Comments on: Detainee Reveals Potential Torture ‘Loophole’: ‘Water Treatment’ Is Different Than ‘Waterboarding’

By: job6879

job6879 — Thu, 22 May 2008 23:40:48 +0000

We live in a representative Democracy.
We allowed the Iraq invasion to take place.
Why then should we be surprised when an evil act
results in more evil.

By: RaptorR

RaptorR — Thu, 22 May 2008 21:57:32 +0000

This is first time on this site, and posting this may not come off well, since more proof of impeachable offenses is hardly needed; plus it`ll seem like a sales pitch. But I inadvertently signed up for e-mail notices from a netroots group, AskNadler2Impeach, whose aim, clearly is to either convince House Judiciary Member, Dem. Jerry Nadler to move on impeachment hearings or successfully challenge him in June via their recent Primary Challenger sign-up, George Spitz, an elderly anti-war activist, georgespitz.com

I was e-mailed the above link by the group, and it was suggested the House Judiciary Commitee, mainly John Conyers, Jr. or others be relayed that as more proof. The FBI created a “war crimes file” to record any abuses by military interrogators and other agaencies but then “someone” told them to shut up. If the FBI is not insured against political intimidation, and can be successfully forced into submmission, everyone is in big trouble, though that concept in no way supercedes any of this.

And for those who, with a straight face insist impeachment is a non-concern, I also learned from them that Nadler seems to be also “morally confused” about SSI insurance – in a chain letter I was forwarded, I learned, part of his platform for the 8th District, is, or until recently was, to have it put into the stock market.

By: Evil Spaniard

Evil Spaniard — Thu, 22 May 2008 15:24:45 +0000

So basically, the opinion of Republicans about the GOP VERY DELIBERATE scheme to torture is “Clinton did play with words too, to evade a probe about a fellation”. Nice defense. I wonder why the Nuremberg judges weren’t more interested in the sexual life of the Kaiser than judging the torturing and killing methods of the nazis under Hitler’s orders.

By: kiley481

kiley481 — Thu, 22 May 2008 14:25:02 +0000

“I did not have sexual relations with that woman. Wait … what’s the definition of sexual relations? Oh … yah, yah .. we did some of that.” :-)

By: Jack08

Jack08 — Thu, 22 May 2008 13:46:43 +0000

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By: Evil Spaniard

Evil Spaniard — Thu, 22 May 2008 12:34:45 +0000

As I stated in the Chinese partnership in torture, you can try to disguise it with fancy names, but it’s exactly as the torture by “rogue states” with a dismal record of torture in the UN’s and other Human Rights Violator’s listings:

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/21/abc-us-personnel-at-gitmo-did-dirty-work-for-chinese-interrogators/#comment-4973372

By: Max-1

Max-1 — Thu, 22 May 2008 04:50:55 +0000

ONCE A TORTURER… ALWAYS A TORTURER!

A rose(water treatment) by any other name is still a rose(TORTURE) just the same.

By: southrnbelle

southrnbelle — Thu, 22 May 2008 01:55:29 +0000

So glad we cleared that up!!!!!!!!!!

How ’bout we just call it “Slip ‘n’ Slide?”

Can we just all please fast forward to January 20th, the day we will all be freed from these sadists?

By: johndoraemi

johndoraemi — Thu, 22 May 2008 01:45:26 +0000

A water board is a six foot oval shaped device with fins on which you can ride the waves.

What they’re discussing is called:

DROWNING TORTURE

It’s a felony, with a 20 year max., or a death sentence if the victim dies. This is federal law under the Torture Act and the War Crimes Act.

Toss the term “waterboarding.” This aint’ about surfing.

Replace it with “drowning torture.”

The Crimes of the State Blog
http://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com/

By: stateofthedivision

stateofthedivision — Thu, 22 May 2008 01:14:52 +0000

It adds new meaning to the words, “Hey, Culligan Man!” I take it that’s CullIgAn man.

By: Bluestocking

Bluestocking — Wed, 21 May 2008 21:29:22 +0000

So the Bush administration is dissembling again? I’m shocked, I tell you…shocked!

NOT.

By: DallasNE

DallasNE — Wed, 21 May 2008 21:22:05 +0000

Bush has a much larger legal team in the Whitehouse than Clinton ever had. When you have that many people with idle time on their hands they can dream up some inventive ways to circumvent the law. This is the fruit the American people get for their tax dollars.

Did anybody ask what the Army Field Manual says on such treatment? Somehow I don’t think simulated drowning is in that manual.

By: JMOHR

JMOHR — Wed, 21 May 2008 21:13:50 +0000

We have seen the failure of our executive, judicial and legislative systems to deal with this issue. Perhaps it is just time for the people to pick out the worst offenders and their supporters and just do what needs to be done.

Just think of how many lives and how much suffering would have been avoided had Hitler been taken care of in this manner.

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By: sacopenapa

sacopenapa — Wed, 21 May 2008 21:03:45 +0000

Call it whatever name they want, it does not change what they are: WAR CRIMINALS! THE USA IS A TERRORIST STATE UNDER THIS CRIMINAL ADMINISTRATION. THEY HAVE COMMITED CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY AND WAR CRIMES! THEY SHOULD RECEIVE THE SAME TREATMENT OF THOSE OF THE NUREMBERG TRIALS. NOT MORE, NOT LESS.

By: Klem Kiddilehopper

Klem Kiddilehopper — Wed, 21 May 2008 20:53:51 +0000

Rep Rohrabacher born June 21 1947, Guess which branch of the military he served in, and how long he served in Vietnam?

By: shoeless

shoeless — Wed, 21 May 2008 20:53:44 +0000

Shayne Says:

And rehydrating your esophagus. Do you have to leave a tip?

Yes. But, the tip of what, you don’t want to know.

By: JMOHR

JMOHR — Wed, 21 May 2008 20:50:27 +0000

This is not a dictatorship – this is a managed democracy. Your phones, e-mail, mail and internet activities are not being monitored – the government is merely inventorying potential terrorist activities. Habeas corpus has not been suspended – preventive detention under appropriate security has been implemented.

You get the idea.

There is no difference between water boarding, water cure, water treatment and other similar torture techniques. Each was based upon drowning the person to force a confession. Yes, drowning – it does not matter whether you dunk, use a towel or force someone to inhale. It is depriving someone of the ability to breathe by use of water. No one actually dies of drowning. Read an autopsy report. It is suffocation. Water boarding is merely a technique. I should know, I used to be a prosecutor.

The Republicans want to play the cute, Orwellian word game. We need to stop them. I believe that an appropriate means of doing this would be to have a live televised demonstration of the technique done to a volunteer using both the cloth and submersion technique and them have them describe it. I would suggest that we simply take a Republican senator and do it to him. Any Republican senator that has supported these stupid word games has “volunteered.” The end of the demonstration would be a signed confession that the techniques were indeed torture.

By: trollsbwild

trollsbwild — Wed, 21 May 2008 20:47:19 +0000

They have tortured, only to obfuscate via semantics. What they have not done is have these people CONVICTED yet.
Today, it has been reported that Lebanon has allowed Hezbollah to be part of their government. Additionally, Pakistan and the Taliban have forged an alliance. This eems to indicate a repudiation of the Bush WH foreign policy. Clearly, we are not safer than we were seven years ago.
Meanwhile, the only parties who have benefitted from this fiasco are his buddies in the energy industry. Remember the energy meeting in 2000 with Cheney, Enron, and the oil companies? Perhaps there was another meeting in the last few months, right around the time of the famous press conference where Bush said he did not know anything about $4 per gallon gas, but he was studying oil industry pricing.
Though profiteering was a war crime.

By: And the beat goes on

And the beat goes on — Wed, 21 May 2008 20:41:09 +0000

Fellow bloggers made a little bit of fun of me when I pointed out how the administration had been playing these word games all along — it was the story about Iran “acquiring” a nuke as opposed to “acquiring the knowledge” to build a bomb. Bush and his cronies changed their tune before they finally released the Iran NIE last year that disputed that they have WMD technology. Subtle? Yeah. They play games like this because they think we are too stupid to tell the difference. Sometimes we notice and sometimes we don’t. Don’t believe any words they speak!!!