Gitmo logic justifies torture as an effective way of tearing down a person to get information,

would not the same logic dictate that youth are more pliable and therfore the best targets to use torture on ?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/15/mccain-sets-timetable-for_n_101871.html

McCain Sets Timetable For Getting Out Of Iraq

Senator McCain’s speech today gives a timetable for when US troops will leave Iraq if he becomes President. McCain went after former GOP rival Mitt Romney during the Florida primary, claiming his mention of timetables was equivalent to putting defeat into the hands of terrorists. Now the Senator is changing his tune.
Sen. John McCain will pledge today that most American troops will return home from Iraq by 2013 if he is elected president, a position that closely resembles the promises made by both of his potential Democratic rivals.
In a speech here this morning, McCain will say that only a small contingent of troops would remain in Iraq in non-combat roles beyond that date. He predicts that the drawdown will be possible because al Qaeda in Iraq will be defeated and a democratic government will be able to thrive in the war-torn country.

And a full-context link to the second would help as well.

Lord knows how easy it is to isolate a few sentences, even from an intelligent speaker, and then point out how ridiculous they sound when framed properly. I find that often, more context dissolves the confusion and makes the quote less ridiculous than first claimed.

Annie, was it as good for you as it was for me? :)~

Now that is just plain mean, girl. I am no looker but all I can say about Penns looks is it is a good thing he is a gifted actor. As for his intelligence, see if you can figure out these two gems:

”I don’t have a candidate I’m supporting and I’m certainly interested and excited by the hope that Barack Obama is inspiring,” he said, but went on to accuse him of a “phenomenally inhuman and unconstitutional” voting record.

He is excited by the hope generated by an inhuman violater of the Constitution? And just what the hell is he talking about re Obama’s record, anyway?

And this:

”I hope that he will understand, if he is the nominee, the degree of disillusionment that will happen if he doesn’t become a greater man than he will ever be,” Penn said.

????

He will cause disillusionment if he doesn’t become a greater man than he will ever be? So…Obama seems pretty well doomed to cause disillusionment according to Penn.

The guy is a total idiot who should only speak when reading off a script if he wishes to avoid being exposed as such. Yet his wild sense of self importance won’t allow him to STFU. What a contrast with someone like Tom Hanks or Mike Farrel, who are both liberal activist celebrities but don’t have such titanic egos that the whole world revolves around them.

Glad you posted that, it needs to be given the widest publicity possible. I posted a link about that yesterday on a TP thread.

I thought it was creepy having JROTC in high schools back in the Vietnam era, it’s far worse now. Recruiters setting up tables in school lunch rooms 3-4 times each month, and getting kids as young as 11 into military programs. They were not in any of the schools I attended, but I have seen it in other schools at the time and it creeped me out.

In the 1930s, Japan assigned military officers to every school, even their elementary schools. Now, more than ever, we have Militarism USA.

Ah…what an O-gasm!!! ;o)

Hey check this out:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/1955538/Sean-Penn-endorses-Barack-Obama-at-Cannes-Film-Festival-opening.html

How big an idiot can Sean Penn be?

11:40 a.m. and Kennedy appeared drunk already.

May 14th, 2008 at 3:36 pm

When your comments contain nothing but this kind of crap, the moderators flip the switch on the dumbass. Not censoring, just removing the stinking carcasses.

G00D_G0LLY Says:

My posts will be deleted by the Stalinist censors at ThinkProgress by the end of the day. No Dissent Allowed. Very “progressive.”

Sounds like the troll takes this as a challenge to see that its comments are as odious and as offensive as possible so as to provoke yet another ban.

Odd, though, that the troll calls this “Stalinist” since it regularly banned posters from its own lame site, back when it had any traffic at all…

The next president isn’t the little treasure you get to keep to yourself, psycho.

…My posts will be deleted by the Stalinist censors at ThinkProgress by the end of the day…

No, it’s called “taking out the trash.”

That senator happened to be a Republican: William Edgar Borah from Idaho.

And since we’re on the subject of Nazi appeasers, what about Prescott?

Democrat Soldier Says:

ThinkProgress allows dissenting view, unlike Red State (an infamous right-whiner site) which regularly deletes any posts that stray from the approved right-whiner talking points.

GG’s posts remain available for ThinkProgress posters to see.

Typical double-standards of the right-whiners.

Yeah, well, you gotta recognize that we have nothing to fear from dissenting viewpoints. Especially when they’re as moronic as this troll’s typically prove to be.

When all you’ve got to sustain your message is faith, propaganda, and talking points, reason is dangerous.