ThinkFast: May 28, 2008
ThinkFast: May 28, 2008
Former White House press secretary Scott McClellan writes in a new memoir that the Iraq war was sold to the public with a “political propaganda campaign” led by President Bush, aimed at “manipulating sources of public opinion” and “downplaying the major reason for going to war.” McClellan said Vice President Cheney was “the magic man” who steered policy while leaving no fingerprints.
“Pentagon figures show 40,000 U.S. troops have been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder since 2003.” The number diagnosed “jumped nearly 50 percent in 2007 over the previous year, as more of them served lengthy and repeated combat tours in Iraq and Afghanistan.”
“The New York-based Conference Board said Tuesday that its consumer confidence index declined for a fifth-consecutive month, to 57.2 from 62.8 in April,” the “lowest reading since October 1992.”
In an assessment obtained by the Project on Government Oversight, the Pentagon inspector general (IG) estimates that “nearly half of the military’s $316 billion weapons budget went unchecked last year because the IG’s office lacked the manpower.” Auditors are having “trouble keeping pace with the ever-expanding defense budget and combat operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.”
“Iraq’s largest Sunni Arab political bloc has suspended talks on ending its boycott of the Shiite-led government due to a dispute over which positions it would assume, the head of the bloc said Wednesday.” The three-party bloc “pulled its members out of the 39-member Cabinet in August, saying they were not getting enough say in decision-making.”
“The Supreme Court on Tuesday ruled that employees are protected from retaliation when they complain about discrimination in the workplace, adopting a broad interpretation of workers’ rights under two federal civil rights laws.” The decisions are “evidence of a new tone and direction from the court this year,” the New York Times notes.
“At least three Iraqis appeared yesterday before a federal grand jury hearing evidence in the September shootings in Baghdad by Blackwater Worldwide security guards that left 17 Iraqis dead. … The grand jury has also heard testimony from Blackwater personnel and U.S. officials.”
ExxonMobil has “admitted that its support for” climate change denier groups “may have hindered action to tackle global warming,” and it the company announced it will cut funds to many of these groups. The move comes as shareholders, meeting in Dallas today, are expected to “urge ExxonMobil to take the problem of climate change more seriously.”
Ali Larijani, a prominent conservative and a “powerful rival” to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, “became speaker of Iran’s parliament today, clearing the way for a potential challenge against the hard-line head of state ahead of 2009 presidential elections.”
And finally: Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-NY) has close ties to Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY). Weiner is dating Huma Abedin, Clinton’s “body woman” and “ glam body gal.” “I’m doing a lot [for the campaign], but it’s largely because I’m dating Huma,” he admitted. “It’s not a great environment to forge a relationship.”
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Hidden Nuclear Handout Seen in Climate Bill
Major environmental groups are up in arms against attempts in the U.S. Senate to pass a bill that they believe includes a thinly-veiled attempt to promote the interests of the nuclear industry under the guise of climate protection. “This is a covert attempt to bolster a failing nuclear power industry in the name of addressing climate change,” said Brent Blackwelder, president of Friends of the Earth, an environmental group opposed to the use of nuclear energy.
The climate change bill, sponsored by Sen. Joseph Lieberman (I-CT) and Sen. John Warner (R-VA), is likely to be discussed by the Senate in the next few weeks. In a statement, Blackwelder and leaders of five other environmental organizations and public interest groups described the Lieberman-Warner bill as “the biggest federal handout in the history of the nuclear industry over the past 50 years.”
They fear that, if approved, the bill would cost billions of dollars to U.S. taxpayers in subsidies for the nuclear industry. “The bill contains nearly half a trillion dollars that can be accessed by the nuclear energy industry under a vaguely entitled category for ‘zero and low carbon energy technologies,’” according to FoE.
“It’s significant that the authors of the bill tried to conceal the nuclear funding under ambiguous language,” said Joan Claybrook, president of Public Citizen, a Washington, DC-based advocacy group. “Why are they hiding? Because the environmental movement in this country is serious about addressing climate change and will not tolerate a reversion to dangerous, dirty, and expensive nuclear energy.”
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/05/27/9206/
That money would be much better spent developing better wind and solar power as an alternative. See the reason that isn’t happening is because no one has proprietorship. over it. Another big problem they are not considering is waste disposal, talk about expensive and dangerous. But you have to consider the two sponsors, as the saying goes two heads are better than one; these guys are the exception to that rule.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:10 am> Iraq’s largest Sunni Arab political
> bloc has suspended talks
this must be some of that gosh darn "progress" exlexlia loves to regale us about...
May 28th, 2008 at 9:11 amControversy Over County’s Plan For Military Internet Voting
A small Panhandle county that is home to one of the world’s largest air bases is embarking on a sweeping experiment in Internet voting that could transform elections in the 21st century.But the push by Okaloosa County Supervisor of Elections Pat Hollarn to use the Internet to make it easier for U.S. soldiers overseas to vote is drawing fire from voting activists who call her project ”unsafe” and contrary to a new law that requires the state to use paper ballots.
Frustrated by the pace of overseas voting efforts undertaken by the Department of Defense in recent years, Hollarn has championed a plan that will let those living on, or near, three military bases in the United Kingdom, Germany and Japan cast ballots in the November election.
During a 10-day period just before Election Day, voters living abroad will be able to enter a computer kiosk and vote on an encrypted electronic ballot, which will eventually be shipped to Florida via the Internet and then counted. Poll workers will be on site to verify that the person is a registered Okaloosa County voter.
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/05/27/9226/
I wouldn’t trust any vote count in the State of Florida.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:14 amI always kinda got the sense that Scotty McClellan was uneasy about having to lie for the President. Maybe it was just that he wasn't very good at it (competence not being a hallmark of this administration). But now it appears that he may have had a little bit of John Dean in his character.
Good on ya, Scotty!
May 28th, 2008 at 9:15 amScott McClellan's "book" aught to be considered a confession for obstruction of justice on the Plame case...
May 28th, 2008 at 9:17 amGOP Contender in N.M. Linked to U.S. Attorney Firing
White’s campaign refused to respond to questions about the sheriff’s role in Iglesias’s firing.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:17 amPlus, of course, Scotty clearly felt betrayed by Rove and Libby when they lied to him about their involvement with outing Valerie Plame and sending him out there to repeat their lies.
That probably was a factor in whatever candor (or payback) is contained in his book.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:18 amFormer White House press secretary Scott McClellan writes in a new memoir.
McClellan's memoir describes, Rove as misleading and dishonest. Those are two descriptive words, I would use to describe my teenager’s story about why she didn’t make it home til 2:00 o’clock in the morning on a Friday night. As for describing Rove, criminal architect, I think is a much better description.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:18 amI don't think McClellan deserves praise for his 6 years too late confession about Iraq War deception that will now do NOTHING to bring back those who have died in this illegal occupation of a sovereign nation.
Perhaps the only silver linings I can see right now are that we've finally been vindicated by a Republican, and that this will hurt John McCain for his support of the "war" even further.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:20 amChildren in Katrina trailers may face lifelong ailments
"It's just the sickness. I can't get rid of it. It just keeps coming back," said Bouffanie, 27, who was pregnant with her now 15-month-old daughter, Lexi, while living in the trailer. "I'm just like, `Oh God, I wish like this would stop.' If I had known it would get her sick, I wouldn't have stayed in the trailer for so long." The girl, diagnosed with severe asthma, must inhale medicine from a breathing device.
Doctors cannot conclusively link her asthma to the trailer. But they fear she is among tens of thousands of youngsters who may face lifelong health problems because the temporary housing supplied by the Federal Emergency Management Agency contained formaldehyde fumes up to five times the safe level.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3327581
High Exposure to formaldehyde chemical irritants can lead to Reactive Airway Dysfunction Syndrome (RADS), a chemically- or irritant-induced type of asthma. Children are more vulnerable to corrosive agents than adults because of the relatively smaller diameter of their airways. They knew of these risks and more, but still allowed families to occupy these FEMA trailers. Every last one of them should sue the Federal Government, for what could possibly be something these children will have for the rest of their lives due to prolonged exposure.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:21 amBush mislead the public on Iraq? I am shocked, shocked i tell you! Some revelation there Scotty. I love how he characterizes his role as being "misled." Just tell the truth Scotty, you lied for a living. The Administration's lies you parrotted and repeated have left over 4000 Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis dead. It's become quite popular now that Bush has outlived his usefulness to throw him under the bus. Too little, too late for me.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:21 amFormer White House press secretary writes...
Confessions of a war criminal
Nuremberg II for all members of this war criminal administration.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:22 ami just want to say:
thank you, scott...
now, be a REAL real man and stick with it... non of that "suicide" crap... get yourself some protection from your criminal pals and keep going forward...
maybe even do the REAL right thing and talk nancy into putting that impeachment thing back on her table...
i dunno...
but, thanks for the vindication, none the less...
May 28th, 2008 at 9:22 amYou know, I wish this could be like Dallas, and we could all wake up and it was all a nightmare..I NEVER want to hear from or about any of these asshats again, they are ALL to blame and the rats jumping and finger pointing is about to begin in 3-2-1..
May 28th, 2008 at 9:23 amExxonMobil has “admitted that its support for” climate change denier groups “may have hindered action to tackle global warming,”
I haven't bought their gas since the Exxon-Valdez incident. Not that it seems to have mattered....
May 28th, 2008 at 9:23 amHoly mother of crap! Is that THE unbelievable?!?!
May 28th, 2008 at 9:24 amMcClellan himself starting to be thrown under the bus by a series of BushCo attack doggies- just two I've already seen were Fran "I'm a Happy Shill" Townsend on CNN 360 & KKKarl the Big Fat Liar on Fox.
Get ready, Scottie McC, big ol' smearin' steamroller is gearing up to flatten you. What will Dana Barbie have to say in the WH press briefing about her predecessor's super-embarrassing take on BushCo's "honesty"?
Free entertainment watching them all trying to chew up little Scottie. Let's make popcorn.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:25 amHi Wilco! How are you?
May 28th, 2008 at 9:28 amRacial Profiling on Tennessee Voter Reg Cards
The state of Tennessee places a box on its voter registration form for "RACE" -- this is marked "optional", but on some county Web sites, like Tipton County, http://tiptonco.com/dept_election.htm
they add pressure to complete every item by printing, and highlighting, the words "omitting information produces rejected application" right under the form.
That statement would not be a problem if the "race" box was not on the card, and if the felony indicator blank was correctly designed.
Here's a copy of the Tennessee voter registration card as of this posting:
See the rest at:
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_bev_harr_080527_racial_profiling_on_.htm
**This is unbelievable. Anything they can do to gather information to continue to disenfranchise voters seems to be free game. We have to keep a close watch during the upcoming election...like I have said before all the pieces are in place to steal this one too.
(HT:Calibleu)
May 28th, 2008 at 9:29 am#
IgnoranceIsNotBliss Says:
GOP Contender in N.M. Linked to U.S. Attorney Firing
White’s campaign refused to respond to questions about the sheriff’s role in Iglesias’s firing.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:17 am
linkkee no workee, sorree...
May 28th, 2008 at 9:29 amThe average American has their head up their butt. They are too busy watching “American Idle”
What is it going to take?
$10 for a gallon of gas to go from point A to point B?
May 28th, 2008 at 9:30 amGood old Scott is telling us what we all thought for so darn long. The irony is that the Bush Administration was going to restore integrity and values to the WH, and they did just the opposite, and much, much worse! As the bumper sticker says, "No one died when Clinton lied." It is just so darn sad, what has happened to our beloved country because of Bush and company. It will take years to repair the damage they have done.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:31 amI'm so much better now!
May 28th, 2008 at 9:31 amThis place hasn't been the same without you.
If McClellan had flat out called Bush a liar in his book, Kay @ 21, the general public might have looked up from watching teevee for a second. Otherwise, forget it. Bread & circuses way more interesting.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:33 amKay Says: What is it going to take? $10 for a gallon of gas to go from point A to point B?
"The Revolution will not be televised."
People are starting to protest now. They just won't air it.
The Republicans don't seem to understand that if they push Capitalism too far, it's going to fail because we will all be unemployed and unable to pay taxes or spend money that keeps them rich. And then we'll have nothing to do but protest...
May 28th, 2008 at 9:34 amHey Scottie, what WAS the "major reason for going to war."???? Oil? Israel? Imperialism? Are you going to tell us????
May 28th, 2008 at 9:34 amunbelievable, how are you?
May 28th, 2008 at 9:35 amWHere have you been?
How could you just leave me like that?
way to go Scotty Doughboy, where was your conscience when you knew you were lying all along..5 years after the fact,4000+dead thousands wounded, and billions down the tube, and 5 years later, you decide to tell the truth??? Have fun with your royalties from your blood money book!!
May 28th, 2008 at 9:35 amGOP Contender in N.M. Linked to U.S. Attorney Firing
White’s campaign refused to respond to questions about the sheriff’s role in Iglesias’s firing.
correction for #6 comment - thanks tokin librul
May 28th, 2008 at 9:35 amWilco Says: I’m so much better now!
This place hasn’t been the same without you.
You're too kind! Nice to see you again.
So, are we allowed to talk about Obama? :)
May 28th, 2008 at 9:35 amWhen they make the movie about the Bush years, I'm betting that McClellan won't be played by Allison Janney.
I'm just saying....
May 28th, 2008 at 9:37 amGas prices are having an effect!
A couple weeks ago, it came out that use of public transportation and purchase of bicycles has jumped 2-3% over this time last year
May 28th, 2008 at 9:38 amCleveland's public transportation system just announced it's purchasing larger buses, too (they're also slowly switching to more ecologically sensitive buses, too).
Iran speaker warns nuclear agency
BBC News, UK - 3 hours ago
Iran's new parliament speaker has warned that it could set limits on future co-operation with the United Nation's nuclear agency, the IAEA. ...
just keep it up... keep pissin'em off...
hell, i'd be buying a gun too, if i was threatened enough...
May 28th, 2008 at 9:39 amWilco Says:unbelievable, how are you?
WHere have you been?
How could you just leave me like that?
I left a message saying that I was leaving until TP got registration. And then, well, life happened, including a crashed modem. But I'm back now. I'm going to start teaching evening classes at college next month and will be around in the mornings. You can't keep me away from Politics.
I think all these years of blogs has really made a difference in the fact that we're about to have a Democratic majority and President in 8 months. It's really cool to see what a difference the internet has made in changing American politics.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:40 amhuh... usually the "And finally:" post is at least humorous, if not terribly interresting...
that one is neither.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:42 amLast night Olbermann did a piece on Phil Gramm, McSame's financial advisor and his lobbying for UBS and the mortgage industry.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24844889
May 28th, 2008 at 9:43 amPay close attention to the detractors of Scott McClellan's book as they try to discredit his account.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:43 amThey will say he was really an outsider and not present at key meetings.
They will say he is a former employee who has an axe to grind.
They will say he may have felt betrayed by Rove and Libby for some reason.
.
However, they will not say that what he says is false.
They will not call him a liar.
They can't.
>Racial Profiling on Tennessee Voter Reg Cards.
This is so they can selectively disenfranchise fellons whose racial democraphic support dems. It was done in florida, or perphaps attempted to be done, I dont remember. Apprently hispanics in florida have a history of voting republican, and shockingly, quite a few people of hispanic descent in florida were noted as being absent from the felon disenfranchisement list, which was not revealed to the public until a private lawsuit. does anyone seriously beleive there were only 61 hispanic felons living in florida?
http://electionlawblog.org/archives/001498.html
May 28th, 2008 at 9:43 amIs it just my imagination, or are the once robotic Bushco members starting to lose their fear?
For the past seven years of this criminal administration, I wondered why there were no whistle-blowers -- no John Deans, not even a Martha Mitchell. I didn't know if it was bribery, blackmail, or brainwashing, but everybody in the administration followed their marching orders with blind obedience.
Now former members are starting to speak out. This is a real indicator of how the power of Bushco pales in comparison to what it once was. May this trend continue.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:44 amJohn Bolton to face citizen's arrest
May 28th, 2008 at 9:45 amfrom the article I posted:
"After The New York Times examined the data, state officials acknowledged that the method for matching lists of felons to those of voters automatically exempted all felons who identified themselves as Hispanic."
and who gets mad about things like this? apprently no one important enough to hold anyone accountable..
May 28th, 2008 at 9:47 ammiss molly, maybe I'm too cynical, but I don't think it's so hopeful that Reps are speaking out about Bush.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:47 amI mean, the election is just a few months away.
And it would be better for Dems and the rest of the country if the Reps stood by Bush.
So let's keep a tally, shall we?
Previous president, having been investigated time after time, finally gets "caught" having consensual oral gratification, and misleads the investigation with the definition of "sex", and the whole country was divided over the impeachment hearings.
Flash forward to the present. We have a president, obviously a puppet, misleading the country into a "war" that has led to thousands of our own men and women dead, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis dead, countless others permanently maimed and injured, costing us billions of dollars, all for "political propaganda", now even accused by a former press secretary, and we, as a nation, sit idly by and are complacent?
May 28th, 2008 at 9:47 amWTF?
I am not proud, Nancy, of the path you've chosen. Nor should the Exley's of the nation be proud, who were extremely rabid during Clinton's trial, but defend this current administration's lies and deceitfulness.
Clinton's misdeeds hurt his family, and his reputation.
Bush's misdeeds have hurt hundred of thousands of families.
Yet he is given a pass. WHY?
It is time for action. It is time for change. It is time for investigation.
NO MORE CRIMINALS RUNNING THIS COUNTRY!!!
I think one day (sooner than later) you will see a bombshell whistleblower revelation:
9/11 was an inside job.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:48 amFormer White House press secretary Scott McClellan writes in a new memoir that the Iraq war was sold to the public with a “political propaganda campaign” led by President Bush, aimed at “manipulating sources of public opinion” and “downplaying the major reason for going to war.” McClellan said Vice President Cheney was “the magic man” who steered policy while leaving no fingerprints.
Burn in Hell, Scottie. There's blood on your hands, too. Coming out now doesn't bring back any of our soldiers or the innocent Iraqis that your silence helped kill.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:48 am... And you McClellan were the willing accomplice, ready to sell out your country and countrymen. Writing ten more books won't transform you from a worm into a prince.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:49 am#34 unbelievable Says:
I think all these years of blogs has really made a difference in the fact that we’re about to have a Democratic majority and President in 8 months. It’s really cool to see what a difference the internet has made in changing American politics.
Very true. It is one of the main resources to get the facts. The mainstream media won't do their job. Plus, Democrats are better at using the internet to their advantage. Republicans are still in the mindset of having big fundraisers. Obama doesn't have to waste his time when he is kicking McCain's butt 10 to 1 on internet donations. A smart man, he saves time, money and energy into getting out his policies and his vision of the future.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:49 amMainstream media not picking up MSNBC story on McCain's recent lobbyist difficulty.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:51 amMcCain economic policy shaped by lobbyist
Swiss bank paid McCain co-chair to push agenda on U.S. mortgage crisis
By Jonathan Larsen, producer,
with Keith Olbermann
MSNBC
"Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain’s national campaign general co-chair was being paid by a Swiss bank to lobby Congress about the U.S. mortgage crisis at the same time he was advising McCain about his economic policy, federal records show."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24844889
Blogs are great for getting more news out. There are just so many stories that the MSM don't cover.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:51 amraynman Says:
Oliver Stones "W" is in production. Here's the cast so far. Nobody listed as portaying McClellan. Pity, I had read that Paul Giamotti was set to play Rove but it looks like they got Toby Jones (played Truman Capote) instead.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:52 amhttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt1175491/fullcredits#cast
Not one cent for Scott McClellan's book, please. If you must read it to amuse yourself check a copy out from a library or read a pirated copy on your Kindle. This vile creature shouldn't be made rich just because he was saving all his revelations until it no longer mattered. Our country is broke and our reputation is gone. He could have done a lot to change that-- but chose to say nothing until it was too late.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:54 amraynman, my company has imdb blocked!
May 28th, 2008 at 9:54 amWho are cast for the major roles?
Great post DRxJ #43....Thank's for posting....
Good day Unbelievable, long time no see.....Blessings all
May 28th, 2008 at 9:54 amFOX News Uses Clinton’s RFK Assassination Comment To Attack Obama
Now that Hillary Clinton is almost certain not to be the Democratic nominee for president, FOX News conservatives have turned into her most stalwart supporters. Not only did they defend Clinton over her RFK assassination comments, the only thing they found offensive was the Obama camp's reaction. Townhall.com’s Amanda Carpenter accused Obama-supporters of playing the race card to avoid talking about parts of history and Redstate.com’s Erick Erickson griped that Obama is using security concerns to make himself look more important. With video.
Even though I’m an Obama supporter, and even though I found Hillary Clinton’s remark about the assassination of RFK distasteful, I resent the endless news coverage of yet another distraction from the serious issues our country faces just as much as I did the coverage of Rev. Wright and “bittergate.”
Read the rest:
http://www.newshounds.us/2008/05/27/fox_news_uses_clintons_rfk_assassination_comment_to_attack_obama.php
**Amen -- we need to start pressing all three candidates questions like "Do you intend to restore our constitutional rights?" or "do you belived in coequal branches of our government?"
May 28th, 2008 at 9:57 ammisshusseinmolly Says:
... I didn’t know if it was bribery, blackmail, or brainwashing...
all of the above, no doubt...
sam and a guest (?,sorry) were discussing this one sunday...
it's basically job security... people afraid of losing their jobs, their health insurance ect...
there will be a flood of information coming out in january,
if not sooner - as evidenced by scotty's revelations...
keep 'em coming, boys!
May 28th, 2008 at 9:57 amI'm impressed with Scott McClellan. Seriously. Sunshine is an excellent disinfectant.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:57 amFreedom Rebel Says: The mainstream media won’t do their job. Plus, Democrats are better at using the internet to their advantage. Republicans are still in the mindset of having big fundraisers.
I have noticed that a day or two after I read news online, some of it shows up on CNN. The Internet has grown so much that it's now become competition for them, and they have to start acting a bit more like journalists than entertainers if they are going to retain their viewership. It's been exciting to watch Democracy work :)
Obama doesn’t have to waste his time when he is kicking McCain’s butt 10 to 1 on internet donations. A smart man, he saves time, money and energy into getting out his policies and his vision of the future.
It's been interesting how typical politics has failed for the other candidates this year, while change has worked so well for Obama. Very refreshing. It will definitely allow Obama to pick up Western states as a trade off to the reality that the racists in certain Appalachian states are going to give problem a run there.
In fact, I think the election this year is going to break a lot of former benchmarks, and set expectations about what are and are not blue and red states.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:58 amEver wonder whether that whole impeachment fiasco was a Republican strategy to inoculate themselves from accountability? Y'know, debase the whole oversight process to the point where it appears to be just partisan pettiness, so that it will be less attractive for Democrats to pursue?
Could they have been that far-thinking?
Nah, I think they were just petty and partisan, and the debasement of anything having to do with government served their interests.
May 28th, 2008 at 9:58 amI wonder how much "change" will effect his veep selection
May 28th, 2008 at 10:01 amA Patriot Acting Says:
raynman Says:
I had read that Paul Giamotti was set to play Rove but it looks like they got Toby Jones (played Truman Capote) instead.
i heard giamotti also, but the other day i heard it was Richard Dreyfuss who would be playing rove...
now THAT would be special... he could pull it off for sure!
May 28th, 2008 at 10:02 amI love the casting of Rob Corddry as Ari Fleischer. For Snotty Scotty McClellan, may I suggest:
Jonah Hill?
May 28th, 2008 at 10:02 am#39 misshusseinmolly Says:
Is it just my imagination, or are the once robotic Bushco members starting to lose their fear?
For the past seven years of this criminal administration, I wondered why there were no whistle-blowers — no John Deans, not even a Martha Mitchell. I didn’t know if it was bribery, blackmail, or brainwashing, but everybody in the administration followed their marching orders with blind obedience.
**Maybe I am just jaded but I don't think this is "whistleblowing" as cashing in on what they know will make them tons of money. I wish it was coming from a desire to clear their conscience but I don't think so.
May 28th, 2008 at 10:02 amdrxj and ralph,
A few years ago, Henry Hyde admitted the impeachment was partly payback for Nixon.
May 28th, 2008 at 10:03 amWitch1 Says:Good day Unbelievable, long time no see…..Blessings all
Hi Sharon! Great to see you!
Wilco - http://us.oneworld.net/section/us/current
May 28th, 2008 at 10:03 amScotty just admitted that he had information crucial to a grand jury investigation, yet he failed to come forward. Isn't that against some sort of law, like obstruction of justice, or possibly the RICO law?
May 28th, 2008 at 10:05 amKaty, Richard Dreyfuss is actually slated to play Cheney, a role which he could do a lot with,IMHO.
May 28th, 2008 at 10:06 amAlthough the harsh words towards McClelland are warranted, please remember that this is an administration that unfairly deals with "patrons" deemed not loyal(Valerie Plame, anyone?).
But, as a stout Obama supporter, this tell all book from a former White House secretary couldn't have been announced at a better time.
May 28th, 2008 at 10:07 amMcSame indeed!
oh! (should've linked sooner) ...
i see dryfus is playing cheeeney...
please excuse...
May 28th, 2008 at 10:07 amWilco Says: I wonder how much “change” will effect his veep selection
That's a tough call.
A lot of people seem to be pro-Jim Webb as his running mate, but I read a great article about why Webb is a bad idea (mostly his misogynistic past) that changed my mind.
Maybe Bill Richardson? He's got the Govenor experience, the Latino influence, and look at what he's done for his state - they love him there.
May 28th, 2008 at 10:10 amGiant Chicken to Visit Nancy Pelosi in Washington, DC
With the U.S. Congress unwilling to oppose the Bush Administration's request for hundreds of billions more in funding the military occupation of Iraq, one has to wonder what need there is in sending another chicken to Washington, DC. But that's just what Congressional primary challenger Shirley Golub is planning to do.
Shirley explains, "This coming Thursday, May 29 at 10AM (ET), one of my volunteers will dress up in a chicken costume and go up to the West Steps of Capitol Hill, where they will gather with video cameras on the steps of the House of Representatives. What I am hoping to accomplish with this is to demonstrate just how truly useless it is to send a chicken to Congress."
Read the rest:
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/33672
**This could be funny if I regain my sense of humor by tomorrow.
May 28th, 2008 at 10:11 amI can't stand Richardson. He refused to call for Gonzalez to resign because they're both hispanic. What kind of crap is that?
May 28th, 2008 at 10:12 amAlthough his beard is pretty awesome.
I think Hagel would be interesting, if perhaps too much "change."
people have suggested either Gov. Strickland or Sen Brown from Ohio, and those would be interesting choices.
Unbelievable, Richardson would be a great pick for any post, more so on foreign policy I think.....Blessings
May 28th, 2008 at 10:12 amkaty Says:
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oh! (should’ve linked sooner) …
i see dryfus is playing cheeeney…
please excuse…
**Harris moment? Sorry!!!
May 28th, 2008 at 10:12 amJapan promises to double aid to Africa
International Herald Tribune - 1 hour ago
YOKOHAMA, Japan: The Japanese government announced a package of steps Wednesday to help economic development in Africa, vowing to double its aid and business investment as it seeks closer ties with that resource-rich continent.
...
oh, so THAT's how it's done...
y'don't just blow in and bomb the shite out of 'em, huh?
huh...
May 28th, 2008 at 10:14 amWilco Says
May 28th, 2008 at 9:47 am
miss molly, maybe I’m too cynical, but I don’t think it’s so hopeful that Reps are speaking out about Bush.
I mean, the election is just a few months away.
And it would be better for Dems and the rest of the country if the Reps stood by Bush.
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I agree that it's much better for us politically if the rats stay on the sinking ship -- many more of them sink that way.
However, as much as I would like to see the Republicans buried (or at least see the party morph into something representing conservative but honest ideals), I think Americans deserve to see the slime under the rock exposed. It's a country-over-party thing.
Scott McClellan may or may not be entirely truthful. It's possible that he still knows a great deal more than he is saying and this could be a carefully constructed story to throw his former bosses under the bus while saving his own butt and making money off it. However, his act of speaking out may embolden others who have been too fearful of reprisal from the Bushney machine. If we could have a flood of people voicing what they know, we could get closer to the truth and the machine wouldn't be able to discredit all of them.
May 28th, 2008 at 10:15 amBest VP selection for Obama would be Gov Randell of PA. Secures PA, help with Ohio, WVA...Helps with Clinton supporters ( he was Clinton's main man in PA) and gives him the Gov experience...
May 28th, 2008 at 10:15 amKarl Rove will be played by a big dildo with little pig eyes and snout painted on it.
May 28th, 2008 at 10:16 amrandell is another lying POS old school pol...
no way.
May 28th, 2008 at 10:17 amThe character assassination of Scott McClellan is in full force over at RedState.
Here's the title of the post:
When You Suck At Your Job, Quit And Write A Book Ripping Your Old Boss Who Stuck With You
YOU'LL SELL MORE BOOKS, AND YOU CAN GLOSS OVER HOW MUCH YOU SUCKED AT YOUR JOB
I'm going to hunt a little at RedState to find all the posts when Scott was told he sucked at his job while he was in the White House. I'm sure the fine folks at RedState will have historical evidence to support his suckiness.
The Chicago Tribune has a reference to Bush's cocaine use.
It's a good day today.
May 28th, 2008 at 10:19 amGood morning all!
I hear Bush is going to link the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to postwar Germany and Japan six decades ago. Yah, there's an accurate comparison.
Another thing pissing me off today - I received my latest Comcast bill yesterday. They're moving MSNBC to channel 179! Right now it's at channel 63 right next to all of the other news channels. Gee, I wonder why they'd move just that one channel into the stratosphere?
May 28th, 2008 at 10:21 amoh crap...
Specter May Push For Hearings On Disputed Delegates
By: Bradley Vasoli, The Bulletin
05/28/2008
According to a commentary piece appearing today on Townhall.com, Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pennsylvania) condemned the Democratic National Committee's (DNC) decision to exclude the Florida and Michigan delegations from its upcoming convention.
[...]
http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cfm?newsid=19725132&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=576361&rfi=8
butt out, sir.
May 28th, 2008 at 10:23 amThank's for the head's up on Comcast, Mary....Guess I will have to check all this stuff out more closely....What part of the country are you in,? I'm on the west coast....Blessings
May 28th, 2008 at 10:24 amWilco Says: people have suggested either Gov. Strickland or Sen Brown from Ohio, and those would be interesting choices.
It will be interesting to see who he short lists. I'm at the point that I actually trust his judgment based on all the other things he's done right so far.
Will be so nice to have a smart person back in charge....
May 28th, 2008 at 10:25 amhellinabucket Says:
The character assassination of Scott McClellan is in full force over at RedState.
Here’s the title of the post:
When You Suck At Your Job,
For once I have to partially agree with the RedneckStaters. McClellan was the worst liar of all Bush's Press Secretaries. Ari Fleischer was a master liar. Tony Snow, with his extensive training at Pox News, was a professional liar. Dana Perino is too dumb to even know she is lying.
Scotty always knew he was lying, and couldn't keep the deer in the headlights look off his face.
May 28th, 2008 at 10:26 amSomeone mentioned a good choice would be Boxer of Calif, the other day as a VP choice.....I'm just posting someone elses idea here.....Blessings
May 28th, 2008 at 10:28 amI was talking with a friend of mine the other day and we were talking about Bush's various executive orders and directives and his ability to call martial law at any time.
I always thought it would be over the election, a false-flag 9/11 redux or some such. My friend brought up a point which I had not considered: US rioting over the price of gas.
Talk about hitting the nail on the head.
All those currently mostly empty FEMA immigration facilities just waiting for some US citizen to call home.
May 28th, 2008 at 10:29 amI don't know if I trust Obama's judgement, but I am certainly willing to take the chance on it being better than what we've experienced these past few years.
May 28th, 2008 at 10:30 amI think his veep short list will be indicative of what type of administration he'll have. And I hope it includes Republicans and independents, too (Lieberman aside).
Witch1 Says: Unbelievable, Richardson would be a great pick for any post, more so on foreign policy I think…..Blessings
Excellent point. I saw him argue with Lou Dobbs about immigration, and felt that Richardson made the better argument, from his own experiences, which was to consider EVERYONE involved, and include the Mexican government in the solution.
May 28th, 2008 at 10:31 ami like the idea of boxer, or sebelius (sp?) as VP...
but, i hear that would REALLY piss of the clintonistas -
"why not hillary if any woman???"
um... because hillary is a L I A R... and a cheat.
May 28th, 2008 at 10:31 amWow, even Fukuyama is jumping ship! In an interview yesterday:
'ELEANOR HALL: So which president do you think would be the best placed to handle these challenges? Would it be president McCain, president Obama or a president Clinton?
FRANCIS FUKUYAMA: Well, it is a little bit difficult. In my own thinking since I have to vote in this next election, I personally actually don't want to see a Republican re-elected because I have a general view of the way democratic processes should work and if your party is responsible for a big policy failure, you shouldn't be rewarded by being re-elected.'
The article describes Fukuyama like this:
May 28th, 2008 at 10:31 am'He is one of America's most famous neo-conservatives and his ideas on the spread of democracy have informed the Bush administration's foreign policy.'
Wilco Says
May 28th, 2008 at 9:54 am
raynman, my company has imdb blocked!
Who are cast for the major roles?
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Believe it or not, I could get to imdb at work. Here's who they have so far:
Josh Brolin...George W. Bush
May 28th, 2008 at 10:33 amElizabeth Banks...Laura Bush
Ioan Gruffudd...Tony Blair
Thandie Newton...Condoleezza Rice
Richard Dreyfuss...Dick Cheney (Randy Quaid also rumored)
Scott Glenn...Donald Rumsfeld
Jeffrey Wright...General Colin Powell
Ellen Burstyn...Barbara Bush
James Cromwell...George Herbert Walker Bush
Rob Corddry...Ari Fleischer
Jason Ritter ... Jeb Bush (rumored)
Toby Jones ... Karl Rove
Scotty didn't nudge the Chimp under the bus for altruistic reasons -- if you read the Politico article, you'll see he's still in love with Bush.
He's just making a buck, and doing just enough to get us thinking he has a soul.
May 28th, 2008 at 10:33 amkaty Says:
i like the idea of boxer, or sebelius (sp?) as VP…
but, i hear that would REALLY piss of the clintonistas -
“why not hillary if any woman???”
um… because hillary is a L I A R… and a cheat.
May 28th, 2008 at 10:31 am
I thought we stopped being concerned about the Clintonistas when she said, "Obama's not a Muslim, as far as I know." :D
May 28th, 2008 at 10:35 amI'm on the east coast Oh Witchy One. And Blessings right back at ya!
I'm going to write to Comcast to complain but am not expecting a response. The cable/internet/phone companies seem to have us by the you-know-whatskis these days!
May 28th, 2008 at 10:36 amthanks, miss molly!
I should have guessed about Cromwell.
May 28th, 2008 at 10:36 amms joanne - i thought of you the other day when my latest issue
of Yes! magazine arrived...
you should check it out: http://yesmagazine.org/
the last issue was devoted almost exclusively to climate change.
May 28th, 2008 at 10:36 amI think Obama has made very sound judgments (which is why Rev. Wright was the worst they could dig up on him), and will continue to do so.
One thing that impressed me about him is his willingness to include others in the decision making process. That unlike Bush, he actually listens and considers before he makes decisions. I like consensus building in people in positions of authory - it suggests that he will have a diverse cabinet who can offer different opinions, experiences, and viewpoints - therefore truly representing all of the People.
Now, if we can just get him to stop ending his speeches with "God Bless America"... :D
May 28th, 2008 at 10:37 amGood Morning Lady Z, good to read you here.....Blessings
May 28th, 2008 at 10:38 amCaption:
May 28th, 2008 at 10:38 am'Buh Bye, I'm done being a paid liar. When I grow up, I want to write a book about all the lies I was paid to tell.'
Faiz, where are the pictures from your award ceremony!? :-)
May 28th, 2008 at 10:38 amIf the msm were "liberal" they would be devoting wall to wall coverage on the connections between McCain, his Senate record, his lobbyists and his campaign.
But the msm is far from liberal, as we all know.
McClellan's book is a bombshell for Bush&Co, but only temporarily; it will be dismissed in a few days as written by a disgruntled former employee, a guy looking to make a buck, and the Bush minions will deny any facts and opinions contained within the book.
May 28th, 2008 at 10:40 amHow many books have been written by those who have left the Bush WH and blasted the administration? Yet, nothing changes, no fire is started, no investigation is done, no subpoena is answered, no impeachment on the table.
Zooey Says:
I thought we stopped being concerned about the Clintonistas when she said, “Obama’s not a Muslim, as far as I know.” :D
shoulda, woulda...
think how much ELSE has happened since then...
she can't be given ANY slack, that's for sure...
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are you travelling yet?
keep me updated, k?
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outside for me... chores chores chores...
May 28th, 2008 at 10:41 amGood morning, Great Lady. Good to read you, as well. I'm at the hospital -- again. Mom is getting set up with her intensive PT. I hope to be out of Illinois in a week. :-)
Nothing against Illinois, of course -- other than their missing hills and mountains. I had a great time meeting katy!!
May 28th, 2008 at 10:42 amMarie Says: How many books have been written by those who have left the Bush WH and blasted the administration? Yet, nothing changes, no fire is started, no investigation is done, no subpoena is answered, no impeachment on the table.
Maybe Congress isn't paying attention or doing anything, but the American people sure are. We're about to elect a President who won't be perfect, but who really does care about us, and is going to work hard for us. And that will bring justice to the Cons. :)
May 28th, 2008 at 10:45 amGreedy shareholders are to blame for
May 28th, 2008 at 10:45 ama lot of the worlds woes .
Tell your company to put health before profit- god forbide
to stop supporting Sudan
take global warming as fact
dont drill in ANWAR
You get my point!!!!
USA is not ready yet for a candidate to not close with "God bless America". With a name like Barak Hussein Obama and the ocasional sporting of the flag lapel pin, to not reference God would ruin his chances altogether.
How many of the zombies that will vote in November still think Obama is a Muslim based on those silly ass emails that were spammed around?
The Repug smear machine has been crippled but it is very good at staying on message and smearing mud. As much as I disliked Scotty, his book can only help further cripple the machine.
May 28th, 2008 at 10:47 amI hope McClellan doesn't think that telling all (some?) begins to expiate his sins of omission and commission in all of this!
May 28th, 2008 at 10:48 amunbelievable Says:
Now, if we can just get him to stop ending his speeches with “God Bless America”…
ha! or, we could just ask him to chuck it all, or shoot himself...
May 28th, 2008 at 10:48 amWow! Lady Z, So glad you were able to meet another like minded spirit...Good to hear mom's doing better and you will soon be on your way home...
I'm still recouping from a dreadfuly busy long week end..Going to be absent more with the improved weather.Out side yard work will be my goal....
Mary, I had a minor problem with them so sent an email and then followed it up with a phone call....That worked quite well for me but then I did do some wineing and screaming....LOL...Blessings All
May 28th, 2008 at 10:51 amunbelievable, you want everyone to be a godless heathen just like you!
May 28th, 2008 at 10:53 amIntegrity be damned while you're telling the lies, Scott McClellan. You and others like you will do anything to sell a book, make a buck. What's next: tell-all stories from Rice and Rumsfeld?
May 28th, 2008 at 10:54 amoh! ugh...
May 28th, 2008 at 10:55 ami'm sorry i said that last part... yeesh...
my brain was thinking of the old addage: "shoot himself
in the foot"... didn't get it typed though...
ugh...
MissMolly, what, no Philip Seymour Hoffman??
He's an amazing character actor!
Disappointing. :)
May 28th, 2008 at 10:55 amKaty, thanks for the link to Yes!
May 28th, 2008 at 10:57 amThanks for the correction katy, I thought you were channeling Hillary for a minute there.
May 28th, 2008 at 10:57 amZooey, where in Illinois?
May 28th, 2008 at 10:58 amWe were to be in Southern Ill. this past weekend, but our littlest one was hospitalized with kidney infection and dehydration due to the subsequent high fever. 4 nights in the childrens hospital is quite humbling, let me tell ya.
She's fine now, by the way, and feeling as feisty as ever, but alas, we were unable to visit my in laws over Memorial Day weekend.
Ah well, money saved on not paying $4 a gallon of gas.
Ms_Joanne Says
May 28th, 2008 at 10:55 am
MissMolly, what, no Philip Seymour Hoffman??
He’s an amazing character actor!
Disappointing. :)
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I agree -- he was wonderful in "Charlie Wilson's War". Hmmm...maybe HE could play McClellan. After all, the only PressSec they cast (so far) is Ari Fleischer. No McClellan, no Tony Snow, no Dana Peroxide.
May 28th, 2008 at 11:00 amkaty Says:
oh! ugh…
i’m sorry i said that last part… yeesh…
my brain was thinking of the old addage: “shoot himself
in the foot”… didn’t get it typed though…
ugh…
May 28th, 2008 at 10:55 am
I thought you were being funny. You know, kind of like Hillary-funny. :-D
May 28th, 2008 at 11:05 amDRxJ Says:
May 28th, 2008 at 10:58 am
Sorry to hear about your little girl. She's had problems like that before, hasn't she? Scary.
I'm in Champaign-Urbana. Have been for 10 days, and it looks like at least another week. :|
May 28th, 2008 at 11:07 amI vote for Amy Poehler to do Dana Peroxide.
heh
Zooey, I am back in IL now...where might you be? (Glad you stopped dissin' my state, too, toots. ;-) )
May 28th, 2008 at 11:08 amAh, too bad...no time to do a side trip. Heading out to Louisville on Sunday.
May 28th, 2008 at 11:09 amSorry I'm going to miss you, MizzJ. :(
May 28th, 2008 at 11:14 amScotty has come clean a little late. However, the timing is interesting. Right about the time Rove is facing the House. Mr. McClellan seems to be trying to get some payback on Karl.
May 28th, 2008 at 11:16 amScott Mc is like Robert Mc in writing about the mistakes of the past. Perhaps enough people will see what is said now and help them forget how they were complicit in the bloody attempts to impose American control through local puppets.
Many in the repug party are running as fast as possible from w in appearance, but not in actuality. st. john doesn't want to be seen with w except in the presence of true believers, but he wants the money that w can still generate. st. john is trying to reframe himself by making speeches that do not blatantly state the hardline he wants to continue as w's legacy. It reminds me of LIEberman's campaign in CT after he lost the primary. Tell the largest group what they want to hear, but don't deviate from what you had planned before you had to "compromise."
May 28th, 2008 at 11:18 amMs Joanne and Lady Z, the most well traveled ladie's on the site....Wish I were younger, I'de fly every where one could imagine...No fly list or not..LOL....Thinking of moving to NH or Montana...I need a care taker....Blessings
May 28th, 2008 at 11:21 amWell, well, well. So, we liberals were correct all along.
Whaddaya know???
May 28th, 2008 at 11:22 amScotty's trying to get into heaven.
May 28th, 2008 at 11:28 am40,000 U.S. troops have been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder since 2003.” The number diagnosed “jumped nearly 50 percent in 2007 over the previous year,,,
Always remember, these are PEOPLE whose lives are being destroyed, not just our 'military'.
May 28th, 2008 at 11:32 am“Iraq’s largest Sunni Arab political bloc has suspended talks on ending its boycott of the Shiite-led government due to a dispute over which positions it would assume, the head of the bloc said Wednesday.” The three-party bloc “pulled its members out of the 39-member Cabinet in August, saying they were not getting enough say in decision-making.”
And the surge is working hard, actually putting in overtime now to make sure there is a 'window of opportunity' for the Iraqi government to move toward reconciliation.
Slugs move faster than this.
May 28th, 2008 at 11:33 amPerhaps if McClellandTraitor had come clean sooner, the impeachment process might have gone forward.
May 28th, 2008 at 11:37 amHis profits on the book should go to the families of the dead and disabled American soldiers and Iraqi citizens.
RUCerious #130..Bravo..Thank you for posting...Blessings
May 28th, 2008 at 11:42 amanne kornblut explains it all for you.
it's not our job.
May 28th, 2008 at 11:57 amGodless heathens vote too.
May 28th, 2008 at 12:01 pmIraq war was sold to the public with a “political propaganda campaign” led by President Bush.
Translation: I knew, but I wouldn't tell till now so I can make lots of money on my book.
You should have told all a long time ago, Scotty.
May 28th, 2008 at 12:02 pmWitchy woman; flying around the country sounds nice, butttttt, I probably can't. Five will get you ten that I'm on the No-fly list due to my anti-war activities.
I read an article on Alter-Net some time ago(can't remember the author or date), about someone who attended an anti-war demonstration, and, as a result, is on the no-fly list.
Have to go by train, charter bus, or drive myself until those avenues are taken away too.
May 28th, 2008 at 12:02 pm#misshusseinmolly Says:
Now former members are starting to speak out. This is a real indicator of how the power of Bushco pales in comparison to what it once was. May this trend continue.
The problem is that all the people who are speaking out now have a financial gain in doing so. There are no true whistle blowers, you know, the people who do it because it's the right thing to do.
I read an article the other day where the author said that there are undoubtedly hundreds of people in the Bush Administration who have a tale to tell, but they fear losing their jobs and their health insurance and maybe even their lives. Once Obama takes office, I predict a tsunami of truth tellers about the Bush Crime Family. Hopefully it won't be too late to prosecute people.
May 28th, 2008 at 12:05 pmThere is no shelf-life on treason/traitorous behavior ; haul this moon-faced d-bag into court/in front of Congress and get him to testify under oath about Chimpy's Illegal and Idiotic Iraq Adventure and Valerie Plame's outing and then proceed in prosecuting all those involved ; including McClellan himself for participating in covering up everything and not speaking out sooner...........
May 28th, 2008 at 12:09 pmjb, does anyone even court the godless heathen vote?
is there a lobbyist for godless heathens?
May 28th, 2008 at 12:12 pmboth Rove and Dana Perino have characterized McClellan's book as so implausible that it's almost as though he's taken a leave of his senses. Rove: "First of all, this doesn't sound like Scott. It really doesn't. Not the Scott McClellan I've known for a long time. Second of all, it sounds like somebody else. It sounds like a left-wing blogger." Perino: "For those of us who fully supported him, before, during and after he was press secretary, we are puzzled. It is sad -- this is not the Scott we knew." I also love how ol' Turd Blossom, true to form, threw in the old chestnut of the unhinged liberal blogger -- priceless.
May 28th, 2008 at 12:12 pmhttp://tinyurl.com/45qcfq
What do we know about Obama other than his "change" slogan? I don't know. But yea, repeat something over and over again and it starts becoming the truth to people. What is Obama going to do about the huge debt? What is he going to do about illegal immigration? Exactly how is he going to fix the economy?? Other then pulling out of Iraq, I still don't know this candidate and I think people are voting for him only because they don't want McCain.
May 28th, 2008 at 12:16 pmJoe Cantwell: I was reading the Anne Kornblut link you posted and it about made me puke. Scottie's a nice guy. The press should ask WH press secty's questions in a nicer fashion. Give me a frickin' break. Glad she live blogged a bunch of drivel.
May 28th, 2008 at 12:16 pmgitrdone Says:
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Other then pulling out of Iraq, I still don’t know this candidate
May 28th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
That 1 major point alone elevates Obama clearly above McStupid the midget ...............
May 28th, 2008 at 12:19 pmAMcG773 Says:
Scotty’s trying to get into heaven.
That's going to be hard to do with the blood of hundreds of thousands of innocent people on his hands.
May 28th, 2008 at 12:24 pmDon't blame Obama for your own laziness. Obama has made no secret of his positions and programs. It's fairly easy to find, either from his campaign website or from objective reporting focused on his speeches and campaign.
I don't know if you can do better than this, but can you at least try?
May 28th, 2008 at 12:30 pmUncle Ho, your correct....I'm sure I woulden't even be allowed out of my county for all the list's I'm on..LOL.
Wilco, there are many of us who would be considered godless that vote, my guess we are listed along with all the other libral's of faith, no faith and any faith...I don't equate my belief's with who I vote for....I vote for who is going to do the best job in office and who is the best for my country....The only time relegion come's into play is when the candidate uses their relegion to stifle the constitution and our people....I believe in seperation of church and state..Blessings
May 28th, 2008 at 12:34 pmHere is a link to Obama's Issues page.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/
It's up to you to read the information there instead of asking WHY WHY HOW COME? Go on, click away and learn something.
May 28th, 2008 at 12:36 pmNot to belabor, but this is on fiscal issues from Obama's website:
May 28th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
Green Beret electrocuted in shower on Iraq base
KBR noted "several safety issues concerning the improper grounding of electrical devices." But KBR's contract did not cover "fixing potential hazards." It covered repairing items only after they broke down.
Only after Maseth died did the Army issue an emergency order for KBR to finally fix the electrical problems, and that order was carried out soon thereafter.
In an internal e-mail obtained by CNN, a Navy captain admits that the Army should have known "the extent of the severity of the electrical problems." The e-mail then says the reason the Army did not know was because KBR's inspections were never reviewed by a "qualified government employee."
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/05/28/soldier.electrocutions/index.html
That Shrub sure loves those volunteer troops eh?
May 28th, 2008 at 12:43 pmMs Joanne #147...Outstanding...Thank you for posting...Blessings
May 28th, 2008 at 12:45 pmSharon, I was just wondering aloud.
May 28th, 2008 at 12:47 pmThere's some powerful lobbying group out there for every religion, but nothing for the non-believers, it seems.
Atheists need their own Dobson or Robertson!
May 28th, 2008 at 12:52 pmWhere's our Hagee or Parsley?
Do we not deserve our own Jesse Jackson?
ralph the wonder llama Says:
gitrdone Says:
What do we know about Obama other than his “change” slogan? I don’t know.
Don’t blame Obama for your own laziness. Obama has made no secret of his positions and programs. It’s fairly easy to find, either from his campaign website or from objective reporting focused on his speeches and campaign.
I don’t know if you can do better than this, but can you at least try?
Like most right-wing Neanderthals, he doesn't know how to use the intertubes. His 5 year old has to boot up the computer and find Think Progress for him so he can troll.
May 28th, 2008 at 12:54 pmgitrdone Says
May 28th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
What do we know about Obama other than his “change” slogan? I don’t know. But yea, repeat something over and over again and it starts becoming the truth to people. What is Obama going to do about the huge debt? What is he going to do about illegal immigration? Exactly how is he going to fix the economy?? Other then pulling out of Iraq, I still don’t know this candidate and I think people are voting for him only because they don’t want McCain.
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Part of this is because our news media would much rather harp on the Democratic dogfight, Obama's pastor, Obama's various "gaffes", and Obama's "electability" than about what he would actually do as President if elected (they are just as bad with the other candidates, too).
On Obama's website is a printable PDF containing his positions on most important issues, stated very clearly. Check it out: http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdf
If you want to know about Obama's political background and experience, his website contains that, as well as Wikipedia. I'd also recommend checking out both of his books from your local library and reading them.
Want something on Obama that doesn't come from his website? I'm sure you know how to use Google as well as anyone else. You'll get some objective news along with a lot of politically skewed stuff. Just keep in mind when you read the hate pieces that nobody attacks Obama for anything specific on the issues -- it's all about his pastor, the occasional misstatement, and of course the old canard about whether or not he's a Muslim.
If you still know nothing about Obama and see him only as "not McCain", you're just not trying. The information is out there -- even if it's not on your network and cable news channels.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:01 pmWilco, hummmm. ..I wonder if Wiccan' have lobbiest's...My guess, no...We tend to be free thinker's, big time..Since we are all so diffren't in our work with earth based issues and embrasing all people of all faith's it seem's unlikely to me....
My personal opinion is there should be no lobbiest's, period...Seem's to me lobbiest's are whore's for the pimp companies or special intrest's....Boot them all out and get back to the basic's is my thought..Clean air, water and earth, protect all life and end the GD war's would be my main priority....Who need's a whore to bestow gift's from a rabid company on to congress people to vote against our countries best intrest..That's what we have now...We don't need any more Exxon type's steering us into killing off all our wild life and native american's for oil...Just my thought's.....Blessings
May 28th, 2008 at 1:14 pmmisshusseinmolly Says:
On Obama’s website is a printable PDF containing his positions on most important issues, stated very clearly.
He won't read it. The RNC has determined that they cannot beat Barak Obama on the issues, so they put out a directive that their minions in the press and their rabble of sychophants in the public are to remain ignorant of his policies.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:15 pmMs_Joanne, the reaction from the msm get's worse.
check out charlie gibson especially nauseating defense of himself and his cronies in the press...
(sorry if it makes you puke again mj)
May 28th, 2008 at 1:25 pmMs_Joanne, glenn greenwald brilliantly takes apart gibson's bullshit here.
(hope it makes you feel better, mj)
May 28th, 2008 at 1:36 pmUltra-orthodox "Shas" party burns Bibles in Tel Aviv.
The deputy mayor of Or Yehuda, Uzi Aharon, belongs to the ultra-Orthodox Shas party. When he learned about this latest missionary effort, he recruited several yeshiva students to go around the neighborhood, collect the missionary literature, and burn it. In doing so, he seems to have violated several provisions of Israeli law, notably Criminal Code Sections 170 and 172, which forbid harming "in any way a place, symbol or icon of religious importance to a community that imbues that icon with significance" and speaking "publicly in a way that is offensive to people of any religion."
http://www.onejerusalem.com/2008/05/20/where-they-burn-books-they-will-ultimately-also-burn-people/
Barbaric if not outright heresy. Couldn't they just flush them?
May 28th, 2008 at 1:38 pmgitrdone = one of those "mcSAME bloggers", no doubt...
he's PAYING for that?
ah hahahahaha!
May 28th, 2008 at 1:45 pmbandwagon Says:
Iraq violence falls to 4-year low
The U.S. military said the number of attacks in the last week dropped to a level not seen in Iraq since March 2004
The same military that claimed we were merely fighting a few deadenders, just a short time ago? I've got an Edsel that I've been trying to sell, and it runs great! Interested?
May 28th, 2008 at 2:45 pmSo exactly what experience does Obama have? What is he known for? If he does stand for all those issues listed, then what experience does he have to deal with them? Can we trust his judgment based on speech alone?
May 28th, 2008 at 2:50 pmFrom bandwagon's link:
"I had a uncle who was one of the, who was part of the first American troops to go into Auschwitz and liberate the concentration camps," Obama said, slowly and methodically.
Now, a rational person would conclude that the most Obama was guilty of was bad diction.
1. He said "I had an uncle who was one of the first American troops to go into Auschwitz - he didn't say his uncle had actually liberated Auschitz since is was accomplished by the Russians.
2.He then said his uncle was one of the men who liberated the concentration camps. Only someone without an understanding of English could conclude that he claimed his uncle liberated Auschitz. Since bandwagon seems to think exactly that, it's clear he's just another blindly partisan conservative.
May 28th, 2008 at 2:56 pmSo exactly what experience does Obama have? What is he known for? If he does stand for all those issues listed, then what experience does he have to deal with them? Can we trust his judgment based on speech alone?
And what had Bush done before coming into office? Ran a two-bit state like Texas.
Badly.
May 28th, 2008 at 2:57 pm#163.gitrdone...Seem's you are the only ant at our picnic today....I will answer your question with a few more telling question's..1st.When bull shit bush and this administration stole the white house we had a surplus of fund's, (now we are 11 trillion in debt) How come.?..2nd, gas was $1.23 a gallon,and now is over $4.00 Why.? 3rd.. no one had bombed us.Why? 4th none of our previous administration was in bed with the saudi's Why.? 5th we are in 2 war's Why?...All brought to you by the people who claim to be conservative's..6th the largest paid gov. employees in modern time's Why?..7th VP running the country and hiring a private mercenary group.,Why?..Our constitution has been all but abolished with in day's after 9/11.Why?...
Now I know you are very likely a redneck, that's alright but what make's you think we need more of this insanety in our government.?......Haven't the republican's killed enough innocent people in Iraq and our own for oil.? Oil by the way they promised the dumb asses that voted for them they would get......At some point even redneck's and reich winger's must start thinking in their own best intrests, right.?...Blessings
May 28th, 2008 at 3:23 pmDon't vote for a republican ever again..Stop the madness..No more cut it, drill it or kill it mindset of the reich winged party.....Blessings all
May 28th, 2008 at 3:31 pmWitch1 Says:
At some point even redneck’s and reich winger’s must start thinking in their own best intrests, right.?…
They can't do that. They are afraid if they think for themselves, instead of following the dictums handed down from their totalitarian masters, they will become too much like us.
May 28th, 2008 at 4:39 pmanytime a dignitary such as a senator or admin official goes to Iraq, it's a dog and pony show/photo op. What they are shown is a Potemkin Village, a false facade. In no way does it really portrays the facts on the ground.
If you believe otherwise, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you-dirt cheap.
May 28th, 2008 at 4:42 pmRemember when Republican Senator Mike Pence said, "Bagdad is just like a county fair. I got 5 rugs for 5 bucks." What he didn't tell us was that the massive security required for him and Lindsey Graham to walk around a Bagdad market cost US taxpayers 5 million bucks.
Apparently, the right-wingers get taken advantage of a lot. My five year old granddaughter is not nearly as gullible as your typical Bush worshipper.
May 28th, 2008 at 4:52 pm