Comments on: Federal judge orders CIA to turn over 2002 torture memo for review. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/federal-judge-orders-cia-to-turn-over-2002-torture-memo-for-review/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:23:51 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Quizmos http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/federal-judge-orders-cia-to-turn-over-2002-torture-memo-for-review/comment-page-1/#comment-4954208 Quizmos Sat, 10 May 2008 07:50:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/federal-judge-orders-cia-to-turn-over-2002-torture-memo-for-review/#comment-4954208 We are usually able to hide our shame behind the cloak of National Security, I don't see why this instance is any different. Who is asleep at the wheel here? Hellerstien's days as a Federal Judge are surely numbered. He may end up retiring to spend more time with his family, and slogging for McCain as a campaign manager. We are usually able to hide our shame behind the cloak of National Security, I don’t see why this instance is any different. Who is asleep at the wheel here? Hellerstien’s days as a Federal Judge are surely numbered. He may end up retiring to spend more time with his family, and slogging for McCain as a campaign manager.

]]> By: Art http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/federal-judge-orders-cia-to-turn-over-2002-torture-memo-for-review/comment-page-1/#comment-4953012 Art Fri, 09 May 2008 16:46:09 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/federal-judge-orders-cia-to-turn-over-2002-torture-memo-for-review/#comment-4953012 Good luck with that. Let us know how it goes. Good luck with that. Let us know how it goes.

]]> By: ralph the wonder llama http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/federal-judge-orders-cia-to-turn-over-2002-torture-memo-for-review/comment-page-1/#comment-4952906 ralph the wonder llama Fri, 09 May 2008 16:16:34 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/federal-judge-orders-cia-to-turn-over-2002-torture-memo-for-review/#comment-4952906 <strong>Federal judge orders CIA to turn over 2002 torture memo for review</strong> CIA replies: "Make us" Federal judge orders CIA to turn over 2002 torture memo for review

CIA replies: “Make us”

]]> By: specialist f http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/federal-judge-orders-cia-to-turn-over-2002-torture-memo-for-review/comment-page-1/#comment-4952850 specialist f Fri, 09 May 2008 15:55:37 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/federal-judge-orders-cia-to-turn-over-2002-torture-memo-for-review/#comment-4952850 Aw,c'mon you libruls. We can't chance the turrurist finding out how we torture people. Can't you see that dubya is only looking out for us by making those mooslims pay. Why do you guys hate Amurica? ;) Aw,c’mon you libruls. We can’t chance the turrurist finding out how we torture people. Can’t you see that dubya is only looking out for us by making those mooslims pay. Why do you guys hate Amurica? ;)

]]> By: Zooey http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/federal-judge-orders-cia-to-turn-over-2002-torture-memo-for-review/comment-page-1/#comment-4952846 Zooey Fri, 09 May 2008 15:54:11 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/federal-judge-orders-cia-to-turn-over-2002-torture-memo-for-review/#comment-4952846 How is Judge Hellerstein's order an "unusual move?" The Judge must review the document in question to make a determination either way. Of course, why this is even in court is a whole other barrel of monkeys. How is Judge Hellerstein’s order an “unusual move?”

The Judge must review the document in question to make a determination either way.

Of course, why this is even in court is a whole other barrel of monkeys.

]]> By: Paul W http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/federal-judge-orders-cia-to-turn-over-2002-torture-memo-for-review/comment-page-1/#comment-4952840 Paul W Fri, 09 May 2008 15:48:38 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/federal-judge-orders-cia-to-turn-over-2002-torture-memo-for-review/#comment-4952840 <em>In an “unusual” move, U.S. District Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein of New York yesterday ordered the CIA “to submit to the court a 2002 memo said to specify harsh interrogation methods used on suspected terrorists held abroad.”</em> Hellerstein must be a holdover from the Clinton administration. He <em>can't</em> be a Bush bot. http://progressiveworldreview.com In an “unusual” move, U.S. District Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein of New York yesterday ordered the CIA “to submit to the court a 2002 memo said to specify harsh interrogation methods used on suspected terrorists held abroad.”

Hellerstein must be a holdover from the Clinton administration. He can’t be a Bush bot.

http://progressiveworldreview.com

]]> By: gkam http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/federal-judge-orders-cia-to-turn-over-2002-torture-memo-for-review/comment-page-1/#comment-4952826 gkam Fri, 09 May 2008 15:38:24 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/federal-judge-orders-cia-to-turn-over-2002-torture-memo-for-review/#comment-4952826 In former days, when difficult decisions had to be made regarding serious issues of life and death, those involved in determining policy often used themselves or their loved ones first, before inflicting their tests on others. Jonas Salk tried his live poliomyelitis vaccine on his own children before he tried it on the kids of others. The doctors who conquered the Yellow Fever vectors used themselves as guinea pigs. We should insist on the same methodology in their determination of whether waterboarding ("The Water Torture"), is okay to use or not. Since it is controlled drowning, not "simulated drowning", and can actually kill the victim, they will want an outsider (such as me), to help insure a safe, yet complete experience. As a Good Citizen, I will comply. In former days, when difficult decisions had to be made regarding serious issues of life and death, those involved in determining policy often used themselves or their loved ones first, before inflicting their tests on others. Jonas Salk tried his live poliomyelitis vaccine on his own children before he tried it on the kids of others. The doctors who conquered the Yellow Fever vectors used themselves as guinea pigs.

We should insist on the same methodology in their determination of whether waterboarding (”The Water Torture”), is okay to use or not.

Since it is controlled drowning, not “simulated drowning”, and can actually kill the victim, they will want an outsider (such as me), to help insure a safe, yet complete experience.

As a Good Citizen, I will comply.

]]> By: Bobwurst http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/federal-judge-orders-cia-to-turn-over-2002-torture-memo-for-review/comment-page-1/#comment-4952824 Bobwurst Fri, 09 May 2008 15:37:34 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/federal-judge-orders-cia-to-turn-over-2002-torture-memo-for-review/#comment-4952824 Bushco doesn't believe in "justice", they believe in "just us" Bushco doesn’t believe in “justice”, they believe in “just us”

]]> By: Freedom Rebel http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/federal-judge-orders-cia-to-turn-over-2002-torture-memo-for-review/comment-page-1/#comment-4952816 Freedom Rebel Fri, 09 May 2008 15:31:36 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/federal-judge-orders-cia-to-turn-over-2002-torture-memo-for-review/#comment-4952816 I find this extremely tragic that the ACLU and other groups have to bring a FOIA lawsuit in order to determine whether the 2002 memo should be made public. It is pretty bad when the Justice Department <strong>can not be counted on </strong>to enforce the laws or uphold them when it really matters. They continually turn a blind eye to the most reprehensible offenses. I find this extremely tragic that the ACLU and other groups have to bring a FOIA lawsuit in order to determine whether the 2002 memo should be made public. It is pretty bad when the Justice Department can not be counted on to enforce the laws or uphold them when it really matters. They continually turn a blind eye to the most reprehensible offenses.

]]> By: McWars http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/federal-judge-orders-cia-to-turn-over-2002-torture-memo-for-review/comment-page-1/#comment-4952814 McWars Fri, 09 May 2008 15:31:12 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/federal-judge-orders-cia-to-turn-over-2002-torture-memo-for-review/#comment-4952814 I'm sorry, Geeks is not relevant here. I meant Fellowes shredders. I’m sorry, Geeks is not relevant here. I meant Fellowes shredders.

]]> By: McWars http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/federal-judge-orders-cia-to-turn-over-2002-torture-memo-for-review/comment-page-1/#comment-4952810 McWars Fri, 09 May 2008 15:30:13 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/federal-judge-orders-cia-to-turn-over-2002-torture-memo-for-review/#comment-4952810 I predict Geeks-on-call profits to jump this quarter. I predict Geeks-on-call profits to jump this quarter.

]]> By: Badmoodman http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/federal-judge-orders-cia-to-turn-over-2002-torture-memo-for-review/comment-page-1/#comment-4952800 Badmoodman Fri, 09 May 2008 15:24:33 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/federal-judge-orders-cia-to-turn-over-2002-torture-memo-for-review/#comment-4952800 #2: <em>John Yoo may want to flee the country.</em> - - Yoo's safe haven is in the U.S. He goes to another country and they may arrest him for war crimes. #2: John Yoo may want to flee the country.

– - Yoo’s safe haven is in the U.S. He goes to another country and they may arrest him for war crimes.

]]> By: trollsbwild http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/federal-judge-orders-cia-to-turn-over-2002-torture-memo-for-review/comment-page-1/#comment-4952796 trollsbwild Fri, 09 May 2008 15:24:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/federal-judge-orders-cia-to-turn-over-2002-torture-memo-for-review/#comment-4952796 This memo has as much chance seeing the light of day as Hillary does being the Dem candidate. Too bad. I'm sure it would make interesting reading and would have Bushco have to stand trial for war crimes. This memo has as much chance seeing the light of day as Hillary does being the Dem candidate.
Too bad. I’m sure it would make interesting reading and would have Bushco have to stand trial for war crimes.

]]> By: Badmoodman http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/federal-judge-orders-cia-to-turn-over-2002-torture-memo-for-review/comment-page-1/#comment-4952792 Badmoodman Fri, 09 May 2008 15:22:54 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/federal-judge-orders-cia-to-turn-over-2002-torture-memo-for-review/#comment-4952792 The government lawyers will stonewall it. This administration will never be held accountable to the rule of law until some legal hero(es) goes to the wall with them. The government lawyers will stonewall it. This administration will never be held accountable to the rule of law until some legal hero(es) goes to the wall with them.

]]> By: IgnoranceIsNotBliss http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/federal-judge-orders-cia-to-turn-over-2002-torture-memo-for-review/comment-page-1/#comment-4952774 IgnoranceIsNotBliss Fri, 09 May 2008 15:14:05 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/federal-judge-orders-cia-to-turn-over-2002-torture-memo-for-review/#comment-4952774 I think all these guys should flee the country and let the adults get busy fixing their mess ups. I think all these guys should flee the country and let the adults get busy fixing their mess ups.

]]> By: Exit Stage Left http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/federal-judge-orders-cia-to-turn-over-2002-torture-memo-for-review/comment-page-1/#comment-4952770 Exit Stage Left Fri, 09 May 2008 15:13:48 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/federal-judge-orders-cia-to-turn-over-2002-torture-memo-for-review/#comment-4952770 Silly, cynical me...Why is it I don't believe they'll be providing this in a timely fashion? Silly, cynical me…Why is it I don’t believe they’ll be providing this in a timely fashion?

]]> By: Fritz http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/federal-judge-orders-cia-to-turn-over-2002-torture-memo-for-review/comment-page-1/#comment-4952768 Fritz Fri, 09 May 2008 15:13:37 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/federal-judge-orders-cia-to-turn-over-2002-torture-memo-for-review/#comment-4952768 It begins... Or maybe not. It begins…

Or maybe not.

]]> By: singe_101 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/federal-judge-orders-cia-to-turn-over-2002-torture-memo-for-review/comment-page-1/#comment-4952760 singe_101 Fri, 09 May 2008 15:09:16 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/federal-judge-orders-cia-to-turn-over-2002-torture-memo-for-review/#comment-4952760 "The dog ate it!" “The dog ate it!”

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