All you’ve earned is the right to be silent, while others fix your ham-handed mistakes.

barfly. You’re sounding like a pre war conservative more and more every day.

No democracy has ever been successfully installed by and invader. Ever. Your wishing amounts to wishing Iraqis would just act like us, which ain’t gonna’ happen – ever. My question to you, is don’t you think you have squandered the right to be concerned about Iraq, after nearly six years of being proven wrong? All you’ve earned is the right to be silent, while others fix your ham-handed mistakes.

June 2nd, 2008 at 1:12 pm

No sweat , I gotta’ jet , too.

Time to go work as a “Rock God”……….

Should be “The Civil War”

June 2nd, 2008 at 12:59 pm

Umm , no

The Civil War’s originally WAS NOT FOUGHT OVER SLAVES OR TO GIVE THEM RIGHTS ; The War Between the States began because the South demanded States’ rights and were not getting them. The Congress at that time heavily favored the industrialized northern states to the point of demanding that the South sell is cotton and other raw materials only to the factories in the north, rather than to other countries. The Congress also taxed the finished materials that the northern industries produced heavily, making finished products that the South wanted, unaffordable.

The Civil War should not have occurred. If the Northern States and their representatives in Congress had only listened to the problems of the South, and stopped these practices that were almost like the taxation without representation of Great Britain, then the Southern states would not have seceded and the war would not have occurred.

Democracy , especially how we here in the US view it , has to be wanted ; the Iraqis have never claimed they all want a democracy similar to ours…………

How do you “promote” democracy , when you’re attempting to spread it initially at the tip of an M-16 ?

That doesn’t make a whole helluva’ lot of sense…………

We fought the civil war for the freedom of slaves. It took guns to fight for the rights of black people.

Some people in Iraq don’t want democracy. The M-16’s are there to protect those that do.

Democracy is an institution that we cherish for good reason. It gives a voice to the less powerful. It’s not a bad thing to wish it for the Iraqis.

June 2nd, 2008 at 12:42 pm

AGAIN

IT IS NOT OUR DECISION

Let the Iraqis vote on it ; you and the rest of the Chimpy backers were gushing over the “purple fingers” that actually didn’t amount to jack shit , save an increase in profits for soap companies to wash that stupid shit off.

BTW backup

How do you “promote” democracy , when you’re attempting to spread it initially at the tip of an M-16 ?

That doesn’t make a whole helluva’ lot of sense…………

June 2nd, 2008 at 12:38 pm

Post a “one-finger salute” to crapwagon for me………

I’m not advocating more occurring ; but doesn’t it give us the righteousness we pretend to already possess if we are not the cause of human rights violations to begin with or are a part of them ?

MCMetal. I know you don’t want more abuse to happen and I know that our presence has caused and is causing abuses and inflamed tensions.

But, what I’m saying is this: The debate should now be: Are we causing more harm than good by being there? We want to leave, but is there jeopardy in pulling out to abruptly? Should we strive to help promote what democracy Iraqis have, or would it be more appropriate to let those in the region decide, even if it means a less tolerant Islamic theocracy in regards to human rights?

I understand the idea of self determination. The Iraqis should decide their leadership on their own terms. But, even that is not black and white, when you consider the Darfur example. Most agree we shouldn’t turn our backs on Darfur and allow genocide, even if it is their choice. Similarly, do we turn our backs on the victims of Islamic intolerance in Iraq, just because we believe it is the choice of the more powerful?

June 2nd, 2008 at 11:47 am

As would your pansy bully , Falafel O’Lielly of you , crapwagon………..

June 2nd, 2008 at 11:45 am

And you , also ……….

June 2nd, 2008 at 11:31 am

How many human rights violations have “we” (actually , the Chimpy administration) already committed there ?

I’m not advocating more occurring ; but doesn’t it give us the righteousness we pretend to already possess if we are not the cause of human rights violations to begin with or are a part of them ?

It’s the first time it’s caused me to consider that democracy doesn’t necessarily equate to more freedom. The Jordan example was excellent.

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Scumbags………………

I’m not sure. Power over someone that is helpless? I agree they are scumbags..

Have a great day McMetal!! Good to see you here this morning.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/02/08/iraq.women/index.html#cnnSTCVideo

We can agree that it is the removal of Saddam that has made the the predictament worse for Basra’s women. And has exposed than more to the intolerance of Islamic fundamentalism. I’m not debating that.

But I don’t see how withdrawing prematurely (before the Iraqi security forces are adequate), will improve the situation.

The attacks on the women of Basra have intensified since British forces withdrew to their base at the airport back in September, police say. Iraqi security forces took over after British troops pulled back, but are heavily infiltrated by militias.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/02/08/iraq.women/index.html