Bartlett agrees with right-wing radio host: McClellan’s book hurts military families.
Bartlett agrees with right-wing radio host: McClellan’s book hurts military families.
Writing at Townhall.com, right-wing radio host Mike Gallagher argues today that former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan’s new book will cause “pain and grief” for “the families of the brave men and women who are serving their country overseas.” Later, on his radio show, Gallagher asked McClellan’s former colleague, Dan Bartlett, if “a guy like Scott ever stopped to think how he would hurt families in this way?” Bartlett agreed with Gallagher:
BARTLETT: He knew better than most that all this would be doing is pouring gas on a political fire in which, you’re right, some of the victims of all this political uproar are the very people out here in America who are supporting our troops, those who have loved ones in harms way.
Listen here:
Transcript:
GALLAGHER: You know, I wrote today at Townhall.com that the one aspect of this that always gets ignored when something like this comes out. I wonder if Scott McClellan ever stops to consider the pain and the anguish that his words cause the families of those brave men and women fighting this fight right now in Iraq and Afghanistan. I want you to follow with me for this for a moment. If you buy the premise that President Bush deceived us and had goofy reasons for going to war and he went with his gut rather than his head and all that, then you’d have to accept the premise that the war is folly, that we shouldn’t be there, that the men and women who are fighting and dying are doing so for no reason. That, that, so in other words, this media cycle of giving this spotlight to Scott McClellan and his book has to cause — and I’ve heard it from callers who are mothers and fathers and sons and daughters and husbands and wives of the men and women who are fighting for their country. Do you think a guy like Scott ever stopped to think how he would hurt families in this way?BARTLETT: Well, the interesting part about that is he should have known better than most because we have had to deal with books from critics while he was serving as press secretary and we’d have conversation about people who motivated by whatever it may be, but to time these books for political purposes and that’s the irony is that he suggests, or at least is saying it in all these interviews and in the book that this was all aimed at changing the tone of politics in Washington when he knew better than most that all this would be doing is pouring gas on a political fire in which, you’re right, some of the victims of all this political uproar are the very people out here in America who are supporting our troops, those who have loved ones in harms way. And it almost trivializes a very important issue, that being the safety of our country and whether we ought to be going to war. The book’s timing is interesting in the respect that it makes no mention of the enormous progress we’re making on the ground in the last twelve months. I mean, he’s, everybody who is objective can, cannot deny what is happening over there, and the fact that he completely ignores it in the book is a bit troubling as well.
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The brave soldiers, more than any other group of Americans, deserves the truth. They are not getting it from their commanders or the administration. They are on the front lines and are making the most sacrifices. But to Bush – and the dismal right siders – supporting the troops only means using them for campaign PR. Now, McClellans book hurts military families? What next? Puppies and baby kittens are at risk?
May 30th, 2008 at 5:35 pm.
So,
The president assisted in outing a covert CIA agent…
The president purposefully misrepresented the NIE on Iraq…
The president authorize use TORTURE…
And Americans are O.K. with their president doing this?
.
May 30th, 2008 at 5:35 pmMuch better to bury the reality of what this administration actually did….you know, starting a war based on lies with the primary agenda being to further the Republican Party’s domestic goals and consolidate their power while giving their financial backers a perpetual big pay-off.
Yeah, this may very well cause the families of our soldiers a lot of grief…but for very different reasons than Dan and Mike are willing to admit.
May 30th, 2008 at 5:37 pmrogers Says:
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Wether it does or not, his books and his interviews are going to be profitable, and thats all that matters to him..You don’t really think he would have stabbed his former collegues in the back for any other reason?.
May 30th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Stabbing criminals in the back is more heinous to you than lying to the American population and especially to the troops you’re sacrificing to enrich yourself and your despicable cronies , eh RogerRoger ?
May 30th, 2008 at 5:37 pmI am recently retired (22 years Army) and have a daughter serving in the Air Force and believe me this book is not whats “hurting” military families.
I am getting dizzy from all of the spin thats going on by the Repuppetcans. Look the man did some soul searching (if you take his word) and this is what happens when you wake up. Dont worry it will happen to all of you soon. Until then.
RIP
May 30th, 2008 at 5:38 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 In (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq (Where all is NOT quiet, contrary to what George McBush thinks.)
rogers Says:
Wether it does or not, his books and his interviews are going to be profitable, and thats all that matters to him..You don’t really think he would have stabbed his former collegues in the back for any other reason?.
It really tears you up to see your idiot boy king soiled this way, doesn’t it? You support a criminal enterprise while it rapes our treasury. You cheer on the litany of lies and half truths – all to worship Bush. You stand with the elected representatives – OUR EMPLOYEES! – who would rather the truth stay burid forever. If you ever thought of yourself as an American, please stop. You are an Amerikkkan.
May 30th, 2008 at 5:38 pm.
McClellan says: “I didn’t think I was lying when I was following orders to mislead and obstruct the truth from the podium. I was being a Good
GermanLoyal Christian(R).”.
May 30th, 2008 at 5:38 pmOh, okay. the President manipulates intelligence to justify a war of choice, exploiting a national trauma to do so…
but it’s a book describing this travesty by a former WH insider that “hurts military families”?
Jeezus, these wingnuts really have nothing left in their quiver, do they? They’ve gone through their whole arsenal and haven’t made a dent.
May 30th, 2008 at 5:39 pmNow, *THAT’S* low.
Jebus, these people are beyond despicable.
May 30th, 2008 at 5:40 pmGallagher and Bartlett
The Beavis and Butthead of cognizant thought and rationale ….
May 30th, 2008 at 5:42 pmMan, that is one huge load of sh!t Bartlett is shoveling there. He’s like a magician who is all misdirection and has no trick to show at the end of it.
May 30th, 2008 at 5:44 pmThe desperate trial-and-error process moves on from demanding unconditional loyalty to cowering behind military families.
Was that included in the pre-approved list of talking points?
May 30th, 2008 at 5:47 pmNope. I think they’re winging it now.
Winging it is not something rightards do well.
May 30th, 2008 at 5:51 pmIf you buy the premise that President Bush deceived us and had goofy reasons for going to war and he went with his gut rather than his head and all that, then you’d have to accept the premise that the war is folly, that we shouldn’t be there, that the men and women who are fighting and dying are doing so for no reason.
He did, we do, and they are. Is that McClellan’s fault for pointing it out?
May 30th, 2008 at 5:51 pmNot sure who is more idiotic in this thread, Bartlett or Rogers the troll. Close race, say something else stupid Rogers, so I can decide…..
May 30th, 2008 at 5:51 pmWas Bartlett wearing his flag pin when he said that?
Wanker…
May 30th, 2008 at 5:52 pmThe truth cannot harm the innocent Danny, only the pack of pathological liars who used a national tragedy to hijack our government and pervert every institution they could reach. Too bad for you that one of your stooges found a sliver of conscience.
May 30th, 2008 at 5:54 pmIt would hurt like hell to lose a kid in Iraq thinking that he was doing the right thing. To lose a kid in Iraq and find out it was for Bush’s ego, that could piss someone off enough to go after the smirking punk POS. I can see what they are saying.
Cheating on your wife doesn’t hurt until she finds out about it, eh Roger?
You loyalist Bush smag lickers are beyond disgust and heading towards reprehensible.
May 30th, 2008 at 5:54 pmYeah Scott McClellan, stop hurting military families. Everyone knows that is the Bush administration’s job.
May 30th, 2008 at 5:55 pmMcClellen’s book hurts puppies too!
May 30th, 2008 at 5:55 pmHi Wayne
Rogers: Wether or naut you think I will wether this storm is your opinion.
May 30th, 2008 at 5:55 pmBartlett seems to have forgotten his role in all this.
That’s alright, historians have longer memories. His family will be wearing the shame of his perfidy for generations. I hope he realizes that.
May 30th, 2008 at 5:57 pmJust another ridiculous GOP strawman. If Bush hadn’t lied us into his criminal, immoral Iraq debacle there would be no “victim” families.
May 30th, 2008 at 6:00 pmI want these scum to pay. I want them spit upon, humiliated, degraded and pilloried in public where they can be fittingly abused.
To “rogers” in post 1,
You do realize McClellan’s family is extremely wealthy already, don’t you (brothers are all lawyers, mother is wealthy and ran for Governor of TX, grandfather was Dean of University of TX Law School for decades, etc.)?
He doesn’t exactly need money. Also, this destroys any chance he had of getting a private sector job, like Ari Fleischer has done with his right-wing PR firm. There was a lot more money to be had for McClellan for keeping his mouth shut. He would have maintained all his political connections, which would make him extremely attractive to hire in the private sector.
This was not about money at all. If you think it is, you need to put down the Bush kool aid.
Face it; we were lied into an unnecessary war.
May 30th, 2008 at 6:01 pmYou wanna know what hurts military families Mike?
4-5-6 consecutive deployments
having to apply for WIC
losing your seperate rations (app. $260) a month
substandard housing
finding out that the survivors benefits WILL NOT cover the cost to bury your loved one.
ALL OF YOU who continue to use the word “troops” just need to stop. “Troops” are just some faceless, unknown people to you, there will always be “troops” just like there will always be “children” which politicians like to use all the time.
WE are/were Soldiers, Airmen, Marines, and Navy personnel. WE’RE Privates, Specialist, Petty Officers, Lance Corporals, Sergeants, Staff Sergeants, Sergeants First Class, LT’s, Captains, etc. WE have names, we are not just some focus group taht you can use to act as though you care hust because you hapeen to know a guy who knows a guy that has a family member in the Service.
I am tired of all of you who think you’re supporting the troops by following a bunch of people who know NOTHING of what is was like to be a Soldier, Airman, Marine, Seaman. I’m talking about those of us who came in at the lowest rank possible and rose up thru the ranks, those of us whose job it was to mentor, teach, and protect OUR Soldiers. Not some spoon fed civilian in uniform wearing stars selling us out.
Where is your support for the “troops” when they leave the service? Where are you when they’re struggling to get by, trying to find a job, find peace of mind, where the hell is the support then? Where are you when they cant get into school because they have no benefits? Where are you when they’re walking the streets suffering from PTSD? OOh I know enjoying your stimulus refund, or rudely pushing past my wife and I in line until you walk outside and see my “retired” license plate and Ribbons of my fallen Soldiers on my vehicle.
It’s you the unmoved, the unlearned, the un-involved, who are hurting military families
Period
RIP
May 30th, 2008 at 6:01 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
That’s not fair, Wayne. If you give rogers another chance to say something stupid, he’s always going to win.
May 30th, 2008 at 6:02 pmJesus, I never cease to be amazed at the number of ways that Republicans prove to the world that they are DUMBER and more IGNORANT than mud.
May 30th, 2008 at 6:02 pmBartlett agrees with right-wing radio host: McClellan’s book hurts military families.
Should we also blame the book for the imbecilic and illegal decision to invade and occupy Iraq , the faltering economy , out-of-sight gas prices , our crumbling infrastructure , and criminal acts being performed non-stop by this garbage administration , too ?
Or is that all still Clinton’s fault ?
May 30th, 2008 at 6:02 pmBrianFL, please don’t assault the troll’s talking points with facts. It’s unkind.
The trolls have so little (and rogers has less than most).
May 30th, 2008 at 6:03 pmThis was not about money at all. If you think it is, you need to put down the Bush kool aid.
Face it; we were lied into an unnecessary war.
Excellent point. Do not expect our troll to understand what you wrote, however. To much sense is bad for Neocons.
May 30th, 2008 at 6:04 pmI apologize for making so many errors. I will not let my emotions get the best of me.
Sorry
May 30th, 2008 at 6:05 pmTired Of Fighting Says:
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I apologize for making so many errors. I will not let my emotions get the best of me.
Sorry
May 30th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
Passion should never be discouraged……….The meaning/content of your message matters more than the punctuation and spelling.
May 30th, 2008 at 6:09 pmDo you think a guy like GDumbya ever stopped to think how he would hurt families in this way?
There, I fixed it for you Little Mikey.
May 30th, 2008 at 6:10 pmShoot the messenger! shoot the messenger! Ad hominem attack attack attack….bury the facts with outrage…quick quick quick.
Only good little nazies may apply here.
May 30th, 2008 at 6:10 pmPatriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
-Samuel Johnson
Watching these vile humans savaging others is like watching jackals on a sick sheep.
May 30th, 2008 at 6:13 pmMCMetal Says:
Passion should never be discouraged……….The meaning/content of your message matters more than the punctuation and spelling.
I truly appreciate that.
May 30th, 2008 at 6:15 pmOne wonders if Bartlett and Gallagher also believe that Mary Tillman’s book about her son, Pat Tillman, and the suspicious circumstances regarding his death, would also hurt military families. The hope is her book will finally allow the military families to realize that they have been lied to by their government and that they should have no hesitation in expressing their anger at an uncaring government, when a representative from the military knocks on their door to tell them that “The Secretary of the Army regrets to inform you that …”
May 30th, 2008 at 6:16 pmIt was such a powerful post with so much meaning that I for one did not notice even one error. Thank you for posting and for your service and that of your family and friends.
May 30th, 2008 at 6:21 pmWhat hurts military families is the LIES that Bush told that has gotten their people killed.
Rogered (up the arse), keep flinging that poop, drunken monkey, I’m sure you can make something stick sooner or later.
May 30th, 2008 at 6:21 pmScott is hurting military families by telling the truth, a truth we all knew before he said it. But Bush is not hurting military families by starting an unnecessary war that gets their sons and daughters killed or maimed. And then when they come home with PTSD, or crippled, there is no support for them, they are told to “buck up”.
These people are vile and despicable. Thank god we only have to put up with them for another 8 months. They will be a very long eight months, though.
May 30th, 2008 at 6:28 pmTo Tired of Fighting:
Thanks for saying what needs to be heard. No apologies are necessary.
Many participants on this site feel exactly the same way you do, but cannot speak with the same credentials you possess, nor articulate what they feel deep down inside as well as you have. I felt your anger and concern in your words.
You have written in such a way to touch the emotions of others.
May 30th, 2008 at 6:30 pmTired Of Fighting Says:
It’s you the unmoved, the unlearned, the un-involved, who are hurting military families
Period
RIP
SGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
May 30th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
Well said, TOF. Thank you.
May 30th, 2008 at 6:30 pmOh no — we certainly don’t want to hurt the military families now, do we? It’s much better for them if we keep this farce going under a cloak of blatant lies, isn’t it?
/snark off
May 30th, 2008 at 6:31 pmWhere are these sick fcks? They post here in anonymity, but you can bet they never identify themselves in public where they would have to ’splain themselves.
Roger, you and your ilk are pathetic, weak losers that have to have a father figure to tell them what to think and do.
You really should sue your parents for doing such a bad job, they raised a miserable excuse of a human. There’s not a court in the world that wouldn’t agree.
May 30th, 2008 at 6:33 pmrogers Says:
You don’t really think he would have stabbed his former collegues in the back for any other reason?
Just guessing, but maybe it had something to do with how his former colleagues sent him out to tell their lies every day for years, then kicked him out when they felt he was all used up.
May 30th, 2008 at 6:34 pmIt does “hurt” when you find out you have been betrayed and lied to.
Nobody like to be made a fool of.
May 30th, 2008 at 6:34 pmrogers = clueless
May 30th, 2008 at 6:44 pmLet me see if I get this right: Assuming arguendo that this was a worthless war and the lives of our fighting men and women were wasted for no good reason, IT IS THE ETHICAL AND MORAL ACT TO HIDE THIS FROM THE PUBLIC TO PROTECT THE FEELINGS OF THE FAMILIES WHO LOST THEIR LOVE ONES FROM THE PAIN OF KNOWING THAT THEIR SACRIFICE WAS IN VAIN.
Kind of ranks right up there with the WE MUST DESTROY THIS VILLAGE TO SAVE IT. Or the sentiment of those living in the security state: WHAT GOOD IS FREEDOM IF YOU ARE DEAD?
Do they not realize that their view would result in thousands of more deaths both of our soldiers and the Iraqi people because the war will continue indefinitely because the truth is not known?
May 30th, 2008 at 6:46 pmDan and Mike are two peas in a pod both huge, very huge suck-ups when it comes to Sky King George!
May 30th, 2008 at 6:50 pmCheck out this picture of Mike Gallagher in uniform! No, he never served but he dressed up like a cross between a Trailways and Greyhound Bus driver ( my apologies to both companies)
http://www.gallaghersarmy.com/images/GAFgui11-13-4_ GenMG.jpg
OMG! The WH and some of these pundits have taken the rhetoric to absurdity and are turning this thing upside down. Words to garner public hatred of McClellan peppered with biblical reference to Judas and traitor, and betrayal of military and their families, demonstrates just how void of true leadership the WH has become.
May 30th, 2008 at 6:51 pmFor the Photo:
May 30th, 2008 at 6:52 pmhttp://www.gallaghersarmy.com/image/GAFgui11-13-4_GenMG.jpg
http://www.gallaghersarmy.com/image/GAFgui11-13-4_GenMG.jpg
May 30th, 2008 at 6:54 pmRogers you are indeed a moron. When Perino apologizes in a year, along with thte res tof the criminals who no longer the (idiot) alpha dog, there will be no quarter for her either. Do you see anyone here defending Mclellan? NO.
May 30th, 2008 at 6:55 pmGALLAGHER: You know, I wrote today at Townhall.com that the one aspect of this that always gets ignored when something like this comes out. I wonder if Scott McClellan ever stops to consider the pain and the anguish that his words cause the families of those brave men and women fighting this fight right now in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I wonder if Bush or the warmongering pundits who cheered him on “stop[ped] to consider the pain and the anguish” that his unnecessary war has caused those families?
The notion that questioning bad decisions is somehow worse than the bad decisions themselves is mind boggling.
http://progressiveworldreview.com
May 30th, 2008 at 6:56 pmI don’t know why there’s a space after 4 there’s suppose to be a _ I’m fairly new to this, just joined the 21st century after leaving the 19th.
May 30th, 2008 at 6:56 pmWhich hurts military families more…
May 30th, 2008 at 6:59 pmA. Mclellan growing a conscience and telling the truth
or
B. Putting troops in harms way for NO GOOD F*N REASON?
rogers Says:
I assume when perino comes out with a tell-all in a year or so after stepping down, all will be forgiven…right?.
Only if it has pictures.
May 30th, 2008 at 7:08 pmRogers, like the police in any investigation, we are willing to accept a relatively small-time gangster’s testimony to go after the head of the crime family (in this case the Bush Crime Syndicate).
May 30th, 2008 at 7:14 pmIs English a second or third language for rogers? If so, I apologize for impugning his intellect based on his language skills.
Although his reasoning ability provides ample demonstration of the limitations of his intellect…
May 30th, 2008 at 7:15 pmRogered (up the arse) you are still showing us just how utterly stupid you are, thanks.
May 30th, 2008 at 7:28 pm“right-wing radio host Mike Gallagher”
STOP right there!
Why the hell should I care what a PAID PROPAGANDA SPECIALIST is saying?
It’s like I should worry that a coal industry lobbyist is saying that coal is the energy of the future, or an NRA lobbyist shouting that guns are good to society.
May 30th, 2008 at 7:28 pmDoes hurting our troops include entering into an illegal war to invade a sovereign nation?
May 30th, 2008 at 7:30 pmOr keeping them there in an occupation of a foreign land? Defending Corporate interests?
Bartlett is correct it’s important that Military families not know the White House set all this up and our soldiers died based on lies. Bartlett knows that once it sinks in that all the bull told to Military Families was just that bull. Bartlett need not worry the soldiers already know they were lied to and that’s why they don’t suggest others join the US Military. No one General nor the Pentagon is working in the interest of the soldiers they follow the corrupt orders of the White House as they seek to steal oil from Iraq.
May 30th, 2008 at 7:30 pmGuess the blast-fax/Mighty Wurlitzer “talking points” machine is cranked up. The RW foamers are already writing LTTEs with just this claim.
Cheers,
May 30th, 2008 at 7:35 pmLOL are you kidding me? Exactly HOW is McClennon “hurting” American Military families? The only one hurting American Military families is that Dictator, War Monger of a president we have. Its based on HIS LIES that we are even there to begin with! I mean think about it?
JT
May 30th, 2008 at 7:41 pmOnline Privacy when it Matters
“Scott McClellan’s new book will cause “pain and grief” for “the families of the brave men and women who are serving their country overseas.”
Dsmn right! Pain, Grief, Anger and Disgust that you’ve been duped into sacrificing your life and freedom for the morally bankrupt, criminally insane, Fascist,lying Bushies!
i just can’t believe how lame the wingnuts arguments are.
May 30th, 2008 at 8:03 pmExactly right. Desperation.
Des-Per-A-Shun.
May 30th, 2008 at 8:07 pmI can’t deny that McClellan’s allegations and accusations are probably causing a certain amount of grief among the families of people who served and/or are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan — but the people nevertheless deserve to be told the truth, and sometimes the truth hurts. If the military families are angry about the material in this book, attacking McClellan is merely “shooting the messenger”. Admittedly, he still deserves a small portion of this anger given the fact that he was a willing participant in the illusion which he’s now decrying — however, McClellan was not responsible for setting policy, only reporting it. The real culprits in this scenario were the ones who set the policy — namely Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, Rice, Rumsfeld, etc.
May 30th, 2008 at 8:23 pmrogers,
We’re offering a NEW degree program in Authoritarianism
(BS/BA). We encourage you to apply.
Good luck in your fascist career goals.
Regards,
Dean of Admissions, Regent University
May 30th, 2008 at 8:24 pmQ: Do these pants make me look fat?
A: No, it’s your fat that makes you look fat.
Q: Will McClellan’s new book cause pain and grief to the troops and their families?
A: No, it’s the lies that stampeded us into the Iraq war, that are causing the pain and grief.
May 30th, 2008 at 8:25 pmblack is white, white is black … NO LONGER!
They can say whatever, but the TRUTH Is what is hurting them and making them go haywire. The real question should be addressed to bush the killer before he went to war based on LIES:
“a guy like george w bush ever stopped to think how he would hurt families in this way?”
May 30th, 2008 at 9:29 pm“Bartlett agrees with right-wing radio host: McClellan’s book hurts military families.”
Mr. Bartlett, the truth is hurting all decent and trusting Americans, not just military families.
The right wing thugs in this country are trying to shoot the messenger. There has been nothing but non-spot character assassination of McClellan’s since his book came out. All the thugs can do is engage in name-calling, and not address anything specific that McClellan talked about. It is the method of immoral tyrants. They expect blind loyalty more than anything else, as if they are the Lord, when they are really a society of criminals.
Unfortunately for the crackpot right, most Americans will admire and respect McClellan for what he wrote.
Don’t let the thugs get you down, Scott. They cannot defeat the truth as hard as they try.
Drop dead, FauxNews, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS and whole stinking rotten lot of you.
May 30th, 2008 at 9:29 pmYou know what “hurts miitary famiies” more than finally revealing that their loved ones were sent to war on a lie?
ACTUALLY SENDING THEIR LOVED ONES TO WAR ON A LIE!
May 30th, 2008 at 9:35 pmIf the Truth hurts, bear it.
May 30th, 2008 at 9:40 pmSending troops for multiple rotations also hurts military families, something cowards who never served would not understand. Most of the warmongering chickenhawks in this administration and the GOP are cowards who never served.
May 30th, 2008 at 11:33 pmDead soldiers hurt military families, not truth.
May 31st, 2008 at 1:08 amSentimentalisation and subjectivisation can be used to decontextualise any political issue – leftists can use the same tactics if they are equally unscrupulous, at least in theory. However, if you have rival viewpoints each sentimentalising and subjectivising an issue, then the viewpoint with the most outlets wins.
Incidentally, “terror” and “terrorism” are already subjectivisations. The “war against terror” is a war against a subjective emotional state, and even thinking about it, let alone making war on it, makes the “terror” worse, this being the nature of emotions.
May 31st, 2008 at 2:02 amI provided direct support to our troops for over 35 years, first as an active duty soldier, later as a civilian employee of DoD, mostly overseas, providing library and educational support to active duty troops and their families. When I see one of those silly yellow ribbon decals on an SUV I want to grab the driver by the throat and ask him or her to tell me just exactly what they do to “Support Our Troops.”
Just like the neo-cons they’re usually all talk and no meaningful action. It’s just feel-good BS to take their minds off the fact that they’ve asked other people to die for something they say they believe in but are unwilling to die for themselves. They’re below disgusting.
It will be interesting to see in November just who “the troops” think is hurting them most. So far, I hear a lot of concern that McCain just doesn’t get it coming from the ranks.
October surprise? I would put nothing past these conservative vermin.
May 31st, 2008 at 2:53 amI’ve been following the ‘Yearning for Zion’ case in the US papers, and I noticed a nice example of sentimentalisation and subjectivisation as the closing paragraph of the current NYT story on it – i.e. the paragraph that leaves the final impression in the reader’s mind:
“One member of the church, Willie Jessop, a contractor and rancher in Utah who came to Texas after his sister’s children were taken into custody, said hope and anxiety were both running high among the families in about equal measure. “The parents have been on this roller coaster ride now for so long,” Mr. Jessop said. “They’ve been told so many times that they could get their children back: if they go to the shelters they could get their children back, if they submit DNA they could get their children back. There have been so many conditions already, and still they do not have their children back.””
May 31st, 2008 at 3:04 amhttp://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/31/us/31raid.html
Now that’s some real “americana”
May 31st, 2008 at 3:09 amthe LA Times, as usual, is a lot better than the NYT:
“Now, activists who long have complained that officials looked the other way while the sect practiced “divinely inspired” underage marriage are at a loss. “Who’s going to ever touch them again?” asked Flora Jessop, who fled a polygamous marriage as a teen. She was on the verge of tears Friday morning. “For something like this to happen, it kind of makes you wonder why you fight for stuff in this country.””
May 31st, 2008 at 5:08 amhttp://tinyurl.com/6qrq69
But does mr bartlett have any idea who put these vunerable families in harms way in the first place?
The lies have just spun these creeps out of control too many times. It’s time for their crash and burn.
May 31st, 2008 at 7:37 amBut does mr bartlett have any idea who put these vunerable families in harms way in the first place?
The lies have just spun these creeps out of control too many times. It’s time for their crash and burn.
May 31st, 2008 at 7:37 amThe real harm has been done by the destructive demagogues who deceived us, dragged us into an immoral “preemptive” war for political and personal gain, and who broke law after law and perverted the course of justice in America. McClellan is not without blame, himself, but Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, Rice, and, in the end, even Colin Powell, must bear the heavy burden which they have inflicted on the American people and especially on those who serve in our armed forces and their families!
May 31st, 2008 at 8:17 amI think most of the troops know they’re stuck in the Iraq shithole. The reasons why they’re stuck there shouldn’t be concealed from them.
May 31st, 2008 at 9:49 amThey’re coming home soon, and then we have to deal with their medical and psychological needs for decades.
For a pack of lies. Period.
Getting soldiers killed and wounded doesn’t hurt the troops or their families. Killing thousands upon thousands of Iraqis doesn’t cause any upset. But saying maybe the war’s not vitally necessary, THAT hurts the troops.
These cowards spit venom and bile and then hide behind volunteer soldiers rather than defend their own cause. They are scum.
May 31st, 2008 at 10:19 amThe pain and agony should be directed at GWB not Scott for reporting it. Bush caused the war by misleading the nation and cherry picking the intel to drive the agenda. This is yet another right wing talking point from the Karl Rove 101 playbook. “Say their hurting the troops”. Been there done that countless times.
May 31st, 2008 at 10:20 amThat’s right! The idiot has hurt many military families! The idiot started the criminal war! McClellan’s book exposes the truth for all to see. All of you neocons that support the idiot can go to hell! It was the IDIOT who misled this country on false pretenses to invade Iraq! The criminal idiot behind everything : 9/11, the war, the current economic crisis, etc. Every morning I pray for his death!
May 31st, 2008 at 11:57 amSo what hurts military families more? The truth or lies, endless wars, suicides, rockets, a terribly run VA, sub-standard body armor, Shhhhhhh! PTSD, stop-loss, Halliburton, PTSD, bombs, traumatic brain injury, extended tours of duty, amputations, reduced basic training, IEDs, DynCorp, under-armored vehicles, crappy benefits, lowered recruiting standards, EFPs, back door draft, obsolete equipment, bullets…
-AF
May 31st, 2008 at 2:12 pmAndrew Sullivan Is A Fraud