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	<title>Comments on: Swift Boat Vets PR Firm Now Pushing Abstinence-Only Education Campaign</title>
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		<title>By: bitblt</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/03/abstinence-campaign/comment-page-2/#comment-4996516</link>
		<dc:creator>bitblt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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ralph the wonder llama Says:
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June 3rd, 2008 at 12:31 pm
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&lt;strong&gt;All youth deserve the best.&lt;/strong&gt;

Believe this was the point of the quoted material in bit’s first post.


Unbelievable, RTWL writes a post that actually acknowledges that someone needs to be responsible. bit would note this post as one of RTWL’s more useful and more appreciated posts. 



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But abstinence is unworkable as a strategy for a society as a whole to reduce those problems among its youth.
&lt;/em&gt;

bit agrees. See the bit’s last post to dbadass on a man and a woman being one flesh in a marriage. 

Apparently society is now at a point where it doesn’t have any “best advice” to give. There is apparently no “collective wisdom” in today’s society like there is in the “one flesh” quote above.


Passing another signpost on the way to being a society not worth preserving.</description>
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ralph the wonder llama Says:<br />
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June 3rd, 2008 at 12:31 pm<br />
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<p><strong>All youth deserve the best.</strong></p>
<p>Believe this was the point of the quoted material in bit’s first post.</p>
<p>Unbelievable, RTWL writes a post that actually acknowledges that someone needs to be responsible. bit would note this post as one of RTWL’s more useful and more appreciated posts. </p>
<p><em><br />
But abstinence is unworkable as a strategy for a society as a whole to reduce those problems among its youth.<br />
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<p>bit agrees. See the bit’s last post to dbadass on a man and a woman being one flesh in a marriage. </p>
<p>Apparently society is now at a point where it doesn’t have any “best advice” to give. There is apparently no “collective wisdom” in today’s society like there is in the “one flesh” quote above.</p>
<p>Passing another signpost on the way to being a society not worth preserving.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4996516', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: bitblt</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/03/abstinence-campaign/comment-page-2/#comment-4996508</link>
		<dc:creator>bitblt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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dbadass Says:

Ah but now I would have to ask whose creater and all those Gods know that surely will go nowhere. When I used to teach health I look into this. Seems the age of first sexual contact has changed suprisingly little through the years with or without all of this
June 3rd, 2008 at 12:13 pm
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Then bit guesses that in your case you can’t offer the best advice, can you?  Since you really can’t say that one creator is better that any other creator or that any god is better than any other god, you just can’t say what the best advice is, can you?

If you don’t believe Christ Jesus is the son of God then you can’t quote Matthew 19 to make your point. Matthew 19 is the chapter where Christ says that the Creator made a man and a woman to be one flesh in a marriage. Thus marriage is the best arrangement for human sexual expression, and an institution created by God and endorsed by Christ.  This seems to bit to be exceptionally good advice, but yes, it does have Christian overtones. 

When you taught health, did you feel responsible for teaching your students the “best” advice?


bit’s impression is that the number of single mothers is astronomical compared to a generation or two ago. Hope bit is wrong. bit’s impression could be simply because of the changing demographics – more people more single mothers. Let’s hope that’s all it is.</description>
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dbadass Says:</p>
<p>Ah but now I would have to ask whose creater and all those Gods know that surely will go nowhere. When I used to teach health I look into this. Seems the age of first sexual contact has changed suprisingly little through the years with or without all of this<br />
June 3rd, 2008 at 12:13 pm<br />
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<p>Then bit guesses that in your case you can’t offer the best advice, can you?  Since you really can’t say that one creator is better that any other creator or that any god is better than any other god, you just can’t say what the best advice is, can you?</p>
<p>If you don’t believe Christ Jesus is the son of God then you can’t quote Matthew 19 to make your point. Matthew 19 is the chapter where Christ says that the Creator made a man and a woman to be one flesh in a marriage. Thus marriage is the best arrangement for human sexual expression, and an institution created by God and endorsed by Christ.  This seems to bit to be exceptionally good advice, but yes, it does have Christian overtones. </p>
<p>When you taught health, did you feel responsible for teaching your students the “best” advice?</p>
<p>bit’s impression is that the number of single mothers is astronomical compared to a generation or two ago. Hope bit is wrong. bit’s impression could be simply because of the changing demographics – more people more single mothers. Let’s hope that’s all it is.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4996508', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: dporter</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/03/abstinence-campaign/comment-page-2/#comment-4995062</link>
		<dc:creator>dporter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 23:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do the &quot;Parents for Truth&quot; know that, in truth, the results of abstinence-only education have been dismal:
--In Erie County, Pennsylvania, researchers found that 42 percent of the female participants were sexually active by the second year of the program. 
--In Clinton County, Pennsylvania, data collected from program participants in the seventh, eighth, and ninth grades showed a dramatic increase in the proportion of program females who experienced first sexual intercourse over time (six, nine, and 30 percent, respectively, by grade). 
--In Minnesota, 12 percent of the eighth grade program participants were sexually active at posttest. 
--In Arizona, 19 percent of program participants were sexually active at follow-up. Concurrently, Arizona&#039;s evaluators found that youth&#039;s intent to pursue abstinence declined significantly at follow-up, regardless of whether the student took another abstinence-only class. Eighty percent of teens reported that they were likely to become sexually active by the time they were 20 years old. 
---In Clinton County, Pennsylvania, researchers noted that, of those participants that reported experiencing first sexual intercourse during ninth grade, only about half used any form of contraception. 
---Arizona&#039;s evaluation team found that program participants&#039; attitudes about birth control became less favorable from pre- to posttest. They noted that this was probably a result of the &quot;program&#039;s focus on the failure rates of contraceptives as opposed to their availability, use and access.&quot; 

The truth not only hurts, it makes babies too.

http://thelieshavenotimproved.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do the &#8220;Parents for Truth&#8221; know that, in truth, the results of abstinence-only education have been dismal:<br />
&#8211;In Erie County, Pennsylvania, researchers found that 42 percent of the female participants were sexually active by the second year of the program.<br />
&#8211;In Clinton County, Pennsylvania, data collected from program participants in the seventh, eighth, and ninth grades showed a dramatic increase in the proportion of program females who experienced first sexual intercourse over time (six, nine, and 30 percent, respectively, by grade).<br />
&#8211;In Minnesota, 12 percent of the eighth grade program participants were sexually active at posttest.<br />
&#8211;In Arizona, 19 percent of program participants were sexually active at follow-up. Concurrently, Arizona&#8217;s evaluators found that youth&#8217;s intent to pursue abstinence declined significantly at follow-up, regardless of whether the student took another abstinence-only class. Eighty percent of teens reported that they were likely to become sexually active by the time they were 20 years old.<br />
&#8212;In Clinton County, Pennsylvania, researchers noted that, of those participants that reported experiencing first sexual intercourse during ninth grade, only about half used any form of contraception.<br />
&#8212;Arizona&#8217;s evaluation team found that program participants&#8217; attitudes about birth control became less favorable from pre- to posttest. They noted that this was probably a result of the &#8220;program&#8217;s focus on the failure rates of contraceptives as opposed to their availability, use and access.&#8221; </p>
<p>The truth not only hurts, it makes babies too.</p>
<p><a href="http://thelieshavenotimproved.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://thelieshavenotimproved.blogspot.com/</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4995062', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Saint Augustine</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/03/abstinence-campaign/comment-page-2/#comment-4994726</link>
		<dc:creator>Saint Augustine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 21:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DRxJ Says I’ll have to resort to “shaking the devil off!”

Seriously, I’ll be using that catch phrase for posts to come.
Fair warning!


Careful, that ole devil can be a hard nut to crack, don&#039;t hurt yourself.</description>
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<p>Seriously, I’ll be using that catch phrase for posts to come.<br />
Fair warning!</p>
<p>Careful, that ole devil can be a hard nut to crack, don&#8217;t hurt yourself.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4994726', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: DRxJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DRxJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Useless information alert:&lt;/strong&gt;
My wife is having a girls night out, and seeing Sex in the City with her friends.
2 things could possibly happen tonight.
The movie will make my wife frisky, and abstaining will be the last thought on my mind, if ya know what I mean!
Or
She will be extremely tired, and I&#039;ll have to resort to &quot;shaking the devil off!&quot;

Seriously, I&#039;ll be using that catch phrase for posts to come.
Fair warning!</description>
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My wife is having a girls night out, and seeing Sex in the City with her friends.<br />
2 things could possibly happen tonight.<br />
The movie will make my wife frisky, and abstaining will be the last thought on my mind, if ya know what I mean!<br />
Or<br />
She will be extremely tired, and I&#8217;ll have to resort to &#8220;shaking the devil off!&#8221;</p>
<p>Seriously, I&#8217;ll be using that catch phrase for posts to come.<br />
Fair warning!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4994628', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: shoeless</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/03/abstinence-campaign/comment-page-2/#comment-4994452</link>
		<dc:creator>shoeless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Republicans are a fearful bunch. They are scared to death of:

Recounts</description>
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<p>Recounts<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4994452', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: TeleMan</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/03/abstinence-campaign/comment-page-2/#comment-4994346</link>
		<dc:creator>TeleMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Daryll is going to have those four words following him around on every single thread.

Ahhh, the gift that keeps on giving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Daryll is going to have those four words following him around on every single thread.</p>
<p>Ahhh, the gift that keeps on giving.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4994346', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: ralph the wonder llama</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/03/abstinence-campaign/comment-page-2/#comment-4994308</link>
		<dc:creator>ralph the wonder llama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 18:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy oh boy, Daryll sure does take a long time to &quot;shake the devil off&quot;.

Maybe there was a line at the airport rest room.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy oh boy, Daryll sure does take a long time to &#8220;shake the devil off&#8221;.</p>
<p>Maybe there was a line at the airport rest room.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4994308', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: TeleMan</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/03/abstinence-campaign/comment-page-2/#comment-4994230</link>
		<dc:creator>TeleMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 18:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;shoeless Says:
Republicans are a fearful bunch. They are scared to death of:
Teletubbies&lt;/em&gt;

Don&#039;t forget Spongebob Squarepants.

Gotta protect our innocent children from the gay agenda!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>shoeless Says:<br />
Republicans are a fearful bunch. They are scared to death of:<br />
Teletubbies</em></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t forget Spongebob Squarepants.</p>
<p>Gotta protect our innocent children from the gay agenda!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4994230', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: dbadass</title>
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		<dc:creator>dbadass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 18:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saint Augustine Says: 
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bitblt said sex is a gift

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All the more reason to be giving it away</description>
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<p>bitblt said sex is a gift</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;<br />
All the more reason to be giving it away<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4994212', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: dbadass</title>
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		<dc:creator>dbadass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 17:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and soy products...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and soy products&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4994138', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: shoeless</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/03/abstinence-campaign/comment-page-2/#comment-4994086</link>
		<dc:creator>shoeless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 17:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Republicans are a fearful bunch. They are scared to death of:&lt;/em&gt;

Teletubbies</description>
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<p>Teletubbies<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4994086', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: ninique</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/03/abstinence-campaign/comment-page-2/#comment-4994076</link>
		<dc:creator>ninique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 17:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought you are supposed to be a saint!</description>
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		<title>By: Saint Augustine</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/03/abstinence-campaign/comment-page-2/#comment-4993978</link>
		<dc:creator>Saint Augustine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 17:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bitblt said sex is a gift. Oh goody, my birthday is cumming soon, maybe I&#039;ll get a birthday box that will make me happy or Mr. Happy happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bitblt said sex is a gift. Oh goody, my birthday is cumming soon, maybe I&#8217;ll get a birthday box that will make me happy or Mr. Happy happy.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4993978', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: shoeless</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/03/abstinence-campaign/comment-page-2/#comment-4993958</link>
		<dc:creator>shoeless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;DRxJ Says: 

...our teenagers, who are maturing into free thinking adults, would like to hear both sides of a subject before making THEIR decision.&lt;/em&gt;

But then they wouldn&#039;t become Republicans.</description>
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<p>&#8230;our teenagers, who are maturing into free thinking adults, would like to hear both sides of a subject before making THEIR decision.</em></p>
<p>But then they wouldn&#8217;t become Republicans.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4993958', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: TeleMan</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/03/abstinence-campaign/comment-page-2/#comment-4993948</link>
		<dc:creator>TeleMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TeleMan agrees with ralph and DRxJ:
&lt;strong&gt;Teach both sides of the controversy!&lt;/strong&gt;

TeleMan would also like to see more nuggets of comedy from the PAKAD but apparently he&#039;s gone to &quot;shake off the devil&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TeleMan agrees with ralph and DRxJ:<br />
<strong>Teach both sides of the controversy!</strong></p>
<p>TeleMan would also like to see more nuggets of comedy from the PAKAD but apparently he&#8217;s gone to &#8220;shake off the devil&#8221;.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4993948', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Squeaky Wheels</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/03/abstinence-campaign/comment-page-2/#comment-4993890</link>
		<dc:creator>Squeaky Wheels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How conservatives can say they&#039;re for freedom is beyond me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How conservatives can say they&#8217;re for freedom is beyond me.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4993890', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: ralph the wonder llama</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/03/abstinence-campaign/comment-page-2/#comment-4993888</link>
		<dc:creator>ralph the wonder llama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ralph is sorry that bitblt is so limited in his understanding of written communication that he restricts the use of the term &quot;sanctimonious&quot; to references of religiosity. The term is defined by MIriam-Webster as &quot; hypocritically pious or devout&quot; and one need not be religious to be devout. One can be devout to a cause, a philosophy or an ethos, and ralph judges bitblt to be so devout, yet hypocritically so at times.

bitblt pulls a single, inarguable statement out of his wordy diatribe and asks ralph to disagree with it. Well, no, ralph doesn&#039;t disagree with the statement that &quot;All youth deserve the best&quot;.

The thing ralph disagrees with is what &quot;the best&quot; entails.

bitblt defends a failed strategy, &quot;abstinence-only education&quot; by picking at the definitions offered by TP posters, instead of recognizing that DRxJ offered a sound option:



&lt;blockquote&gt;Why not sex education that includes abstinence in it’s subject matter?
Maybe it’s just me, but my hope (belief) is that our teenagers, who are maturing into free thinking adults, would like to hear both sides of a subject before making THEIR decision.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

ralph agrees that abstinence is the best way for an individual to avoid the complications of casual sexual relations: pregnancy, disease, emotional anguish. But abstinence is unworkable as a strategy for a society as a whole to reduce those problems among its youth.

Progressives have no problem with teaching abstinence. We just have a problem with teaching NOTHING BUT abstinence.

As often is the case, conservatives tend to fall down on the &quot;less information is better&quot; side of the divide and progressives on the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ralph is sorry that bitblt is so limited in his understanding of written communication that he restricts the use of the term &#8220;sanctimonious&#8221; to references of religiosity. The term is defined by MIriam-Webster as &#8221; hypocritically pious or devout&#8221; and one need not be religious to be devout. One can be devout to a cause, a philosophy or an ethos, and ralph judges bitblt to be so devout, yet hypocritically so at times.</p>
<p>bitblt pulls a single, inarguable statement out of his wordy diatribe and asks ralph to disagree with it. Well, no, ralph doesn&#8217;t disagree with the statement that &#8220;All youth deserve the best&#8221;.</p>
<p>The thing ralph disagrees with is what &#8220;the best&#8221; entails.</p>
<p>bitblt defends a failed strategy, &#8220;abstinence-only education&#8221; by picking at the definitions offered by TP posters, instead of recognizing that DRxJ offered a sound option:</p>
<blockquote><p>Why not sex education that includes abstinence in it’s subject matter?<br />
Maybe it’s just me, but my hope (belief) is that our teenagers, who are maturing into free thinking adults, would like to hear both sides of a subject before making THEIR decision.</p></blockquote>
<p>ralph agrees that abstinence is the best way for an individual to avoid the complications of casual sexual relations: pregnancy, disease, emotional anguish. But abstinence is unworkable as a strategy for a society as a whole to reduce those problems among its youth.</p>
<p>Progressives have no problem with teaching abstinence. We just have a problem with teaching NOTHING BUT abstinence.</p>
<p>As often is the case, conservatives tend to fall down on the &#8220;less information is better&#8221; side of the divide and progressives on the other.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4993888', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: shoeless</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/03/abstinence-campaign/comment-page-2/#comment-4993870</link>
		<dc:creator>shoeless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Republicans are a fearful bunch. They are scared to death of:&lt;/em&gt;

Gore and Moore

Obama and the Dalai Lama</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Republicans are a fearful bunch. They are scared to death of:</em></p>
<p>Gore and Moore</p>
<p>Obama and the Dalai Lama<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4993870', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: misshusseinmolly</title>
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		<dc:creator>misshusseinmolly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ninique Says
June 3rd, 2008 at 12:00 pm 
uh,.. i don’t think masturbation should be taught to kids by anyone. do you? ill, weird!
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You&#039;re right -- I can&#039;t imagine there are that many kids who haven&#039;t figured out the mechanics of the act on their own.  However, it wouldn&#039;t hurt to tell them that they won&#039;t go blind, or that they could get seriously hurt if they want to do it with their neck in a noose and a plastic bag over their head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ninique Says<br />
June 3rd, 2008 at 12:00 pm<br />
uh,.. i don’t think masturbation should be taught to kids by anyone. do you? ill, weird!<br />
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<p>You&#8217;re right &#8212; I can&#8217;t imagine there are that many kids who haven&#8217;t figured out the mechanics of the act on their own.  However, it wouldn&#8217;t hurt to tell them that they won&#8217;t go blind, or that they could get seriously hurt if they want to do it with their neck in a noose and a plastic bag over their head.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4993860', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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