In Speech Before Israeli Parliament, Bush Compares Democrats To Nazi-Appeasers
In Speech Before Israeli Parliament, Bush Compares Democrats To Nazi-Appeasers
While delivering an address before the Israeli parliament commemorating the 60th anniversary of Israel, President Bush said that Sen. Barack Obama and Democrats favor a policy of appeasement toward terrorists. CNN reports that Bush was comparing Obama to “other U.S. leaders back in the run-up to World War II who appeased the Nazis.”
In his speech, Bush said, “As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: ‘Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.’ We have an obligation to call this what it is – the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history.”
CNN’s Ed Henry reported that, while “President Bush never uttered the words Barack Obama,” his White House sources tell him it was clearly intended to be a partisan shot:
White House aides are acknowledging that this was a reference to the fact that Sen. Obama and other Democrats have publicly said that it would be ok for the U.S. President to meet with leaders like the Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmedinejad.
Watch it:
President Bush may want to take up his head-in-the-sand views with his own Defense Secretary. Just yesterday, Robert Gates said the U.S. needs to “sit down and talk with” Iran:
“We need to figure out a way to develop some leverage…and then sit down and talk with them,” Gates said. “If there is going to be a discussion, then they need something, too. We can’t go to a discussion and be completely the demander, with them not feeling that they need anything from us.”
Bush’s cross-continental partisan assault upends the traditional notion that U.S. politics should stop “at the water’s edge.” Reacting to Bush’s comments, Obama issued this statement: “It is sad that President Bush would use a speech to the Knesset on the 60th anniversary of Israel’s independence to launch a false political attack. It is time to turn the page on eight years of policies that have strengthened Iran and failed to secure America or our ally Israel.”
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President Cockroach skitters out of the dark momentarily.
May 15th, 2008 at 9:27 amHe must really hate his grandfather.
May 15th, 2008 at 9:28 amThis is the man who let Osama and Zawahiri go and who builds infrastructure for Shiites.
May 15th, 2008 at 9:30 amMaybe Dubya gets to have his third term as president……….. of Israel
May 15th, 2008 at 9:32 amYou mean isolationist Republican Senator and Republican National Committee member from Idaho William Borah?
That someone?
May 15th, 2008 at 9:33 amHmmmm
Misleading our nation to invade a country with absolutely no ties to our darkest day (9/11).
Illegally torturing captives.
Secretly monitoring our citizens?
Outing agents who disagree with the government?
No offensive, Dubya, but that’s more Nazi like than anything Obama has to offer.
ohhhhh, and I got yer standing ovation, right here!!!!
May 15th, 2008 at 9:34 amHe seems unaware that world terrorism has tripled under his watch.
May 15th, 2008 at 9:34 amThanks for the advice, Gigi, but I’ve grown to distrust your assessments of what is “excellent” in terms of Dumbya’s speeches and/or policy.
George W. Bush — what a d!ck.
May 15th, 2008 at 9:36 am1. G00D_G0LLY Says:
You should listen to the entire speech. I did so on POTUS ‘08. It was excellent, historic and resulted in several standing ovations.
Plus, he gave up golf to show his solidarity with the troops! Dynamic and courageous! (the standing ovations were the Israelis traditional delight with watching animal acts; a talking baboon. Hell, they gave a checkers-playing chicken 4 standing ovations alone…two for beating the baboon…)
The stupid…it buuuuuuuurrrns!!!
May 15th, 2008 at 9:39 amOver and over and over Bush/Cheney tried to paint Democrats as opposed to fighting terror. And this is why they failed. They said “our way or the highway”, and they failed.
Years ago when I started learning about America’s support for Israel the one thing I heard over and over and over again from my Republican friends is:
Palestinians were animals, and they should not complain about having lost their land. And this is all they have ever had. When you take away the smoke and detail and the terror and the 2-party state talk and all the mumbo jumbo this is what you’re left with. Hatred so deep for one another that it could only beget violence. Israel was born of hatred, and make no mistake, Bush and NcCain think you are a part of Hamas and they hate you. To their cores they hate you.
May 15th, 2008 at 9:39 amW…T…F!!!?
Why am I still shocked by this man?
This actually makes its strikingly clear WHY Obama needs to be elected… NOW!
May 15th, 2008 at 9:39 amTalk about calling the ‘Kettle Black”, this Facsist dubya has done nothing but Illegal and unethical things for the last 2 terms. Can you say “Hangem High”.
May 15th, 2008 at 9:40 amPerry logan Says:
He seems unaware that world terrorism has tripled under his watch.
He’s unaware of a lot of things, including his own increasing irrelevance.
May 15th, 2008 at 9:40 amI guess he should FIRE RObert Gates then,
At a meeting of the Academy of American Diplomacy yesterday, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said that the U.S. should engage Iran with “a combination of incentives and pressure.” We need to figure out a way to develop some leverage . . . and then sit down and talk with them,” Gates said. He added that the U.S. “can’t go to a discussion and be completely the demander.”
May 15th, 2008 at 9:44 amWhy am I not surprised by his remarks?
Until the Bush 43 misadministration, the US has always maintained contact with potential adversaries. Remember the Washington-Moscow Hotline, which was established at the height of the Cold War?
What an ignorant man!I can’t wait for January 20, 2009.
May 15th, 2008 at 9:44 amJanuary 20, 2009
Plan your “End to Tyranny” party now.
May 15th, 2008 at 9:46 amOr in other words
“FU(K THE FASCISTS” party
May 15th, 2008 at 9:47 amIt’s funny how this anecdote about the appeasing senator is repeated by rightwing nutholes over and over and they never mention the appeaser was a Republican.
-GSD
May 15th, 2008 at 9:47 amWhich one of his advisors told him of “a U. S. Senator” who lamented not being able to talk to Hitler? And wasn’t it lucky that this advisor didn’t tell him it was a Republican?
May 15th, 2008 at 9:48 amThis is the word of a moronic leader who is responsible for increased hatred and terrorism toward America and its allies, this is the assinine leader who has a convenient memory of his own family history - not of Nazi “appeasement” but actual collaboration.
May 15th, 2008 at 9:52 amAll former presidents have engaged in discussions and negotiations with our enemies - it is only this stubborn, bellicose, ignorant dolt in the white house who prefers to use force and warfare to make his point.
The American public are on to him (finally) as is the rest of the world - he is seen as a man now who is simply marking time until he leaves (as we all are counting the days) and whose words are not to be taken seriously.
Olbermann had the right advice for Bush: Shut the hell up.
More like
May 15th, 2008 at 9:54 am“This is the word of a moronic despot”
Gee, gigi gets outed yesterday with another screen name and suddently it shows up as it’s old self, sputtering crap….
If bush is so against appeasing terrorists, why did he let the bin laden family flee our country after 9-11?
May 15th, 2008 at 9:55 amGOtta watch this video
May 15th, 2008 at 9:57 amhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=d3xlb6_0OEs
BTW, that lame interview where the boy-king tried to equate his giving up golf as a solidarity move toward military families - has beeen exposed as false. Not surprising.
May 15th, 2008 at 9:57 amHe gave up golf when his knees gave out. However, several times AFTER the date he gave as the day he put away his clubs, he was not only seen golfing, but cracked his usual lame jokes with reporters.
Bush: the Potemkin president — all facade, no substance.
All bushit, all the time.
Alecto, I stand corrected — yes, he is indeed a despot. A war criminal.
May 15th, 2008 at 9:58 amBobwurst Says:
Gee, gigi gets outed yesterday with another screen name and suddently it shows up as it’s old self, sputtering crap….
This gigi is posting its name in all caps, while the old gigi used lower case. I suspect this is a Pee clone namejacking the old gigi. This one is much less intelligent than the original
May 15th, 2008 at 9:59 amThis statement is a case of “he who doth protest too much”. With Prescott Bush’s (Grandpappy) ties to the Third Reich so well known, it’s obvious that Dumbo’s got “Nazis on his mind”.
May 15th, 2008 at 10:01 amIt’s not too late for a double impeachment. I’m all for it.
May 15th, 2008 at 10:05 am“Terrism” and our so-called “enemies” NEVER had a better friend than Dumbya. They’re not important to him in any kind of protect-the-country way (snicker), only for scaring the crap out of everybody and for securing vast amounts of dough for him and his friends.
Gawd, if only there was a butt plug for his f’n mouth!\
BU$HLER, you major fu(king assahola, SHUT.T.F. UP.
May 15th, 2008 at 10:07 amAnd we’ll all get tickets to watch the Bush/Hague/War Crimes Trials in 09! Bring it on!
May 15th, 2008 at 10:07 amImpeach him. Impeach cheney. Congress is appeasing war criminals right here, this century, today - bushcheney. Impeach them. Couple of weeks, they’re gone. Imagine, a solution!
May 15th, 2008 at 10:08 amGenghis Chimp, dancing & blithering to the Israelis.
Chimpster, you’re irrelevant now; even to your own party.
Get over it, get used to it, or just get out of our way…
May 15th, 2008 at 10:08 amOleHippieChick Says:
“Gawd, if only there was a butt plug for his f’n mouth!\”
Here ya go babe:
http://www.buysextoysonline.com.au/ devinn-lanes-mouth-ball-gag-p-1457.html
May 15th, 2008 at 10:09 amsatirev Says:
And we’ll all get tickets to watch the Bush/Hague/War Crimes Trials in 09! Bring it on!
Pay Pe view, gotta pay down the debt you know.
May 15th, 2008 at 10:10 amOne thing you can say for Bush:
He did deliver on his promise to move beyond “politics as usual.”
He just didn’t tell people the alternative he had in mind was “politics as pure evil.”
May 15th, 2008 at 10:10 amDoes anyone else find it ironic that a man whos own grandfather did business with Nazi Germany is accusing others of being appeasers?
May 15th, 2008 at 10:11 amnaturalmystic8 Says:
Does anyone else find it ironic that a man whos own grandfather did business with Nazi Germany is accusing others of being appeasers?
A little PROJECTION ya think?
May 15th, 2008 at 10:12 amI was going to post something logical and incisive. I cannot. I hate the god damned Republicans. They are filth, scum, traitors and indeed little Hitlers. We have got to understand that this is war. The Republiscum are a perversion of every moral value, principle and virtue that there is in this world. Fu*uck the Republicans. Round them up, put them in prison camps, water board them and eliminate the party. There will be no freedom or security for the United States until they are treat as the fascist bastards that they are.
May 15th, 2008 at 10:18 amJMOHR Says:
I was going to post something logical and incisive. I cannot. I hate the god damned Republicans. They are filth, scum, traitors and indeed little Hitlers. We have got to understand that this is war. The Republiscum are a perversion of every moral value, principle and virtue that there is in this world. Fu*uck the Republicans. Round them up, put them in prison camps, water board them and eliminate the party. There will be no freedom or security for the United States until they are treat as the fascist bastards that they are.
CORRECT….THEN HANG ALL THE MUDDFUGGERS
May 15th, 2008 at 10:19 amObama, and ALL the Democrats, need to point out:
1. Bush’s GRAMDFATHER laundered Nazi money, and had property seized by the US government for TRADING WITH THE ENEMY.
2. The Bin Ladens were LONG-TIME BUSINESS ASSOCIATES of the Bushes, including financing Nazi Jr.’s failed oil businesses.
3. Bush’s Saudi OIL BUDDIES are FINANCING the TERRORISTS.
A Nazi TERRORIST like Bush calling anyone else a Nazi/Terrorist appeaser is just the Nazi calling the Mussolini black…
May 15th, 2008 at 10:20 am__________
GSD Says:
It’s funny how this anecdote about the appeasing senator is repeated by rightwing nutholes over and over and they never mention the appeaser was a Republican.
-GSD
__________
You can’t conceive of disagreement between people in the same party?
May 15th, 2008 at 10:28 amBUSH: SHUT THE HELL UP!
your grandpa, PRESCOTT supplied HITLER & NAZI GERMANY with over HALF of their wartime iron….
YOU NEED TO SHUT THE HELL UP YOU GODDAMN TRAITOR!
May 15th, 2008 at 10:29 amWhen was the last time gg had an independent thought. OBL is alive today because of this president. Tell me gg, were you so upset when the next president of the United States stated he wouldn’t hesitate in a strategic bombing of AQ in Pakistan if Pakistan wouldn’t do the job? So what’s it going to be, is Obama an appeaser because he’ll talk to other countries that aren’t in our inner circle or is he the war monger willing to attack those who have attacked us?
May 15th, 2008 at 10:31 amJMOHR,
It is hard sometimes to suppress the loathing for the carrion eating buzzards and post something incisive, or at least make a point with sarcasm.
They truly are to be despised.
President Obama is the best chance we have to show the world that we are better than the fcking scum that has represented us for the last 7 years. First act of President Obama should be to apologize to the world for the criminal acts of Bush and say that a democracy isn’t perfect and can make mistakes.
Twice.
May 15th, 2008 at 10:33 amupright left, don’t you find it to be spineless not to mention the party in which this “Nazi appeaser” is belonging to? And if GWB is going to talk about Nazi appeasers then he had better be man enough to address dear old grampa.
May 15th, 2008 at 10:33 amFor a great article about Bubble Boy’s grandfather and his Nazi connections, please check out:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/ world/ 2004/ sep/ 25/ usa.secondworldwar
May 15th, 2008 at 10:35 amSo, tell us GG, what do you think of the crushing defeats handed to the GOP in three Congressional special elections? Please note that two of these districts were GOP strongholds, once considered unassailable. The GOP poured tons of money into these races and lost. The last race, in Mississippi, wasn’t even close.
So do you seriously believe that the GOP can hold its November losses to 20 House and 6 Senate seats? That is what the GOP leadership believes, but I think they are being way too optimistic. 30 in the House and 10 in the Senate is a real possibility.
Obama will be in the White House, the rule of law will be reestablished at the Justice Department, and the indictments against the Bush gang will begin to flow. Do you think the GOP can survive?
May 15th, 2008 at 10:35 am“First act of President Obama should be” to shout “ARREST THESE MEN”
May 15th, 2008 at 10:35 amIt’s a funnily stupid comparison, since it’s the Americans who are rolling in with tanks and occupying countries.
May 15th, 2008 at 10:36 amAs Democrats, yes, we can conceive of disagreements within a party.
You seem to miss the point that it’s the Republicans who try to use this one Senator (who died almost seventy years ago) to smear Democrats, without mentioning that he was, oh yeah, A REPUBLICAN.
May 15th, 2008 at 10:37 amDoes Bush really want to draw attention to the start of the Second World War? He obviously doesn’t know about the Gleiwitz Incident, one of the ways the Nazis justified the attack on Poland.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident
There are clear and distinct parallels between the actions of the Nazis then and Bush, Cheney, et. al. before the attack on Iraq.
May 15th, 2008 at 10:41 amChimpy must be referring to Ronnie Ray-gun as well. Seems that “The Great Communicator” met often with Soviet leaders (including Gorbachev) without requiring them to meet every U. S. demand first.
Why doesn’t a reporter ask the Bubble Boy if he is also denouncing Ronald Reagan when he labels such meetings as appeasement? Oh, that’s right. If the reporter wants to keep their job, they won’t ask questions that the self-designated “Decider” doesn’t want to answer.
May 15th, 2008 at 10:44 amCould it not be also said that Bush, Cheney, McCain et al are also ‘appeasers’ for meeting with and courting the favor of such as Hagee, Falwell and Parsley???
May 15th, 2008 at 10:45 am__________
hellinabucket Says:
upright left, don’t you find it to be spineless not to mention the party in which this “Nazi appeaser” is belonging to? And if GWB is going to talk about Nazi appeasers then he had better be man enough to address dear old grampa.
___________
What politician, or anyone else for that matter, regularly mentions the party affilition of people with whom they disagree? Wouldn’t you be suspicious of any politician who never disagrees with people simply because they belong to the same party? As for the ancestors, is anyone who had any racist relatives precluded from speaking out against racism? Aren’t we all allowed to form our own opinions regardless of party and the actions of our ancestors?
May 15th, 2008 at 10:45 amBush also took the opportunity to introduce the Gitmo work program to rehabilitate the ‘terrorists.’ It includes barracks, showers and even little motivational signs posted around the compound, like “Work Will Set You Free,” and “To Each His Own.”
George is very proud.
May 15th, 2008 at 10:46 amBush = Hitler
May 15th, 2008 at 10:48 amJohn Kerry cracks me up!
May 15th, 2008 at 10:49 amYale College is still dealing with the aftermath of its regretful decision in the 60s to admit the first chimp to major in History.
May 15th, 2008 at 10:50 amWhat politician, or anyone else for that matter, regularly mentions the party affilition of people with whom they disagree?
Um, just about everyone? Especially when they are making backhanded accusations towards their opponent.
Enough with the concern trolling. Bush is a tool and he’s showing how little he thinks of your intelligence with bs like this.
May 15th, 2008 at 10:51 amBush is an appeaser to Israel : we coddle, supply arms all in the name of a reckless foreign policy while our national economy & national spirit tank.
May 15th, 2008 at 10:53 am“John Kerry” = Nazi interloper trollshit
May 15th, 2008 at 10:53 am___________
ralph the wonder llama Says:
You seem to miss the point that it’s the Republicans who try to use this one Senator (who died almost seventy years ago) to smear Democrats, without mentioning that he was, oh yeah, A REPUBLICAN.
___________
The point isn’t the party. The point is the preferred action of the individual, talking to the enemy. I happen to agree with Obama in regard with talking to, not appeasing, Iran. But Bush simply pointed out the words of a person with whom he disagreed. His party is irrelevant unless you assume that every member of a party holds exactly the same view.
May 15th, 2008 at 10:55 amIn Speech Before Israeli Parliament, Bush Compares Democrats To Nazi-Appeasers
So true. The Democrats, even ater taking control of congress, have done nothing but appease and capitulate to the facist Republicans.
http://progressiveworldreview.com
May 15th, 2008 at 10:57 amWe can no more believe them on Iran than we can Iraq and WMD. Americans deserve real facts from a less prejudiced government.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:01 amThose in glass houses gg. Bush’s wealth and position is partially due to his grandfather. That same man was a known Nazi appeaser. GWB’s argument is weakened by this and that he’s never come out and discussed grampa (although there has been ample opportunities to do so).
GWB was playing to the crowd.
McCain, Feingold, Obama and Snowe to name a couple have spoken out against there own party and have mentioned this publicly. Bush either didn’t know or couldn’t be man enough to add that in his glass house speech.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:02 am_________
stryx Says:
What politician, or anyone else for that matter, regularly mentions the party affilition of people with whom they disagree?
Um, just about everyone? Especially when they are making backhanded accusations towards their opponent.
Enough with the concern trolling. Bush is a tool and he’s showing how little he thinks of your intelligence with bs like this.
__________
People don’t regularly note the party affiliation of those they quote outside of a campaign or speech that has party as it’s focus. Bush wasn’t campaigning. He was addressing a group of people who have a greater interest than you in the actions of Iran.
You really shouldn’t concern yourself with what others think of your intelligence.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:06 amWow. What a unitery deciderer.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:06 amYou drag us into an indefinite occupation of a middle east nation, then blame us for wanting to undo your colossal error?
Bite me.
53. John Kerry Says:
It’s so sad but George Bush’s comment is so true!!! All libs are anti American, racist, Marxist cowards and I’m just beginning!
Right, we should not appease the terrorists…we should do like bush did and pay them to not kill us!
‘Course that ain’t appeasement, that’s, er….the free market…yeah, that’s it…
May 15th, 2008 at 11:06 am#53 - John Kerry
You apparently misremembered to add that liberals also think for themselves…….don’t forget that now.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:06 amTodd,
What has all of the tough talk and military action by Bush resulted in?
Apparently the takeover of Gaza by Hamas, the takeover of Lebanon by Hezbollah and the rise of Ahmadinejad in Iran.
Supposedly the Iranians are also killing US soldiers in Iraq.
Wow, the extremists sure are on the run.
-GSD
May 15th, 2008 at 11:07 amYou got us real fired up here Georgie. You wanted a fight and now you’re gonna get it, you illiterate cracker of a criminal.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:08 amNow, what are the Democrats going to do? Will we see DNC ads on every television spot talking about the lies that were spewed forth by this president? Will we see the hypocrisy of his negotiations with N. Korea and Lybia or the statements of his own Sec. of Defense about opening negotiations with Iran exposed? Will we see this all tied to St. McCain? My guess is not.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:09 amIt truly is amazing how some trolls set themselves up as having superior intel than, say the IAEA.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:09 amWhat part of WORST PRESIDENT EVER do you idiot appeasers not get…what ever this puke says means you should do exactly the opposite..he has been wrong on every issue for 7 1/2 years and will continue to be wrong.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:10 amToddster, if you’re going to bash another poster, please quote them without MISSPELLING their words. Kriest.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:10 amJohn Kerry Says:
It’s so sad but George Bush’s comment is so true!!! All libs are anti American, racist, Marxist cowards and I’m just beginning!
And TRAITORS Bush, Cheney and the PNAC WAR CRIMINALS have committed TREASON against the USA, especially the Saudi OIL WHOREBAG Bush.
They need to be ARRESTED, TRIED, CONVICTED and
EXECUTED FOR TREASON by a US Army Firing Squad.
The penalty for TRAITORS in “wartime”.
And I’M JUST BEGINNING…
May 15th, 2008 at 11:11 amIt absolutely appalling to say the least, that a known war criminal is representing the United States.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:14 amHas our entire government no shame ?
For a Yale history major, that daddy-propelled white trash sure has no grasp of history. 0 IQ bastard hasn’t worked a day in his life.
This chimp hasn’t been a president, so why do we owe him a pension on top of his undeserved salary these last 8 years? Is there any way to yank it?
May 15th, 2008 at 11:14 amToddMcLauchlin, you do understand that there is an updated report stating that none of the IED’s and other weapons used by the insurgents have been shown to come from Iran. You do understand this?
May 15th, 2008 at 11:15 amIt appears that the RNC has located some bridge funding for the Troll Dept.
Maybe they’re using the leftover campaign cash from MS-01.
Oh, wait, they spent like 60% of their cash on hand to try to keep that seat, didn’t they? Ah well, probably got a grant from the Heritage Foundation or AEI.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:18 amToddMcLauchlin Says:
RUSerious: Every intelligence agency in the world believed Iraq had WMD.
another republican lie. The UN for instance believed that the didn’t know if Iraq had WMD. The French and Germany, and Russia said the same thing. the UN had weapons inspectors in Iraq looking for evidence of WMD when bush told them to leave becuase they weren’t doing their job. It was bush who pushed the lie and no one else.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:20 amLike school on the week end…..NO CLASS !!!
May 15th, 2008 at 11:21 amI love the sound of a swarm of sycophants in the morning. Their God Bush has been impugned and they wipe the smag from their lips and rise to defend him.
There may only be 7% in the USA who don’t think Bush lied to us to drag us into Bush’s War, but the true believers are all here this morning.
Get off your knees btches and stop worshipping at the altar of Bush.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:21 amGiGiII, read This
Then come back and tell us all about it.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:21 amG00D_G0LLY Says:
You really are like Nazis. Repeat a lie often enough and suddenly it becomes “Progressive Truth.” Now, the real facts:
Heh. “Facts”? Your link is to FoxNews, the propaganda wing of the Republican Party.
You want facts?
From the Guardian.
And from the BBC:
May 15th, 2008 at 11:21 amToddMcLauchlin Says:
“GSD:
You don’t think we have eliminated a lot of the threats through Iraq? The Sunnis have abandoned al Qaeda.”
There were no such threats prior to our invasion. An invasion on false pretenses, i might add.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:21 amToady ~ how does violating the Geneva convention and launching a pre-emptive war not a war crime?
May 15th, 2008 at 11:23 amSen. Borah was a great progressive — they had them in the GOP back in those days.
That said, the phenomena that Bush is alluding to was called “American Firsters” and led by such GOP luminaries as (disgraced) former President Herbert Hoover.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:23 amToddMcLauchlin Says:
How is Bush a war criminal
He attacked a sovereign nation without cause as defined by the Geneva Conventions.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:23 amHe has authorized torture as defined under the Geneva Conventions.
He has used the resources of an occupied country to rebuild that country which is illegal under the Geneva Conventions.
Fan of Man Says:
BUSH: SHUT THE HELL UP!
your grandpa, PRESCOTT supplied HITLER & NAZI GERMANY with over HALF of their wartime iron….
YOU NEED TO SHUT THE HELL UP YOU GODDAMN TRAITOR!
I propose KO’s words be applied every time chimpy opens his pie hole for the rest of his reign.
SHUT THE HELL UP!
May 15th, 2008 at 11:24 am99 gummitch, good work, same link as mine at 98…
May 15th, 2008 at 11:24 amHow is the Heritage Foundation or AEI any different from, say, the Daily Kos or MoveOn.org? Let’s face it people. We like organizations who support our points-of-view. That’s what really bothers me about this site. It seems that no one is rational in their opinions. The other side is always wrong, it is always ok to criticize for everything (like Bush golfing…come on!), and Iran is peace-loving country that harbors no ill will toward the U.S. and is not a threat to us or our allies. Hmmm? Come on…pick your battles and do so respectfully and out of a position of control and rationale. But to defend Iran. There are numerous reports out there from high-ranking officials of our military that confirm that Iran has been supplying IEDs to insurgents and these have been used against our troops. Can I pose an honest, hypothetical question: if Michael Moore told you something that contradicted our top-rankign military officials, who would you be more inclined to believe?
May 15th, 2008 at 11:26 amBobwurst: Absolutely not true. Russian, French, and German intelligence agencies believed Iraq had WMD. This included most of the Democrats. How do you reconcile this compilation of statements?
AS to your first comment. You’re either woefully misinformed or you’re a liar, or both.
As to your second point: The Democrats were operating using the doctored intelligence provided to them by bush. they were lied to, just like the rest of us.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:26 am“Al-Qaeda was fleeing to Iraq before the invasion. Zarqawi?”
had a tiny little training camp in an area not under Saddam’s control. Is that all you got?
May 15th, 2008 at 11:27 amI have been saying this all along. Democrats=Terrorism.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:27 amtodd
http://www.cbsnews.com/ stories/ 2008/ 05/ 09/ politics/ animal/ main4082928.shtml
May 15th, 2008 at 11:27 amG00D_G0LLY Says:
You really are like Nazis. Repeat a lie often enough and suddenly it becomes “Progressive Truth.” Now, the real facts:
“facts”? From Fox “news”?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Now, for the REAL FACTS from a British publication, the Guardian. The libel laws in England are MUCH HARSHER on journalists in England as opposed to the USA, where Fox “news” SUED FOR THE RIGHT TO LIE.
So if the BRITS were printing LIES, they would have been SUED. They have NOT been sued, so THESE are the FACTS:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/ world/ 2004/ sep/ 25/ usa.secondworldwar
Bush and Cheney are TRAITORS to the USA who deserve to be ARRESTED, TRIED, CONVICTED and EXECUTED for TREASON against the USA.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:27 amDaryll Says:
I have been saying this all along. Democrats=Terrorism.
And it’s further evidence that you’re a loon, Daryll.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:28 amhere’s another one Todd,
http://www.opednews.com/ articles/ genera_casmii_080515_us_confession_3a_weapo.htm
May 15th, 2008 at 11:28 am“are numerous reports out there from high-ranking officials of our military that confirm that Iran has been supplying IEDs to insurgents and these have been used against our troops.
Hmmm every one I’ve seen has been debunked. There’s no EVIDENCE anywhere, except these ‘pentagon experts’ word. Now where have I heard the term ‘pentagon experts’ lately??
May 15th, 2008 at 11:29 amComing from the likes of our XianManic Daryll, that’s quite a compliment.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:29 amDaryll the BLASPHEMER says:
I have been saying this all along. Democrats=Terrorism.
And Bush and Cheney are Nazi TRAITORS to this country, and Saudi TERRORIST SYMPATHIZERS who need to be TRIED, CONVICTED, and
EXECUTED for TREASON and TERRORISM against the USA.
As I have been saying ALL ALONG. Bush, Cheney=Nazi TERRORIST WAR CRIMINALS.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:30 amSo if Iranian involvement is ALLEGED, then isn’t the burden of proof on those making the allegation? Why do you take it as a given? Are you just a sucker?
May 15th, 2008 at 11:31 amToddMcLauchlin Says:
Exit Stage Left et al.
Is this how you conduct a civil dialogue on the left.
bush just got done questioning the patriotism of everyone who disagrees with him, even though his own grandfather acutally is a nazi sympathizer and appeaser. You come here and defend bush with the usual distortions and lies and and then snivel when someone isn’t civil to you. why aren’t you over there getting your legs blown off in Baghdad if that fight is so vital to our national security? The answer is that you are just one more right wing chicken hawk coward.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:31 amNote to toady: Out ‘military’ has been exposed as a blatant propaganda arm of the administration. Hadn’t you heard?
May 15th, 2008 at 11:31 amI don’t see a problem with him calling the Democrats Nazi Appeasers.
They’ve been appeasing Nazi Bush for years.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:32 amGot work to do, later.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:32 amOh, The Toddster… *chuckle*
May 15th, 2008 at 11:32 amIt’s the ultimate irony, isn’t it?
The biggest cause of terrorism and the actual Terrorist-in-Chief blathering on about peace and democracy - when he himself has been the biggest destroyer of both on the planet…?
But he’s too bloody effing STUPID to get that.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:32 amThomasMc - so sad and so true.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:33 amBobwurst
“why aren’t you over there getting your legs blown off in Baghdad if that fight is so vital to our national security? The answer is that you are just one more right wing chicken hawk coward.”
This is not civil.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:33 amThe Republicans support Israel because it will be the site of Armageddon - their favorite wish fulfillment.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:34 amToddMcLauchlin Says:
Exit Stage Left et al.
Is this how you conduct a civil dialogue on the left.
bush just got done questioning the patriotism of everyone who disagrees with him, even though his own grandfather acutally is a nazi sympathizer and appeaser. You come here and defend bush with the usual distortions and lies and and then snivel when someone isn’t civil to you. why aren’t you over there getting your legs blown off in Baghdad if that fight is so vital to our national security? The answer is that you are just one more right wing chicken hawk coward.
EXACTLY. The REAL Nazis are TRAITOR Bush and his TREASONOUS SUPPORTERS.
President Obama needs to ARREST Bush and Cheney and slap them in Gitmo until they DROP DEAD.
MAYBE from “swimming”!!
LOL!!!
May 15th, 2008 at 11:34 amindyjones Says:
Bobwurst
“why aren’t you over there getting your legs blown off in Baghdad if that fight is so vital to our national security? The answer is that you are just one more right wing chicken hawk coward.”
This is not civil.
And what’s your point? It wasn’t meant to be civil. It was meant to point out what a bunch of whiny hypocritical cowards you people are.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:36 amI don’t care if Prescott was an appeaser or just profited from his association with Nazi’s. Bush should surely acknowledge it. If we have to sustain the nearly constant barrage of how bad Obama’s reverend is then Grandad is fair game.
I’m still hunting to find those “reports” showing the weapons did come from Iran.
Any help?
May 15th, 2008 at 11:36 amAnd chances are that some of our great grandfathers owned slaves but that does not make me a racist, nor does it make you one. JUst because Bush’ grandfather had some associations with Nazis BEFORE their motives were clear to the world, doe snot mean he supported their agenda. This is ridiculous. Now Iran’s leader has stated that he believes the holocaust did not happen yet we defend him? Come on!
May 15th, 2008 at 11:37 amindyjones Says:
Bobwurst
“why aren’t you over there getting your legs blown off in Baghdad if that fight is so vital to our national security? The answer is that you are just one more right wing chicken hawk coward.”
This is not civil.
Too BAD, PUNK.
It is a VALID and APPROPRIATE as a question.
Invading a country by LYING, as TRAITOR Bush has done, is ALSO not “civil”.
Bush is a WAR CRIMINAL. If YOU support his LIES and WAR, go DIE for him, and let REAL Americans clean up YOUR mess…
May 15th, 2008 at 11:37 am#
ToddMcLauchlin Says:
Bush is as bad as the Nazis?
Actually, Bush wants to protect the Jews - as opposed to Jimmy Carter.
Yeah, negotiating a peace accord for the Isrealies was such a bad thing. It must really gall your rightwingers to know that Carter was a real Christian.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:39 amYes, Bush calling Democrats ‘Nazi-appeasers’ is so typical. He thinks he can frame the discussion, just as they did in 2004 with the ‘vote Democrat and the terrorists win’ bullshit. Bush is nothing more than a political animal who doesn’t care a whit about anything other than winning - elections, an argument, his way - with disastrous results.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:39 amHell,
I am hardly a coward, far from it. I engage in civil dialogue, based on reason, and have no need to hide behind name-calling. I also admit when I am wrong. But, no, I am not a coward and unless we ever meet face-to-face, I would not know if you are one.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:39 amAnd yes, I DO believe Bush is a War Criminal. The whole administration should be locked up.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:40 amAll, it is very easy to take a mob mentality when someone comes into your forum and expresses an opinion that differs from the popular sentiment. I have not been antagonistic nor have I been uncivil. But I have been called a punk and a coward. Let’s not resort to name calling but instead discuss these issues like intelginet adults. Agreed?
May 15th, 2008 at 11:43 amI am in no way shape or form defending Iran. Their leader is a nut job. I will not give this administration any free pass or leeway to start anything with their remaining time in office. They have proven to be unable to meet the challenge and to provide proper leadership.
Iran will need to be watched and we will need to be diligent. I will not sit idly by while GWB tries to whip up a new batch of fear.
You don’t go to war with soldiers alone. You bring your entire country. I’m not going to debate the rationale for being in Iraq but I will point out the execution has been the most dreadful waste of blood and treasure. This falls squarely on George W. Bush.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:43 amFunny and I misspell intelligent.!!!
May 15th, 2008 at 11:43 amToddMcLauchlin Says:
Well, those of you who rather believe your President is a War Criminial, and believe the propoganda that comes out of terrorist organizations, have a good day.
He ain’t MY “president”, PUNK.
Just an illegitimately selected TREASONOUS WAR CRIMINAL who will BURN IN HELL FOR ETERNITY for his GENOCIDE and LIES.
And since YOU support this Nazi TRAITOR to the USA, have a NICE ETERNITY with Bush and TRAITOR Ronnie Reagan, now DEAD and BURNING…
May 15th, 2008 at 11:43 amOT but I so wish to know?
May 15th, 2008 at 11:48 amDarryl why did you stop damning people to Hell and telling us about the things you imagined god telling you? You had that schtick down. Now your post are so bnoring and nonsensical. What do we have to do to get the old gay converting, prostitute healing, hunger striking for Huckabee Daryll back?
What does it mean when it says your comment is awaiting moderation?
May 15th, 2008 at 11:48 amWith all due respect Good Golly, just because someone says it’s from Iran doesn’t mean it is. Show the evidence of weapons flowing across the border and the involvement of the Iranian govt. in the process.
There will be no imminent fear or mushroom cloud making me jump.
The use of military force needs to be thought out carefully prior to using them. Once the lid is off all hell breaks loose and the results may not be to your liking.
I firmly believe in the fighting forces of the United States of America. I also firmly believe that a true democracy means to be involved. My involvement has shown this administration is careless. They aren’t capable of thinking the current problems thru let alone take on any new ones.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:51 amcaption contest: I ought to know what a Nazi appeaser looks like, after all, my grandpappy Prescott Bush was one.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:53 amHell,
I agree with your stance that the Bush Admin. has completely messed up the Iraq war as well as a host of other things. No dispute there. And I find the argument that we should not take on another war under GWB to be a good one. But I think the evidence is pretty clear that Iran has been supplying weapons to insurgents. But unless Iran attacks us on our soil, I do not want Bush to start another war. It is quite clear that he is not capable of managing it effectively.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:54 amGeeDubs; it means your post will be deleted. It happened to me several times.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:55 amWhy wouldn’t a major regional power attempt to influence events occurring in their region?
May 15th, 2008 at 11:59 amindyjones, I’ve been looking thru the OIF website and still can’t come up with any evidence showing there is a systematic effort by Iran to supply the insurgents. I’m not saying there isn’t any but just because 4 Iranian hand grenades are found in one cache doesn’t make it the “smoking gun”
The fields of Europe are still littered with the weapons of 2 world wars. That doesn’t mean Germany is supplying the Baath Separatists with weapons.
The military objective in Iraq had been completed a long time ago. Bush has squandered the peace that our military offered.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:00 pmdbadass,
I have no complaint with that argument. If I were them, I would certainly want to influence events, but I would also know that it would be with potential consequences. They know that, and do so anyway.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:01 pmHell,
With all due respect, what would you consider acceptable evidence?
May 15th, 2008 at 12:02 pmindyjones, (like the name by the way) Iran and Iraq had an eight year war prior to our first Gulf War. The presence of weapons in a country that has seen fighting for the last 20+ years is not alarming to me. War profiteering has gone on as long as there has been wars. What is being suggested but not confirmed is that the Iranian govt. is behind the distribution of weapons. The Iranian leader is worse off politically than GWB. Ironically they both have this idea that keeping the focus on the other will be good for them. Neither has majority support in their own country.
Just this week there has been an admission that some weapons found are not from Iran but had been reported earlier as so.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:12 pmI understand this, hell, but what I am asking is what would be evidence enough to convince you that Iran is supllying weapons to the insurgents? I can understand the speticism after the Iraq WMDs that were never found/existed.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:23 pmThe trolls must be so relieved to be back on the payroll again.
Lotsa ramen noodles the last few weeks, eh, boys?
May 15th, 2008 at 12:25 pmRalph,
Are you referring to me as a troll?
May 15th, 2008 at 12:30 pmAll I’m saying is, my advice is stay away from TGI Friday’s after five today. The trolls who have been called back to work will undoubtedly be in a frenzy spending their RNC paychecks on deep-fried apps.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:38 pmWe are ALL referring to you as a troll and flagging you. You are a spamming troll trying not to get kicked out of here. Every explanation you get isn’t good enough for you. You’re like talking to a two year old that keeps saying “why”.
Flag this troll and the rest of them. They’re stinking up the place.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:38 pmToddMcLauchlin Says:
“Lividlib: Again, not true. Al-Qaeda was fleeing to Iraq before the invasion. Zarqawi? Also, what country would you prefer we fight al Qaeda?”
How about countries with govts that actively collaborate and support al qaeda? Clearly, that was not the case with iraq (see Sept 11th Commission Report). As previously mentioned, Zarqawi was an insignificant presence in an area not controlled by saddam.
So, are the lives of 4000+ of our troops, tens if not hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians and half a trillion dollars a small price to pay to clean up the mess we created by invading a sovereign country under false pretenses? By some estimates we’re currently spending approx $4,250/second to continue funding the cheney/bush folly. That’s criminal!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:39 pmI don’t think they’ll have the money to go out ralph. They all probably owe their mommies’ back rent for stinking up the basement.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:39 pmGeorge W. Bush - destroyer of STRAW MEN!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:43 pmFunny how those so eager to make war having never put on a uniform out side of Taco Bell.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:44 pmShayne, you sweet naive kid. Since when does not having the money stop a right-winger from spending it?
May 15th, 2008 at 12:44 pm160. indyjones Says:
I understand this, hell, but what I am asking is what would be evidence enough to convince you that Iran is supllying weapons to the insurgents? I can understand the speticism after the Iraq WMDs that were never found/existed.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:45 pmWasn’t this quote from REPUBLICAN Senator Borah of Idaho? How inconviennt of Bush to leave this fact out?
May 15th, 2008 at 12:49 pmAll,
I can assure yuou that I am not a troll - not that I even know what a troll is. What I am, however, is a guy who is not content to shape my world view and political views on the information fed to me by the likes of Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity. I believe that if conservatives and liberals are truly going to get along and make “progress,” we all need to understand each other better and to respect each other’s viewpoints. I asked a serious questions Shayne, not like a 2-year old and wanted a solid answer. I am critical in my thinking. I question those things that (1) do not add up or (2) come from unreliable sources (I am not calling you folks unreliable) but questioning some of your sources. Just klike you would question mine if I were citing fox news and rush limbaugh. This is fair.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:52 pmAll,
I can assure yuou that I am not a troll - not that I even know what a troll is. What I am, however, is a guy who is not content to shape my world view and political views on the information fed to me by the likes of Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity. I believe that if conservatives and liberals are truly going to get along and make “progress,” we all need to understand each other better and to respect each other’s viewpoints. I asked a serious questions Shayne, not like a 2-year old and wanted a solid answer. I am critical in my thinking. I question those things that (1) do not add up or (2) come from unreliable sources (I am not calling you folks unreliable) but questioning some of your sources. Just klike you would question mine if I were citing fox news and rush limbaugh. This is fair.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:52 pmIf you don’t know what a troll is, how can you be so sure that you are not one?
Sheesh.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:58 pmBy the powers of inferrence. …. lol. The way the term was used in the sentence implied that I had a dishonorable agenda. That I do not have, Ralph.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:00 pmIndyjones, from your first post:
Look, that right there says a whole lot about what you do and do not know, or claim to know. You should probably start w/ looking into who and what the AEI is.
My unsolicited advice to you indyjones, is to spend a couple of months looking for some answers to your many questions at the library, or on teh google.
If you are honestly on the search for some semblance of truth you will find it.
Then, maybe you will understand why it is so difficult to remain “civil” w/ this
current crop of “conservatives.”
As far as misinformation and the trolls are concerned you might want to start here
May 15th, 2008 at 1:01 pm170. indyjones Says:
All,
I can assure yuou that I am not a troll - not that I even know what a troll is.
Then..how do you know if you’re not one?
What I am, however, is a guy who is not content to shape my world view and political views on the information fed to me by the likes of Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity.
..and yet, you’re parroting their (and bush’s) claims of Iranian involvement despite there being little or no conclusive proof. Why?
I believe that if conservatives and liberals are truly going to get along and make “progress,” we all need to understand each other better and to respect each other’s viewpoints.
How conciliatory of you..after the conservative vermin tried to literally shut-out every non-republican via the “K-Street project” and blanking out dem congressmen from important meetings throughout bush’s idiotic reign. Even denying dems meeting rooms. It’s predictable that a “conservative” would feign the olive branch ploy only after watching their majority melt away like dogsh*t in a hard rain.
I am critical in my thinking.
Not when you cite unsourced claims about Iran/Iraq collaboration. I’ve posted two separate expert sources (Pace and the Iraqi government spokesman.) You’ve supplied bupkis. Where’s your impartiality now?
May 15th, 2008 at 1:05 pmAlpuz3,
I am quite familiar with all the websites I mentioned in my post and there is virtually no difference between them - aside from agenda. And why are questions so bad? I asked for your opinions to see how they compare to mine. There are no “answers” only opinions. We should be able to discuss our opinions to understand where we might find common ground. You do want to find common ground, right? If not, we are hopeless
May 15th, 2008 at 1:06 pmhanshiro,
I have been very critical of Bush and believe he completely mishandled the war. I have also been open toyour opinions. But let’s be honest: we have several sources out there reporting conflicting reports. Who do i believe a top Iraqi official or one from the U.S.? Please do not attack me. I am on a search for truth. I have not come in and espoused hatred, have not disrespected anyone, and have tried to remain civil.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:12 pm(sigh) I probably shouldn’t go against my better instincts, but indyjones is putting up such a fuss about being here only for discussion and to “learn” that I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for the time being.
It must be admitted that his tone points to a higher-functioning troll — argumentative, dismissive, arrogant — but maybe that’s a personality flaw rather than a troll characteristic.
Let’s let him prove himself. I’m sure the truth will reveal itself in short order.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:12 pmWe should be able to discuss our opinions to understand where we might find common ground. You do want to find common ground, right? If not, we are hopeless.
Nope, no common ground with appeasers of war criminals. You might be hopeless, because you’re headed back to the political wilderness. We’re full of hope - for a day when republicans are again marginalized, for their unamerican beliefs.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:13 pmI disagree. So we can agree to disagree.
The tone and timing of your posts make me a bit suspicious as to your true intent. I also believe that you can get a pretty good read on people’s opinions by simply reading what they post. So with that being said, I’ll just sit back and see what happens.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:14 pmIs this the same George W. Bush whose grandfather, Prescott Bush, financed and laundered money for the Nazi Party through his bank, “Union Banking Corporation”, until the US Government seized UBC under the “Trading With the Enemy Act” on October 20, 1942?
http://www.geocities.com/bushfamilynazis/
May 15th, 2008 at 1:15 pmIndyjones - nice try. If it walks like a troll and talks like a troll, there’s a very good possibility that it IS a troll.
And as I pointed out to a few of your compadres yesterday, I think I can speak for most (if not all) of us when I say that we aren’t at all interested in sweet friendship with the fascist scum who have running America - nor with their sycophantic followers - over the last 8 years.
On the contrary, Indy, we are interested in bringing those criminals to justice - and locking them up forever as they so very richly deserve.
If you want to sing Kumbayah with fascists, fine. Have a nice time, but don’t expect us to join in.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:17 pmAnd as I pointed out to a few of your compadres yesterday, I think I can speak for most (if not all) of us when I say that we aren’t at all interested in sweet friendship with the fascist scum who have BEEN running America - nor with their sycophantic followers - over the last 8 years.
*muttering* Damn typos.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:18 pmRalph,
Argumentative, yes. But arrogant and dismissive I am not. In fact, arrognace is the one trait I most depsise in this world - it implies that one thinks he is better than another person, for whatever reason. I am not arrogant in the least. And Alpuz3, there is no question that you can get a read on a person’s opinions by reading what they post. And I have been quite upfront about those opinuions of mine that I feel strongly about. Why is that so bad? I ask any of you to read through my posts. I have also asked for information when your opinions do not align with mine, so that i can alter my thinking if the evidence suggests that I should. This not a bad thing…
May 15th, 2008 at 1:22 pmAnnie,
I do not even know what to say to you. I don’t know why am so hated. I did not do anything other than voice an opinion that does not agree with yours. I am not a fascist. In fact, most people consider me to be a pretty nice guy.