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	<title>Comments on: Bond Proposes Rewriting Army Field Manual To Expand Interrogation Options</title>
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		<title>By: IceNine</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/bond-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-4955162</link>
		<dc:creator>IceNine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 21:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bond is among the most odious creatures in the Senate.

When I was in the service, I attended the US Army Intelligence Center and School at Fort Huachuca, AZ.  I was learning another specialty, but I spent a fair amount of time with the folks in the interrogator&#039;s course.  (Friendly tip:  Never play poker with interrogators.)  There are enough tools for expert interrogators to work with that do not involve physical distress.  Torture is morally repugnant, but it is also &lt;em&gt;ineffective&lt;/em&gt;.  It produces lousy, unreliable information.

Copano Texian, incidentally, makes it clear that at least one village in Texas still has its village idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bond is among the most odious creatures in the Senate.</p>
<p>When I was in the service, I attended the US Army Intelligence Center and School at Fort Huachuca, AZ.  I was learning another specialty, but I spent a fair amount of time with the folks in the interrogator&#8217;s course.  (Friendly tip:  Never play poker with interrogators.)  There are enough tools for expert interrogators to work with that do not involve physical distress.  Torture is morally repugnant, but it is also <em>ineffective</em>.  It produces lousy, unreliable information.</p>
<p>Copano Texian, incidentally, makes it clear that at least one village in Texas still has its village idiot.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4955162', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Copano_Texian</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/bond-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-4954364</link>
		<dc:creator>Copano_Texian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 16:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>awww, poor little guys, dont be rough with the honor killing, little girl circumsizing, beheading, civilian hiding behind sons of dogs. you argue its your right to take my tax dollars to do what ever your sick mind comes up with to Christian symbols, but you cry like babies at the thought of one of your allies seeing to much eyebrow of one of the female US soldiers who have captured his cowardly hide.LOL&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>awww, poor little guys, dont be rough with the honor killing, little girl circumsizing, beheading, civilian hiding behind sons of dogs. you argue its your right to take my tax dollars to do what ever your sick mind comes up with to Christian symbols, but you cry like babies at the thought of one of your allies seeing to much eyebrow of one of the female US soldiers who have captured his cowardly hide.LOL&gt;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4954364', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Evil Spaniard</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/bond-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-4954236</link>
		<dc:creator>Evil Spaniard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 11:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Interrogation Options&quot;? Please. Another deceiving name for torture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Interrogation Options&#8221;? Please. Another deceiving name for torture.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4954236', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: jonny</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/bond-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-4954126</link>
		<dc:creator>jonny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 02:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s waterboard the squirmy little punk (Bond) and THEN help him rewrite the manual.

I&#039;ll take point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s waterboard the squirmy little punk (Bond) and THEN help him rewrite the manual.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll take point.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4954126', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: questioneverything</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/bond-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-4954114</link>
		<dc:creator>questioneverything</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 02:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Split another few more hares and we can make stew. Wasn&#039;t this the &quot;Law and Order Party&quot; a few years ago? Unfortunately, he&#039;s not up for re-election this year. Let&#039;s hear from you Pat Roberts of Kansas, or James Inhofe of Oklahoma. What do these geniuses say in their campaigns? I&#039;d guess that torture isn&#039;t even a topic of their campaign stops or ads. Maybe &quot;Kill em all.&quot; That should go over with the uninformed of their states. How about numerous lies about taking away their guns or Obama is a Muslim or we are all gonna die? That would be more like it. Do we have enough hate in this country yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Split another few more hares and we can make stew. Wasn&#8217;t this the &#8220;Law and Order Party&#8221; a few years ago? Unfortunately, he&#8217;s not up for re-election this year. Let&#8217;s hear from you Pat Roberts of Kansas, or James Inhofe of Oklahoma. What do these geniuses say in their campaigns? I&#8217;d guess that torture isn&#8217;t even a topic of their campaign stops or ads. Maybe &#8220;Kill em all.&#8221; That should go over with the uninformed of their states. How about numerous lies about taking away their guns or Obama is a Muslim or we are all gonna die? That would be more like it. Do we have enough hate in this country yet?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4954114', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: MapleStreet</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/bond-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-4954102</link>
		<dc:creator>MapleStreet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 02:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>seems Gen Maples is missing the point.  They tried to make it a law that the CIA be limited to the Army Field Manual.

No problem, just add waterboarding the the field manual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>seems Gen Maples is missing the point.  They tried to make it a law that the CIA be limited to the Army Field Manual.</p>
<p>No problem, just add waterboarding the the field manual.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4954102', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: BillFromDover</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/bond-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-4954006</link>
		<dc:creator>BillFromDover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 00:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see where digging someone&#039;s eyeball out with a fork is specifically banned. Is that supposed to hurt?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see where digging someone&#8217;s eyeball out with a fork is specifically banned. Is that supposed to hurt?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4954006', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: McWars</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/bond-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-4953994</link>
		<dc:creator>McWars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 00:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoop -- #26, I meant to post on the top thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoop &#8212; #26, I meant to post on the top thread.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4953994', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: McWars</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/bond-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-4953990</link>
		<dc:creator>McWars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 00:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today is good day for the aggressive (white) male book of justice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today is good day for the aggressive (white) male book of justice.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4953990', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Ho</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/bond-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-4953944</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle Ho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 23:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Upside; long time, no see.  where you been?  glad to have you back here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Upside; long time, no see.  where you been?  glad to have you back here.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4953944', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Merlin</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/bond-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-4953936</link>
		<dc:creator>Merlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 23:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;In a letter to fellow senators yesterday, Bond proposed explicitly outlining what tactics are banned, rather than which ones are allowed&lt;/em&gt;

Boy is this ever a slick con. Under Bond&#039;s plan then, waterboarding would be legal unless specifically noted. So any &quot;creative&quot; change makes the new technique acceptable until put on the list. So if you use wine instead of water its not waterboarding. Right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>In a letter to fellow senators yesterday, Bond proposed explicitly outlining what tactics are banned, rather than which ones are allowed</em></p>
<p>Boy is this ever a slick con. Under Bond&#8217;s plan then, waterboarding would be legal unless specifically noted. So any &#8220;creative&#8221; change makes the new technique acceptable until put on the list. So if you use wine instead of water its not waterboarding. Right?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4953936', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: williamf</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/bond-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-4953930</link>
		<dc:creator>williamf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 23:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who is this Senator to think that torture is the way to go?  How are we even having this discussion in the United States?  This man and many others sound like third world leaders.  We must be different because we say we are the leading democracy in the world.  You can&#039;t have freedom and torture together.  You cannot mix rendition, phone tapping, secrets to the nth degree and be a democracy.  We are fast heading in the direction of a fascist terrorist state ourselves.  Kit Bond and those like him need to pull back a little and reflect.  We are supposed to be the good guys.  And yes...we are smarter than torture, better than torture,  and we should be ashamed of torture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who is this Senator to think that torture is the way to go?  How are we even having this discussion in the United States?  This man and many others sound like third world leaders.  We must be different because we say we are the leading democracy in the world.  You can&#8217;t have freedom and torture together.  You cannot mix rendition, phone tapping, secrets to the nth degree and be a democracy.  We are fast heading in the direction of a fascist terrorist state ourselves.  Kit Bond and those like him need to pull back a little and reflect.  We are supposed to be the good guys.  And yes&#8230;we are smarter than torture, better than torture,  and we should be ashamed of torture.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4953930', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Klem Kiddilehopper</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/bond-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-4953918</link>
		<dc:creator>Klem Kiddilehopper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 23:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Hell hath no fury than a noncombatant!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hell hath no fury than a noncombatant!&#8221;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4953918', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: gummitch</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/bond-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-4953914</link>
		<dc:creator>gummitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 23:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;JMOHR Says:

Yes, it is illegal unless strictly prohibited. Hm, being forced to eat feces? Not in there. Well go ahead. What about electrodes to the body? Well, depends - it is a lot like different swimming styles.&lt;/em&gt;

Does it mention a hot lead enema? Bamboo slivers under the nails? Tiger cages (Hey, John!)? Strappado? (Don&#039;t google that one, folks, lotsa pr0n). Maybe an Iron Maiden (and not the band, although under certain circumstances...)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>JMOHR Says:</p>
<p>Yes, it is illegal unless strictly prohibited. Hm, being forced to eat feces? Not in there. Well go ahead. What about electrodes to the body? Well, depends &#8211; it is a lot like different swimming styles.</em></p>
<p>Does it mention a hot lead enema? Bamboo slivers under the nails? Tiger cages (Hey, John!)? Strappado? (Don&#8217;t google that one, folks, lotsa pr0n). Maybe an Iron Maiden (and not the band, although under certain circumstances&#8230;)?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4953914', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: robbez_92107</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/bond-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-4953910</link>
		<dc:creator>robbez_92107</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 23:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buckie Boy Says: John McSame = Abe Simpson.
I think you&#039;re on to something.  Cardboard, syrup and ants is just brilliant, though.  I&#039;m still laughing, hours later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buckie Boy Says: John McSame = Abe Simpson.<br />
I think you&#8217;re on to something.  Cardboard, syrup and ants is just brilliant, though.  I&#8217;m still laughing, hours later.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4953910', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 23:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vetvoice.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=710&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Waterboarding Results in More Terrorist Attacks&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vetvoice.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=623&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Argument Against Torture -- From a Seasoned Interrogator&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.vetvoice.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=710" rel="nofollow">Waterboarding Results in More Terrorist Attacks</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.vetvoice.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=623" rel="nofollow">The Argument Against Torture &#8212; From a Seasoned Interrogator</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4953906', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Buckie Boy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buckie Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 23:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>obbez_92107 when I do the Grampy McSane things, try and do them in the Simpsons, Homer&#039;s dad, Grandpa Simpsons voice, much funnier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>obbez_92107 when I do the Grampy McSane things, try and do them in the Simpsons, Homer&#8217;s dad, Grandpa Simpsons voice, much funnier.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4953904', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris L</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/bond-torture/comment-page-1/#comment-4953902</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 23:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only people who support torture are the pundits and the politicians.  Professional soldiers and professional interrogators do not use it and do not like to receive detainees that have been tainted by it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only people who support torture are the pundits and the politicians.  Professional soldiers and professional interrogators do not use it and do not like to receive detainees that have been tainted by it.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4953902', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Ms_Joanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ms_Joanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 23:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go ahead...write it, vote on it, and approve it.

And when the world community comes a knockin&#039;, we&#039;ll hand you over like a hotter than hot potato.  Rendition, anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go ahead&#8230;write it, vote on it, and approve it.</p>
<p>And when the world community comes a knockin&#8217;, we&#8217;ll hand you over like a hotter than hot potato.  Rendition, anyone?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4953898', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Max-1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max-1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 23:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone ever wonder why America is in the crapper...

TOO MUCH COMPROMISING BY IT&#039;S LEADERSHIP...!

America&#039;s Leadership has compromised away what used to be core principles and values so as to allow a pervasive ANTI-American philosophy dictated by outside nations and corporations.</description>
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<p>TOO MUCH COMPROMISING BY IT&#8217;S LEADERSHIP&#8230;!</p>
<p>America&#8217;s Leadership has compromised away what used to be core principles and values so as to allow a pervasive ANTI-American philosophy dictated by outside nations and corporations.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4953896', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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