GOP Uses GI Bill As A ‘Political Gimmick’ On Senate Floor To Thwart Passage Of First Responder Legislation
GOP Uses GI Bill As A ‘Political Gimmick’ On Senate Floor To Thwart Passage Of First Responder Legislation
Today, the Senate debated the Public Safety Employer-Employee Cooperation Act of 2007 (H.R. 980), a bill strengthening the collective bargaining powers of firefighters, police officers, and first responders.
At noon, the Senate quickly “devolved into a procedural mess” when Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) attempted to attach Sen. Lindsey Graham’s (R-SC) watered-down GI Bill — which is strongly backed by Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) — as an amendment. McConnell also immediately seconded his measure, but then filed cloture, “prohibiting Democrats from filing their own version of the proposal.”
This amendment is a poison pill. It not only kills the Public Safety bill, but also blocks Sen. Jim Webb’s (D-VA) more generous GI Bill from being considered. In one swift maneuver, conservatives trampled over first responders and veterans. In a fiery speech, Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA) responded on the floor:
We have seen this parliamentary gimmick that has taken place offered by the Republican leadership that is a slap in the face to every firefighter and police officer and first responder in the country. [...]
We’re saying to the firefighters of this nation and to the police officers of this nation and the first responders of the nation: Your interest, the safety and security of our communities across the nation, should be put aside in favor of some political gimmick by the Republican leader here in the United States Senate.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) angrily reacted to the GOP maneuver by issuing a quorum call and denying Sen. Judd Gregg’s (R-NH) right to speak three times. Watch it:
This morning, Politico reported that McCain and his allies were “reaching out” to Webb “in the hope of finding a compromise on a GI Bill.” It seems, however, that McCain became desperate to avoid a “potential embarrassment” and resorted to this political stunt. Unlike McCain’s bill, Webb’s has strong bipartisan support and the backing of a majority of the American public.
Why not focus on the GI bill after the first responders bill is over? Kennedy asked. “Do it Friday, Saturday, Sunday, or Monday. Maybe Sen. McCain will come back for it,” he said. “Maybe he won’t.”
McCain was not in the Senate today and questions remain whether he approved this strategy. “Maybe the leadership on the other side can tell us whether Sen. McCain approved this strategy,” added Kennedy. “Maybe you can find that out. I think the police and firefighters would like to know.”
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Tactical political maneuvers – all the Republicans really have to offer.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:35 pmThis line of sociopathic behavior by congressional Republicans seems incredibly self-defeating. I understand the Republican leadership is contemptuous of its base but even those who have been voting against their own interests since 1994 are starting to recognize that this pack is somewhere between unproductive and toxic (cite for authority the three most recent special elections in Ill., La. and Miss.). At this rate the next Republican convention will be held in an equally archaic institution — a telephone booth.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:39 pmMichael Moore’s website has an interesting comment by the Pentagon. If the military has better tuition grants they would be less likely to remain in the service. Now, if they can get out many are leaving for the better paying contractor positions. So, to retain our military use stop loss and low pay. Something smells.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:40 pmRepublicans attack firefighters policemen and EMTs, so they can screw veterans. But they’re all wearing flag pins so it’s ok.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:42 pmanymouse20 Says:
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11:40 a.m. and Kennedy appeared drunk already.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
And typically , he still made more sense than the imbeciles in the GOP ……….Or you.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:43 pmanymouse20 Says:
11:40 a.m. and Kennedy appeared drunk already.
Yup, sweetpea. And now it’s 2:45 p.m. and you appear stupid . . . still.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:43 pmAny American looking at these shenanigans must come to the conclusion that the right side does not honor nor support our brave soldiers and first responders. There is no otehr way to view this procedural ’sleight of hand’. Why not just vote on the stuff and get on with it? Oh yeah, I forgot. The GOP is a criminal enterprise and they don’t know how to govern fairly. They support the troops by voting against them?
May 14th, 2008 at 3:44 pmanymouse20 Says:
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The Republican minority is learning to use the types of parliamentary maneuvering that the Democrats used when they were in the minority. The Democrats obviously don’t like seeing their own tactics used against them.
Yet another lie. Everyone here knows that the dems were too inept and nambypamby to try anything this underhanded. If you have proof to the contrary, please provide a link, otherwise stick to your 30 year old cheapshots at Kennedy, at least those make you seem smarter than you are.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:44 pmanymouse20 Says:
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The Republican minority is learning to use the types of parliamentary maneuvering that the Democrats used when they were in the minority. The Democrats obviously don’t like seeing their own tactics used against them.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
Please post all the instances of parliamentary maneuvering the Dems used when it came to those who help and defend the public and also our Vets ; I will be awaiting your response in breathless anticipation.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:45 pmMCMetal: it won’t because it can’t. It will scurry away to lie another day.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:46 pmany_goon_mouse20 Says:
The Republican minority is learning to use the types of parliamentary maneuvering that the Democrats used when they were in the minority. The Democrats obviously don’t like seeing their own tactics used against them.
It gets increasingly more difficult to be an apologist for the Republicans, so difficult that the lies become ever more blatant. I’d ask for evidence to prove your “point” but I know that (a) it doesn’t exist and (b) you couldn’t find it unless it was posted at newsmax.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:47 pmanymouse20,
Why do McCain and Bush oppose a GI Bill that has strong bipartisan support and is the top priority of every veterans organization in the country?
May 14th, 2008 at 3:50 pmSo now the top three things Republicans hate are:
Mothers
Veterans
Firefighters
Nice.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:53 pmanymouse20 Says:
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Bobwurst Says:
[…] 30 year old cheapshots […]
May 14th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
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The Scotch may have been 30 years old, but I doubt it was cheap.
Seriously though. I don’t approve of these uses of parliamentary procedure by either party, and we all know that both parties have been guilty of it at one time or another. The Senate Rules need to be changed so that Bills are required to cover a single issue and this type of tactic simply isn’t available.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
You still have not provided the proof/evidence in relation to your unsubstantiated statement that Dems have also been recently guilty of this type of parliamentary maneuvering ; either provide it , or simply admit that you are talking out your ass , you GOP tool.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:54 pmanymouse20 Says:
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11:40 a.m. and Kennedy appeared drunk already.
Kennedy is my Senator, and I’ll take Kennedy three, hell, make it NINE sheets to the wind over ANY Republican any day of the week. Can you dispute ANYTHING he had to say that was quoted above? No, obviously not since all you can do is make the same old “Kennedy’s a drunk” statement. What about Cheney? He’s a drunk too, he shot someone in the FACE, and made the victim APOLOGIZE to him for it. Dubya got a DUI in 1975…1975!!! I’m paraphrasing a comedian here, but it stands true nonetheless: DO YOU KNOW HOW DRUNK YOU’D HAVE TO BE TO GET A DUI IN 1975!?
May 14th, 2008 at 3:55 pmbush and mccain realize there isn’t enough money to be fair to our servicemen and women, however, bush always passed a Bill and then underfunded it so why now is he stonewalling this Bill ?
May 14th, 2008 at 3:55 pmanymouse20 Says:
We all know that both parties have been guilty of it at one time or another.
No, we don’t know that. this is yet another case of surface equivilancy that right wingers do. We you people get called on something you say both sides do it and either call us hypocrites or say that both side should stop.
Until you provide proof of dems doing the same thing, you’re a liar.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:56 pmIn a related story; School Military Recruiting Could Violate International Protocol- by Jim Lobe http://www.commondreams.org
And 40 years ago, I thought back then that JROTC in high schools was creepy.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:56 pmLT – mouse20 is just trying to derail this thread…ignore it. At least for political reasons or not the Dems are trying to help our volunteer army that has the courage to fight for the rights of mousedropping20.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:57 pmtexaslady, you daaaamn right.
I just couldn’t help it, like I said, Kennedy’s my Senator and I’m proud to have him (he’s certainly not perfect, but what politician is?)
May 14th, 2008 at 3:58 pmWhy are McConnell and McCain trying to thwart the efforts of veterans organizations instead of supporting them?
May 14th, 2008 at 4:00 pmMore proof why the Repugnicunts are going to lose BIG in November. It’s time to kick these pukes to the curb and rebuild our country.
Oh, and everyfckratnn, go blow the dog again please and stay TF off this site. Flag on sight folks.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:00 pmLiberal traitor
I’m paraphrasing a comedian here, but it stands true nonetheless: DO YOU KNOW HOW DRUNK YOU’D HAVE TO BE TO GET A DUI IN 1975!?
Well, not really, but I know how drunk I could be and not get one. Really. I was in high school back then and every friday and saturday night we’d pile into someones’ mother’s station wagon and drive to wisconsin to get staggering, puking drunk and then drive home. We got pulled over numerous times and no one ever got a DUI. sometimes we’d have to pour out our beers, but we never, ever got busted. bush must have been very drunk to have gotten one in the same town as the family compound.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:00 pmApparently, it’s more important to the Republicans that they cover their candidate’s ass then it is to support the people who are actually protecting us.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:00 pmAs a state, Massachusetts is pretty lucky in our congressional representation. We’ve got Kennedy, Kerry, Capuano, Franks…
Anyway, this crap is just par for the course and I can’t wait for ‘09, with or without a Dem in the White House the Congress will be decidedly more Democratic in ‘09 and we can go from there.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:00 pmThis issue (GI Bill and First Responders) is paramount to a healthy future for our country. Aside from pure partisan politics, there is no good reason to avoid the vote or vote against the measure. None.
If our resident troll and rodent can explain how the right side views this as being good for the country, I am all ears. I’m afraid the rodent merely thinks if the dems lose over a legislative issue, then his side wins. That is what it has come to. The right side just doesn’t want the dems to get credit for caring for our soldiers. If that’s the case rodent, just say so.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:00 pmanymouse20 Says:
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11:40 a.m. and Kennedy appeared drunk already.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
And he still appears 1000 times more lucid and intelligent than your retarded Deity-In-Chief , who supposedly ceased drinking a decade ago…………
May 14th, 2008 at 4:02 pm27. Bobwurst
You just made my point for me with anecdotal evidence haha, thanks for that.
I wasn’t alive in 1975, but from the stories I’ve been told by people who were, which now includes you, you’d have be on the verge of alcohol poisoning while hanging your naked ass out the driver’s side window (while driving) and crash through an orphanage, out the other side, and into a convent full of ailing nuns in order for the cops to care that you were drunk behind the wheel back then.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:03 pmLT – I agree totally ! Kennedy, Barney Frank, Jim Webb, seem to be the only ones with backbone anymore. Shame that we have so few heros in government. Too bad the conservative haven’t a backbone in the whole bunch, just selfserving liars.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:04 pmWay to go, Mitchie – a slap in the face of first responders and a pork laden earmark for thoroughbred owners. You’re having quite a day. How about keeping nuns from voting or kicking the crutches out from under a wounded Vet next?
May 14th, 2008 at 4:05 pmanymouse20 Says:
11:40 a.m. and Kennedy appeared drunk already.
IF Kennedy is drunk, tomorrow he will be sober. Unfortunately for you, tomorrow you will still be stupid.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:05 pmliberal traitor Says:
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texaslady, you daaaamn right.
I just couldn’t help it, like I said, Kennedy’s my Senator and I’m proud to have him (he’s certainly not perfect, but what politician is?)
May 14th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
McJowels and his buddy Lieberman together , aren’t half the Senator Kennedy has been for the past 45+ years……..
May 14th, 2008 at 4:06 pmanymouse20 Says:
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O.k. O.k. I understand. It’s o.k. to be a drunk ALAYAD.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Unless you’re also stupid ; sadly , that’s why you and Chimpy should not drink………….
May 14th, 2008 at 4:08 pmLet’s see…The repuglycans just lost another house seat yesterday. How many police and firefighters and veterans can they piss off today?
May 14th, 2008 at 4:08 pmKeep it up, dumbasses, you won’t have any goddamn members in the house at this rate.
Chris at #25 – there is logic keep the troops in the service rather than providing opportunity to get an education. It is tough to retain the seasoned men and women as it is and the recuiting even with hefty bonus’s isn’t helping. Stop loss can’t last forever and those who can are opting out of the 3 and more tours. Economy is bad, only job in town is the military. With war Big bucks to be had for ammunitions, vehicles, Blackwater, KBR. You name it.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:10 pmLet the Republicans keep doing this crap – the American people are now seeing through it…all the hypocrisy, the lies, the poison pills, the procedural shenanigans…we are beginning to see ALL OF IT. No wonder the Democrat won in Mississippi…we don’t want any more of this. But the Republicans have nothing, absolutely nothing else. Their base is shrinking, their THOUGHT PROCESSES are shrinking, and they’ll be left a dry husk to be blow away soon.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:10 pmanymouse20 Says:
“Dems Derail McCain Bill to Boost Veterans’ College Aid” — Headlines like this are the obvious reason for the tactical maneuver. Again, I don’t approve. Why doesn’t the Senate simply vote on the McCain bill, or on the Webb bill since Webb is unwilling to compromise. Why is the Democratic leadership stalling on bringing these bills to a vote? Politics perhaps?
Please, please read about how laws are made and the procedures necessary to enact them. I am really trying to be polite to you, but you make it next to impossible to carry on a meaningful dialog. At this stage, TP is not going to educate you on the procedural moves Congress can make. For you to even suggest the procedural moves are best for our brave soldiers is an absolute insult to those men and women.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:12 pm#37 – AMEN But I thought it was mousedroppings20…must have read wrong. Hey mouse…when are you signing up for McCains war ? Lots of benefits you know, but bring your own body armor.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:12 pmAnd texaslady, providing an education to these veterans is out DUTY…whether they’ve been in for two years or twelve. Haven’t you been reading the OMB report which specifically said that recruitment would go up if there was a generous education bill? Retention would be more difficult, but at least you’d get people of a caliber instead of criminals and drug addicts going over to Iraq!
May 14th, 2008 at 4:12 pmFlag the rat and we won’t have the droppings folks. Why put up with that shit?
May 14th, 2008 at 4:13 pmanymouse20 Says:
Why doesn’t the Senate simply vote on the McCain bill, or on the Webb bill since Webb is unwilling to compromise. Why is the Democratic leadership stalling on bringing these bills to a vote? Politics perhaps?
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Several republicans have already stated they will introduce a senatorial procedure to block the Webb GI Bill. We need 60 votes to overcome that – we currently have 56.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:14 pmAnymouse – I’ll wait to see if that is the case, the Republican party is so weakened by all this, there must be some issues of difference the new guy will have. I don’t understand politics in Mississippi, but he will be in the Democratic caucus, so maybe that will have some influence. I’m not counting any chickens…
May 14th, 2008 at 4:19 pmI, uh, think the, uh, Senate Republicans, are in the, uh, last throes, if you will..
May 14th, 2008 at 4:19 pmanymouse20 Says:
StratRat: what is best for our soldiers is to bring the proposals for increased GI benefits to a vote rather than holding them up for political gain. Like Kennedy said, that could be done as soon as this week. But we all know it won’t happen. It could have been done last week. So why is the Democratic leadership holding this up? Let’s have a vote.
Take that up with the Republicans, fool. Quit trying to blame it on the Democrats.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:22 pmanymouse20 Says:
Chris L: That is not true. You don’t have to be a co-sponsor to vote for a bill. What you have is 56 co-sponsors. Most bills that pass have far, far less co-sponsors than that.
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Yes, that is true – I was in DC talking to Chuck Hagel about this just recently.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:26 pmanymouse20 Says:
gummitch: I blame both parties for failure to bring this to a vote. Let’s have a vote.
That’s because you’re not paying attention. The funding issue that had temporarily stalled it in the House among conservative Democrats has been resolved and it is the Republican Senators and the Republican President that stand in the way.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:30 pmHow can up to date tuition even be an issue ? The wounded need tuition to be able to train for a career that meets their disability. Or shall we continue to let them be homeless waiting for their disability to be approved by this wonderful government system we have.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:31 pmCome on people, trying to reason with goon_golly is folly. Stop it already. It won’t happen. She doesn’t frickin’ get it.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:37 pmAnd the Repugs wonder why they are becoming the Uber-minority party as fast as the special elections can be held.
Heh heh
May 14th, 2008 at 4:37 pmanymouse20 Says:
11:40 a.m. and Kennedy appeared drunk already.
May 14th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Naw, he was sitting downwind of Boehner and was getting high off the alcohol fumes.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:39 pmA republican president who was a.w.o.l. never forget. But md,feels so much more above the men and women who serve for many reasons, one of which is honor and loyalty to their country and the ones serving with them.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:40 pmanymouse20 Says:
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“Dems Derail McCain Bill to Boost Veterans’ College Aid” — Headlines like this are the obvious reason for the tactical maneuver. Again, I don’t approve. Why doesn’t the Senate simply vote on the McCain bill, or on the Webb bill since Webb is unwilling to compromise. Why is the Democratic leadership stalling on bringing these bills to a vote? Politics perhaps?
May 14th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
Please explain the rationale behind Webb needing to “compromise” , and why you don’t hold the stupid old fart McJowels up for the same scrutiny ; Webb’s bill is superior and he is also a member of the MAJORITY party , while McJowels is a member of the party that has the worst and most disliked/unpopular president in US history.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:41 pmanymouse20 Says:
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“Dems Derail McCain Bill to Boost Veterans’ College Aid” — That headline is already in print.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Perhaps at NewsCrap or PowerLame ; the real headline will read “Dems Derail Inferior McCain Bill to Boost Veterans’ College Aid”
May 14th, 2008 at 4:44 pmanymouse20 Says:
Jeannie: I “get” most of the arguments raised by others above (although I don’t “get” the good_golly reference??). I just don’t happen to agree with some of them.
Busted. She said “goon_golly” which was, as you know, one of our pet names for “good_golly”. That was truly pathetic, goon.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:44 pmI am a Vietnam vet and served under Tricky Dickie and even HE provided me with a decent (for the times) GI Bill to complete my education.
Guess it takes a dry drunk AWOL functional illiterate big-hat Texan (All hat/no cattle) to f@ck over those that currently serve our country.
This is the person Anymousey voted for, both times, I do believe.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:47 pmSay what you want about all politicians being the same, but the Dems never pulled this level of backhanded bs before.
This crap might be in the rules, but it’s certainly not in the spirit of this country. The Reps obstructionist strategy is just embarassing.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:49 pmEver notice the biggest conservative defenders are the least likely to serve in any capacity to their country ? Oh, maybe they are waiting for that Diplomat job in Hawaii. Yes, I mean you mousedroppings.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:49 pmUnlike the princess bride, we have here RodentsofUnusualStupidity.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:54 pmThe Dems should attach impeachment hearings, make it fun all around.
What a bunch of crap. This could maybe go on the Iraq funding, since it deals with veterans, but Webb’s should go first obviously.
Apparently the Republicans want a volunteer army joining out of economic desperation and returning to it, poor and/or homeless following the service. The rich stay here.
The only reason McCain isn’t homeless after all that torture is probably his rich family.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:54 pmAnymouse,
Your posts provide all the personal information needed to identify your leanings and morals.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:56 pmanymouse20 Says:
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You assume too much texaslady. I’m not going to provide any of you attack dogs with personal information, but you assume too much.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Yeah , because we’re all so desperate to know everything about you ; we already know everything we need to.
You’re a GOP stooge and an imbecile……
May 14th, 2008 at 4:57 pm#69 – Vietnam was horrible no doubt about it. Pretty much lied into that just like Iraq. The Iraq Vets Against War are going up the Hill tomorrow, maybe somebody will listen. At least some of us are letting our family members in Iraq know we are fighting for them. Not our government but the families, just like before.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:57 pmFrom what I can tell the Dems derailed McSames plan to reduce recruitment and retention of troops.
Besides, Limbaugh [or Schafly] wouldnt have approved of the ‘Feminazi’ [Pfotenhauer] plan to give educational benefits to wives of the troops. I think McPander wanted to kill his own bill anyway, hes done this before to try and look non-partisan.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:58 pmMousedropping I did not ask nor do I want any personal information from or about you. Your postings say it all.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:58 pmanymouse20 Says:
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Senate Democrats Tack Hate-Crimes Bill Onto Pentagon Spending Bill. That’s one example of the Democrats past use of this procedure.
May 14th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
Umm , no anonymoron , the bill had a REPUBLICAN co-sponsor ; Oregon senator Gordon Smith.
How is that a Democratic party ploy if it had Republican support ?
Dummy.
May 14th, 2008 at 5:02 pmanymouse20 Says:
Jeannie: I “get” most of the arguments raised by others above (although I don’t “get” the good_golly reference??). I just don’t happen to agree with some of them.
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It isn’t that you don’t happen to agree with them. It’s that you refuse to sift through the bullshit that the repugs are trying to pull and try to blame the dems for the crap that the repugs are pulling.
(and, by the way, you outed yourself)
May 14th, 2008 at 5:03 pmTexaslady,
Yes, Vietnam was a clusterf@ck just like this occupation in Iraq. I told everyone I knew when it started, it was deja vu for me. One difference is, at least the people support the troops, even if the majority don’t support the president and his ego oil war.
I was a member of Viet Vets Against the War when I returned and marched on DC and threw my medals over the fence with Kerry and the others. I hope the Iraq vets can accomplish their mission too. They have my full support.
May 14th, 2008 at 5:03 pmanymouse20 Says:
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Here is another example: “House Democrats Attach Bill To Delay Medicaid Regulations To Supplemental War Appropriations Legislation.”
May 14th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
This bill was just put up last week ; the Dems are the MAJORITY PARTY. How does that make it “parliamentary maneuvering” , you colossal nitwit ?
May 14th, 2008 at 5:11 pmupside; I STILL am a member of VVAW, and always will(lifetime membership).
Blue November will be having a peace rally in Port Huron this Saturday(I’m a member of that, too) and will be out there in uniform proudly waving my VVAW flag.
May 14th, 2008 at 5:12 pmanymouse20 Says:
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And another example:
Democrats holdup Senate over HMO reform
June 23, 1999
Democrats holdup Senate over HMO reform
– Democrats, promising to block all legislation in the Senate until the GOP leadership agrees to debate their so-called patients’ bill of rights proposal, tried again Wednesday to attach the measure to the agriculture appropriations bill.
May 14th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
Almost a decade ago ; got anything from the 19th century too , jackass ?
May 14th, 2008 at 5:13 pmHo,
You go, Dude. Make all of us old fart vets proud!
May 14th, 2008 at 5:14 pmupside 99 I don’t see the support you see..unless they are affected having lost someone or have someone on the 4th tour, for the most part Americans aren’t even involved. I don’t count the plastic $5.00 ribbons from China on the back of their SUV’s as caring.
May 14th, 2008 at 5:15 pmThe media refuses to carry those who are marching and protesting so unless you read the Internet families feel very much alone. At least we at home, can send information over to our family members.
At the very least start demanding how many are really wounded and how many are really killed. I believe nothing this government tells us after all the proven lies that are coming out.
Defenders of this administration make me sick.
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I’ll stop with those three so that I am not falsely accused of spamming, but a number of you challenged me above to come up with some examples of Democrats using this tactic (”or STFU”), and I have delivered.
May 14th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
The only thing you have “delivered” is a post that should just read ” I am anonymoron , the King of Stupidia”.
You used 1 ‘example’ that had a GOP co-sponsor , another that is a bill that was just introduced last week in a Dem Majority Congress , and the last was almost a decade ago.
You’re hopelessly retarded…………
May 14th, 2008 at 5:15 pmanymouse20 Says:
Good_Golly MissMolly a/k/a goon_golly must have been one heck of a poster for me to draw such a flattering comparison. I wish she were here so that we could happily “Recommend” each other’s posts.
Actually, no, you were and are a particularly lame commenter. I don’t have any doubt you’d love to recommend your own comments, though, because that’s the only recommendation you’ll ever get. If you’re going to masquerade as a “new” comment, you might want to try using a different approach.
May 14th, 2008 at 5:16 pmanymouse20 Says:
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Guess whose Hate Crime Amendment was attached to the Defense Autorization Bill using the exact same tactic?
May 14th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
The co-sponsor is from the GOP ; explain how that is a Democratic party parliamentary maneuvering procedure , ya’ dopey bastood ……..
May 14th, 2008 at 5:18 pmTexaslady,
What I see different when I travel, (which is a lot) is that people are respectful of the troops in the airports, act like they are real people, unlike the treatment I received when I traveled in uniform.
As to the rest of your post, I fully agree! But getting anything approaching the truth from the scum currently slithering through the WH and on the Repug side of the aisle in Congress has proven to be a very difficult task, indeed.
May 14th, 2008 at 5:20 pmanymouse20 Says:
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Uh, oh. Looks like Senator Kennedy is a repeat offender of using this procedural tactic.
May 14th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
According to whom and what ?
Here’s part of the link YOU POSTED:
The U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee today passed on voice vote S. 1086, the Senate version of “The Child Safety Act,” without the “hate crimes” language that passed in the House in September.
This is good news for pro-family Americans. However, CWA has learned that Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-Massachusetts) might introduce the “hate crimes” amendment when the bill, which tightens laws regarding sex offenders, comes to the Senate floor. No timeline has been given for a full Senate vote.
“Might introduce” means someone is “guilty” of what , skid mark ?
Stop lying , you GOP nut hugging moron………..
May 14th, 2008 at 5:21 pmThe Republicans have become experts at cutting off their own noses to spite their faces.
They’re losing seats, presumably because their base is starting to catch on to the fact that they don’t give a damn about the people, and will do anything and everything they can to get their way. Even if it means cheating.
Now they’re not even trying to hide it.
Of course, if the Democrats ever tried to do something like this, the Republicans would be screaming bloody murder.
May 14th, 2008 at 5:22 pmanymouse20 Says:
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McMetal. Does that mean that you want more examples? Well, o.k. since you asked:
“Two union-backed outsourcing measures added to Senate Defense bill.” June 15, 2004. The amendment, by the way, was proposed by Senator Kennedy.
May 14th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
No
I want 1 ; you have provided NOTHING as of yet.
The above is another laughable and stupid attempt by you , to smear the Dems , and more specifically , Kennedy.
Legislation to give civil servants new rights to challenge government outsourcing decisions inched closer to law Monday when the Senate attached it to the fiscal 2005 Defense authorization bill.
The legislation, sponsored by Sens. Susan Collins, R-Maine, and Carl Levin, D-Mich., would let federal workers appeal the outcome of public-private job competitions to the General Accounting Office – -a right currently enjoyed only by contractors.
In separate action, the Senate added an amendment from Sens. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., and Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga., to the Defense bill that would make it easier for the Pentagon to shift work from contractors back to government employees.
It was BI-PARTISAN in all areas , you colossal dipshit.
May 14th, 2008 at 5:24 pmUpside 99
Never once did anyone I know in uniform during Vietnam, experience a derogatory action. I am so sorry you did.
However, I am hearing many things about the Iraq vets that make me sick, they should know what they are getting into, they are looking for paid tuition, or the worst they are hoping for a minor wound for a lifetime disability check.
Because it is a volunteer military, there is less responsibility felt for the lies that took us into this war.
May 14th, 2008 at 5:36 pmThe vets I know are feeling very forgotten.
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That’s it. I’m done providing examples, unless DJMetal wants more. What say you DJ? Have you had enough yet?
May 14th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Another what , anonymoron ?
You haven’t provided anything outside of not understanding the nature of the tactic being discussed on this particular thread.
The “examples” you claim to have provided are either from a different decade (thus a different century) , bi-partisan in nature , or are bills that were just recently introduced into a Democratic majority Congress ; thus eliminating them all from the parliamentary maneuvering you originally claimed.
You are feeble minded lying speck of crap………..
May 14th, 2008 at 5:39 pmFrom Anymouses link;
May 14th, 2008 at 5:41 pm
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To recap: I disagree with this procedural tactic. Both parties use it (see above), and Sen. Kennedy is one of its most frequent employers, although he object to it today when it is used against him. Both sides should stop this by enacting some sort of Single Issue rule. I know that such rules are not easy to draft or enforce, but is has been done in State Legislatures.
May 14th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
I don’t know what the bug up your stupid ass is (nor do I care) , but you really need to cease and desist lying on such a tremendously large scope.
May 14th, 2008 at 5:43 pmSomeone help me, why would mousedroppings link to a passage that contradicts its argument ? Duh !
May 14th, 2008 at 5:44 pmExley is burned out… this is its “B” game.
May 14th, 2008 at 5:53 pmOh by all means if YOU object it will NEVER be used. Mousedroppings since this site obviously is so BENEATH your intellect how about going somewhere else ?
May 14th, 2008 at 5:59 pmanymouse20 Says:
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I didn’t texaslady. If you will simply READ above, you will see that I have repeatedly stated that both sides use this procedural tactic, I provided examples of both sides using it repeatedly in the past, and I object to it. My proposal is for a Single Issue Rule so that neither side may use this tactic in the future. I know that will be hard on Kennedy to eliminate one of his favorite parliamentary tools, but it must apply universally.
May 14th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
No , you haven’t
I have already repeatedly pointed out the glaring errors in your supposed “examples” ; you simply refusing to acknowledge them doesn’t mean that they don’t exist.
The only example that has been provided and that is correct is by TP itself ; you are simply a liar and a GOP backing dipshit.
May 14th, 2008 at 5:59 pmSenator McConnell,
May 14th, 2008 at 6:00 pmYou know your long held secret about you and the your slimy underhanded, dealings with the Selective Service after you graduated from Law School, May 4 of 1967! Well soon they’ll become public, what do you have to say about that Senator?
I dont think that congress, either side, wants to give up any of its parliamentary tools……political footballs are part of the game. Ever see that game ‘Worms’ where they have all these tools, a turn-based system, to destroy each other?
Thats what congress reminds me of.
May 14th, 2008 at 6:02 pmanymouse20 Says:
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No MC, you haven’t. You haven’t pointed out anything but your juvenile ignorance. Do you object to the adoption of a Single Issue Rule? If so, why?
May 14th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
Why don’t you start by explaining to this “juvenile” (and everyone else here) , how exactly bi-partisan bills and even attachments , are the same as the parliamentary maneuvering that was demonstrated by Mitch McChinless and Graham Cracker .
If you cannot , you really need to stop posting your habitual lying and hysterically stupid claims of “coming though” ; because you aren’t doing the GOP any good at all.
May 14th, 2008 at 6:09 pmanymouse20 Says:
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(crickets) — that’s what I thought.
Good night.
May 14th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
Another outright lie ; your claim to be able to “think”.
Yeah , run away after lying throughout the entire thread , shithead.
Piss off , you GOP stooge.
May 14th, 2008 at 6:12 pmMc – mousedroppings can’t explain because it is time to go to supper at the Assisted Living facility. You know I totally understand when the postings get radical with these nimnuts. Had to really restrain myself with this idiot.
May 14th, 2008 at 6:15 pmFlag mightymouse for being too stupid to breath. I also think he’s missing his Oxy-loving hero.
Why should there be any COMPROMISE on educating our returning Vets? This just proves that the stupid neo-clowns care more about political games than they do about our Vets,Firefighters,Police, ect.
May 14th, 2008 at 6:24 pmIt looks like dufusmouse is GONE! BUH-BYE! :)
May 14th, 2008 at 6:26 pmThe GOP just doesn’t get it. We are over them and this childish shit just furthers their demise.
May 14th, 2008 at 11:01 pmMCMetal -
NICE rally – seems Mousedroppings was so beyond his depth with baseless troll rattling I began to feel the need to sweep up afterwords . . . his baseless juvenile posts under line the basic problem with the RepubliCONS . . . lies, unrelated factoids supporting a policy of destruction of 200 years of American Progress.
It is beyond me how even at this point 28% still support Bush – there aren’t that may rich war profiteers so the rest must hate America or lack the intelligence to see they are voting against their own self interests . . .
May 15th, 2008 at 12:56 amInstead of the Dems complaining of the tactics
May 15th, 2008 at 5:18 amthe repubs are using, they need to employ their
own tactics and stop this bullshit. It seems that
the Dems are always being snookered. Are we that
bad at understanding procedural maneuvering or
are the repubs that good. I hope it is not the
latter, but we had better bone up on our
legislative skills I’m a thinkin. The big problem
is that when the Dem get the Presidency, the repub
are going to fight us every day and we are going to
have be very good to counter it. Until Fox news
and what it represents, becomes a minor player, we
Dems are going to end up slogging through the shit
pile until we can go around it. And the best way
to do that is through legislative skills.