Comments on: Sands: Bush’s Architects Of Torture Are ‘Weaseling Out’ Of Responsibility For ‘Crimes’ http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/11/sands-moyers/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:23:51 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: youtube http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/11/sands-moyers/comment-page-1/#comment-5594231 youtube Mon, 13 Apr 2009 05:10:50 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/11/sands-moyers/#comment-5594231 Arguing with them is the same as arguing with your cat. They will scratch, they will hiss, and even on their best days they still, for reasons<a href="http://www.dostcafem.com" rel="nofollow">sohbet</a> unbeknown to the rest of us, pee on your carpet. Hoekstra et al are racist thugs. They will not understand a document as important at the one reported <a href="http://www.dostcafem.com" rel="nofollow">Bedava mp3 indir</a>by the A.P. What this document has said is that for years, words like Jihadists, Islamic Terrorism, Islamic Extremism etc<a href="http://www.dostcafem.com" rel="nofollow">cet</a> have done nothing but castigate Muslim men and women. Arguing with them is the same as arguing with your cat. They will scratch, they will hiss, and even on their best days they still, for reasonssohbet unbeknown to the rest of us, pee on your carpet. Hoekstra et al are racist thugs. They will not understand a document as important at the one reported Bedava mp3 indirby the A.P. What this document has said is that for years, words like Jihadists, Islamic Terrorism, Islamic Extremism etccet have done nothing but castigate Muslim men and women.

]]> By: ernieson http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/11/sands-moyers/comment-page-1/#comment-4957030 ernieson Tue, 13 May 2008 13:21:57 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/11/sands-moyers/#comment-4957030 Impeach, indict and convict before it is too late. The Bush war criminals should be publicly waterboarded daily and be made to recite, "This is not torture." Then they should be stripped naked, wired with electric probes, hooded, made to stand in a puddle of water while the electricity flows through them while reciting, "This is not torture." They are blights on civilization, their names should be forever shamed in history, and they deserve lives of hell until they make their final descent into eternal hell for the wrongs done to humanity. Impeach, indict and convict before it is too late. The Bush war criminals should be publicly waterboarded daily and be made to recite, “This is not torture.”
Then they should be stripped naked, wired with electric probes, hooded, made to stand in a puddle of water while the electricity flows through them while reciting, “This is not torture.”
They are blights on civilization, their names should be forever shamed in history, and they deserve lives of hell until they make their final descent into eternal hell for the wrongs done to humanity.

]]> By: Uncle Ho http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/11/sands-moyers/comment-page-1/#comment-4955470 Uncle Ho Mon, 12 May 2008 13:27:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/11/sands-moyers/#comment-4955470 just like the defendents at Nuremberg, claiming <em>"ordnung ist ordnung!(orders are orders!) </em>they should do the gallows dance like their Nazi predecessors. just like the defendents at Nuremberg, claiming “ordnung ist ordnung!(orders are orders!) they should do the gallows dance like their Nazi predecessors.

]]> By: johndoraemi http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/11/sands-moyers/comment-page-1/#comment-4955392 johndoraemi Mon, 12 May 2008 09:38:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/11/sands-moyers/#comment-4955392 <strong>"So it’s about individual responsibility. And there’s been an abject failure on that account." </strong> No. It's about a complete lack of accountability and open criminality in Washington DC. It was the House majority "leader" Democrat Nancy Pelosi who said that "impeachment is off the table." This was parroted by John Conyers, who controls (blocks) the judiciarty committee. If impeachemnt is "off" the table, then crime is clearly on the table. This article goes to the ridiculous length of suggestig the criminals just up and confess! Prosecute themselves! The justice is supposed to be served to them. This is not happening. No US white house has ever, ever been charged with war crimes, although they are as commonplace as sex scandals. That is naked imperialism, a sham of a republic, a sham of a democracy where the clowns in chief were never even elected in the first place -- yet can commit no crime to get them kicked out! Absurd, but true. All this tiresome Democrat spin about everything going wrong under Bush the lesser is baloney as well. Half a million dead Iraqi babies under Clinton, and they cheer for him all over the USA. Sham. All of it. “So it’s about individual responsibility. And there’s been an abject failure on that account.”

No.

It’s about a complete lack of accountability and open criminality in Washington DC.

It was the House majority “leader” Democrat Nancy Pelosi who said that “impeachment is off the table.” This was parroted by John Conyers, who controls (blocks) the judiciarty committee.

If impeachemnt is “off” the table, then crime is clearly on the table.

This article goes to the ridiculous length of suggestig the criminals just up and confess! Prosecute themselves!

The justice is supposed to be served to them.

This is not happening.

No US white house has ever, ever been charged with war crimes, although they are as commonplace as sex scandals.

That is naked imperialism, a sham of a republic, a sham of a democracy where the clowns in chief were never even elected in the first place — yet can commit no crime to get them kicked out!

Absurd, but true.

All this tiresome Democrat spin about everything going wrong under Bush the lesser is baloney as well. Half a million dead Iraqi babies under Clinton, and they cheer for him all over the USA.

Sham. All of it.

]]> By: DallasNE http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/11/sands-moyers/comment-page-1/#comment-4955356 DallasNE Mon, 12 May 2008 04:52:36 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/11/sands-moyers/#comment-4955356 What does Scalia know about the Constitution. Seriously. Scalia has just confessed and affirmed what Richard Nixon once said. If the President does it, it is legal. So why did Nixon resign then? It's the same with torture. The Army Field Manual ban torture as does the Geneva Conventions. A signing statement isn't even mentioned in the Constitution. Why would anybody think that a signing statement was the highest law of the land? Certainly not anybody that knew anything about the Constitution. What does Scalia know about the Constitution. Seriously.

Scalia has just confessed and affirmed what Richard Nixon once said. If the President does it, it is legal. So why did Nixon resign then?

It’s the same with torture. The Army Field Manual ban torture as does the Geneva Conventions. A signing statement isn’t even mentioned in the Constitution. Why would anybody think that a signing statement was the highest law of the land? Certainly not anybody that knew anything about the Constitution.

]]> By: singe_101 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/11/sands-moyers/comment-page-1/#comment-4955326 singe_101 Mon, 12 May 2008 02:56:08 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/11/sands-moyers/#comment-4955326 It doesn't matter what the Constitution or DOJ says about torture, we can't do it. That's it, the end. If we're pissing around with jumper cables and water, we might as well set up human bodies for harvesting electricity ala The Matrix, at least that would make energy. It doesn’t matter what the Constitution or DOJ says about torture, we can’t do it. That’s it, the end.

If we’re pissing around with jumper cables and water, we might as well set up human bodies for harvesting electricity ala The Matrix, at least that would make energy.

]]> By: The Shadow http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/11/sands-moyers/comment-page-1/#comment-4955318 The Shadow Mon, 12 May 2008 02:48:17 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/11/sands-moyers/#comment-4955318 <strong>The only reason those "WAR CRIMINALS" got away this it was because of the "WEAK KNEED SISTER DEMOCRATS" in Congress. Primarily Nancy Pelosi and the so called House Leaders. I know that what they did was against the Geneva Conventions because I taught them to US Army troops at Fort Bragg and in Germany during the 1980s. The people who approved, ordered or took part in torture are all subject to trial at the Hague for "Crimes against humanity" and they know it. That is the real reason they are keeping quiet about this and trying to argue about things that don't matter. I have been saying since Justice Scalia first spoke about it, that he had no business making the stupid ass statements he's made. For a Justice of the US Supreme Court to be prejudging any issue amounts to Judicial Misconduct and he should be impeached for such a reckless statement. By doing so he has put himself on record as a accessory to "War Crimes". He forgot what happened to the Judges who approved of all of the crimes Hilter committed? They were convicted of "Crimes against Humanity" too. Also that stupid statement by Scalia proves what I've said about him for years, he's nothing for than a zealot for Republican ideas. This man has no more business on the Supreme Court as Clarence (Uncle Tom) Thomas does. Uncle Clarence has sold out African Americans time after time. Her Scalia (Nazi) is so partisan that he can't think straight. He takes his talking point directly from Republican Propaganda (Dogma). God help us all if that little old man gets elected President and appoints another two Nazis to the Supreme Court.</strong> The only reason those “WAR CRIMINALS” got away this it was because of the “WEAK KNEED SISTER DEMOCRATS” in Congress. Primarily Nancy Pelosi and the so called House Leaders. I know that what they did was against the Geneva Conventions because I taught them to US Army troops at Fort Bragg and in Germany during the 1980s. The people who approved, ordered or took part in torture are all subject to trial at the Hague for “Crimes against humanity” and they know it. That is the real reason they are keeping quiet about this and trying to argue about things that don’t matter.

I have been saying since Justice Scalia first spoke about it, that he had no business making the stupid ass statements he’s made. For a Justice of the US Supreme Court to be prejudging any issue amounts to Judicial Misconduct and he should be impeached for such a reckless statement. By doing so he has put himself on record as a accessory to “War Crimes”. He forgot what happened to the Judges who approved of all of the crimes Hilter committed? They were convicted of “Crimes against Humanity” too.

Also that stupid statement by Scalia proves what I’ve said about him for years, he’s nothing for than a zealot for Republican ideas. This man has no more business on the Supreme Court as Clarence (Uncle Tom) Thomas does. Uncle Clarence has sold out African Americans time after time. Her Scalia (Nazi) is so partisan that he can’t think straight. He takes his talking point directly from Republican Propaganda (Dogma). God help us all if that little old man gets elected President and appoints another two Nazis to the Supreme Court.

]]> By: Jess Wonderin http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/11/sands-moyers/comment-page-1/#comment-4955302 Jess Wonderin Mon, 12 May 2008 01:40:40 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/11/sands-moyers/#comment-4955302 McSame a victim of torture himself, smiles and hugs the masters as they destroy any vestige of American Integrity based on 200 Years of Struggle for Freedom and Human Rights . . . the Party of Lincoln has sunk to levels even Hitler would have to admire . . . and still gets a 28% approval! . . . who'da thunk that TORTURE was a "Family Value"? WWJT? McSame a victim of torture himself, smiles and hugs the masters as they destroy any vestige of American Integrity based on 200 Years of Struggle for Freedom and Human Rights . . . the Party of Lincoln has sunk to levels even Hitler would have to admire . . . and still gets a 28% approval! . . . who’da thunk that TORTURE was a “Family Value”? WWJT?

]]> By: RUCerious http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/11/sands-moyers/comment-page-1/#comment-4955178 RUCerious Sun, 11 May 2008 21:54:11 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/11/sands-moyers/#comment-4955178 They can squirm all they want. After all, it'll be good practice for when they are dangling from a rope. They can squirm all they want. After all, it’ll be good practice for when they are dangling from a rope.

]]> By: justsayin http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/11/sands-moyers/comment-page-1/#comment-4955152 justsayin Sun, 11 May 2008 21:16:05 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/11/sands-moyers/#comment-4955152 Did the Nazis do this too, or did they have more honor? Did the Nazis do this too, or did they have more honor?

]]> By: jonny http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/11/sands-moyers/comment-page-1/#comment-4955144 jonny Sun, 11 May 2008 21:13:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/11/sands-moyers/#comment-4955144 Serious question (possibly a stupid one, I don't know -- that's why I'm asking:) Are there any legally valid grounds to impeach Fat Tony "The Fixer" Scalia? Realistically, as it stands now? Or are we stuck with the creep? (Not that it'd actually be tried, of course. Just wondering if it <em>could</em> be.) Serious question (possibly a stupid one, I don’t know — that’s why I’m asking:)

Are there any legally valid grounds to impeach Fat Tony “The Fixer” Scalia? Realistically, as it stands now?

Or are we stuck with the creep?

(Not that it’d actually be tried, of course. Just wondering if it could be.)

]]> By: pluege http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/11/sands-moyers/comment-page-1/#comment-4955078 pluege Sun, 11 May 2008 19:40:48 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/11/sands-moyers/#comment-4955078 <em>There was not a hint of recognition that anything had gone wrong, nor a hint of recognition of individual responsibility,</em> It is completely ridiculous for anyone to think the torture instigated at "the highest levels of the US government" was anything but intentional, premeditated, and with full knowledge of the criminality. Expecting these heinous persons to ever come to the conclusion that they did anything wrong or illegal is also completely ridiculous. The ONLY notion of remorse for their crimes they would EVER have would be if they thought they would be held accountable in anyway, in which case the remorse is not for their criminality, but for their potential conviction and incarceration for their crimes. Obviously, when they did/do their crimes they take care to make sure they think they are covering their tracks. That only the most psychotic among us agree with them - including, or perhaps especially the very sick Scalia, and that their case for innocence has no basis in law, morality, or precedence must be of some concern to them. There was not a hint of recognition that anything had gone wrong, nor a hint of recognition of individual responsibility,

It is completely ridiculous for anyone to think the torture instigated at “the highest levels of the US government” was anything but intentional, premeditated, and with full knowledge of the criminality. Expecting these heinous persons to ever come to the conclusion that they did anything wrong or illegal is also completely ridiculous.

The ONLY notion of remorse for their crimes they would EVER have would be if they thought they would be held accountable in anyway, in which case the remorse is not for their criminality, but for their potential conviction and incarceration for their crimes.

Obviously, when they did/do their crimes they take care to make sure they think they are covering their tracks. That only the most psychotic among us agree with them – including, or perhaps especially the very sick Scalia, and that their case for innocence has no basis in law, morality, or precedence must be of some concern to them.

]]> By: Zooey http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/11/sands-moyers/comment-page-1/#comment-4955042 Zooey Sun, 11 May 2008 18:29:37 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/11/sands-moyers/#comment-4955042 That is hilarious, tokin liberal. :-D That is hilarious, tokin liberal. :-D

]]> By: tokin librul http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/11/sands-moyers/comment-page-1/#comment-4955034 tokin librul Sun, 11 May 2008 18:24:38 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/11/sands-moyers/#comment-4955034 <i>@9, Guido the Loving OBGYN Says: ...“Torture is not cruel or unusual because it is not used as punishment”. Those are the words of a crazy man. Pure and simple. May 11th, 2008 at 12:31 pm</i> That depends on what the meaning of the word "crazy" is...or the word "is," for that matter... @9, Guido the Loving OBGYN Says:
…“Torture is not cruel or unusual because it is not used as punishment”. Those are the words of a crazy man. Pure and simple.
May 11th, 2008 at 12:31 pm

That depends on what the meaning of the word “crazy” is…or the word “is,” for that matter…

]]> By: tokin librul http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/11/sands-moyers/comment-page-1/#comment-4955028 tokin librul Sun, 11 May 2008 18:20:06 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/11/sands-moyers/#comment-4955028 Hey, we're nowhere NEARLY as squirmy and ethically limber as these criminal fux. --signed: The Mustelidae Family Hey, we’re nowhere NEARLY as squirmy and ethically limber as these criminal fux.
–signed:
The Mustelidae Family

]]> By: Zooey http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/11/sands-moyers/comment-page-1/#comment-4955020 Zooey Sun, 11 May 2008 18:14:14 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/11/sands-moyers/#comment-4955020 Poor katy. I'd rather spend the day alone -- which I am. :-) Poor katy. I’d rather spend the day alone — which I am. :-)

]]> By: katy http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/11/sands-moyers/comment-page-1/#comment-4954990 katy Sun, 11 May 2008 17:39:03 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/11/sands-moyers/#comment-4954990 * <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother%27s_Day_Proclamation" rel="nofollow">Happy Mothers' Day!</a> * <em>SAM SEDER TALKS TO PROFESSOR PHILIPPE SANDS ABOUT AMERICA’S TORTURE POLICY <a href="http://airamerica.com/content/sam-talks-professor-philippe-sands-about-america’s-torture-policy-link" rel="nofollow">* Listen Here</a> One day before his testimony to the House Judiciary Committee Phillipe Sands reports that he has proof that Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld made a policy of torture. This includes <strong>a clip of John McCain admitting torture caused him to write false confessions</strong>- so moved was Sands he testified to the Judiciary Committee of hearing this clip on AAR! .</em> that mcCAVE clip needs to be isolated and repeated... it's late in the interview, at just after 15:30… worth the wait... . sam posted a wealth of clips on this page of his site, also worth a look: http://samsedershow.com/node/3036 especially the feingold interview... ... i'm off to a family day... the lone agnostic liberal in a sea of catholic repugs... hope yours is better! *
Happy Mothers’ Day!
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SAM SEDER TALKS TO PROFESSOR PHILIPPE SANDS ABOUT AMERICA’S TORTURE POLICY * Listen Here

One day before his testimony to the House Judiciary Committee Phillipe Sands reports that he has proof that Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld made a policy of torture. This includes a clip of John McCain admitting torture caused him to write false confessions- so moved was Sands he testified to the Judiciary Committee of hearing this clip on AAR!
.
that mcCAVE clip needs to be isolated and repeated… it’s late in the interview,
at just after 15:30… worth the wait…
.

sam posted a wealth of clips on this page of his site, also worth a look:
http://samsedershow.com/node/3036
especially the feingold interview…
…

i’m off to a family day…
the lone agnostic liberal in a sea of catholic repugs…
hope yours is better!

]]> By: blogenfreude http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/11/sands-moyers/comment-page-1/#comment-4954984 blogenfreude Sun, 11 May 2008 17:10:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/11/sands-moyers/#comment-4954984 No one could have predicted that administration officials would fail to take responsibility for breaking the law. No one could have predicted that administration officials would fail to take responsibility for breaking the law.

]]> By: Dr. Grumpus http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/11/sands-moyers/comment-page-1/#comment-4954978 Dr. Grumpus Sun, 11 May 2008 16:56:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/11/sands-moyers/#comment-4954978 The further implication is that, according to Scalia, when it comes to the protection of people from fundamental human rights violations such as torture, the U.S. Constitution is no better than the constitution of Iran, or any brutal dictatorship, for that matter. Or is my logic flawed? The further implication is that, according to Scalia, when it comes to the protection of people from fundamental human rights violations such as torture, the U.S. Constitution is no better than the constitution of Iran, or any brutal dictatorship, for that matter.

Or is my logic flawed?

]]> By: DieNowForPeace http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/11/sands-moyers/comment-page-1/#comment-4954974 DieNowForPeace Sun, 11 May 2008 16:49:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/11/sands-moyers/#comment-4954974 <em>How many lies can you count in this letter?</em> I stopped reading at the first one - "Thank you for contacting me". How many lies can you count in this letter?

I stopped reading at the first one – “Thank you for contacting me”.

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