Comments on: Study finds Pentagon benefited from U.S. media ‘embed’ program in Iraq. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/18/study-finds-pentagon-benefited-from-us-media-embed-program-in-iraq/ Fri, 27 Nov 2009 03:48:36 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: williamf http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/18/study-finds-pentagon-benefited-from-us-media-embed-program-in-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-4968502 williamf Mon, 19 May 2008 17:57:57 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/18/study-finds-pentagon-benefited-from-us-media-embed-program-in-iraq/#comment-4968502 Can we all get along...I don't think so. Can we all get along…I don’t think so.

]]> By: williamf http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/18/study-finds-pentagon-benefited-from-us-media-embed-program-in-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-4968500 williamf Mon, 19 May 2008 17:56:50 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/18/study-finds-pentagon-benefited-from-us-media-embed-program-in-iraq/#comment-4968500 Some kind of shock this is...yep. Some kind of shock this is…yep.

]]> By: Evil Spaniard http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/18/study-finds-pentagon-benefited-from-us-media-embed-program-in-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-4968112 Evil Spaniard Mon, 19 May 2008 15:02:30 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/18/study-finds-pentagon-benefited-from-us-media-embed-program-in-iraq/#comment-4968112 <em>Juan C. Says: Evil Spaniard, don´t forget this one. May 19th, 2008 at 8:45 am </em> Yes, Juan, indeed. Since day one, USA has been targeting Al Jazeera, simply because is an arab media outlet and not part of the "embedded" strategy. I've seen some of their articles and are fairly neutral and accurate but, of course, they aren't part of the media machinery that the Bush cabinet, with Cheney as field commander on political brainwashing, and therefore a menace to the neocon spin machine. Nice free speech defenders. Juan C. Says:

Evil Spaniard, don´t forget this one.

May 19th, 2008 at 8:45 am

Yes, Juan, indeed. Since day one, USA has been targeting Al Jazeera, simply because is an arab media outlet and not part of the “embedded” strategy. I’ve seen some of their articles and are fairly neutral and accurate but, of course, they aren’t part of the media machinery that the Bush cabinet, with Cheney as field commander on political brainwashing, and therefore a menace to the neocon spin machine.

Nice free speech defenders.

]]> By: indyjones http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/18/study-finds-pentagon-benefited-from-us-media-embed-program-in-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-4968006 indyjones Mon, 19 May 2008 14:04:37 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/18/study-finds-pentagon-benefited-from-us-media-embed-program-in-iraq/#comment-4968006 To all: Cool, I was doing the my stuff a few years earlier. I think we both might have been insulted had someone implied that we knew “nothing” of our chosen disciplines. IT'S NOT ABOUT INSULTING THE ASPIRING SOCIOLOGIST - I AM NOT DOING THAT - THAT IS A DIFFERENT ISSUE. I QUESTION THE APPROACH AS WHOLE AND WHY THIS GENTLEMAN HAD THOUGHT HE WOUCL HAVE REACHED A DIFFERENT CONCLUSION. Um, indy. Not so in Nam. We had embedded reporters who covered stuff like MyLai, the Chu Lai massacres in I corps. They saw the horrors of both sides, up close and personal. THE REPORT NEVER SAID THAT THEY DID NOT COVER CIVILIAN CASULATIES AND THE CIVILIAN CONSEQUENCES - IT REPORTS THAT EMBEDDED REPORTERS DO NOT REPORT THEM AS MUCH AS THE OTHER TWO GROUPS. MPA-Master of Public Administration MFA-California Chicken Farm Investigation-Mercy For Animals. You are right to defend bushco but I am not sure they rise to the level of animals. However, anyone that defends chickens woulkd be right at home defending bushco. Don’t tell your Momma and daddy or they might be sending you a bill! I WORK IN PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION - AND DO QUITE WELL WITH MY MFA. GOOD SIR, IF YOU INDEED HAVE AN MPA YOU ARE IN NO POSITION TO BE CRITICIZING MY MFA. MFA means that you can either act or draw, My six year old granddaughter can do both and has had the talent since she was four. IT IS NOT JUST LIMITED TO ACTING OR DRAWING. I BELIEVE EDUCATION IS EMPOWERMENT AND IT POREPARES ONE TO THINK CRITICALLY - A QUALITY THAT CAN SPAN AND SUPPORT WORK IN A VARIETY OF CAREER FIELDS. To all:

Cool, I was doing the my stuff a few years earlier. I think we both might have been insulted had someone implied that we knew “nothing” of our chosen disciplines.

IT’S NOT ABOUT INSULTING THE ASPIRING SOCIOLOGIST – I AM NOT DOING THAT – THAT IS A DIFFERENT ISSUE. I QUESTION THE APPROACH AS WHOLE AND WHY THIS GENTLEMAN HAD THOUGHT HE WOUCL HAVE REACHED A DIFFERENT CONCLUSION.

Um, indy. Not so in Nam. We had embedded reporters who covered stuff like MyLai, the Chu Lai massacres in I corps. They saw the horrors of both sides, up close and personal.

THE REPORT NEVER SAID THAT THEY DID NOT COVER CIVILIAN CASULATIES AND THE CIVILIAN CONSEQUENCES – IT REPORTS THAT EMBEDDED REPORTERS DO NOT REPORT THEM AS MUCH AS THE OTHER TWO GROUPS.

MPA-Master of Public Administration
MFA-California Chicken Farm Investigation-Mercy For Animals.

You are right to defend bushco but I am not sure they rise to the level of animals. However, anyone that defends chickens woulkd be right at home defending bushco. Don’t tell your Momma and daddy or they might be sending you a bill!

I WORK IN PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION – AND DO QUITE WELL WITH MY MFA. GOOD SIR, IF YOU INDEED HAVE AN MPA YOU ARE IN NO POSITION TO BE CRITICIZING MY MFA.

MFA means that you can either act or draw, My six year old granddaughter can do both and has had the talent since she was four.

IT IS NOT JUST LIMITED TO ACTING OR DRAWING. I BELIEVE EDUCATION IS EMPOWERMENT AND IT POREPARES ONE TO THINK CRITICALLY – A QUALITY THAT CAN SPAN AND SUPPORT WORK IN A VARIETY OF CAREER FIELDS.

]]> By: Juan C. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/18/study-finds-pentagon-benefited-from-us-media-embed-program-in-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-4967874 Juan C. Mon, 19 May 2008 12:45:54 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/18/study-finds-pentagon-benefited-from-us-media-embed-program-in-iraq/#comment-4967874 Evil Spaniard, don´t forget <strong><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2001/nov/19/mondaymediasection.afghanistan" rel="nofollow">this one.</a></strong> Evil Spaniard, don´t forget this one.

]]> By: Evil Spaniard http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/18/study-finds-pentagon-benefited-from-us-media-embed-program-in-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-4967870 Evil Spaniard Mon, 19 May 2008 12:35:40 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/18/study-finds-pentagon-benefited-from-us-media-embed-program-in-iraq/#comment-4967870 From the Wiki article I linked above: <em>The Palestine Hotel, often referred to simply as The Palestine, is an 18-story hotel in Baghdad, Iraq located on Firdos Square, across from the Sheraton Ishtar. <strong>It has long been favored by journalists and media personnel</strong>.</em> ... <em>Former military intelligence officer, Army Sargent Adrienne Kinne (Ret.) has revealed (Democracy Now - May 13th, 2008) that she saw secret US military documents that listed the Hotel Palestine as a potential target.</em> From the Wiki article I linked above:

The Palestine Hotel, often referred to simply as The Palestine, is an 18-story hotel in Baghdad, Iraq located on Firdos Square, across from the Sheraton Ishtar. It has long been favored by journalists and media personnel.

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Former military intelligence officer, Army Sargent Adrienne Kinne (Ret.) has revealed (Democracy Now – May 13th, 2008) that she saw secret US military documents that listed the Hotel Palestine as a potential target.

]]> By: galmud http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/18/study-finds-pentagon-benefited-from-us-media-embed-program-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-4967868 galmud Mon, 19 May 2008 12:30:27 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/18/study-finds-pentagon-benefited-from-us-media-embed-program-in-iraq/#comment-4967868 As revealed in the Winter soldier testimonies, when soldiers had embedded reporters among them they did their utmost to follow rules of engagement and do everything by the book. But during normal circumstances when no reporters were with them ROE was just a technicality not to be taken too seriously. Fire on anything that moves. If you kill a civilian just throw a shovel on the body and report it as a killed IED terrorist And since embedded reporters tend to bond with the soldiers any suspected wrongdoing would never be reported objectively or possibly not investigated at all. As revealed in the Winter soldier testimonies, when soldiers had embedded reporters among them they did their utmost to follow rules of engagement and do everything by the book. But during normal circumstances when no reporters were with them ROE was just a technicality not to be taken too seriously. Fire on anything that moves. If you kill a civilian just throw a shovel on the body and report it as a killed IED terrorist

And since embedded reporters tend to bond with the soldiers any suspected wrongdoing would never be reported objectively or possibly not investigated at all.

]]> By: Evil Spaniard http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/18/study-finds-pentagon-benefited-from-us-media-embed-program-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-4967866 Evil Spaniard Mon, 19 May 2008 12:27:39 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/18/study-finds-pentagon-benefited-from-us-media-embed-program-in-iraq/#comment-4967866 <em>barfly Says: Now there’s a candidate for funniest home video, if only someone had gotten the confrontation on tape. May 19th, 2008 at 7:35 am Recommend (0) | Report Abuse</em> More moronic and violent people. I really hope they've aimed for their respective privates, and have been electrically castrated, for the goodness of the human gene pool. barfly Says:

Now there’s a candidate for funniest home video, if only someone had gotten the confrontation on tape.

May 19th, 2008 at 7:35 am Recommend (0) | Report Abuse

More moronic and violent people. I really hope they’ve aimed for their respective privates, and have been electrically castrated, for the goodness of the human gene pool.

]]> By: barfly http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/18/study-finds-pentagon-benefited-from-us-media-embed-program-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-4967862 barfly Mon, 19 May 2008 11:35:17 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/18/study-finds-pentagon-benefited-from-us-media-embed-program-in-iraq/#comment-4967862 Since there's no thinkfast yet today, I'll post this here: <strong>2 Colo. men exchange Taser shots over parked van Colorado men exchange Taser shots in dispute over parked van</strong> <em>It wasn't exactly pistols at 30 paces, but police say a security company supervisor and a restaurateur shot each other with Tasers in a "bonehead" confrontation over parking. Officers said neither man needed medical attention after the Saturday confrontation, but Harvey Epstein, co-owner of Mamacitas restaurant, was arrested on suspicion of felony menacing and using a stun gun. Epstein, 36, didn't immediately respond to messages seeking comment left at the restaurant and his Longmont home Sunday by The Associated Press. A police report said Epstein and Casey M. Dane, a supervisor for Colorado Security Services Inc., were arguing over a metal boot that one of Dane's guards had clamped on a wheel of a van parked behind Mamacitas. Dane told police he was afraid Epstein was going to hit him with a 2-foot-long pair of bolt cutters. Epstein told police he had only tried to remove the boot with the bolt cutters and hadn't threatened anyone with them. Epstein told police Dane put his hand on a holstered pistol and threatened to shoot him. Dane told The Associated Press by telephone that he did put his hand on the holstered pistol but never threatened to shoot Epstein. Both men drew Tasers. "They shot each other," Police Sgt. Pat Wyton told the Camera newspaper. "It was just kind of a bonehead deal." The guard claimed the van, owned by a Mamacitas employee, was on property he was hired to patrol. The van owner denied that.</em> Now there's a candidate for funniest home video, if only someone had gotten the confrontation on tape. Since there’s no thinkfast yet today, I’ll post this here:

2 Colo. men exchange Taser shots over parked van

Colorado men exchange Taser shots in dispute over parked van

It wasn’t exactly pistols at 30 paces, but police say a security company supervisor and a restaurateur shot each other with Tasers in a “bonehead” confrontation over parking.

Officers said neither man needed medical attention after the Saturday confrontation, but Harvey Epstein, co-owner of Mamacitas restaurant, was arrested on suspicion of felony menacing and using a stun gun.

Epstein, 36, didn’t immediately respond to messages seeking comment left at the restaurant and his Longmont home Sunday by The Associated Press.

A police report said Epstein and Casey M. Dane, a supervisor for Colorado Security Services Inc., were arguing over a metal boot that one of Dane’s guards had clamped on a wheel of a van parked behind Mamacitas.

Dane told police he was afraid Epstein was going to hit him with a 2-foot-long pair of bolt cutters. Epstein told police he had only tried to remove the boot with the bolt cutters and hadn’t threatened anyone with them.

Epstein told police Dane put his hand on a holstered pistol and threatened to shoot him. Dane told The Associated Press by telephone that he did put his hand on the holstered pistol but never threatened to shoot Epstein.

Both men drew Tasers.

“They shot each other,” Police Sgt. Pat Wyton told the Camera newspaper. “It was just kind of a bonehead deal.”

The guard claimed the van, owned by a Mamacitas employee, was on property he was hired to patrol. The van owner denied that.

Now there’s a candidate for funniest home video, if only someone had gotten the confrontation on tape.

]]> By: Evil Spaniard http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/18/study-finds-pentagon-benefited-from-us-media-embed-program-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-4967860 Evil Spaniard Mon, 19 May 2008 10:26:05 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/18/study-finds-pentagon-benefited-from-us-media-embed-program-in-iraq/#comment-4967860 Oh, and learn what happened to "not embedded" journalists: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Hotel Oh, and learn what happened to “not embedded” journalists:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Hotel

]]> By: Evil Spaniard http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/18/study-finds-pentagon-benefited-from-us-media-embed-program-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-4967858 Evil Spaniard Mon, 19 May 2008 10:15:32 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/18/study-finds-pentagon-benefited-from-us-media-embed-program-in-iraq/#comment-4967858 The rest of the world saw the fiasco of the "embedded" reporters from day one... The rest of the world saw the fiasco of the “embedded” reporters from day one…

]]> By: Al Da God http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/18/study-finds-pentagon-benefited-from-us-media-embed-program-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-4967826 Al Da God Mon, 19 May 2008 04:22:12 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/18/study-finds-pentagon-benefited-from-us-media-embed-program-in-iraq/#comment-4967826 jonny, in WW2 and all wars before that America used propganda and we dehumaized our opponents. Why can't we do so now? Why is it when our enemies dehumanize us the Left doesn't complain? jonny,
in WW2 and all wars before that America used propganda and we dehumaized our opponents. Why can’t we do so now?
Why is it when our enemies dehumanize us the Left doesn’t complain?

]]> By: Juan C. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/18/study-finds-pentagon-benefited-from-us-media-embed-program-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-4967820 Juan C. Mon, 19 May 2008 03:33:15 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/18/study-finds-pentagon-benefited-from-us-media-embed-program-in-iraq/#comment-4967820 Well, not only Transformers, but the whole movie industry in the US is dedicated to the perpetuation of the idea of war being a romantic episode where the braves win and the weak and ugly and bad are defeated. Hundreds of movies are proof of this, or did you watch Tom Cruise in Top Gun saying: "Well, no, I won't go out and destroy those jets. I first have to know if they really invaded foreign space...which of course we have done first, because the Persian Gulf is really really far off from home" Nahhhhh... Well, not only Transformers, but the whole movie industry in the US is dedicated to the perpetuation of the idea of war being a romantic episode where the braves win and the weak and ugly and bad are defeated.

Hundreds of movies are proof of this, or did you watch Tom Cruise in Top Gun saying: “Well, no, I won’t go out and destroy those jets. I first have to know if they really invaded foreign space…which of course we have done first, because the Persian Gulf is really really far off from home”

Nahhhhh…

]]> By: jonny http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/18/study-finds-pentagon-benefited-from-us-media-embed-program-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-4967816 jonny Mon, 19 May 2008 03:20:19 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/18/study-finds-pentagon-benefited-from-us-media-embed-program-in-iraq/#comment-4967816 Al Da God Says: Whya are Jihadists allowed to use propaganda but not America? _____ Because it's a totalitarian technique. Oh -- BTW -- AMERICA doesn't use it. The American RIGHT WING does -- because, of course, they're totalitarians. PSSST -- Plutocracy is TEXTBOOK tyranny. It's OK if you don't know -- they conceal this type of information in books. Al Da God Says:
Whya are Jihadists allowed to use propaganda but not America?
_____

Because it’s a totalitarian technique. Oh — BTW — AMERICA doesn’t use it. The American RIGHT WING does — because, of course, they’re totalitarians.

PSSST — Plutocracy is TEXTBOOK tyranny. It’s OK if you don’t know — they conceal this type of information in books.

]]> By: Juan C. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/18/study-finds-pentagon-benefited-from-us-media-embed-program-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-4967812 Juan C. Mon, 19 May 2008 03:16:10 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/18/study-finds-pentagon-benefited-from-us-media-embed-program-in-iraq/#comment-4967812 I can't speak for Walt at all, but I think he just made a joke. He didn´t try to be insulting. He is not like that. And well, he has studies in Engineering besides being somewhat a genius. On another thing: <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080519/ap_on_re_as/korea_mass_executions" rel="nofollow"><strong><em>Such a beautiful thing </em></strong></a> I can’t speak for Walt at all, but I think he just made a joke. He didn´t try to be insulting. He is not like that. And well, he has studies in Engineering besides being somewhat a genius.

On another thing:

Such a beautiful thing

]]> By: jonny http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/18/study-finds-pentagon-benefited-from-us-media-embed-program-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-4967810 jonny Mon, 19 May 2008 03:15:10 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/18/study-finds-pentagon-benefited-from-us-media-embed-program-in-iraq/#comment-4967810 OneCitizen Says: ... Thanks for the recognition, jonny. _____ De nada. The actual recognition will come when it goes VIRAL. Which I hope to help it to do. OneCitizen Says:

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Thanks for the recognition, jonny.
_____

De nada. The actual recognition will come when it goes VIRAL. Which I hope to help it to do.

]]> By: dbadass http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/18/study-finds-pentagon-benefited-from-us-media-embed-program-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-4967804 dbadass Mon, 19 May 2008 02:48:30 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/18/study-finds-pentagon-benefited-from-us-media-embed-program-in-iraq/#comment-4967804 Well hello there Al Da God Well hello there Al Da God

]]> By: Chocolate Jesus http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/18/study-finds-pentagon-benefited-from-us-media-embed-program-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-4967802 Chocolate Jesus Mon, 19 May 2008 02:46:53 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/18/study-finds-pentagon-benefited-from-us-media-embed-program-in-iraq/#comment-4967802 >Last night I watched “Transformers” > with my six year old son. wow....you know,..now that I think about it, that movie did reek of military propoganda...with a girl with a VERY nice wrack and eyes to help sell it all...man...these creeps really do have their tentacles into EVERYTHING....boy..if Obama can win this, he may actually be the messianic figure his campaign is advertising him as... >Last night I watched “Transformers”
> with my six year old son.

wow….you know,..now that I think about it, that movie did reek of military propoganda…with a girl with a VERY nice wrack and eyes to help sell it all…man…these creeps really do have their tentacles into EVERYTHING….boy..if Obama can win this, he may actually be the messianic figure his campaign is advertising him as…

]]> By: Al Da God http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/18/study-finds-pentagon-benefited-from-us-media-embed-program-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-4967796 Al Da God Mon, 19 May 2008 02:40:24 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/18/study-finds-pentagon-benefited-from-us-media-embed-program-in-iraq/#comment-4967796 Whya are Jihadists allowed to use propaganda but not America? Whya are Jihadists allowed to use propaganda but not America?

]]> By: questioneverything http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/18/study-finds-pentagon-benefited-from-us-media-embed-program-in-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-4967782 questioneverything Mon, 19 May 2008 02:12:14 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/18/study-finds-pentagon-benefited-from-us-media-embed-program-in-iraq/#comment-4967782 Propaganda works. Surprise! Now all of you trolls can go somewhere else and talk about yourselves. That's all you know, that's all you will ever know. Propaganda works. Surprise! Now all of you trolls can go somewhere else and talk about yourselves. That’s all you know, that’s all you will ever know.

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