Bush’s golf story ‘doesn’t hold water.’
In an interview with Politico’s Mike Allen, President Bush claimed he gave up golf after UN envoy Sergio Vieira de Mello was killed in Iraq. “I remember when de Mello, who was at the U.N., got killed in Baghdad…I was playing golf — I think I was in central Texas — and they pulled me off the golf course and I said, it’s just not worth it anymore to do,” Bush said. De Mello was killed on Aug. 19, 2003. The Washington Post’s Dan Froomkin reports today: “Bush’s story doesn’t hold water“:
[T]he Associated Press reported on Oct. 13, 2003, that he’d spent a “cool, breezy Columbus Day” playing “a round of golf with three long-time buddies.
“Bush played at Andrews Air Force Base with Clay Johnson, Office of Management and Budget deputy director, Richard Hauser, Department of Housing and Urban Development general counsel and another friend, Mike Wood.”
On that outing, he was typically full of what passes for good humor at the White House. The AP reported: “‘Fine looking crew you got there. Fine looking crew,’ Bush joked to reporters. ‘That’s what we’d hope for presidential coverage. Only the best.’
“He hit a couple of practice balls before flaring his tee-off shot into the right rough.”
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Lying sack O’ shit
May 14th, 2008 at 9:29 pmARREST, TRY, HANG!!!
Be sure to watch Countdown, Keith has another Special Comment and he addresses this very LIE from our dear leader.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:36 pmBeside from being a Dead Beat George,an top it all off, he is just a plain DUMB ASS.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:38 pmWho ever believes the lying sack of shit anyway? Don’t waste good electrons on the ass.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:46 pmI’m sorry, was this Bush or McCain? They are so much alike, I keep getting the two confused.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:49 pmHas anyone seen Olbermann’s Special Comment about this yet? Holy cow, I don’t think I’ve ever seen K.O. sound so pissed off before.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:52 pmHoly Cow! If you haven’t seen it, watch the rerun of Olbermann - he had another special comment and he blasted Bush with both barrels.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:55 pmAt this point, I’d be surprised if Bush told the truth about something — anything.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:56 pmWell, it is just as well. If he golfs as bad as he fishes. In fairness though, his dad can’t fish worth a damn either so maybe the problem is genetic.
May 14th, 2008 at 9:59 pmNo, Todd M. You have not read what your leader said.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:00 pmBush is an embarrassing, lying fool who thinks he can pull the wool over our eyes by his very speech — he is a blot on our history, he is a cancer that will take us generations to overcome, if ever we are able to restore what he has ruined.
He came into office illegally, and he has run the most lawless, unconstitutional administration full of fellow criminals that this nation has ever had to endure.
He is beyond redemption, we can only hope for our own recovery.
y’know, even this won’t spoil this evening…
john EDWARDS endorsed OBAMA - my dream ticket together, if only for minutes…
a dynomite SPECIAL COMMENT by olbermann tonight… scathing!
and i just found out i did NOT miss BOSTON LEGAL - it moved to wednesday!
fook you, mr. president… fook you.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:01 pm.
Todd:
May 14th, 2008 at 10:01 pmHow is it that you feel that you know truth? The concept is a difficult one which has been pondered by many through the years. Is it possible that your “truth” is a simple construct of your own perception?
Are we forgetting that he played golf the day after Katrina struck– Aug. 30, 2005? I remember ThinkProgress reporting on it– look for the post.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:03 pmo. my. gawd.
denny crane for president!
ah hahahaha! this is gonna be a good one!
May 14th, 2008 at 10:04 pmToddMcLauchlin Says:
How did he come to this office illegally?
May 14th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
Don’t question your liberal puppetmasters, Todd.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:05 pmDo your part in telling President Bush to “shut the hell up”: Digg It!
“Mr. President,” he was asked, “you haven’t been golfing in recent years. Is that related to Iraq?
“Yes,” began perhaps the most startling reply of this nightmarish blight on our lives as Americans — on our history.
“It really is. I don’t want some mom whose son may have recently died to see the Commander-in-Chief playing golf. I feel I owe it to the families to be as — to be in solidarity as best as I can with them. And I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong signal.”
Golf, Sir?
Golf sends the wrong signal to the grieving families of our men and women butchered in Iraq?
Do you think these families, Mr. Bush - their lives blighted forever — care about you playing golf?
Do you think, Sir, they care about you?
You, Mr. Bush, let their sons and daughters be killed.
Sir, to show your solidarity with them - you gave up golf?
Sir, to show your solidarity with them - you didn’t give up your pursuit of this insurance-scam, profiteering, morally and financially bankrupting war.
Sir, to show your solidarity with them - you didn’t even give up talking about Iraq - a subject about which you have incessantly proved without pause or backwards glance, that you may literally be the least informed person in the world?
Sir, to show your solidarity with them, you didn’t give up… your
4,000 dead Americans and your response… was to stop playing golf!
Golf.
Not “gulf” - golf.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/
This is for everyone that didn’t get to watch Keith tonight. I can’t remember him ever being this mad, it was a beautiful sight. He summed up how all of us have felt for a very long time and let all of his frustration out!!
Check out crooks and liars link they have the video… a must watch..
May 14th, 2008 at 10:06 pmDon’t waste too much time on Little Toddy. He is obviously a 28-percenter. As far as I can see, he is the only one who is taking this thread seriously. The rest of us are taking it for what it is — just one more example of the lying little tin cowboy’s antics and a good excuse to bash the smirking, swaggering, smarmy little azzhole.
Only idiots like Little Toddy take this topic seriously. It keeps them from having to admit to GDumbya’s real screw-ups . . . you know . . . things like avoidable, dirty little wars, incompetence, excessive secrecy, illegal wiretaps, etc.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:08 pmToddMcLauchlin Says:
Ever study philosophy?
Also, would you not say genocide of innocent people is a universal wrong?
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Only as a passing fancy.
I suppose you would have to be willing to define innocent and genocide first. If memory serves the US spent a long time being careful to not refer to Darfur as a genocide.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:08 pmGreat comeback, you little pissant.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:10 pmAnd a NYT article tells us, on Oct. 7th, 2003, that Bush had played golf with Don Nickles “two Sundays ago,” which would have been late September, 2003.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:10 pm#8 Marie Says:
Holy Cow! If you haven’t seen it, watch the rerun of Olbermann - he had another special comment and he blasted Bush with both barrels.
I agree he blasted him good. It was one of his all time best shows. Too bad more of the mainstream media doesn’t follow suit. They are all gutless for not holding him accountable for all of his lies.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:13 pmtom: it (sic) the presidents approval rating was 77% would you change your opinion?
Nope, skid-mark. I don’t put much stock in polls. Never have. Never will.
I was opposed to GDumbya’s dirty little war in Iraq when it was merely a twinkle in his and Darth Cheney’s eyes.
How about you, pant-load? Were you one of the lemmings who followed GDumbya off the cliff in 2003 and are you still too stupid to admit a mistake?
May 14th, 2008 at 10:15 pmK.O.’s special comment is on U-Tube also…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr8nrRZOpXw
May 14th, 2008 at 10:17 pmToddMcLauchlin Says:
May 14th, 2008 at 10:19 pmdbadass: that was the UN under pressure from the EU. Do your homework
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I finished that hours ago. I think you might be having some timeline issues. When did the US officially recognize Darfur for the genocide that it clearly was? So about that Armenian thing? I don’t mean to be rude, but you read sort of condescendingly. Do you have any sort of misguided false superiority issues you might be struggling with?
Poor Toddy with his tired RNC talking points.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:21 pmAnd goon goofy sniffing his anus.
specialist f Says:
Poor Toddy with his tired RNC talking points.
And goon goofy sniffing his anus.
yes, but he did study philosophy.
bush’s own words:
Allen: “Mr. President, you haven’t been golfing in recent years. Is that related to Iraq?”
Bush: “Yes, it really is. I don’t want some mom whose son may have recently died to see the commander-in-chief playing golf. I feel I owe it to the families to be as — to be in solidarity as best as I can with them. And I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong signal.”
Allen: “Mr. President, was there a particular moment or incident that brought you to that decision, or how did you come to that?”
Bush: “No, I remember when de Mello, who was at the U.N., got killed in Baghdad as a result of these murderers taking this good man’s life. And I was playing golf — I think I was in central Texas — and they pulled me off the golf course and I said, it’s just not worth it anymore to do.”
gg, are you crying?
May 14th, 2008 at 10:24 pm#7 ToddMcLauchlin Says:
You guys are with out class, and your use of language displays your lack of intelligence.
Bush said he hasn’t played golf since 2003.
Do you homework.
You obviously are missing the point. Do you think anyone really cares if President Bush plays golf or not??? The President however said, “I feel I owe it to the families to be as — to be in solidarity as best as I can with them. And I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong signal.”
Only President Bush would think that anyone really cares if he has given up golf to show solidarity. Since he is the one who has created and promoted this war which has claimed so many lives.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:26 pmToddMcLauchlin Says:
RNC talking points? I study this 3-4 hours a day. And I read both sides (notice what site I am on) What do you read from the Right?
gee, and you could have been playing golf like the bush.
what a sacrifice.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:26 pmHow in the HELL did conservatives let this man define them?
We couldn’t get a worst president
May 14th, 2008 at 10:27 pmNo problem Todd:
The thing is that you first suggested that the genocide of innocents is a universal wrong but then shifted gear by suggesting that despite this alledged universal wrong, the US failure to tackle it is somehow a function of the EU and UN. I thought this nation wasn’t controlled by such foreign influences? Isn’t that the Conservative standard line. The US doesn’t have to take marching orders from that stupid UN or that “Old Europe” right?
So were the events in Armenia a genocide and if so and in light of this “universal truth” why have we not acknowledged it? Maybe a little something to do with not pissing off Turkey?
May 14th, 2008 at 10:29 pmG00D_G0LLY Says:
I will not question my liberal puppetmasters.
I will not question my liberal puppetmasters.
I will not question my liberal puppetmasters.
I will not question my liberal puppetmasters.
Resistance is futile. I will be assimilated.
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this is why i believe that once liberals and progressives have taken over control of the federal government the right will resort to violence and terrorism (as they did in oklahoma city) to get their way.
right gg?
May 14th, 2008 at 10:31 pmGOOD_GOLLY:
May 14th, 2008 at 10:35 pmWith all respect due, the endless negative attention getting devices are a little bit tiring.
thanks-
When did this WAR CRIMINAL ever said anything with substance??? Anything that come out of this spoilled imbecil, the opposite is true…
May 14th, 2008 at 10:46 pmToddMcLauchlin Says:
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The UN does more to encourage despots, prop up thugs and murderers abroad, and thwart justice in the world than any other single organization
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May 14th, 2008 at 10:50 pmWould propping up thugs, murderers, and despots be one of those universal wrongs? How do you feel about the multitude of such incidences by the always preachy USA? Were these events pragmatic or morally reprehensible?
G00D_G0LLY Says:
It is the Left Wing and their friends in Hamas and al Qaeda that are the true terrorists.
right Joe?
gg.
poor terrorist enabling, rw, gg…
upset about yesterday election results in mississippi?
just don’t murder any children over it, ok?
:)
May 14th, 2008 at 10:51 pm53…
May 14th, 2008 at 10:51 pmThey are the same kind of WAR CRIMINALS. Saddam used gas, which was provided by the USA, own its own people. Bush, has taken the USA to a record low. The USA today is hated around the globe. Your eocnomy is in shatters, and the people will be paying for these criminal occupations for generations to come. Saddam or Bush… they both deserve to be hanged!
GOOD_GOLLY:
May 14th, 2008 at 10:52 pmMany years ago, I thought middle school. Again with all respects, are you in middle school?
G00D_G0LLY Says:
I’ve tried having intelligent discussions here Todd, but all I get in return is name calling, so I’ve decided to lower myself to the Lefwing level for a change. Interesting how the leftwingnuts don’t like it when it goes the other way.
hmmm, gg if all the other kids jumped off a cliff would you jump off a cliff too?
May 14th, 2008 at 10:53 pmObviously the word is “taught”
May 14th, 2008 at 10:53 pmGrolly Bolly… go to the front line in Iraq. Go and see how your surge is “working” and “progress” is taking place…
May 14th, 2008 at 10:53 pmG00D_G0LLY Says:
Considering that Saddam was tried, convicted and hung by his countrymen, I think it is pretty clear that he was the war criminal, although he and his sonse have since been cannonized by the leftwingnuts.
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you taught middle school and yet you can’t spell…?
gg, don’t you care?
May 14th, 2008 at 10:54 pmToddMcLauchlin Says:
I think a problem of the Left is to always set the US equal to the most vile and terrible of human acts around the world and through out history. We just haven’t been that bad. We have had our moments, but we are the most self-correcting country on Earth. Also, the good we have done in the world is so much more than the evil we have done,… why is it a serious point people on the left make? Are you a moral relativist? I am asking that as a point of clarification.
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good point todd. come this november we will self correct.
gg, are you ready to self correct?
May 14th, 2008 at 10:56 pmjoe: You are confusing two different people
GOOD_GOLLY: about 3 dozen give or take a few. Oh and you mispelled dbadass.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:57 pmG00D_G0LLY Says:
sacoshit: Progress is clearly taking place in Iraq although your puppetmasters at ThinkProgress don’t want you to know about it.
keep rubbing that magic lantern gg.
maybe you’ll get a pony too!
May 14th, 2008 at 10:58 pmToddMcLauchlin
Get real!!!!! The USA, in Latin America alone, is responsible for TORTURE and death of thousands. It is behind the World’s most criminal dictatorships. Read History before claiming such false statements.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:58 pmGood_Golly you are forgetting that Iran Contra occured under a Republican president. And I wont even get into the Freedom Fighter friends of yorn.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:58 pmToddMcLauchlin
Here is a book for you: ‘Failed States’ by Noam Chomsky… that is, if you read books.
May 14th, 2008 at 10:59 pmG00D_G0LLY Says:
joe, are you ready to stop pleasuring yourself?
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gg, you old sex freak. now we know you voted for larry craig ;)
(wide stance, lol!)
May 14th, 2008 at 11:00 pmWatch ‘War on Democracy” by John Pilger. He has also written “Freedom Next Time”.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:01 pmHas anyone alerted the harbor patrol to the hazard to navigation?
May 14th, 2008 at 11:01 pmWith your agreement or not. I grew up under a military dictatorship sponsored by the US! It was 25 years of it!
May 14th, 2008 at 11:03 pmG00D_G0LLY Says:
sacoshit: Progress is clearly taking place in Iraq although your puppetmasters at ThinkProgress don’t want you to know about it.
Yes, the six month war has progressed into 6 years. Thats progress alright.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:04 pmD. Feith is trying to blame others for his crimes. He is a War Crminal. And there is plenty of evidence to state just that: D. Feith is a WAR CRIMINAL!
May 14th, 2008 at 11:05 pmSince you like right wing literature, try Hitler’s “My Fight”.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:06 pmToddMcLauchlin Says:
I have read it. I disagree with it. I have read most of what Chomsky has written.
Any other suggestios? What was the last conservative book you have read?
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salo or the 120 days of sodom with a special commentary by jonah goldberg on the novel as well as special section on how to avoid probate.
morally relevant but boring.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:06 pmThanks for the heads up. I suggest you read War and Decision by Douglas Feith -TM
I wouldnt consider Feith, nor his book, conservative Todd
May 14th, 2008 at 11:08 pmtodd, we’ve lost gg.
what up with that?
May 14th, 2008 at 11:11 pmIn Latin America… where a US policy of militarization of South America Countries took place and thousands of people died because of it! The US is not a entity of good will nor a ‘democracy’ promoter!
May 14th, 2008 at 11:12 pmI guess it’s hard to get worked up about Bush playing golf. After all, he was partying on his ranch when Americans were suffering and dying during Katrina.
Bush is virtually indistinguishable from the “let them eat cake” aristocrats of old. Which, oddly enough, this country was founded to escape from.
http://progressiveworldreview.com
May 14th, 2008 at 11:16 pmspecialist f, thanks for posting the YouTube link to Keith’s commentary. It is so good to see that there is at least one person on TV with the balls to be as outraged as most of us are about this pathetic excuse for a C-in-C.
GDumbya is such an embarrassment and so completely detached from reality. He, like Little Toddy, to this day cannot separate the mistaken notion that Saddam had WMD from the ill-advised decision to invade Iraq. Indeed, two presidents before him had been able to contain Saddam without bombing, destroying and occupying his country. Why was GDumbya incapable of figuring that out?
And all this BS about Congress’ vote to authorize the war is pure drivel. What was their support to initiate war as a last resort quickly became GDumbya’s mandate to invade as a first option. He is the one who is running away from his decisions; not Congress as he suggests.
And giving up golf? How trivial. How pathetic. How irrelevant. This totally sums up the shallowness of this moronic presi-dunce who is so self-unaware that he can repeatedly speak these weak and meaningless phrases without realizing how vain and self-absorbed and just plain wrong they are.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:23 pmPaul W Says:
I guess it’s hard to get worked up about Bush playing golf.
Not if you ever lived in a little coastal town with too many courses but too few roads for the folks that actually work in said town
May 14th, 2008 at 11:23 pmToddMcLauchlin Says:
The reason Latin America is in the mess it is in is because of Soviet influence, decades of socialism, and leaders like Morales, Chavez, and Castro. I develop companies that help Latin Americans, and I can’t believe the havoc socialized policies have caused in the region.
If the Left wanted to help Latin America, they would pass the Free Trade Agreements.
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May 14th, 2008 at 11:28 pmIt’s the distribution of wealth not the socialism. That’s why you aren’t developiing companies that help Scandanavians.
How many Americans did you go to school with were Russians Todd?
American left is not Russian left. Its an inane strawman argument that has no validity. Why, the neo-cons in the conservative party are far more left than people here. So I think you need to clean up your backyard before you go pointing fingers.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:30 pmToddMcLauchlin:
So what of North Korea, Iran, China, etal? Myself I am getting a little bit nervous of Canada. She’s been looking at me sort of with this weird look lately. I can’t really describe it but I don’t like it. No I don’t like it at all.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:34 pmWhat I’d give for a flat GDP!!
May 14th, 2008 at 11:35 pmIt just goes through their digestive tract so quickly and ends up being just a big stinking, steaming pile of crapola on these threads.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:38 pmXisithrus:
I went to school with a lot of Russians. Thunderbird, the American Graduate School of International Development. -Todd
Well I didnt, so stop using the inane strawman argument that the American left is somehow as socialist as the old Soviet Union or responsible for the status of Latin American countries.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:40 pmThe Googler needs to bone up on the internets if he thinks some enterprising blogger wouldn’t Google the data to find out what the facts really are. Needless to say, it comes as no surprise to find out that the story is completely false. Too bad MSM won’t report on this shameful display of false empthy for those dying in Iraq due to his own blunders. What a sicko.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:41 pmI simply must ask : Why does anyone even interview this pathetic turd now ?
Does anyone believe even for a nanosecond , that he has something remotely interesting or intelligent to say ……Ever ?
May 14th, 2008 at 11:43 pmIdeally it could be an indicator of universal contentment. Although no biological social systems are without competition and conflict, plenty of examples of well structure harmonious less “profit for me” driven possibilities do exist. Since you all where doing an earlier book club, I reccomend anything by Frans De Waal. Both “Good Natured” and “Our Inner Ape” are both quite good although the later is an more enjoyable read
May 14th, 2008 at 11:43 pmToddMcLauchlin Says:
… And Saddam was not containted. …
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Colin Powell in Cairo February 24, 2001:
“He (Saddam Hussein) has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbours.”
Condoleeza Rice, July 2001:
May 14th, 2008 at 11:47 pm“We are able to keep his arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt.”
Keith Olbermann you are a true American hero, thankyou for telling it like it is, a greater truth has not been said in the nation for many, many years.
Keith Olbermann for President
May 14th, 2008 at 11:47 pmToddMcLauchlin Says:
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3. The going forward strategy of the White House after 9-11 was to go after terror-sponsoring nations. That is what we were doing. It was justified, and it will serve to be in the best interest of the security of the US.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:28 pm
Generally speaking , most people with properly functioning brain synapses would go for the most dangerous/formidable terrorist sponsoring nation , which would be Saudi Arabia , without question.
What are the odds of retarded Fred Astaire , who sword-danced with their monarch and the oil sheiks there , would ever do that ?
None and less than none …………
May 14th, 2008 at 11:47 pmkeith is way too polite, as usual
May 14th, 2008 at 11:48 pmToddMcLauchlin Says:
dbass: what other books do you recommend?
If you get a chance, read my blog - I like to have the perspective of the Left.
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May 14th, 2008 at 11:50 pmThank you for the invite and I will try. However, any perspective would just be that of dbadass.
ToddMcLauchlin Says:
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dbass: what other books do you recommend?
If you get a chance, read my blog - I like to have the perspective of the Left.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:46 pm
Sadly , I just did ; and was “rewarded” with this post of insipid swill …….
I am sure this will be fodder for types like John Stewart and Bill Maher, but I was touched in an unusual way about the Presidents decision not to golf while we were conducting a war.
He stopped golfing in 2003. “I didn’t want some mom whose son may have recently died to see the commander in chief playing golf,” he said. “I feel I owe it to the families to be in solidarity as best as I can with them.”
As I have stated before, despite my deep criticisms of our President, I very much respect him and have never questioned his motives or sincerity in trying to protect this country.
You are so naive’ and gullible , I’m surprised gypsies and snake oil salesmen aren’t camped outside your front doorstep…….
May 14th, 2008 at 11:52 pmI didnt make that argument. But SOcialism is the reason Latin America is in the mess it is in. -Todd
Many people, left, center and right are against free trade agreements which hurt the American worker. And I doubt a free trade agreement will cure what ails Latin America. It hasnt stopped corruption, unemployment and poverty in Mexico.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:53 pmDefine elitist.
*see World Class Prick
May 14th, 2008 at 11:53 pm…Where is the WAR CRIMINAL Rice???? She is trying to be under the radar and not unswer why she lied and mislead the American people ans Congress by insisting the USA does not torture, while having secret meeting in the WH with other top officials, about US’s TORTURE program.
Ricemustgo.com
May 14th, 2008 at 11:54 pmWell, now that hes not golfing he will surely attend some funerals of the troops?
May 14th, 2008 at 11:54 pmLet the dipshit play his ball whacking game. at least he won’t be screwing anything up for a few minutes. As for south American problems, I’d say they are rooted in the power being concentrated in the hands of a few wealthy elites, plus a good dose of US intervention.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:55 pmMCMetal Says:
Generally speaking , most people with properly functioning brain synapses would go for the most dangerous/formidable terrorist sponsoring nation , which would be Saudi Arabia , without question.
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If a bunch of North Koreans had attacked the WTC on 911, the headlines would have read, “North Korea Attacks USA.” If a bunch of Iranians had done the same, the headlines would have read “Iran Attacks USA.” A bunch of SAUDIS actually DID attack the WTC on 911, and what were the headlines? “‘Terr’ists’ Attack USA.” Pfui.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:55 pmIt was Bush that pulled the inspectors. Ask Hans Blix.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:56 pmToddMcLauchlin Says:
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They knew of his conventional abilities. That wasn’t the problem. It was his ability to get WMD into the hands of terror cells.
Zarqawi was operating out of Iraq.
Saddam was paying 25k to the families of suicide bombers in Palestine.
We know now that he could resume a weapons program in about 10 days.
Why didn’t he let us in and have full inspections?
May 14th, 2008 at 11:53 pm
Ummm , he did ; Chimpy forced out the UN weapons inspectors before they could finish………
BTW
What proof do you possess that Saddam could resume a weapons program in about 10 days ? A White House memo ?
That thing’s good if you happen to run out of toilet paper while out camping……..
May 14th, 2008 at 11:57 pmTodd, like Feith, is trying to rewrite history… The inspector had no evidence of WMD. Look for their accounts on the inspection. The only country in the Middle East which possesses WMD is Israel.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:58 pmSaddam had WMD in the 80’s and they were provided to him by the USA.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:58 pmMay 14th, 2008 at 11:59 pm
ToddMcLauchlin Says:
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Xisithrus:
A FTA is not a cure-all, but it would significanlty help developing Latin countries. It is keeping used medical equipment out of Peru, for example. I know that from personal experience in trying to build a new hospital in the country. It is rediculous. As for the hurting of US jobs, I would dispute that; but that is a different discussion if you want to have it.
If free-market captialism is historically the best answer to poverty, then why do you seem to be against it?
May 14th, 2008 at 11:57 pm
“Free market capitalism” cannot be allowed to exist in its present-day form ; if there is 1 thing corporations have shown and taught everyone about what they truly are , is that they are untrustworthy , uncaring and in it only for the bottom line , everything else be damned.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:00 amSo why did the terror cells resort to airplanes instead of WMD Todd?
Why would Saddam need to use suicide bombers if one had WMD to give them?
Your not using your logic Todd.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:00 amTha famous picture of Saddam Hussein shaking hands with Rumsfeld…
May 15th, 2008 at 12:00 amToddMcLauchlin Says:
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They were Saudi born, but did not come from Saudi Arabia. It is a red-herring.
Do you think SA was as aggressive as Saddam?
Saddam was using the IAEA as a circus to prolong the US taking action against Iraq. If he didn’t want to thwart the US he could have opened the door wide open, and didnt. This is the argument made by Hillary Clinton by the way.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:59 pm
Umm , lemme’ clue you in a bit ; generally , the country you were born in , is the country you are referred to as “coming from”…….
May 15th, 2008 at 12:01 amToddMcLauchlin Says:
If free-market captialism is historically the best answer to poverty, then why do you seem to be against it?
May 15th, 2008 at 12:02 am——
Seems to me the key to this would be the “If” part
Tha famous picture of Saddam Hussein shaking hands with Rumsfeld…
it is there Todd!!!! everybody has seen it!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:02 amthere was no PHOTOSHOP!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:02 amToddMcLauchlin Says:
Re: Saddams wmd in the 80’s. That is a debate as to the US giving him weapons. At the time Iran was the bigger threat, and we had to make sure they did not defeat Saddam.
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May 15th, 2008 at 12:03 amSo about this moral relativism thing?
If free-market captialism is historically the best answer to poverty, then why do you seem to be against it? -Todd
Because its a canard. Recall that Bear Stearns was bailed out? That billions of dollars are being pumped into the market to prop it up.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:03 amToddMcLauchlin Says:
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Re: Saddams wmd in the 80’s. That is a debate as to the US giving him weapons. At the time Iran was the bigger threat, and we had to make sure they did not defeat Saddam.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:01 am
And because of the criminal nature and element in both Ronnie Retard’s and Shrub the 1st’s administrations , is also the reason no one knew for sure the shelf-life and amount of WMD’s Saddam actually possessed ; get it ?
May 15th, 2008 at 12:03 amToddMcLauchlin Says:
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Xisithus:
Corporations have given us every medical advancement, cure to poverty, and tax base that allows us to address the world’s problems. What have governments done?
Because UBL used planes and not WMD is not an argument against WMD. It is a weird argument. I don’t think honest people on the Left would agree with it.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:03 am
It is not a question of being for or against WMD’s ; it is a question of who has control over them and who they are selling them to…………
May 15th, 2008 at 12:05 amCuba has many excellent doctors…and poor people get treatment.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:06 amCorporations have given us every medical advancement, cure to poverty, and tax base that allows us to address the world’s problems. What have governments done?
They subsidise [use taxpayer money] to fund that research.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:09 amFancy schmancy medical treatments don’t mean $hit here in the USA if you can’t afford them.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:09 amTodd… you are in a recession! How much are you paying to fill up your car today? How is unemployment in the US? How is the USA’s image abroad? You will be arguing for them until you have no more money to pay for these criminal occupations.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:09 amSo, let me get Dinkledoofusses statement, He gets “pulled off the golf course” when a UN official is killed in a land 10,000 miles away, but…. he is left to read a children’s book when the nation is attacked approx 800 miles away.
Hmmmm Interesting. Could it be……SATAN!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:10 amsacopenapa Says:
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Todd… you are in a recession!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:09 am
Especially mentally………
May 15th, 2008 at 12:11 amI’m still waiting for MY no bid contract….or MY bailout. GOP con-artists.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:11 amTodd… how much does the Pentagon pays for getting into blogs like this?
May 15th, 2008 at 12:12 amjb Says:
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I’m still waiting for MY no bid contract….or MY bailout. GOP con-artists.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:11 am
I’m waiting for my ascension to being made the leader of the FBI or CIA……….
May 15th, 2008 at 12:13 amOne sentence, and one sentence alone can end the Corporatist control of America. If this was written into every state’s law covering corporation creation, the world would instantly take on a different perspective.
“Every stockholder shall have a single vote, irrespective of the number or amount of stock they hold”
May 15th, 2008 at 12:13 amTodd… how much does the Pentagon pay for getting into blogs like this?…Spreading the message!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:15 amCorporations havent cured poverty.
I understand capitalism and in its theoretical form it would cure poverty, however, bottom line greed prevents that from happening. And look, we have more poverty in America, not less.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:16 amMCMetal, I’d feel better with you in charge of either the FBI or CIA.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:16 amsacopenapa Says:
Todd… you are in a recession! How much are you paying to fill up your car today? How is unemployment in the US? How is the USA’s image abroad? You will be arguing for them until you have no more money to pay for these criminal occupations.
todd the wonder shit does not live IN MERIKA, “it” is over in Dubai as the point person for Darth Cheney (Did you hear Tim Russert referred to him as Darth Cheney) living accomodations.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:16 amToddMcLauchlin Says:
…. Contributing countries to Iraq:
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What do you have against global “free-market” capitalism? Corporations made that sh!t, and corporations sold it to Saddam.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:17 amToddMcLauchlin Says:
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That is right about control of WMD. All of the world’s intelligence agencies thought Saddam had WMD stockpiles.
How is free-market capitalism a carard?
Re: US sales of WMD to Iraq. I admit that we were dirty in our initial dealings. It is not a matter of relativity - it is a matter of geopolitical reality. Consider also this. Contributing countries to Iraq:
All told, 52% of Iraq’s international chemical weapon equipment was of German origin.
Around 21% of Iraq’s international chemical weapon equipment was French.
About 100 tons of mustard gas also came from Brazil.
The United Kingdom paid for a chlorine factory that was intended to be used for manufacturing mustard gas
An Austrian company gave Iraq calutrons for enriching uranium. The nation also provided heat exchangers, tanks, condensers, and columns for the Iraqi chemical weapons infrastructure, 16% of the international sales.
Singapore gave 4,515 tons of precursors for VX, sarin, tabun, and mustard gasses to Iraq.
The Dutch gave 4,261 tons of precursors for sarin, tabun, mustard, and tear gasses to Iraq.
Egypt gave 2,400 tons of tabun and sarin precursors to Iraq and 28,500 tons of weapons designed for carrying chemical munitions.
India gave 2,343 tons of precursors to VX, tabun, Sarin, and mustard gasses.
Luxemburg gave Iraq 650 tons of mustard gas precursors.
Spain gave Iraq 57,500 munitions designed for carrying chemical weapons. In addition, they provided reactors, condensers, columns and tanks for Iraq’s chemical warfare program, 4.4% of the international sales.
China provided 45,000 munitions designed for chemical warfare.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:14 am
Do you realize you are simply making our argument for us , Todd ?
If Ronnie Retard and company are selling arms and WMD’s to Saddam , other countries are simply following in those monetary footsteps of ours ; how do you propose to tell them not to ?
May 15th, 2008 at 12:17 amWhats the point of a cure if one cant afford the cure Todd?
May 15th, 2008 at 12:17 amThat is right about control of WMD. All of the world’s intelligence agencies thought Saddam had WMD stockpiles.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:18 amThat is not true!!!! These were cerrypicked false claims by Chalabi!
“All of the world’s intelligence agencies thought Saddam had WMD stockpiles.”
Lie, lie, lie
May 15th, 2008 at 12:18 amjb Says:
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MCMetal, I’d feel better with you in charge of either the FBI or CIA.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:16 am
Well , until the Chimpy administration came along and politicized ever single aspect of our government , I never had a problem with the Feds on anything except their 1 glaring fault ; they are way too ignorant and stupid on such obvious things.
And it isn’t because they are corrupt or anything ; it’s simply their naivete’ on so many levels………
May 15th, 2008 at 12:19 amUSA leader in arms sales. Nukes to Israel, jets to Saudis on and on, arms and money to right wing terrorists in Latin America.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:19 amCapitalism is Totalitarianism in disguise. Think of the ultimate free regin of capitalism…a monopoly which is a totalitarianistic state.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:21 amFacts mate! Check the Downing street memos!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:21 amIs it a universal moral wrong to develop and possess biological WMD’s?
Todd: I respect that you chilled out after coming in with guns a blazin’ about truths and all
One man’s deterance is another mans wmd. It is a relative
May 15th, 2008 at 12:21 amDowning street proves that dinkledoofuss cooked the books and lied about the intel.
REad a fu(king book shitforbrains.
And BTW, you are here as a paid hack, so fu(k you.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:22 amToddMcLauchlin Says:
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May 15th, 2008 at 12:18 am
There is no possible way in hell you are anything but a GOP backer ; don’t even try to fob off that “Libertarian” nonsense , either……..
Your responses are nothing more than White House memo/FAUX Comedy Channel/GOP talking head rhetoric and spin……..
May 15th, 2008 at 12:22 amRicemustgo.com!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:23 amspeaking of Rice… there is footage of her and Powell stating that Iraq was not a problem, before 9/11. And there was never a conction between saddan and Al-quieda.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:24 amOh dear, I’ve missed the pratfalling return of Gigi. And she’s got a new troll friend with her I see.
It’s kind of funny to see wingnuts so clueless yet at the same time so condescending.
It’s like a diet soda that tastes disgusting yet trumpets its flavor in ads.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:24 amTodd… I would love to smoke what you are smoking…
May 15th, 2008 at 12:25 amHomework, homework, homework when will it ever end?
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/6981
The Downing Street Minutes are short, to the point, and shocking. They make clear that
May 15th, 2008 at 12:25 am1. Bush had already decided to go to war long before approaching Congress or the public or the UN about it, and had already started the attack with increased bombings;
2. Bush had already decided to lie about weapons of mass destruction and ties to 9-11;
3. The Brits were concerned by the illegality of an aggressive war, but the Bush Administration was not;
4. Going to the UN was an attempt to justify the war, and the hope was to craft an ultimatum that Saddam Hussein would reject;
5. The focus of the Bush and Blair administrations was on selling the war to the public, and not at all on trying to avoid it;
6. The Bush and Blair administrations were aware that Iraq was no threat, and were willing to attack Iraq precisely because it posed no serious threat of fighting back.
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Alecto:
How can a capitalism be totalitarian? It is the ultimate expression of freedom. Is the alternative centralized government? That is not totatlitarian? You dont make sense
May 15th, 2008 at 12:23 am
When the bulk of all the real available money is in the hands of a select few that are all part of the same group , Todd ; that means they basically have control over everything and everyone else………
May 15th, 2008 at 12:26 amTry reading Michael Focault!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:26 am(ring) Hey, Kettle! Pot on line two for you! Says you’re black!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:26 am“It is the ultimate expression of freedom.”
I just puked a little in my mouth.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:26 am172. jb Says:
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Global “free market” capitalism. Beyond criticism. Everybody benefits, even the dead folk. Whadda you, a COMMIE?
May 15th, 2008 at 12:27 amTADA!!
Congratulations ONe and all, it took only about 45 mintues to bust the NEO-Con shitforbrains wide open.
There you have the Neo-Con agenda.
There is a connection between Saddam and Al-Qaeda. Zarqawi.
Also, we didnt need one.
Also, you think we would be better off with Saddam still in power?
May 15th, 2008 at 12:27 amwe miss you Lhamita!!!!!!!!!!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:27 amHow can a capitalism be totalitarian?
Look around, you have corporations basically running the government. They have created whats basically corporate socialism. And you know them socialists and their totalitarian leaders.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:27 amToddMcLauchlin Says:
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There is a connection between Saddam and Al-Qaeda. Zarqawi.
Also, we didnt need one.
Also, you think we would be better off with Saddam still in power?
May 15th, 2008 at 12:26 am
“We” , as in the US ?
Probably not ; the Iraqi people ?
You’re damn right they’d be a lot better off ; just ask them ………
May 15th, 2008 at 12:28 amTodd… just your statement is not enough. Where is the proff of :
May 15th, 2008 at 12:29 amThere is a connection between Saddam and Al-Qaeda. Zarqawi.
188. Alecto Says:
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Plutocracy is textbook tyranny. Open yer mouth when ya puke, not that it’ll help much. ;)
May 15th, 2008 at 12:30 amShould we just “Trust” you on that???!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:30 amNo water, no power, no security Under Freedom loving GI Joe Merika
OR
Water, power, security (albeit fear of a dictator who could show up at your doorstep if you fu(ked him and blow your head off, but the same is true with Blackwater) under Saddam
Let’s see where the purple fingers are????
May 15th, 2008 at 12:31 amLike the USA defending Chile from its elected president, Allende. The USA only supports democracy when it suits its own political and greedy corporate goals.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:32 amAlso, you think we would be better off with Saddam still in power? -Todd
I agree with Brent Scowcroft here, Saddam was a problem, but not a problem of terror and going into Iraq undermines the war on terror. Saddam was going nowhere and it was, I think, an huge error to take our eyes off Osama and completing the mission in Afghanistan FIRST.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:33 amsacopenapa Says:
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Should we just “Trust” you on that???!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:30 am
Yeah , him and the administration he’s so stoically and stupidly defending ; who also have done nothing but lie and bullshit since Day 1 of this godawful presidency………
May 15th, 2008 at 12:34 amit wasn’t only in chile… it was throughout South America. Today, bush is supporting the criminal Uribe in Colombia. CIA has to mantain its monopoly on cocain imports.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:36 amshitforbrainse,
May 15th, 2008 at 12:37 amyou cannot even understand what happens when a company gains exclusivity over a market, and then the companies of multiple concerns becomes one company, look around you, don’t ya see the bizarre corporate mergers? These huge companies gobbling up smaller corps to gain market share, and then corps outside their sphere to extend into other markets, then making agreements with other market share holders, and then merging to fight off others, and so on and so on.
It is an end game to Fascism. A corporate totalitarian state. But I know the use of Fascism is out of bounds with you dinkledoofuss anus lickers.
MCMetal
Fake presidency! He stole the 2000 elections!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:38 amCorporations have all the power, are represented by governments and FTAs and freedom loving individuals can just shut the fu(k up and get to work.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:39 amToddMcLauchlin Says:
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Are you serious? You think they were better off under Saddam? You have a fabricated narrative, and you cherry pick facts to demonstrate the US is the ultmiate offender.
Where has UBL identified as the war theater against the US?
Have you asked the Iraqis?
Corporations running the government??? I am all about abolishing corporate welfare - but most of it comes in support of Democratic issues. Farm subsidies, tarrifs, etc.
Where in history can you demonstrate a socialized state that is successful and is able to defend itself?
May 15th, 2008 at 12:33 am
As opposed to your “fact based” prattling that attempts to laughably exonerate the Chimpy administration’s lies and deception in regards to Saddam/Iraq ?
Why base anything on any of Bin Laden’s statements ; especially seeing as how your “fearless leader” doesn’t think too much or even worry about him , and hasn’t for several years now……….
Did the Chimpy administration ask the Iraqi people if they could hold their bogus little “War On Terror” on Iraqi soil before invading ?
And do you realize that most corporate welfare is sponsored by and/or added attachments written by those in the GOP ?
Probably not……….
May 15th, 2008 at 12:40 amW plays crappy golf and lies about it. Best news I’ve heard from him.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:40 amTodd… prove it! Uribe violated international law by invading Equador. He is a criminal! and Colombia still produces US cocaine! plus… how much the Pentagon pays for poeple to get in blogs like this???
May 15th, 2008 at 12:41 amGOtta watch this video
May 15th, 2008 at 12:42 amhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=d3xlb6_0OEs
Hey shitforbrains
May 15th, 2008 at 12:43 amI was speaking about, AS STATED, free regin capitalism. Please keep up. I know it is hard, but try, baby.
Our corporate lapdog has made a big mess here.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:44 amAnd I even spelled reign the same as before regin, so you can search for it.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:44 amToddMcLauchlin Says:
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McMetal: How about an argument, instead of mindless, nonsensical statements.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:38 am
You want me to present an “argument” to someone who is using GOP spin/White House memo/right wingnut talking head rhetoric as “fact” ?
I’d prefer to beat off using a cheese grater ; the pay-off will be painful , but satisfying , nevertheless……..
May 15th, 2008 at 12:44 amTodd… for you to get real about the 2000 elections you had to read news from outside the US. Murdoch has ruined jornalism in your country.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:44 amWhy bite the hand that feeds you? I assume you are living in the US
May 15th, 2008 at 12:47 am—-
Only to distract our tenders long enough to build a more equitable and joyous place where all shared joy together at the table?
“Why bite the hand that feeds you? I assume you are living in the US”
I don’t want to be fed. I thought that is not what we should be doing…looking for a provider figure to keep us comfy? WHat happened to personal responsibility? And as if a corportion is going to do ANYTHIGN for humanity. Just look at Enron, WorldCom, etc, etc, the days of pensions are over, and corporate personhood does not even have to declare a citezenry, but yet, it is allowed Free Speech to help determine the election process….AND THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO VOTE. HOLY FU(KING SHIT ARE YOU BLIND OR JUST TOTALLY ON CRACK?
May 15th, 2008 at 12:47 am“Are you just regurgitating the dailykos or this site?”
If we say yes, will you leave?
May 15th, 2008 at 12:48 amUribe went into Equador because he was pursuing terrorists that were a threat to his country (and citizens) that the Equador govt refused to take into custody. It was the right things to do. I can’t believe of all the crooks in Latin America you think Uribe is one. Rediculous.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:49 amit is not me… like the USA, Colombia is alone in the continent. By entering Equador, it violated interational law. he is a criminal for doing so. Plus, the FARC members should be taken into prison and processed according to the LAW, not assassinated! I know the concept of “LAW & JUSTICE” in the USA today is in question…
“I am a free thinker, and study everything out myself. I don’t watch any news - I just read think tanks and studies from all sides.”
Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:50 amTodd
Your entire viewpoint is being warped because you are beginning it with the start-off premise that Chimpy is actually some sort of “good man” , deep down , and that whatever screw-ups he’s caused are because of a lack of things other than character or good intentions to begin with ; you couldn’t be any more wrong.
Those who are ‘righteous’ or would be doing what is best for the US and Americans would never ask citizens to relinquish Constitutional rights , nor would they do things illegally , like this president and administration have done throught their entire crappy tenure………..
May 15th, 2008 at 12:50 amSo, lets test this free thinker thingy.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:51 amTwo words
Al Gore
Xisithrus: thank you for the respectful tone. I mean it. -Todd
~~Thanks, I find disrespectful debate [name calling] fairly useless~~
Scrowfroft makes a case that is legitimate, but does not involve the perspective of the White House after 9-11.
Sure he did, he was part of Gates/Baker study group. He was also Chairman from 2001 to 2004 of the President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board but got canned for saying Sharon had Bush wrapped around his finger.
It was resolved (and this should answer some of the Downing memo stuff) that the iniative would be thwarting future attacks of terrorism, go after terror-sponsoring countries, and focus on preemptive prevention rather than a “law-enforcement” approach to taking UBL. -Todd
Thie pre-emptive doctrine is like proving a negative. As we see now it was and is bad policy.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:51 amIf you like Uribe so much, why don’t you move to Columbia.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:52 amToddMcLauchlin Says:
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Let’s reverse the argument - give me an example of something a government has produced that is substantial and noteworthy?
May 15th, 2008 at 12:52 am
Social security ………..
May 15th, 2008 at 12:53 amDinkledoofuss is in the offal orifice unconstitutionally because:
1) it is Bush v Gore, and bush did not have standing to complain about how FLorida votes
2) The SCOTUS did not have the authority to even review the case as it is and was a states issue and the Fla State SUpremem court had already ruled.
3) He tampered with the vote in Florida by having his thugs go down and cause a riot as Democratic voters to cause chaos (just like fatboy is doing now) in the recount process
4) they outright tampered with the voting machines through DIebold, just ask the pres of Diebold who he said he was going to see the votes go to?
I thought you said you read everything. Must have missed those, do you need more, spanky?
May 15th, 2008 at 12:55 am“serious terrorist attack”
BUllshit, bullshit, bullshit.
One word
May 15th, 2008 at 12:56 amANTHRAX
I really think the bigger questions here are about “truths” and “moral realities”. Help me out here Todd!!!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:56 amWinning hearts and minds in Iraq….now that’s a good one. Maybe W should kill a few of your relatives and blow up your house and drive your neighbors out of the country, then you would really love him.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:57 am