Lieberman On Bush Comparing Democrats To Nazi-Appeasers: ‘The President Got It Exactly Right’
Lieberman On Bush Comparing Democrats To Nazi-Appeasers: ‘The President Got It Exactly Right’
Delivering an address before the Israeli Knesset today, President Bush said that Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) and Democrats favor a policy of appeasement toward terrorists.
Obama quickly responding, criticizing Bush for using the “60th anniversary of Israel’s independence to launch a false political attack.” As MSNBC reported, Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT), a strong supporter of Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), has also now issued a statement, saying that he wholeheartedly agrees with Bush’s comments:
President Bush got it exactly right today when he warned about the threat of Iran and its terrorist proxies like Hamas and Hezbollah. It is imperative that we reject the flawed and naïve thinking that denies or dismisses the words of extremists and terrorists when they shout “Death to America” and “Death to Israel,” and that holds that — if only we were to sit down and negotiate with these killers — they would cease to threaten us. It is critical to our national security that our commander-in-chief is able to distinguish between America’s friends and America’s enemies, and not confuse the two.
Watch it:
In an interview with MSNBC, Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) sharply criticized both Bush and Lieberman, saying that the President should apologize to the public for politicizing the 60th anniversary of Israel:
What an irony to have the current president in Israel blasting Democrats from the Knessett when his policies have actually seen al Qaeda get strengthened. They have seen al Qaeda be reconstituted. They have seen al Qaeda get stronger, Hamas get stronger, Israel more threatened, Iran is stronger, and Iraq is in chaos.
This is a disgraceful statement by the President. It really is. He ought to apologize to the American people for going to Israel and using the Knesset and the celebration of the 60 anniversary of a state and a people that we all support and that we’re all proud of, and using it for politics.
Kerry also noted that if Bush is saying that he is against talks with Iran, then he should “come home and call for the resignation of his own cabinet, because the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense have both favored negotiations with Iran.”
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Predictably, Liebewitz (Independently stupid-CT) is the first right out of the bat to open his reich-wing yap.
You keep hiding behind the curtain of our party, you Nazi garbage.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:45 amJust when is Reid going to strip this fake Democrat of all his committee assignments? Lie-man should just go ahead and switch parties, since he is definitely no longer a Democrat.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:47 amCan't wait for a majority after November, so we can formally and publicly disown Joe.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:47 amI look forward to the day the Dem leadership shows his lying, traitorous ass to the door. What an irrelevant little man he will be by this time next year.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:47 amThe reich wing is afraid, very afraid. The desperate campaign begins today, full-speed, coinciding with Edwards' endorsement of Obama making it all but official his candidacy. Hillary's departure is a mere formality at this point.
The propaganda begins, and the greatest of progressive intellectual fighters are being called to the battlefield.
You're going to wish it 2004, reich nuts.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:49 amWho are people going to believe? Bush and his criminal cronies who have been lying about everything and been wrong about everything for the last eight years? Or Obama who has been very specific about his policies?
May 15th, 2008 at 11:49 amWhy is Bush (and his gutless supporters) so frightened to sit down and, eye to eye, discuss reality with those we have disagreements with?
We look like the biggest pussies in the world - that is, after everyone is done laughing and pointing at us.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:51 amThe people of Connecticut need to do something about their Senator.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:53 amYeah let's threaten violence to counter their threats. WTH?
Excuse me, when has Iran invaded another country? They've got a lot of hate, but as far as I know that doesn't violate any law.
So it's okay when Americans shout "Death to Iran!" or at least that message in different words? Have you heard some of these "preachers?" We seem to be threatening them more than they threaten a nuclear Israel.
USA! USA!
May 15th, 2008 at 11:55 amI cannot wait until '09 when we have a solid Dem majority with or without Liebercrap. I sincerely hope that when Reid strips him of all his privileges he makes it as memorable and public as it is devastating.
I want to see Joe Lieberman CRY.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:55 amFreedoms on the march....usa uber alles....The Nazis I see represent the GOP. The American people are not in the mood to appease them either.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:55 amFeckless, useless, worthless, ball-less, hapless Harry's already promised Loserman (I-Judea) he'll keep all his perqs, committee posts, and his Chair. Happened some weeks ago. Mostly unremarked at the time.
What Reid SHOULD do is:
May 15th, 2008 at 11:55 am1) Remove Holy Joe from all committee posts, including his Chair.
2) Remove him from the caucus information loop; revoke his password, and seize his fuuking computer.
3) Refuse to fund his office, other than Constitutionally guaranteed franking privileges (and give him one 13-cent stamp for that).
4) Move his desk into his Senate Office Building (SOB--one of the most apt abbreviations in all of DC) parking spot, and his parking spot into the fuuking street, with a fuuking meter and a fuuking mean, anti-semitic cop standing by.
bush with his cowboy tactics have cost 4078 lives, untold lives of innocent Iraqis, and put this country in financial ruin. And we should continue this failed policy ? All but the dimmest bulbs know when to change.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:56 amThe only possible reason that the Dem 'leadership' [sic] tolerates this clown, AND allows him chairmanship and committee assignments is that they are either cowards or the silent partners of the Reich.
Reid and Pelosi MUST go if we are to save this country.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:57 amCan't the good people of Connecticut hold a special election to replace their Senator who has now fully become the sole official Congressional representative to the State of Israel?
May 15th, 2008 at 11:57 amOh I hope they keep up this moronic attack. This type of idiocy has worked SO well in the 3 special elections so far.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:57 amLet Liebermann keep spewing his anti-American garbage, more conservatives will be sick of it by November.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:57 amjew LIEberman, the good senator from israel needs to shut the hell up.
yank his chair reid.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:57 amAnd make no mistake, I really dislike Iran. It is one of those countries with leadership like cancer... however, one does not go after cancer in the body with a freakin' CHAINSAW like it would end up being. More civilian deaths, economic ruin...
Until the military eliminates our unaccountable, state-sponsored militias in Blackwater, et al then weapons will NEVER be the solution (other than for their coffers).
May 15th, 2008 at 11:58 amI so look forward to the Nov. 4th election when we can be rid of both Mr. Bush as president and Mr. Lieberman as chairman of an important committee.
The senate democrats should have kicked Lieberman out of his chairmanship months ago when he chose to support the republicans in numerous areas. After the election when we have several more democratic senators we will no longer need Mr. Lieberman's half-hearted support.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:58 amTokin,
Reid only said that because the Dems have to placate this a$$hole until after November because if he officially defects to the GOP the Dems lose their very slim majority. Reid's thoughts on Holy Joe have undergone a slight correction of late:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/05/14/liebermans-antics-do-not-go-by-unnoticed-by-dem-leadership/
Enjoy. Hopefully Reid's not full of crap on this one...
May 15th, 2008 at 11:59 amBush says;
I ought to know what a Nazi appeaser looks like, after all my grandpappy Prescott Bush was one.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:59 am@#8, okidog Says:
Why is Bush (and his gutless supporters) so frightened to sit down and, eye to eye, discuss reality with those we have disagreements with?
Because bullies don't negotiate. They intimidate.
aWol's a bully, as are all the rest of the thugs, slugs, and punks with whom he and ultra-bully Darth Cheney have surrounded themselves.
And they'll walk, cuz Murkins--way down deep in their frightfully insecure little hearts--are (or lately at least have become) the world's Super-Bully...
May 15th, 2008 at 12:01 pmUsually I don't comment on this piece of garbage. But he's finally crossed the line, as far as I'm concerned.Time to drage the trash to the curb.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:01 pmtake care tony and guidedog Lido
drag
May 15th, 2008 at 12:01 pmOnce again, thanks Connecticut.
Thanks to Kerry for the quick retort.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:04 pmZell Lieberman.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:04 pmOnly a Democratic President and Democratic majority in Congress will make it feasible to dump Lieberman. Right now, unfortunately, he is still needed to advance other Democratic agenda items. He is going to be an increasing irritant as he supports McCain's campaign, but on January 20, 2009 I would expect that he will be stripped of his leadership positions and set on the curb.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:06 pmI can see bombing Iran as long as we do it with Lieberman as a kamikaze pilot. Hopefully he flies the plane as badly as McCain did when he was in the Navy.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:07 pmNikita Kruschev said "we will bury you" and oversaw the development of Soviet ICBMs, which he later installed in Cuba. Leonid Brezhnev ran the show at a time that Russian-made SAM missiles killed many US Air Force personnel over North Vietnam, and Russian and Chinese military assistance was critical in sustaining both the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong during the Vietnam War. Mao Tse-Tung sent hundreds of thousands of Chinese troops into Korea to help kill thousands of American servicemen in Korea, and routinely threatened the U.S. in public pronouncements.
Considering that Presidents Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon all held summit conferences if not extended negotiations with these Communist rulers directly responsible for the deaths of thousands of American soldiers, then by Bush and Lieberman's standards all of them were traitorous appeasers. I would include Reagan in this list, since he held meetings with Gorbachev at a time when thousands of Soviet nuclear warheads were targeted at the U.S.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:07 pmor To Zell with Lieberman?
May 15th, 2008 at 12:07 pm"Delivering an address before the Israeli Knesset today, President Bush said that Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) and Democrats favor a policy of appeasement toward terrorists."
Small problem - he never said Barack Obama or Democrat. CNN inferred this, now it is reported as though he said words he didn't say. Details, details.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:07 pmIran was not anti-American until bush labeled them part of the axis of evil that is when they allowed Mr. Dinner Jacket in power. So, lets put the blame where it belongs.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:08 pmSo instead of any kind of talks let's go in to the Middle East and render the region as chaotic as we have made the country of Iraq. After 5 years we have done nothing to make Iraq or the region any safer or more democratic.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:10 pmMe thinks that Lying Joe is kissing someone's butt and trying to weasel in a Vice President slot for himself.
This is going to be just part of their Swiftboating of Obama, next will be the muslim thing, then pointing out that he is Black, not just half white, but all Black and that all Black's hate America. Their lies know no bounds.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:11 pmIt's only a matter of months before Ole Joe gets that atomic wedgie he deserves. I hope it's Webb who administers it.
I don't think I've actually come across such an arrogant prick in public... ever.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:11 pm-Wikipedia
I dont know HOW Nazism figures into this, it doesnt as Israel didnt exist at the time, but history shows that the GOP supplied Iran with weapons, and wanted closer ties with, and not the democrats.
So who is the Iranian appeasers? The ones who attack others with their weakness!!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:12 pmBecause bullies don’t negotiate. They intimidate.
And ain't it convenient, tl, that when it's time to "ante up" for the bullies actions and words, they're nowhere to be seen, leaving someone else to clean up the mess and pay the price?
F***ing scumbags.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:12 pmJust one more Senate seat this November and we can finally be rid of Lie-bernutjob once and for all. We're doing our part in Virginia -- we're likely going to replace our retiring Sen. John Warner (R-VA) with our former governor and next US Senatory Mark Warner (D-VA). That should do the trick...
And then Lieber-chutzpah can go to Israel and open up an illegal settlement or something...
May 15th, 2008 at 12:13 pmSitting down with other governments is not appeasement. It is called diplomacy. Doesn't mean give in, it means working together for a common means, like NOT BLOWING UP THE WORLD. Clinton knew how to do it, bush with maniac cheney hasn't a clue. bush has created more hatred toward Americans than ever before. Wake up you 28%ers.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:15 pmI must admit that I felt similarly about Hagel when he came out and was extremely critical of the president. You know: we have elections to win and it does not help when one of our own breaks rank. I don't know what to believe about this Iram-Israel / Isamic Jihad issue. It is so complex and unnerving. I do know that there are groups of people out there that would like nothing more than for the United States (to include you and me and our children) to be completely obliterated. I cannot say I wish the same on them. And these sentiments they hold are deep and did not emerge after Bush was elected. They have been there for a long time and whether the U.S. had mishandled foreign policy or what not, those feelings are still there and will be for a long time. I don't know ...I really don't. I don't know if the Islamic radicals are the modern day equivalent of nazis, nor do I know how big of a threat they really are.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:16 pmThis proves exactly what I have been saying about Lieberman all along. He puts his religion first and country second. For any politician of either party to suggest that these comments were right is just wrong. I'm sorry, but this statement stupid and anyone who supports it must apoligize.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:18 pmalpuz3 Says:
I don’t think I’ve actually come across such an arrogant prick in public… ever.
I nominate asswipe cheney. Maybe a steel-cage match to decide the most arrogant prick. Oh wait. They're both chickensh!t pu$$ies. Never mind.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:19 pm"..we’re likely going to replace our retiring Sen. John Warner (R-VA) with our former governor and next US Senator Mark Warner (D-VA).
This is a case where the voting rightwingnut's ignorance and stupidity actually is a plus:
You know damn well there will be thousands voting for Mark, thinking it's still John.
Works for me, for VA and for the nation.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:19 pmAll that's needed is Mark Warner winning election to the Senate and they can kick his tail to the curb. Hope you enjoyed your Chairmanship while it lasted.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:19 pmAgreed, Keltoi. CNN's report is false.
You gotta admire Holy Joe's timing, huh? Tie yourself politically to a failed president as he's about to limp off into the sunset, and betray your own party just as it's poised to register its most resounding victory in seventy years.
That's a pile of judgment LIEberman is exhibiting these days.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:19 pmI don't know why Bush isn't smart enough to sit down and engage in diplomatic relations with our enemies. It seems to me that he must like the fact that 3 out of every 4 americans do not like him or the job he is doing. If he had just sat down with other world leaders and let diplomacy run its course, he quite possibly could have gone down as one of the greatest presdients we ever had.
It is much more complicated than that...
May 15th, 2008 at 12:20 pmtexaslady is right. And might I add that sitting down and talking with the leader of another country gives an opportunity to point blank, with the appropriate verbal and body language, let that leader know that his or her country's actions are unacceptable and not going to be tolerated.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:22 pmHE IS NOT "OUR COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF DAMNIT".
It's way past time for Reid to strip this guy down to his shorts.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:22 pmI find it ironic that Bush is worried about terrorists, but not where Osama is.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:23 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
You gotta admire Holy Joe’s timing, huh? Tie yourself politically to a failed president as he’s about to limp off into the sunset, and betray your own party just as it’s poised to register its most resounding victory in seventy years.
That’s a pile of judgment LIEberman is exhibiting these days.
Excellent point. He's exhibiting the judgement/good sense that would make for an apropos keynote speech at the republican memorial service...err...I mean convention.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:24 pm#33
Small problem - he never said Barack Obama or Democrat. CNN inferred this, now it is reported as though he said words he didn’t say. Details, details.
"White House aides are acknowledging that this was a reference to the fact that Sen. Obama and other Democrats have publicly said that it would be ok for the U.S. President to meet with leaders like the Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmedinejad."
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/15/bush-obama-nazi-appeaser/
May 15th, 2008 at 12:26 pmIf Lieberman had balls he would be on the front line in Iraq or in Pakistan looking for Osama instead of engaging in more war mongering John Kerry.
I find not looking for Osama is a form of, a policy of appeasement by Casa Blanca
May 15th, 2008 at 12:27 pmI cannot believe I voted for a Presidential ticket that had this fascist liar on the ticket in 2000. What the hell were we thinking?
May 15th, 2008 at 12:28 pm“White House aides are acknowledging that this was a reference to the fact that Sen. Obama and other Democrats have publicly said that it would be ok for the U.S. President to meet with leaders like the Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmedinejad.”
Now, isnt it peculiar that Maliki met with Ahmedinejad and it was apparently okay with Los Pinos?
WTF?
May 15th, 2008 at 12:29 pmHow many here really believe that Bush does not want to find OBL? I can guarantee that he does not enjoy being constantly criticized - who would? If he were to find OBL it would not only provide the party a boost heading into the elections but it would soften what would otherwise be a potentially damning legacy.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:29 pmKeltoi Says:
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“Delivering an address before the Israeli Knesset today, President Bush said that Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) and Democrats favor a policy of appeasement toward terrorists.”
Small problem - he never said Barack Obama or Democrat. CNN inferred this, now it is reported as though he said words he didn’t say. Details, details.
The other problem is that in the news his very own Secretary of Defense proposed negotiations yesterday. Dubya and his 28%ers are morons and haters.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:31 pmHey Joe! Go file your documents declaring yourself a lobbyist for Israel.
Hey Joe! Whatcha doin with that nuke in your hand! Goin down to Iran, gonna blow em all away I am!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:32 pmindy - bush has had 3 chances to capture OBL and refused to let the military do the job. The latest was late last year, OBL was in the sight of a armed drone and could have been taken out. bush needs OBL and also doesn't want to offend his Arab daddies by killing one of their own.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:32 pmCount off!
ONE.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:32 pmHow many here really believe that Bush does not want to find OBL?
Umm, he said he doesn't think about him much, doesn't really care... Are you calling Bush a liar?
May 15th, 2008 at 12:33 pmindy - also bush gives a flying fig about "the party" or he wouldn't have made the word republican a dirty word.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:34 pmTWO!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:34 pmI will be honest. I am not fmailiar with the three instances of which you speak but I will certainly do saome research on this. Any help would be appreciated. I will be honest with you. I find it hard to believe that our President would pass on the opportunity to detain/kill OBL.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:36 pmHow about the dinner scene with bush looking under tables and chairs for OBL pretending to try and find him. bush could care less about OBL he just needed and excuse to go to war.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:36 pmRUCerious,
easy. let's stay civil.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:37 pmTWO.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:37 pmOopsie....THREE :)~
May 15th, 2008 at 12:37 pmindy where have you been the last 8 years ? No newspapers, no media such as it is ? Do a little googling.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:38 pm@#22,liberal traitor Says: ...Enjoy. Hopefully Reid’s not full of crap on this one…
Sez I: You've got something other than Hope to go on, right? right? RIGHT????
May 15th, 2008 at 12:38 pmThem googles is hard work.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:38 pmCan the two adults in this house say THREE AND FOUR ?
May 15th, 2008 at 12:39 pmAnother question: how many of you believe in the 9/11 conspiracy theory that 9/11 was coordinated by the Bush administration?
May 15th, 2008 at 12:39 pmDiplomacy is the right avenue most of the time. But, at some point diplomacy doesn't provide any benefit, and only provides legitimacy to those with ill intentions. It helps them.
Think about trying to negotiate with Adolf Hitler. What could you have said to him to get him to alter his plans or views? Nothing. He was intent on what he wanted to do. By trying to negotiate with him, it only made him appear more legitimate and it postponed inevitable confrontations and allowed him more time to gain strenghth. Appeasement was the wrong avenue with Hitler. Whether appeasement is the right avenue with the Iranian president or with Hamas, is debatable, but it's important to consider the ramifications. It's naive to think that negotiation will always work. There should be some consideration as to whether we should be talking with those that promote the extermination of Israel or whether we should staunchly, and unequivocally oppose them.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:39 pmFOUR!
And HoosierJones, where am I not being civil?
May 15th, 2008 at 12:39 pmTexaslady - no...have not heard anything of it. would appreciate any reliable information on this that links Bush.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:41 pmIMHO, Osama's dead...probably a LONG time...4 or 5 years, at least. Where do you hide a 6'5" Arab who requires dialysis? Nah, his bones are entombed in Tora Bora, or somewhere in the Paki tribal lands. That's what Benazir Bhutto claimed, about a week before she was assassinated....
May 15th, 2008 at 12:41 pmAre You Serious,
Just your tone when asking whether I was calling Bush a liar. Sorry if I misinterpreted your tone.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:42 pmindyjones. I think there is some information about us knowing that Osama was in tora bora. But, we failed to get him. I don't see it that Bush didn't want to get him, only failed to get him.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:43 pmIt seems to me the appeasement came in when the world appeased the war criminal bush and his preventitive illegal invasion of Iraq.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:44 pmthree
Bush is too busy trying to destroy the angry, anti-American, God-hating, stalinisthitleriansocialfasciocommunist, good-for-nothing, appeasing, homocentric liberals. He hasn't got time or resources to get Osama. Besides, he can go after Obama - only one letter difference and he doesn't have to leave the U.S.
/snark off
May 15th, 2008 at 12:44 pmBackup,
Failing to get him and not wanting to get him are two different things. I am curious now as to whether Bush really wanted to get him or, if he had the opportunity to get him, if he would seize the opportunity.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:45 pmSorry backup but the ground troops were held back at ToraBora even when the Generals were pressing to go in. That allowed OBL to escape.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:46 pmBush, I think, needs to get his priorities in order. It was Al Qaeda that attacked America and he has wandered into Afghanistan and Iraq and now Iran going after people who are not Osama. From What I read Al Qaeda is now in Pakistan, not Iran.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:46 pmThis is from TPs own link:
CNN’s Ed Henry reported that, while “President Bush never uttered the words Barack Obama,” his White House sources tell him it was clearly intended to be a partisan shot:
And this it the top of this thread:
Delivering an address before the Israeli Knesset today, President Bush said that Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) and Democrats favor a policy of appeasement toward terrorists.
TP is contradicting itself is all I am saying. Change "said" to "infered" and it would be factually accurate.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:47 pmOK, make mine three hundred. I gotta learn to type faster.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:47 pmHoosierJones, nah, I was just teasing ya!
May 15th, 2008 at 12:48 pmindy do your research yourself...or try a IRAQ VET AGAINST WAR site they can let you know how well Lieberman/bush policy is going.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:48 pmBin Laden, like Emmanual Goldstein continues to provide the eternal enemy that the neocons hold up as the boogeyman to scare us childrens.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:49 pmThe politics of appeasement destroy us all.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:51 pmKeltoi we all know who your boy is referring to doesn't take much to connect the dots. But I guess you repubs have to grab at any straw when the ship is sinking.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:53 pmLieberman - "they would cease to threaten us."
No one says the threat would cease. How will nothing but bombs cease the threat? Cease?
Diplomacy 101. Lieberman and his like minded just do not understand that you'll get more info over a game of chess or a garden than from the end of a gun or barking dog or naked pyramid or electrocution or water boarding. History shows us this.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:54 pmWhy do I think Bush doesn't want to get OBL?
Two ways to answer that question. The first is why did I reach that assessment. The answer to that is because, despite all his "gonna git 'em" rhetoric, Bush has done almost nothing to actually pursue bin Laden. And he admitted as much in 2002.
Now, the second way to look at the question is what reasonable explanation could I give for this lack of concern? The answer to that is bin Laden has been far more valuable to Bush as a Boogeyman than he would have been as a captive or a victim.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:54 pmJT just who will be left if every country decides to do as America has done with bush/cheney's agenda ?
May 15th, 2008 at 12:55 pmHey Dems and/or all Americans - Hague or impeach, don't appease.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:57 pmTexas lady,
I was just asking in the event that someone could guide me to a solid source. I am sorry if you took that as an order. I certainly did not intend for it to come off this way. If anyone can lead me to this infromation, I would be much appreciative.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:58 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
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Why do I think Bush doesn’t want to get OBL?
Bin Laden was never charged for 911. Are you saying bring him in for Cole and Kenya, etc? He was never charged for 911.
May 15th, 2008 at 12:59 pmWhat Reid SHOULD do is:
1) Remove Holy Joe from all committee posts, including his Chair.
2) Remove him from the caucus information loop; revoke his password, and seize his fuuking computer.
Number 2 is very important. Right now Lieberman should be considered to be the enemy. So why are we caucusing with the enemy giving him information he can take to the Republicans to be used against the Democrats?
Come on Reid, kick Lieberman to the curb. The only reason why Lieberman has not voluntarily left to become a Republican is that he will be low man on the totem pole in that party and will not have any plum committee assignments like Homeland Security.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:01 pmI have the solution!!!
Let's bomb Iran with Lieberman. We'll strap him to the bottom of a B1, find an unpopulated area and release him at 10,000 feet.
There are 70 million human beings in Iran, Joe. Only reptiles talk the way you do.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:02 pmNot really sure what your point was, but what I was saying was that Bush said he would get bin Laden "Dead or Alive" but never showed much real enthusiasm for the task. To me, this makes sense if you recognize that Bush, like most authoritarians, likes to have an identifiable villain on whom to project his fears and anxieties. Bin Laden served this purpose very well for Bush. Whether OBL had anything to do with 9/11 or not is immaterial. After all, Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11 and look what happened to him.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:05 pmindyjones Says:
RUCerious,
easy. let’s stay civil.
You keep saying this.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:06 pmindyjones Says:
Another question: how many of you believe in the 9/11 conspiracy theory that 9/11 was coordinated by the Bush administration?
I don't believe that it was coordinated by the Bush Crime Family. I do believe that they knew it was going to happen and they let it happen because they realized what a political gift it would be to the Administration. And that is unforgivable.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:07 pmindy how many more places do you want ? Take some time and go to a near VA hospital talk with the guys who were there. Ask them what they think of lieberman/bush/cheney policy.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:09 pmAsk them how they felt at 19, 21 to learn to walk again. See if your vote in November is worth another American life.
Lieberman's words are despicable.
'It is imperative that we reject the flawed and naïve thinking that denies or dismisses the words of extremists and terrorists when they shout “Death to America” and “Death to Israel,” and that holds that — if only we were to sit down and negotiate with these killers — they would cease to threaten us.'
1) But apparently it's okay for ignorant Americans to yell, "Bomb Iran!" or as they used to say in the 80's "Nuke Iran!"
2) I very much doubt that most people who favor opening up some kind of dialogue with those who agitate against us think that by doing so it would eliminate ALL threats. We're not that naive. But a lessening of those threats would be good thing, no?
Lieberman falses asserts that it's got to be this or that. It's a 3-D world out there Joe!
May 15th, 2008 at 1:09 pm104 - I agree ! Richard Clark said bush group were too incompetent but too many coincidences came together in one day, and in every crime look who benefits. The famous video of OBL taking credit, was discredited by our FBI.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:13 pmralph the wonder llama, Nice clarification. I was on a tangaent. An ttempt to Reinforce the point you made that no matter what OBL may or may not have done, it doesn't matter. He is boogeyman du jour.
Really must suck now Russia is no longer feared and we do to much trade with China to paint them. So it has to boil down to 1 guy in a cave. The boogeyman makers laugh their asses off at the many people who give them support. Sad for everyone. Like yelling fire in the theatre of the American Psyche.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:14 pmTexas Lady,
I know several soldiers who have fought in Iraq, some have even enlisted for additoonal terms. Others do not agree with the war. Not too different from alot of the peopkle i meet who have not fought in Iraq.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:15 pmWhy doesn`t he just come out of the closet and say he is a RE-PUKE and get it over with, he just can`t stop his neocon boot-licking of the Reich and his PANDERING to McWars.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:21 pmWould never accuse anyone of anything. The only thing is someone(s) did something. The investigative process we were served is a clear sham riddled with conflict of interest, omitted testimony and testimony without oath, ad infitidum.
Start by looking into the folks at the Pentagon. They have not released the videos of the attack. We could cut to the chase with these videos. The s**t will hit the fan when this happens.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:22 pmDidn`t Ike have a little chit chat with Stalin,didn`t Nixon talk to China and didn`t Reagan sit down with Gorbechov and Dubya sat down with who?????????????
May 15th, 2008 at 1:25 pmDiplomacy works with everyone but the SHRUB, this chimp is a walking contradiction and not to mention a corrupt SOB!!!
Bush has no idea what War Policy is and is just sucking up to Isreal. Now as for Senator Obama's comment on Iran, one can only think of the Scorpion/Turtle. Yes Obama has great ideas but he's not experienced enough to know the game of the players. He is no John Kennedy as Jack knew when to move and when to close. Obama has to understand the Middle East Leaders know more about the United States of America then Americans and the Law Makers. They have studied this country from it's beginnings and watched our former Law Makers for many many years. This isn't a learn of the job position. Now if Obama is elected he might want to let John Kerry be President with Foreign Affairs issues as he's directing him now. Look when all hell breaks loose Obama can always call Hillary Clinton to clean it up as she is best qualified in that area as well as Health Care, Economy and Military. It's always good for a President to have a real President to help. I expect we'll see Bill Clinton back as Bush needed his help. Yes Obama will fall on his face and call the Clinton's to help clean up the mess he made. As we see how Law Makers back stab each other it will be funny to see how many current Obama supporters turn on his when he brings America to it's second Great Depression.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:27 pmHug - read the story of the 911 widows and what they went through just to get an investigation. How they were treated was dispicable by the White House and a slimy pundit who shall be nameless but has a large, large adams apple.
All government crimes are covered up starting with Pearl Harbor but at least they pretend to look into the crime. bush didn't even try to pretend and then had to take cheney with him and no notes taken and no oath taken. GOOD GRIEF !
May 15th, 2008 at 1:29 pm.
The only explaination the Republicans are left as a viable political party in the USA is because the Democrats ARE Nazi appeasers. That makes the Loyal Republicans the Nazis.
Is that what Joe LIARman wants? To be the Nazi to my appeasment?
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May 15th, 2008 at 1:30 pmPerhaps the street fighter Edwards will be allowed to help Obama in the learning curve...at least Obama is smart enough to hire good help not just incompetent cronies.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:31 pmIt is uncommon for a head of a state visiting another country to inject local politics in his visit to that country to score points...
May 15th, 2008 at 1:32 pmIt is rare...
I never heard of any foreign leader visiting USA attacks another party in his own country on US soil...it is not a good practice.Bush attacking democrats in another country is rather unusual...
But for people like Lieberman..it is 'ok' as long as we are going to bomb another Arab or Moslem country...
All rules can broken...
lieberman just wants a spot in the limelight any limelight will do. The Dems have shunned him so what is left but McCain.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:32 pmBut Bush and Rape Gurney Joe don't see Israel as "another country". That's the problem. They see it as the 51st state.
May 15th, 2008 at 1:37 pmI've lost count, but you can most definitely add me to the list of people who believe that Chimpy NEVER really wanted to/intended to capture OBL.
Why would he? Osama bin Laden - aside from the Bin Ladens being his family's best business partners - has been the best boogeyman EVER for the Repukes, the source of their power, their path to the presidency and their rationale for the most profitable war ever.
Jebus, that'd be like killing the hen that laid all those golden eggs.
Indy, that was a very stupid question. *eyeroll*
May 15th, 2008 at 1:40 pmAnd as for that stupid evil old slag LIEberman, I repeat that kicking him square in the nuts is very high on my wish list.
And I have a perfect pair of pointy-toed Tony Lama cowboy boots to wear on that auspicious occasion!
May 15th, 2008 at 1:42 pmTwo things might happen before November - Osama bin Laden will be found - a bump for the Republicans...or another terrorist attack will take place...which according to Rummy would be what is needed - again, another 'win' for the Republicans. Will it actually change the outcome of the election?
May 15th, 2008 at 1:50 pmLieberman should become McCain's Rev. Wright. We must do the following:
1. Put out both candidates and all senior leaders attacking Bush for his use of the speech to the Kinesit as a violation of protocol that actually threatens the ability of the United States to conduct an effective foreign policy. Also note that not only was it blatantly partisan but also false because the Secretary of State and Secretary of DoD have also noted the necessity of talks with Iran. It is also false because the Bush administration has held direct talks with N. Korea and Lybia. Such transparent lies for political purposes undermines what little credibility that Bush has left with world leaders.
2. Demand that McCain denounce the statements and the forum in which they were made. Ridicule McCain for poor leadership since he is the presumptive nominee and does not have any leadership authority over those in his own party. Suggest that he may end up like Dole, spokesman for Viagra, a cure for impotence.
3. Attack McCain for having a close friend and adviser in Lieberman. Attack Lieberman for bringing bitter partisanship into the election and failing to have the policy insight or foreign policy experience to recognize the damage being done by the president making blatant political attacks against a candidate in the US elections before a foreign legislative body. Equate Lieberman and President as the equivalent to Rev. Wright. Note how McBush already has problems with Hagee and other ministers with radical and intemperate positions. Now note that McBush has two more loony tunes: Bush and Lieberman.
May 15th, 2008 at 2:04 pmGeeDubs; Of course it would change the elections, for martial law would be declared by Bushitler(after all, he did say it would be easier in a dictatorship-just as long as he is the dictator).
Martial law declared, elections canceled, Congress suspended, Democrats, liberals, ACLU, dissendents rounded up and put into concentration camps, Bush would just love to emulate his hero, Adolf Hitler.
May 15th, 2008 at 2:22 pmGeeDubs; Of course it would change the elections, for martial law would be declared by Bushitler(after all, he did say it would be easier in a dictatorship-just as long as he is the dictator).
Martial law declared, elections canceled, Congress suspended, Democrats, liberals, ACLU, dissendents rounded up and put into concentration camps, Bush would just love to emulate his hero, Adolf Hitler.
May 15th, 2008 at 2:22 pmJMOHR Says:
Lieberman should become McCain’s Rev. Wright.........
Suggest that he may end up like Dole, spokesman for Viagra, a cure for impotence.
That fugly mug of LIEberman could be a cure for the female libido :)~
May 15th, 2008 at 2:27 pmThat's really ironic when Joe's conservative friends in Israel herd Palestinians into 'concentration camps'...
May 15th, 2008 at 2:30 pmPresident Bush got it exactly right today when he warned about the threat of Iran and its terrorist proxies like Hamas and Hezbollah. It is imperative that we reject the flawed and naïve thinking that denies or dismisses the words of extremists and terrorists when they shout “Death to America” and “Death to Israel,”
I guess however, you're a moderate if your in favor of actually killing hundreds-of-thousands of innocent people like we've done in Iraq with Lieberman's full approval.
http://progressiveworldreview.com
May 15th, 2008 at 2:53 pmIt blows my mind that some people think that if we sent some envoys to try to talk to the Iranians, that would cause them to immediately attack us.
May 15th, 2008 at 3:05 pmHey Squeaky Wheels, nice try spin-jockey. I don't think anyone has guaranteed specific results, but rather that it is COWARDS like Bush and Lieberwoman that express their COWARDICE by being AFRAID to even sit down with Int'l bullies. They are both afraid and stupid ... like most GOP Republican'ts.
May 15th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
lieberman is unspeakable scum : "It is imperative that we reject the flawed and naïve thinking that denies or dismisses the words of extremists and terrorists when they shout “Death to America” and “Death to Israel,"
how about extremists and terrorist who shout "bomb Iran"?
May 15th, 2008 at 6:54 pmLieberman would have been one of the jews running the ovens. He would do anything to save his ass. What a slimeball.
May 15th, 2008 at 7:24 pmSo, what's the problem? The Democrats have been appeasing Nazi Bush for years!
May 16th, 2008 at 11:11 am