Prominent neoconservative site goes under.
Prominent neoconservative site goes under.
Eleven years ago, the neoconservative Project for a New American Century (PNAC) set out its statement of principles advocating the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, putting the country on the road to a preventative invasion of Iraq. Signatories included future Iraq war architects Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, and Elliott Abrams, as well as neoconservatives like Bill Kristol and Robert Kagan. From PNAC’s statement of foreign policy goals:
The history of the 20th century should have taught us that it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge, and to meet threats before they become dire.
But just as the neocons are attempting to run from responsibility for the Iraq war, it appears PNAC may be abandoning its own website. Here’s the message that greets visitors to PNAC’s site:
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May 16th, 2008 at 4:05 pmBut PNAC, like the undead, can never die. It will come back and haunt us again, infiltrating our foreign policy with bad, bad ideas.
-The Political Jerk
May 16th, 2008 at 4:05 pmThe bas$$$ards can run, but they can’t hide
May 16th, 2008 at 4:06 pmtony andLido
WWWAAAAAAAAHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
Now, if only the criminal organization of the AEI were to be disbanded.
May 16th, 2008 at 4:06 pmProminent neoconservative site goes under.
Now it’s time the members of it follow suit………
May 16th, 2008 at 4:07 pmThe history of the 20th century should have taught us that it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge, and to meet threats before they become dire.
Or…you can invent the crises that shapes the circumstances. Either way, it helps to pay the bills.
http://progressiveworldreview.com
May 16th, 2008 at 4:08 pmHow priceless is this?
To be honest, I have been surprised for a long time that they didn’t pull their site down long ago. It was blatant and obvious of their desire to rule the world by what they had on their own site!
I doubt it will return - payment will not be forthcoming.
The reason Bush cannot speak to foreign leaders is that the man cannot speak! Just one example:
If anyone is a rogue state, it is US. We invaded a sovereign nation on manufactured data, spin, lies and a compliant media. We bombed the crap out of innocent people - for what? To free them (from what? Their oil, water, electricity, food and other sundry items.)
Sometimes, the only thing that keeps me going is knowing that many Bush Administration officials have been charged with war crimes. And I eagerly await their trial for crimes against humanity, for that is the only thing that will return our nation to its once greatness and worthiness of world respect.
And hopes that every one of these PNAC pieces of $hit burn in he11!
May 16th, 2008 at 4:08 pmTheir “series of tubes” just got clogged with the huge amount of waste generated by the neocon’s pet war.
May 16th, 2008 at 4:10 pmI’m not really sure what message TP expects us to get from this, but I hardly think that a closed web site or an expired domain name — whatever is at the root of this tragedy — is indication that the PNACkers are packing it in.
It’s probably an insignificant interruption in service, or maybe they’re “re-tooling” their operation.
May 16th, 2008 at 4:10 pmOoops…sorry about the above…some of it got pasted by mistake. My bad!!
May 16th, 2008 at 4:10 pmTheir bubble is getting smaller by the minute. They are abondoning ship, hidding evidence and blaming everybody else!
May 16th, 2008 at 4:11 pmTrying to cover up the evidence?
I hope people saved things like the lengthy Sept. 2000 report which basically focused on China and barely mentions terrorism, not to mention bin Laden. It’s useful when the right suggests that 09/11 was all Clinton’s fault, when it’s clear the neocons had no freakin’ clue about this and was focused on missile defense.
May 16th, 2008 at 4:17 pmone word:
BWAWAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!~~~~~!!!!!!!!!!
May 16th, 2008 at 4:17 pmWow, these people can’t do anything right. Yes, it is probably just some unscheduled downtime but admit it Ralph, the sight gag falls just behind the RNCC pirating the slogan from an antidepressant medication for its fall campaign. Let’s just hope PNAC gets “the change it deserves” (hmm, stripes would be nice).
May 16th, 2008 at 4:18 pmI agree Ms_Joanne - I was surprised that it was up as long as it was. Their arrogance about their master plan was out there in broad daylight for everyone to link and see who signed us into war and recession.
I bet they come back in some new incarnation, just as evil as the old one, but maybe not as forthcoming about their plans and their membership.
May 16th, 2008 at 4:19 pmRebranding as ‘Change you not only didn’t ask for, but are going to get shoved up your butt with barbed wire’?
May 16th, 2008 at 4:19 pmOh, now that is telling, now isn’t it.
May 16th, 2008 at 4:19 pmThis is not the end. The neocons consist of people who control the Federal Reserve. They will minipulate the world for there own benifitt. There is a excellent documentory called http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com which explains and shows you first hand with facts not drumed up information pushed by the MSM who is owned by these same people. Why do you think NO ONE challenges the government? Please take the time (2hrs)and invest in knowledge for your own benifit and the future of Humanity.
May 16th, 2008 at 4:19 pmI have a lengthy post concerning PNAC on my blog.
I am ashamed of myself for not saving all their files offline.
I hope someone did!
May 16th, 2008 at 4:26 pmThis is a good start. Now, I would like to see the day come when there are large billboards at the Iraq border that read:
May 16th, 2008 at 4:26 pmWith their plan of world domination torn away, they do what all right siders do - they take their ball and go home. We will hear no apologies for the ruin they have brought. Cheney and Rummy both signed for PNAC. That is all the evidence we need to convict them at the Hague.
May 16th, 2008 at 4:28 pmI’ll express my reservations with ralph. Either they’re going under for good, their deserved destiny, or they’re out for maintenance. Even if they intend to go under, this post may give the nuts the idea to quickly bring their website back to order to “prove that lefty loony site wrong.”
May 16th, 2008 at 4:29 pmBut but but… wait six months… The site will be back up!!!
May 16th, 2008 at 4:39 pmThe web site notice that the account has been suspended is not a planned outage for retooling the web site.
As a web developer, I can tell you that these guys have not paid their bills and the ISP responded with the only tool that they have and put up the “suspended” notice.
For a planned outage, we develop web pages that answer questions, and most importantly tell the visitor when the site will be back up. This PNAC page amounts to an eviction notice.
We are talking about very small change to keep this web site going, and yet the PNAC members and American Enterprise Institute have lost all interest in this to the point that they have gone probably 60 to 90 days without paying their ISP.
These guys spend more on dinner and drinks for their friends at one meal than what it would take to get the ISP paid off.
That’s the Neocons for you - one failed plan after another.
May 16th, 2008 at 4:39 pmNot to fear, there is surely a sugar daddy who will step up and pay these fluffer’s bills.
May 16th, 2008 at 4:42 pm.
I hope people screen capped many of their major and formal documents. Several were to Clinton regarding Iraq/N and the necessity of a “Pearl Harbor” and such.
[snark] too bad an American Icon has to disappear with such a lack of fanfare.[/snar]
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May 16th, 2008 at 4:47 pmI wonder how much it would cost to buy it. Wouldn’t that be sweet! For all perpetuity!
May 16th, 2008 at 4:47 pm.
MissJ,
You’ll find a great deal of PNAC’s Documents, and much, much more HERE
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May 16th, 2008 at 4:51 pm“but barring a national catastrophy it will be hard to galvanize the American public behind such a scheme ,”
May 16th, 2008 at 4:52 pmPre 911 from the PNAC website
PNAC TRAITORS will continue until APPREHENDED.
Find them, arrest them, try them, convict them, EXECUTE them for TREASON against the USA.
For the good of the USA and the WORLD.
May 16th, 2008 at 4:52 pmMax…KISSES!! Thank you!
May 16th, 2008 at 4:56 pmPre emptive war is a war crime ! Bush cannot be tried without ipeachment for treason but there is NO statute of limitations on war crimes and crimes against humanity !
May 16th, 2008 at 4:56 pmMsJ,
People say I’ma suppository of information…
… or something like that.
May 16th, 2008 at 4:58 pmFreeman, if you haven’t yet read this, please do. Bush Administration officials have been charged with war crimes.
I am awaiting a trip to Den Hague…pom poms and all.
May 16th, 2008 at 4:58 pmPerhaps they are fearful for their freedom and are in the beginning stages of going to ground.
May 16th, 2008 at 4:59 pmA suppository ? Shit Max .
May 16th, 2008 at 4:59 pmMax, LMAO!
I like that in a person! It totally works for me!
May 16th, 2008 at 4:59 pmSee U there Joanie , It’s my treat at the hash bar .
May 16th, 2008 at 5:00 pmYour sites now on my favorites list Joanne ,Thanx .
May 16th, 2008 at 5:07 pmMax-1 Says:
People say I’ma suppository of information…
… or something like that.
My friends call me a sexual intellectual at times, because I’m a phucking know-it-all!
May 16th, 2008 at 5:10 pmSomebody flipped the light switch on and the cockroaches are running for cover?
May 16th, 2008 at 5:11 pmYou guys are cracking me up.
Thanks for the stimulation! (wink)
May 16th, 2008 at 5:15 pmI hope it’s a TOS violation for hate.
Now we know their host and can look up the TOS.
ns1.cpanel.btnaccess.com
AUP policy at btnaccess
http://www.pccwglobal.com/acceptable-use-policy.php
4. Prohibited Activites
May 16th, 2008 at 5:21 pma. Illegal Use
The pccwglobal Network may be used only for lawful purposes. Transmission, distribution or storage of any material in violation of any applicable law or regulation isprohibited. This includes, without limitation, material protected by copyright, trademark, trade secret or other intellectual property right used without proper authorization, and material that is obscene, defamatory, constitutes an illegal threat, or violates export control laws.
This website never existed.
Bush only focused on Iraq when he got the correct at the time intelligence that Saddam had WMDs and would use them, threatening Israel. Then the coward Saddam moved them into Syria. He is a true patriot.
Bush is also ten feet tall and will never die. He can crush a diamond with his eyelashes.
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Okay, in all seriousness the PNAC is just going underground. They might cede until 2012, but the mess will remain and Obama will be the sacrificial lamb, derogated for not caving to the billionaires or the working class voters with stagnant wages, i.e. 90% of the rest of America.
Then the nice Team Captain, America-loving (read: not Black or Muslim) WASP will be there to save us from our problems (of Bush) with a return to Reaganism. I’m surprised that guy wasn’t groomed for this round, a Methodist Romney.
May 16th, 2008 at 5:31 pmTo turn an old phrase around:
May 16th, 2008 at 5:34 pmFu(k You, PNAC, and the website you rode in on.
I’m more than a little suspicious that they intentionally closed their site to avoid the possibility that any of their words could be used agianst them.
I wonder if they realize that the Wayback machine tends to hold copies of old web sites ?
May 16th, 2008 at 5:36 pmIt’s a shell game for these guys. Criminals, every one.
May 16th, 2008 at 6:10 pmThe principals aren’t dead. No wooden stakes through their hearts yet. They’ll come back under a new nom de plume….
Cheers,
May 16th, 2008 at 6:19 pmHow fortuitous! As the PNAC’ers vision of attacking Iran nears, their site disappears.
May 16th, 2008 at 6:37 pmStateofthedivision…no kidding! You are so on the money.
Iraq and Iran…control the largest resources outside of their buds in SA, and screw the world.
And, being the ultra American patriot, I gleefully await their abject failure. This is not our America.
Fu(k all the neocons.
May 16th, 2008 at 6:45 pmMaybe their new American century was 1900.
May 16th, 2008 at 7:04 pmThere’s simply too much attention to PNAC these days. The neoconservative agenda is all but dead.
May 16th, 2008 at 9:11 pmHacked by Ned Lamont?
May 16th, 2008 at 9:37 pmThanks, freeman, for remembering that little thing about “a new Pearl Harbor.
May 16th, 2008 at 9:43 pm1984, how can you say the neocon agenda is dead? We’re living it right now! We may bomb Iran. How could you possibly say that their agenda is dead?
May 16th, 2008 at 9:48 pmThe PNAC members aren’t going anywhere. They’ll still be wrist deep in government poopie. But right now, it’s not in their best interest to draw any attention to themselves.
The members aren’t going anywhere. They’re just wanting people to forget about them for a few years.
May 16th, 2008 at 11:03 pmIf you google PNAC you can find cached files of their site. I suggest you hurry before they take them down, too.
May 17th, 2008 at 2:06 amA couple weeks ago on one of the Sunday morning news show, Kristol said he was and still is the head of PNAC. His reliabiliy is once again as much challenged as when he said in 2003 right after the triumphant invasion that the Sunni/Shia conflicts in Iraq were overated, pop psychology.
Does anyone have a link to the 1998 letter from PNAC to Clinton demanding action against Iraq? Sometines used here to introduce Bushco believers to reality.
Thanks
May 17th, 2008 at 2:34 amMs_Joanne
May 17th, 2008 at 8:08 amI didn’t say it was dead, or perhaps I wrote incorrectly (English is far from my first language), the neocon agenda certainly is not dead.
No worries, 1984. Understood. :-)
May 17th, 2008 at 8:33 amA couple weeks ago on one of the Sunday morning news show, Kristol said he was and still is the head of PNAC. His reliabiliy is once again as much challenged as when he said in 2003 right after the triumphant invasion that the Sunni/Shia conflicts in Iraq were overated, pop psychology.
Does anyone have a link to the 1998 letter from PNAC to Clinton demanding action against Iraq? Sometines used here to introduce Bushco believers to reality.
Thanks
May 17th, 2008 at 2:34 am
Links are disfunctional now. How about the letter itself, instead:
January 26, 1998
The Honorable William J. Clinton
President of the United States
Washington, DC
Dear Mr. President:
We are writing you because we are convinced that current American policy toward Iraq is not succeeding, and that we may soon face a threat in the Middle East more serious than any we have known since the end of the Cold War. In your upcoming State of the Union Address, you have an opportunity to chart a clear and determined course for meeting this threat. We urge you to seize that opportunity, and to enunciate a new strategy that would secure the interests of the U.S. and our friends and allies around the world. That strategy should aim, above all, at the removal of Saddam Hussein’s regime from power. We stand ready to offer our full support in this difficult but necessary endeavor.
The policy of “containment” of Saddam Hussein has been steadily eroding over the past several months. As recent events have demonstrated, we can no longer depend on our partners in the Gulf War coalition to continue to uphold the sanctions or to punish Saddam when he blocks or evades UN inspections. Our ability to ensure that Saddam Hussein is not producing weapons of mass destruction, therefore, has substantially diminished. Even if full inspections were eventually to resume, which now seems highly unlikely, experience has shown that it is difficult if not impossible to monitor Iraq’s chemical and biological weapons production. The lengthy period during which the inspectors will have been unable to enter many Iraqi facilities has made it even less likely that they will be able to uncover all of Saddam’s secrets. As a result, in the not-too-distant future we will be unable to determine with any reasonable level of confidence whether Iraq does or does not possess such weapons.
Such uncertainty will, by itself, have a seriously destabilizing effect on the entire Middle East. It hardly needs to be added that if Saddam does acquire the capability to deliver weapons of mass destruction, as he is almost certain to do if we continue along the present course, the safety of American troops in the region, of our friends and allies like Israel and the moderate Arab states, and a significant portion of the world’s supply of oil will all be put at hazard. As you have rightly declared, Mr. President, the security of the world in the first part of the 21st century will be determined largely by how we handle this threat.
Given the magnitude of the threat, the current policy, which depends for its success upon the steadfastness of our coalition partners and upon the cooperation of Saddam Hussein, is dangerously inadequate. The only acceptable strategy is one that eliminates the possibility that Iraq will be able to use or threaten to use weapons of mass destruction. In the near term, this means a willingness to undertake military action as diplomacy is clearly failing. In the long term, it means removing Saddam Hussein and his regime from power. That now needs to become the aim of American foreign policy.
We urge you to articulate this aim, and to turn your Administration’s attention to implementing a strategy for removing Saddam’s regime from power. This will require a full complement of diplomatic, political and military efforts. Although we are fully aware of the dangers and difficulties in implementing this policy, we believe the dangers of failing to do so are far greater. We believe the U.S. has the authority under existing UN resolutions to take the necessary steps, including military steps, to protect our vital interests in the Gulf. In any case, American policy cannot continue to be crippled by a misguided insistence on unanimity in the UN Security Council.
We urge you to act decisively. If you act now to end the threat of weapons of mass destruction against the U.S. or its allies, you will be acting in the most fundamental national security interests of the country. If we accept a course of weakness and drift, we put our interests and our future at risk.
Sincerely,
Elliott Abrams Richard L. Armitage William J. Bennett
May 17th, 2008 at 10:20 amJeffrey Bergner John Bolton Paula Dobriansky
Francis Fukuyama Robert Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad
William Kristol Richard Perle Peter W. Rodman
Donald Rumsfeld William Schneider, Jr. Vin Weber
Paul Wolfowitz R. James Woolsey Robert B. Zoellick
Ms. J, you may like the link below
It’s amazing how these people think that they can re-write history, and their involvement (or complicity) in it, merely by making the web-pages go away. As though the Delete button would have been Ollie North’s ultimate solution and salvation, but I digress.
These guys are depending upon the notion that nobody else has a copy, but they are quite mistaken.
If anybody is interested in retrieving web pages from the past, you can try the Internet Archive’s Way Back Machine
It’s very easy to avoid accountability when you alone control the information which can condemn you. PNAC, and similarly arrogant fools, are truly arrogant enough to believe that they, in fact, are. I’ll enjoy watching this mistake be their ultimate undoing.
May 17th, 2008 at 11:47 amMy spidey senses tell me this is no “forgot to pay” but an attempt to make us forget about it. This is revisionism happening as we speak. Far as I’m concerned the majority of folks do not even know about PNAC. Perhaps they will be back in a new name and guise, in fact they are sure to return. I think they are the new Nazis…it is a poisonous ideology.
May 17th, 2008 at 2:13 pmThe site’s still down as I post this. Let’s hope we don’t forget that McWAR has plenty of neo-cons as policy advisors.
May 17th, 2008 at 2:31 pmThe reason PNAC went under is because it had become known as the Council of Zionist Traitors. All politicians of any stripe are well advised to avoid this subversive group.
May 18th, 2008 at 1:03 am> it was signed into law by President Bill Clinton.
ah the ol “clinton said it too” defense
our resident scholar troll Kilotwatt deftly refusing to admit that talking about doing something incredibly stupid and actually DOING something incredibly stupid are two very different things. Mission Accomplished? Can’t some of this Iraqi oil money go toward paying PNAC’s ISP? oh wait, its all being used for reconstuction, just like the architechts of this war said it would..
its sorta like the guy who shoots his neighbor for looking at him funny trying to defend himself by claiming the guy down the blocked talked about wanting to do it as well…not gonna fly..
May 18th, 2008 at 5:31 amHold on, Hold on.
May 18th, 2008 at 6:57 amIraqi oil revenues were supposed to pay for the PNAC server.
I’ll get KBR right on this.
We can’t be pushing the propaganda without a website.
I guess I’ll have to appease the domain host.
A new Pearl Harbor to galvanize the country in order to create a new world order. That was thier motto.
Hmmm - along comes 911 right after these guys gain power.
Hmmmmm??????
Now scientists, architects and engineers claim that the towers were exploded using thermite cause only that would explain the towers coming down at free fall speeds encountering no resistance from the undamaged floors. Basic theories of heat transfer can not explain the massive 147 columns being weakened let alone melted?
Folks - Jet fuel fires (refined kerosene) will not weaken A36 structural steel let alone melt the stuff. A chemical reaction from thermite does explain all the molten metal.
Facts and physics are stubborn things.
According to the new New York Times/CBS News poll, only 16% of Americans think the government is telling the truth about 9/11 and the intelligence prior to the attacks:
“Do you think members of the Bush Administration are telling the truth, are mostly telling the truth but hiding something, or are they mostly lying?
Telling the truth 16%
Hiding something 53%
Mostly lying 28%
Not sure 3%”
May 19th, 2008 at 11:32 am