US FOR OUR FREEDOMS&#8230;<br />
And so THEY(sic) debate and lobby the merits to undermining those very freedoms THEY(sic) hate.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html" rel="nofollow">Freedom #5:</a><br />
<em>The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, <strong>shall not be violated</strong>, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.</em> </p>
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		<title>By: trollsbwild</title>
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		<dc:creator>trollsbwild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 17:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Call your congressman NOW and let them know if they vote to grant telecoms immunity, you will vote them out of office.  These scums keep trying to get this bill passed. Make sure you let them know you are watching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call your congressman NOW and let them know if they vote to grant telecoms immunity, you will vote them out of office.  These scums keep trying to get this bill passed. Make sure you let them know you are watching.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4951462', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Exit Stage Left</title>
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		<dc:creator>Exit Stage Left</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 17:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;ctcadguy Says: 
The priviledges have been suspended for all.&lt;/em&gt;

Uh..No...not for &lt;em&gt;all&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>ctcadguy Says:<br />
The priviledges have been suspended for all.</em></p>
<p>Uh..No&#8230;not for <em>all</em>.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4951404', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: ctcadguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>ctcadguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 17:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George Carlin:

You have no rights, just temporary priviledges.

Ask the Americans of Japanese descent about thier precious rights when they were hearded into concentration camps back in 1942.

Today we are a fascist police state - make no mistake about that. The priviledges have been suspended for all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George Carlin:</p>
<p>You have no rights, just temporary priviledges.</p>
<p>Ask the Americans of Japanese descent about thier precious rights when they were hearded into concentration camps back in 1942.</p>
<p>Today we are a fascist police state &#8211; make no mistake about that. The priviledges have been suspended for all.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4951376', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: theswan</title>
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		<dc:creator>theswan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 17:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two sets of judicial standards won&#039;t make anything right.  
If the House gives them a get out of jail free card, they should also release hundreds of thousands of lesser offender from their jail cells.
No comprises!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two sets of judicial standards won&#8217;t make anything right.<br />
If the House gives them a get out of jail free card, they should also release hundreds of thousands of lesser offender from their jail cells.<br />
No comprises!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4951364', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: IgnoranceIsNotBliss</title>
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		<dc:creator>IgnoranceIsNotBliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 17:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So let me take a gander: Their proposal(s) include no oaths and no transcripts yes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So let me take a gander: Their proposal(s) include no oaths and no transcripts yes?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4951330', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: impeachcheneythenbush</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/telecoms-provide-immunity-proposals-to-lawmakers/comment-page-1/#comment-4951288</link>
		<dc:creator>impeachcheneythenbush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 16:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In point of fact, there is NO NEED for a Protect America act to be continued as well.  This administration tries to sell it as if the entire FISA act was gone.  The central reason for the PA Act was immunity (without disclosure) for the telecoms. Either full disclosure is required prior to any possible negotiations, or the whole thing goes away.  My preference would be to allow the lawsuits to go into pending mode until the new Democratic administration takes over in January 2009.  Oh yes...and deep six Rockefeller - time for him to leave the Senate.  He is running for reelection this year.  And here&#039;s another reason for him to go:

&quot;Though publicly deploring torture, Rockefeller was one of two Congressional Democrats briefed on waterboarding and other secret CIA practices in the early years of the Bush Administration, as well as the existence of taped evidence of such interrogations (later destroyed).[13] In December 2007, Rockefeller opposed a special counsel or commission inquiry into the destruction of the tapes, stating &quot;it is the job of the intelligence committees to do that.&quot;[14]

On September 28, 2006, Rockefeller voted with a largely Republican majority to suspend habeas corpus provisions for anyone deemed by the Executive Branch an &quot;unlawful combatant,&quot; barring them from challenging their detentions in court. Rockefeller&#039;s vote gave a retroactive, nine-year immunity to U.S. officials who authorized, ordered, or committed acts of torture and abuse, permitting the use of statements obtained through torture to be used in military tribunals so long as the abuse took place by December 30, 2005.[15] Rockefeller&#039;s vote authorized the President to establish permissible interrogation techniques and to &quot;interpret the meaning and application&quot; of international Geneva Convention standards, so long as the coercion fell short of &quot;serious&quot; bodily or psychological injury.[16][17] The bill became law on October 17, 2006.&quot;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Rockefeller#Retroactive_immunity_for_torture</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In point of fact, there is NO NEED for a Protect America act to be continued as well.  This administration tries to sell it as if the entire FISA act was gone.  The central reason for the PA Act was immunity (without disclosure) for the telecoms. Either full disclosure is required prior to any possible negotiations, or the whole thing goes away.  My preference would be to allow the lawsuits to go into pending mode until the new Democratic administration takes over in January 2009.  Oh yes&#8230;and deep six Rockefeller &#8211; time for him to leave the Senate.  He is running for reelection this year.  And here&#8217;s another reason for him to go:</p>
<p>&#8220;Though publicly deploring torture, Rockefeller was one of two Congressional Democrats briefed on waterboarding and other secret CIA practices in the early years of the Bush Administration, as well as the existence of taped evidence of such interrogations (later destroyed).[13] In December 2007, Rockefeller opposed a special counsel or commission inquiry into the destruction of the tapes, stating &#8220;it is the job of the intelligence committees to do that.&#8221;[14]</p>
<p>On September 28, 2006, Rockefeller voted with a largely Republican majority to suspend habeas corpus provisions for anyone deemed by the Executive Branch an &#8220;unlawful combatant,&#8221; barring them from challenging their detentions in court. Rockefeller&#8217;s vote gave a retroactive, nine-year immunity to U.S. officials who authorized, ordered, or committed acts of torture and abuse, permitting the use of statements obtained through torture to be used in military tribunals so long as the abuse took place by December 30, 2005.[15] Rockefeller&#8217;s vote authorized the President to establish permissible interrogation techniques and to &#8220;interpret the meaning and application&#8221; of international Geneva Convention standards, so long as the coercion fell short of &#8220;serious&#8221; bodily or psychological injury.[16][17] The bill became law on October 17, 2006.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Rockefeller#Retroactive_immunity_for_torture" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Rockefeller#Retroactive_immunity_for_torture</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4951288', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: RUCerious</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/telecoms-provide-immunity-proposals-to-lawmakers/comment-page-1/#comment-4951282</link>
		<dc:creator>RUCerious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 16:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you took these proposals, rolled them up real tight, would they be shovableuptheTelcom&#039;s collective rectal cavity?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you took these proposals, rolled them up real tight, would they be shovableuptheTelcom&#8217;s collective rectal cavity?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4951282', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Buckie Boy</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/08/telecoms-provide-immunity-proposals-to-lawmakers/comment-page-1/#comment-4951272</link>
		<dc:creator>Buckie Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 16:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Telecoms to congress - Your fearless leader made us do it. So it&#039;s not our fault. So there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Telecoms to congress &#8211; Your fearless leader made us do it. So it&#8217;s not our fault. So there.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4951272', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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