Comments on: Rubin: McCain’s Rhetoric On Hamas Is ‘The Ultimate Flip-Flop’ http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/mccain-hamas-flip-flop/ Fri, 27 Nov 2009 00:51:44 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Marie http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/mccain-hamas-flip-flop/comment-page-1/#comment-4966028 Marie Fri, 16 May 2008 21:29:55 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/mccain-hamas-flip-flop/#comment-4966028 Now the Bushies are claiming that Bush's statement yesterday was directed at Jimmy Carter -- they make me laugh! Obama challenged a debate on foreign policy with Bush the dumb (chicken-sh!t). That'll never happen -- then the world would see that our "emperor" has no clothes. Now the Bushies are claiming that Bush’s statement yesterday was directed at Jimmy Carter — they make me laugh!
Obama challenged a debate on foreign policy with Bush the dumb (chicken-sh!t). That’ll never happen — then the world would see that our “emperor” has no clothes.

]]> By: tarazan http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/mccain-hamas-flip-flop/comment-page-1/#comment-4965344 tarazan Fri, 16 May 2008 17:38:09 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/mccain-hamas-flip-flop/#comment-4965344 So much has been said about England's Chamberlain appeasing Hitler before 2nd. World War erupted. I think what we should be concerned about in America these days is the 'media appeasing' of our ruling elite politicians in the face of all their daily lies and spins. So much has been said about England’s Chamberlain appeasing Hitler before 2nd. World War erupted.

I think what we should be concerned about in America these days is the ‘media appeasing’ of our ruling elite politicians in the face of all their daily lies and spins.

]]> By: cjjason http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/mccain-hamas-flip-flop/comment-page-1/#comment-4965280 cjjason Fri, 16 May 2008 17:17:19 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/mccain-hamas-flip-flop/#comment-4965280 Oh, God. I can't stand another 4 years of an administration that is always spinning what they said, what they meant. That statement from his campaign reminds me of Dana Perino and all her predecessors - all trying to smooth over the dumbness of Mr. President. It's obvious that's what we'll see if he gets elected. Oh, God. I can’t stand another 4 years of an administration that is always spinning what they said, what they meant. That statement from his campaign reminds me of Dana Perino and all her predecessors – all trying to smooth over the dumbness of Mr. President. It’s obvious that’s what we’ll see if he gets elected.

]]> By: Oval12345678 aka James K. Sayre http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/mccain-hamas-flip-flop/comment-page-1/#comment-4965178 Oval12345678 aka James K. Sayre Fri, 16 May 2008 16:36:00 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/mccain-hamas-flip-flop/#comment-4965178 McCain should be entered in the summer Olympics where he can publicly perform his amazing triple-roll inside-out double flip-flop off of the high diving board. Unfortunately, he would probably just end up doing an old man belly-flop... McCain should be entered in the summer Olympics where he can publicly perform his amazing triple-roll inside-out double flip-flop off of the high diving board. Unfortunately, he would probably just end up doing an old man belly-flop…

]]> By: shoeless http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/mccain-hamas-flip-flop/comment-page-1/#comment-4965124 shoeless Fri, 16 May 2008 16:01:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/mccain-hamas-flip-flop/#comment-4965124 <em>dbadass Says: I’m a little confused. Didn’t Bush, Rice, etal push for Hamas to be part of a “democratic” Palestinian election?</em> Well sure. But that was before they realized that Diebold does not supply the voting machines in Palestine. dbadass Says:

I’m a little confused. Didn’t Bush, Rice, etal push for Hamas to be part of a “democratic” Palestinian election?

Well sure. But that was before they realized that Diebold does not supply the voting machines in Palestine.

]]> By: Tired Of Fighting http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/mccain-hamas-flip-flop/comment-page-1/#comment-4965082 Tired Of Fighting Fri, 16 May 2008 15:35:16 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/mccain-hamas-flip-flop/#comment-4965082 Appeasement= "Prescott Bush" RIP SGT Stephen R. Sherman C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER) KIA 3 Feb 2005 Mosul, Iraq Appeasement=

“Prescott Bush”

RIP
SGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq

]]> By: JMOHR http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/mccain-hamas-flip-flop/comment-page-1/#comment-4965068 JMOHR Fri, 16 May 2008 15:33:31 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/mccain-hamas-flip-flop/#comment-4965068 McCain is a hypocrite and the press seems to be responding in that manner. CNN covered McCain's news conference call this morning. It noted that the president's remarks were dishonest and hyper partisan. CNN also noted that McCain's remarks betrayed his promise to avoid being hyper partisan. It helped that the Democratic party finally got its act together to show a unified front. The bottom line of the news story was that this helped Obama, buried McCain's fantasy trip to the future and put Obama on the same importance plain as Bush. However, CNN also seemed to indicate that McCain's adoption of the Bush argument might be alright since it would help contrast the contenders' position. This is where we have to fight. It is never right to use a totally dishonest an false presentation in order to draw a contrast with the opponents' approach to foreign policy. It is lying, it is distortion and it is wrong. We need to keep the press on line with this. McCain is a hypocrite and the press seems to be responding in that manner. CNN covered McCain’s news conference call this morning. It noted that the president’s remarks were dishonest and hyper partisan. CNN also noted that McCain’s remarks betrayed his promise to avoid being hyper partisan. It helped that the Democratic party finally got its act together to show a unified front.

The bottom line of the news story was that this helped Obama, buried McCain’s fantasy trip to the future and put Obama on the same importance plain as Bush. However, CNN also seemed to indicate that McCain’s adoption of the Bush argument might be alright since it would help contrast the contenders’ position. This is where we have to fight. It is never right to use a totally dishonest an false presentation in order to draw a contrast with the opponents’ approach to foreign policy. It is lying, it is distortion and it is wrong. We need to keep the press on line with this.

]]> By: Squeaky Wheels http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/mccain-hamas-flip-flop/comment-page-1/#comment-4965054 Squeaky Wheels Fri, 16 May 2008 15:28:16 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/mccain-hamas-flip-flop/#comment-4965054 We've got to get over this business of expecting a group to give in to our demands before we even begin to talk to them. The GOAL, not the preconditions, of talks with Hamas are among other things to get them to renounce violence and recognize Israel. We’ve got to get over this business of expecting a group to give in to our demands before we even begin to talk to them. The GOAL, not the preconditions, of talks with Hamas are among other things to get them to renounce violence and recognize Israel.

]]> By: scytherius http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/mccain-hamas-flip-flop/comment-page-1/#comment-4965038 scytherius Fri, 16 May 2008 15:21:41 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/mccain-hamas-flip-flop/#comment-4965038 Once the general campaign ramps up he's gonna get beat to death with his bullshit. Gonna be fun to watch. =) Once the general campaign ramps up he’s gonna get beat to death with his bullshit. Gonna be fun to watch. =)

]]> By: Zimzone http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/mccain-hamas-flip-flop/comment-page-1/#comment-4965014 Zimzone Fri, 16 May 2008 15:14:18 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/mccain-hamas-flip-flop/#comment-4965014 Pander Bear: <em>'Never commit today to what you said yesterday in case you need it tomorrow'.</em> Pander Bear: ‘Never commit today to what you said yesterday in case you need it tomorrow’.

]]> By: dbadass http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/mccain-hamas-flip-flop/comment-page-1/#comment-4965010 dbadass Fri, 16 May 2008 15:14:09 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/mccain-hamas-flip-flop/#comment-4965010 I'm a little confused. Didn't Bush, Rice, etal push for Hamas to be part of a "democratic" Palestinian election? I’m a little confused. Didn’t Bush, Rice, etal push for Hamas to be part of a “democratic” Palestinian election?

]]> By: Wayne http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/mccain-hamas-flip-flop/comment-page-1/#comment-4964986 Wayne Fri, 16 May 2008 15:05:03 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/mccain-hamas-flip-flop/#comment-4964986 Don't you guys know, what McCain said in the past is irrelevant, what is important is what he says now, and if he changes what he says tomorrow, well then what he said today won't matter, because that would be in the past, whats important is what he says now. Whats past is past, whats now is now. Everyone understand now? Good, cause I confused myself..... /obvious snark Don’t you guys know, what McCain said in the past is irrelevant, what is important is what he says now, and if he changes what he says tomorrow, well then what he said today won’t matter, because that would be in the past, whats important is what he says now. Whats past is past, whats now is now.
Everyone understand now?

Good, cause I confused myself…..

/obvious snark

]]> By: galmud http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/mccain-hamas-flip-flop/comment-page-1/#comment-4964976 galmud Fri, 16 May 2008 15:01:44 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/mccain-hamas-flip-flop/#comment-4964976 Its ironic but not surprising that US, Democrats and Republicans, claim to promote democracy in the Middle East. While at the same the US is actively working to stop the spread of democracy, isolating democratically elected governments like Hamas, supporting their political enemies and instigating coups to overthrow the peoples government (like the Palestinian civil-war in 2007). Maybe because they want to keep using their favorite argument "Israel is the only democracy in the region blablabla"? After Carter met with Hamas, they actually offered to accept any peace-agreement not imposed against the will of the Palestinian people. So its actually Hamas who is calling for a democratic solution while the US rather deals with a few weak corrupt Palestinian leaders who they hope will bend over and just accept the demands made by Israel and the US Its ironic but not surprising that US, Democrats and Republicans, claim to promote democracy in the Middle East. While at the same the US is actively working to stop the spread of democracy, isolating democratically elected governments like Hamas, supporting their political enemies and instigating coups to overthrow the peoples government (like the Palestinian civil-war in 2007).

Maybe because they want to keep using their favorite argument “Israel is the only democracy in the region blablabla”?

After Carter met with Hamas, they actually offered to accept any peace-agreement not imposed against the will of the Palestinian people. So its actually Hamas who is calling for a democratic solution while the US rather deals with a few weak corrupt Palestinian leaders who they hope will bend over and just accept the demands made by Israel and the US

]]> By: shoeless http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/mccain-hamas-flip-flop/comment-page-1/#comment-4964952 shoeless Fri, 16 May 2008 14:55:10 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/mccain-hamas-flip-flop/#comment-4964952 Do I have this straight? Is the "Straight Talk Express" now against talk? Do I have this straight? Is the “Straight Talk Express” now against talk?

]]> By: Alecto http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/mccain-hamas-flip-flop/comment-page-1/#comment-4964950 Alecto Fri, 16 May 2008 14:50:45 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/mccain-hamas-flip-flop/#comment-4964950 Zimzone Says "Nazionists" Nice Zimzone Says
“Nazionists”

Nice

]]> By: Alecto http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/mccain-hamas-flip-flop/comment-page-1/#comment-4964948 Alecto Fri, 16 May 2008 14:50:08 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/mccain-hamas-flip-flop/#comment-4964948 <em>shoeless Says: MapleStreet Says: How far did the peace process go in Northern Ireland before the different sides talked to each other ? It went so far that Bill Clinton finally had to go over there and talk them into talking to each other. Funny thing about that, talking sometimes works, while not talking never works.</em> But, but, white people do not have religious wars. It is only those dark skinned types in the middle east. /snark shoeless Says:

MapleStreet Says:

How far did the peace process go in Northern Ireland before the different sides talked to each other ?

It went so far that Bill Clinton finally had to go over there and talk them into talking to each other. Funny thing about that, talking sometimes works, while not talking never works.

But, but, white people do not have religious wars. It is only those dark skinned types in the middle east. /snark

]]> By: Zimzone http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/mccain-hamas-flip-flop/comment-page-1/#comment-4964946 Zimzone Fri, 16 May 2008 14:49:59 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/mccain-hamas-flip-flop/#comment-4964946 Bubble Boy is appeasing the Nazionists. Bubble Boy is appeasing the Nazionists.

]]> By: shoeless http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/mccain-hamas-flip-flop/comment-page-1/#comment-4964938 shoeless Fri, 16 May 2008 14:46:36 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/mccain-hamas-flip-flop/#comment-4964938 <em>MapleStreet Says: How far did the peace process go in Northern Ireland before the different sides talked to each other ?</em> It went so far that Bill Clinton finally had to go over there and talk them into talking to each other. Funny thing about that, talking sometimes works, while not talking never works. MapleStreet Says:

How far did the peace process go in Northern Ireland before the different sides talked to each other ?

It went so far that Bill Clinton finally had to go over there and talk them into talking to each other. Funny thing about that, talking sometimes works, while not talking never works.

]]> By: shoeless http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/mccain-hamas-flip-flop/comment-page-1/#comment-4964930 shoeless Fri, 16 May 2008 14:42:33 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/mccain-hamas-flip-flop/#comment-4964930 <em>ralph the wonder llama Says: Republicans don’t even want to talk with Hamas, the democratically elected leadership party in Palestine? Then what was all that rhetoric about “supporting democracy in the Middle East”? W — was that just… talk?</em> No, he was serious. Republicans just don't understand democracy. They didn't realize that there are no Republicans in Palistine to steal elections. ralph the wonder llama Says:

Republicans don’t even want to talk with Hamas, the democratically elected leadership party in Palestine?

Then what was all that rhetoric about “supporting democracy in the Middle East”?

W — was that just… talk?

No, he was serious. Republicans just don’t understand democracy. They didn’t realize that there are no Republicans in Palistine to steal elections.

]]> By: MapleStreet http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/mccain-hamas-flip-flop/comment-page-1/#comment-4964916 MapleStreet Fri, 16 May 2008 14:37:05 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/mccain-hamas-flip-flop/#comment-4964916 Really Dumb Question: How far did the peace process go in Northern Ireland before the different sides talked to each other ? Really Dumb Question:

How far did the peace process go in Northern Ireland before the different sides talked to each other ?

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