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Army scientist: The sun is responsible for global warming.

Dr. Bruce West, chief scientist of the Army Research Office’s mathematical and information science directorate, is arguing that global warming is “directly linked to…the short-term statistical fluctuations in the Sun’s irradiance and the longer-term solar cycles,” according to Wired:

In an advisory to bloggers entitled “Global Warming: Fact of Fiction [sic],” an Army public affairs official promoted a conference call with West about “the causes of global warming, and how it may not be caused by the common indicates [sic] some scientists and the media are indicating.”

As Wired notes, the position puts West at odds with the American Meteorological Society, the American Geophysical Union, the American Association for the Advancement of Science, and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which have all recognized mankind’s significant contribution to climate change.



144 Responses to “Army scientist: The sun is responsible for global warming.”

  1. shoeless says:

    Has Exxon/Mobil been making donations to the Army?


  2. bronco214 says:

    mathematical and information science directorate
    Shouldn’t that ead “disinformation?”


  3. StratRat says:

    Yeah, the US Army. The last great bastion of global warming experts. Geez, what rock did this nitwit crawl out from under? The Sun? Thats the latest neocon lie to the planet? The sun is at fault?


  4. VA Voter says:

    which have all recognized mankind’s significant contribution to climate change.

    Do they recognize the sun as the primary source of climate change? Like it has on all the other planets in our solar system.


  5. And the beat goes on says:

    So, warming is caused by the sun? And how much did we pay this guy to come to this profound conclusion? Sorry, just had fun parsing this. Solar involvement in global warming has already been debunked/minimized but this will buy these idiots more time to ignore the facts, recite the neocon climate creed and basically go on like nothing is happening.


  6. Juan C. says:

    Too many tsar bomb detonations does that to your brain.


  7. Abu Ben Hussein Leporello says:

    Also, does anyone know what good Dr. West’s religous affiliation is? I ask because I strongly suspect he’s some form of born-again and is rallying to spread the word before January. I’ve heard of last-ditch idiocy, but this is Amazing! I have great respect for an Information Science major, but really, this is yet another GWB Great Moment in Non-Science!!!
    Impeach Cheney and Bush and Save the Constitution!


  8. shoeless says:

    “directly linked to…the short-term statistical fluctuations in the Sun’s irradiance…”

    Dr. West found dramatic flucuations in the Sun’s irradiance which occurred in 24 hour cycles.


  9. ForTruth says:

    The Sun warms half the globe every day. I knew this.


  10. hussein toasterhead says:

    shoeless Says:

    Has Exxon/Mobil been making donations to the Army?

    June 3rd, 2008 at 4:06 pm
    ______

    Yes, if by “donations to the Army” you mean “sales of more than $1 billion worth of petroleum products per year.”


  11. ForTruth says:

    Isn’t it funny that only the folks with right wing agendas argue against climate change? Any Liberal scientists out there agree with the wingnuts?


  12. hussein toasterhead says:

    VA Voter Says:

    Do they recognize the sun as the primary source of climate change? Like it has on all the other planets in our solar system.

    June 3rd, 2008 at 4:09 pm
    ______

    The sun is not the primary cause of climate change on other planets in the solar system, so you can stop with this lie.


  13. hussein toasterhead says:

    ForTruth Says:

    The Sun warms half the globe every day. I knew this.

    June 3rd, 2008 at 4:12 pm
    ______

    Don’t forget the effects of Daylight Savings Time, in which the Sun warms half the globe for an extra HOUR every day. No wonder the Earth is warmer in the summer, eh?


  14. VA Voter says:

    hussein toasterhead Says: The sun is not the primary cause of climate change on other planets in the solar system, so you can stop with this lie.

    Are humans the cause of climate change on other planets? Wow.


  15. shoeless says:

    Political concerns do not affect the work of real scientists. Their findings are neither liberal nor conservative. On the other hand, fake scientists are always right-wingers.


  16. Buckie Boy says:

    Yeah, a huge invisible god is hold a magical invisible magnifying glass directed toward earth…gasp…I have about as much credibility as anyone working for Bush does on this subject.


  17. ralph the wonder llama says:

    VA Voter Says:
    which have all recognized mankind’s significant contribution to climate change.

    Do they recognize the sun as the primary source of climate change? Like it has on all the other planets in our solar system.

    Has Venus been undergoing significant climate change over the past century, comparable to our own planet’s recorded change?

    Seems like, since it’s so much closer to the sun, such an effect would be much magnified. Any data on that, Va-Voom?


  18. hussein toasterhead says:

    VA Voter Says:

    Are humans the cause of climate change on other planets? Wow.

    June 3rd, 2008 at 4:17 pm
    ______

    Nope. Milankovitch cycles are. Good try, though!


  19. ralph the wonder llama says:

    Va-Voom, why did you abandon the “talk=appeasement” thread just below?

    We miss you.. There are a couple of issues we were hoping you could clear up…


  20. misshusseinmolly says:

    That’s a little like saying that rain is responsible for a leaky roof. It’s true that if a leaky roof isn’t fixed, rain can make the consequences quite unpleasant, but blaming the leaks on the rain is quite a stretch.


  21. Juan C. says:

    VA Voter Says:

    Do they recognize the sun as the primary source of climate change? Like it has on all the other planets in our solar system.

    It is the IR radiation of the Earth that is trapped by greenhouse gases, not the Sun’s radiation (small % of IR)

    Look at the moon:

    No atmosphere = no greenhouse gases = no global warming but same solar radiation.


  22. galmud says:

    Bullshit. TSI Total Solar Irradiance has been stable since the the 1950s while global mean temperature has risen sharply in the last three decades


  23. shoeless says:

    VA Voter Says:

    Are humans the cause of climate change on other planets? Wow.

    I don’t know. Are men emitting in Ur anus?


  24. Crusty Old Bastard says:

    “Army scientist: The sun is responsible for global warming.”

    It doesn’t take a scientist, rocket, army, or otherwise, to discover that fact! Just moon in the sun for a few minutes in the Arizona desert and your global will get warm and your butt burnt.


  25. ralph the wonder llama says:

    Why do wingnuts think that those of us in the mainstream believe that ONLY humans affect climate change?

    Why do they have a such a difficult time understanding the concept that naturally-occurring climate change can be affected by human activity, and that this impact, though small, can be significant?

    Nope, they don’t get that. They erect these haphazard straw men, accusing us of believing that climate change cannot occur without man.

    Weird.


  26. zuch says:

    You can measure insolation (and more recently, solar output as well). No serious scientist has shown that insolation is responsible for observed temperature data.

    Cheers,


  27. Oval12345678 aka James K. Sayre says:

    Well, at least they’re not blaming the moon for global warming… Moonglow is not the problem. It’s funny, twenty, thirty or forty years ago, some folks were getting worried about the coming Ice Age… One supposes that we can’t have global warming and an Ice Age at the same time… That would be too confusing for folks to comprehend and respond to…


  28. katy says:

    ’scuse the OT, but, this is rather worrisome:

    Time Warner Cable To Test Metered Internet Access
    InformationWeek – 1 hour ago
    Time Warner Cable may start charging customers $1 for each gigabyte of content they download from the Internet over a specified allotment.
    Bloggers Blast Time Warner Cable Metered Internet Price Plan CNNMoney.com
    Time Warner gives America metered internet Register
    Reuters – DailyTech – ZDNet – eFluxMedia

    another step closer to ending NET NEUTRALITY…

    they’re gonna keep trying till it’s gone… if you let ‘em…


  29. misshusseinmolly says:

    hussein toasterhead Says
    June 3rd, 2008 at 4:16 pm
    Don’t forget the effects of Daylight Savings Time, in which the Sun warms half the globe for an extra HOUR every day. No wonder the Earth is warmer in the summer, eh?
    __________________________________

    Stop that — I just spit diet Pepsi out all over my keyboard.


  30. Wayne says:

    hussein toasterhead Says

    That was funny as heck.
    still lmao


  31. MCMetal says:

    VA Voter Says:
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    which have all recognized mankind’s significant contribution to climate change.

    Do they recognize the sun as the primary source of climate change? Like it has on all the other planets in our solar system.

    June 3rd, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    Well , I suppose it would take an alien like yourself to be able to talk about the climate on other planets ………


  32. ralph the wonder llama says:

    I’ve never known Va-Voter to be a hit-and-run troll before. Maybe he’s just giving in to the reality that his party hasn’t given him squat to work with.


  33. raynman says:

    When we hear that other government agencies have had their scientific reports either censored or ‘altered’ by the administration to more easily fit with the party line, its not so hard to declare that this administration has no use for science, facts or objective evaluation.


  34. Leftside Annie says:

    Why do wingnuts *insist* on arguing that mankind – with all of humanity’s attendant pollution/deforestation, etc. has had no effect upon the Earth…?

    That’s just …stupid. Really stupid.


  35. MCMetal says:

    VA Voter Says:
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    hussein toasterhead Says: The sun is not the primary cause of climate change on other planets in the solar system, so you can stop with this lie.

    Are humans the cause of climate change on other planets? Wow.

    June 3rd, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    Dissimilar atmospheres on other planets means nothing when it comes to climate changes , eh Copernicus ?


  36. Leftside Annie says:

    Yeah, and life is the cause of death, too.

    *eyeroll*


  37. mary says:

    From a blogger at Wired names Wembley:

    “This theory has been kicking around for years, it finally got nailed thoroughly by some British scientists in April”

    Scientists have produced further compelling evidence showing that modern-day climate change is not caused by changes in the Sun’s activity.


  38. dbadass says:

    What do ya know. The little white guy scared shitless of the black guy has arrived. What up?


  39. hussein toasterhead says:

    mediamonkey Says:

    31,000 scientists reject ‘global warming’ agenda

    June 3rd, 2008 at 4:31 pm
    _______

    Ah, yes. WorldNet Daily – almost as credible a source as World News Weekly.


  40. belac says:

    Also, intelligence reports that the sun has an active nuclear program!! Who will stop the Helios menace?!?


  41. hussein toasterhead says:

    rogers Says:

    but of course, this is hardly what this man meant, so I think it should’ve been:

    “Army scientist:short-term statistical fluctuations in the Sun’s irradiance and the longer-term solar cycles cause global warming.”

    June 3rd, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    For that matter, it could have been: “Army scientist: unicorns, leprechauns, and Islamofascists cause global warming,” since those causes don’t exist either.


  42. MCMetal says:

    rogers Says:
    ——————————————————————————–

    Its called the greenhouse effect…the sun is responsible for global warming, even if humans made it happen.

    but of course, this is hardly what this man meant, so I think it should’ve been:

    “Army scientist:short-term statistical fluctuations in the Sun’s irradiance and the longer-term solar cycles cause global warming”.

    June 3rd, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    Umm , no , jerkweed.

    With your “vast knowledge” , you sound like someone who claims that a pothole in a highway would be repaired/filled up if you threw black paint in it…………


  43. lefty says:

    PLEASE…

    KILL…

    ME…


  44. pbg says:

    What is Dr. West’s doctorate in?


  45. MCMetal says:

    mediamonkey Says:
    ——————————————————————————–

    dbadass Says:
    ——————————————————————————–

    What do ya know. The little white guy scared shitless of the black guy has arrived. What up?

    Truth hurts. I can see Al at global warming headquarters, Fist clinching hands full of hair, screaming NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

    June 3rd, 2008 at 4:41 pm

    The truth sure does hurt

    Let us know when you actually speak it , you impossibly stupid , racist piece of shit……………..


  46. MCMetal says:

    pbg Says:
    ——————————————————————————–

    What is Dr. West’s doctorate in?

    June 3rd, 2008 at 4:42 pm

    He’s got as BS in BS ……………….


  47. mary says:

    A quote from Mike at Wired:

    “These petitions and lists of scientists previously mentioned in the comments are bullshit, by the way. Read for yourself.”

    A quote from Mike’s link:

    The “Oregon Petition,” was started in 1998 by physicist Frederick Seitz, past president of the National Academy of Science. The identical petition card was circulated again in early 2008 and Arthur Robinson is presenting the petition with 31,000 signatures in Washington DC on May 19, 2008[51] Critics point out that many of the signatories of the Petition lack a background in climatology[52][53] and that the petition itself mentions only “catastrophic heating” and not the broader issue of global warming.


  48. ForTruth says:

    This just in:

    Army Scientist reports bullets can hurt, even kill.


  49. gummitch says:

    hussein toasterhead Says:

    mediamonkey Says:

    31,000 scientists reject ‘global warming’ agenda

    Ah, yes. WorldNet Daily – almost as credible a source as World News Weekly.

    None of these yahoos ever mention that it took nearly 10 years and a great deal of deceitful promotion to garner those signatures. More here.


  50. MCMetal says:

    mediamonkey Says:
    ——————————————————————————–

    If you don’t like hearing it from them I have a couple more sites.

    Flood of Scientists Continue to Sign Petition Opposed to Global Warming Alarmism,

    31,000 Scientists Say No To Global Warming

    June 3rd, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    Ah yes

    Nothing screams “scientific fact” moreso than a link to the “Earth Times” and an Op/Ed from the “Chattanoogan” ; where’s your link to the National Enquirer on-line , shitstick ?


  51. MCMetal says:

    Zed Lefflin Says:
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    What is this “Sun” crap……there is no profit in this belief. Global warming is man made and it will take profitable corporations hiring millions of employees over decades and paying them a “living wage”, health care and a good retirement to solve this, the most grave, problem facing mankind in the history of our very existence. PAY UP SUCKER!

    June 3rd, 2008 at 4:46 pm

    Yeah

    It makes a lot more sense to destroy the planet by drilling for a dirty , finite fuel source , that emits toxins when used , doesn’t it , shithead ?


  52. galmud says:

    31,000 scientists reject ‘global warming’ agenda

    More than 31,000 scientists across the U.S. – including more than 9,000 Ph.D.s in fields such as atmospheric science, climatology, Earth science, environment and dozens of other specialties – have signed a petition rejecting “global warming,” the assumption that the human production of greenhouse gases is damaging Earth’s climate.

    About time all this “Man Made Global Warming” propaganda gets shut down! The lib’s are going to fight this tooth and nail.

    Widely proven and discredited as a fraud.

    A while back I checked that petition myself, randomly selecting about 40 or 50 names of the thousands of alleged “climate scientists”.

    I didnt find one single climate scientist. Most of them were really obscure non-scientists, engineers or similar. Or they were scientists with absolutely no expertise in climate. For quite a few of the scientists I could only find a few (non-climate) papers dating back to the 1940s or 50s which likely meant they were deceased by now their names possibly used against their wishes.


  53. hussein toasterhead says:

    mediamonkey Says:

    If you don’t like hearing it from them I have a couple more sites.

    June 3rd, 2008 at 4:45 pm
    _____

    The fact that multiple anti-science web sites and authors are parroting your fake petition doesn’t make the scientific consensus supporting the theory of anthropoegenic climate change any less valid.


  54. Zimzone says:

    Here in MN the snow actually makes it colder. Sometimes it’s so cold it doesn’t get warmer. If we get too much snow it gets really cold. When it gets really, really cold, I try to get warmer. The Sun is out everyday and it doesn’t get much warmer here. I think that proves that global warming isn’t caused by the Sun.

    Submitted by your local Wingnut Weatherman


  55. gummitch says:

    In 2005, Scientific American surveyed the petitioners:

    Scientific American took a sample of 30 of the 1,400 signatories claiming to hold a Ph.D. in a climate-related science. Of the 26 we were able to identify in various databases, 11 said they still agreed with the petition —- one was an active climate researcher, two others had relevant expertise, and eight signed based on an informal evaluation. Six said they would not sign the petition today, three did not remember any such petition, one had died, and five did not answer repeated messages. Crudely extrapolating, the petition supporters include a core of about 200 climate researchers – a respectable number, though rather a small fraction of the climatological community.


  56. dixie blood says:

    Army?

    (The GW Botch LYING COC(SUC(ER Army?)

    Scientist? (In the GW Botch LYING COC(SUC(ER Army?)

    Hahaaa ha ahahaa ahhha ahaha ha ha haaa ha ah!!!


  57. hussein toasterhead says:

    galmud Says:

    I didnt find one single climate scientist. Most of them were really obscure non-scientists, engineers or similar. Or they were scientists with absolutely no expertise in climate.

    June 3rd, 2008 at 4:50 pm
    ___________

    You mean Ginger Spice and Perry Mason aren’t really climate scientists?


  58. RUCerious says:

    Miltary Science is to science as Military music/justice is to music/justice.


  59. And the beat goes on says:

    I work with a guy who told me that we don’t even have a pollution problem. Rain just washes all the pollution out of the air…I think he went to the same school as this idiot


  60. belac says:

    I recommend cutting all diplomatic ties with the sun, at this point negotiating with no pre-conditions would only play right into the sun’s hot little hands…


  61. mary says:

    Like we WANT climate change? Who’s the dumba$$?

    Facts have a liberal bias.


  62. And the beat goes on says:

    #66 flagged not interested in any “intelligent” discussion…perhaps just not capable of anything requiring minimal intelligence.


  63. LividLib says:

    moronmonkey Says:

    “If you don’t like hearing it from them I have a couple more sites.”

    Flood of Scientists Continue to Sign Petition Opposed to Global Warming Alarmism,

    31,000 Scientists Say No To Global Warming

    Whoa! I’m totally convinced now that this man-made global warming business is just a bunch of hogwash!

    Btw, I didn’t realize some of the Spice Girls were climatologists too! Go figure!

    http://www.desmogblog.com/node/1067


  64. hussein toasterhead says:

    mediamonkey Says:
    ——————————————————————————–

    hussein toasterhead Says:
    galmud Says:
    dbadass Says:

    Your Poor feeble little souls couldn’t get a clue if you bought a billion Milton Bradley Games. hahahahaha

    June 3rd, 2008 at 5:01 pm

    You’re absolutely right. We couldn’t get a Clue if we bought a billion Milton Bradley games, since Clue is published by Hasbro.


  65. dbadass says:

    I am with belac on this one. After all that damn sun isn’t seeking nuclear weapons, it already has a hell of a fusion program which we just can have. Deterents are our thing not that of others. No more talking to the sun!!


  66. dbadass says:

  67. belac says:

    You’re absolutely right. We couldn’t get a Clue if we bought a billion Milton Bradley games, since Clue is published by Hasbro.
    I believe he’s refering to Milton Bradley, outfielder for the Texas Rangers, who were once owned by our Decider in Chief, GWB… naturally, owning the Rangers didn’t help GWB understand climate change and the monkey is just helpfully pointing out that owning the Rangers is a poor way to understand climate change…
    Thanks, Monkey!
    You right! From now on we’ll only ask experts when we want to understand a scientific concept, not sports stars or singers…


  68. belac says:

    … or monkeys.


  69. Xisithrus says:

    Data from the past forty years clearly shows that the Sun peaked in intensity in the mid-1980s and has been declining in solar activity ever since. With the Sun in a cycle that produces less heat, it is unlikely to be a factor in the Earth becoming warmer.

    Mike Lockwood, at the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory in Chilton, Oxfordshire, United Kingdom, and Claus Fröhlich, at the World Radiation Center in Davos Dorf, Switzerland, used satellite measurements of solar activity to show the factors that affect climate change on Earth such as sunspots, cosmic rays, intensity of Earth’s magnetic field, and solar irradiance. The data clearly shows that between the years 1985 and 1987, these factors reversed themselves—implying less likelihood of contributing to global warming from pre-1985 years.

    They state in their abstract, “There is considerable evidence for solar influence on the Earth’s pre-industrial climate and the Sun may well have been a factor in post-industrial climate change in the first half of the last century. Here we show that over the past 20 years, all the trends in the Sun that could have had an influence on the Earth’s climate have been in the opposite direction to that required to explain the observed rise in global mean temperatures.”

    http://www.itwire.com/content/view/13463/1066/


  70. hussein toasterhead says:

    Xisithrus Says:

    Data from the past forty years clearly shows that the Sun peaked in intensity in the mid-1980s and has been declining in solar activity ever since. With the Sun in a cycle that produces less heat, it is unlikely to be a factor in the Earth becoming warmer.

    June 3rd, 2008 at 5:11 pm

    Rest in peace, solar fluctuation talking point. We hardly knew ye.


  71. dbadass says:

    Shoot! When will learn? I used the “a knoll” word again. Anyway the point was simple that I just wanted to ask hussein toasterhead to not scare off one of my best research subjects by constently blowing their tripe out of the water. I admit I only skim the scared little guys words in hopes they might amuse me. Instead I employ the moronic pictures more as a develop my diagnosis of their inner issues. I really can’t afford to have them scared off before my work is complete.


  72. ralph the wonder llama says:

    mediamonkey Says:
    hussein toasterhead Says:
    galmud Says:
    dbadass Says:

    Thanks for the info guys!! Your info has given me hope that a change in the climate is upon us. Dumb A$$es!! Your Poor feeble little souls couldn’t get a clue if you bought a billion Milton Bradley Games. hahahahaha

    Translation: lalalalalalalala I can’t hear you


  73. galmud says:

    You mean Ginger Spice and Perry Mason aren’t really climate scientists?

    Nope. Neither is signer John J Allport whos field of expertise apparently is the flow of butter

    http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4359638.html


  74. SP Biloxi says:

    And how much is this Army scientist being paid to spin this crapola? The Sun has no way of defending itself. ;-)


  75. belac says:

    Thanks Dbadass… is there some way we can organize a boycott of all sun related goods? We’ve gotta spread the word, we can’t allow such immense power to go unchecked… who knows what the sun’s agenda is? All I know is, when there’s that much fire- there’s sure to be some dirty, dirty smoke somewhere…


  76. nanlichi says:

    Wind is caused by trees moving back and forth in unison. Think about it, the more the trees wave around, the harder the wind blows. Over the ocean, it’s the waves that cause wind. Ever see The Perfect Storm? Pretty big waves wouldn’t you say? And what was the wind doing? Howling!!!

    And I have 30 signatures from here in the office that agree with my hypothesis.


  77. dbadass says:

    belac:
    We better act fast and preemptively. We can not what for a supernova. Afterall the sun has already made it’s intentions to wipe the earth off the earth’s map.


  78. hussein toasterhead says:

    galmud Says:

    Nope. Neither is signer John J Allport whos field of expertise apparently is the flow of butter

    http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4359638.html

    June 3rd, 2008 at 5:17 pm
    ______

    Gamma-ray and X-ray gauges have been developed for determining material density by measuring the transmission of radiation through the material. The ratio (R) of radiation transmitted through the material (I 1 ) to that detected in the absence of the material (I o ) may be written: ##EQU1## where ? is the apparent mass absorption coefficient, ? is the unknown density and T is the thickness of the material. In a closed pipe, completely filled with the material, I 1 and I o can be measured with radiation detectors, and since the thickness T is known the density may be determined on a continuous basis.

    The composition of simple, essentially binary, mixtures such as butter (water and fat) has been shown to be measurable in the prior art using backscattered X-ray or gamma-ray radiation. (See for example: U.S. Pat. Nos. 4,168,431 and 3,255,975.)

    !!?!?!?

    They shoot butter with GAMMA RAYS?


  79. nanlichi says:

    Please dbadass, let’s try to negotiate first. Send a team to the sun for a sit down. Start with Cheney and Bush. They could go at night.


  80. Xisithrus says:

    Wind is caused by trees moving back and forth in unison -nanlichi

    No, its the gravitational pull of the moon which causes the oceans to rise and fall that causes wind. That and the hot air from pundits.

    snark


  81. belac says:

    dbadass:
    Agreed, I think the first step is to root out any Sun sympathizers here at home… all tan skin is now suspect (but hasn’t it always been?) Luckily, I have found the perfect person to head the new Dept. of Solar Security Department… Dr. Acula is well respected, hates the sun, and will stay up all night fighting the solar menace! (Plus, he’s pale as cavefish!)


  82. Xisithrus says:

    Or maybe it was the melting butter pattern in the microwave…


  83. Juan C. says:

    nanlichi Says:

    Please dbadass, let’s try to negotiate first. Send a team to the sun for a sit down. Start with Cheney and Bush. They could go at night.

    You are an appeaser. Do we have to wait until a rain of photons hit us? Then what? Sunshine?


  84. dbadass says:

    belac:
    Once we have rounded up all those unpatriotic sun supporters where should we lock them away? The way I see it anyone on a beach definately loses any legal recourse what with being capture on the battlefield and all. These are clearly enemy heliocombatants. Any thoughts on what enhanced interrogation (oh screw that let’s call it waht it is). Any thoughts on what tortures might be employed on these Sun-sympathizers?


  85. jjray7 says:

    Another reason “military intelligence” is an oxymoron.


  86. sectionop92 says:

    Holy crap…don’t let your kids use the magnifying glasses on the ants, you’ll make this a billion times worse!


  87. belac says:

    dbadass:
    First thoughts? Kill two birds with one stone… we have plenty of good ol’ coal here in these United States… why not put the traitors to work digging it by hand?
    This has several benefits… Get’s the Sunny’s in the dark, where we can forget about ‘em, Gives us COAL for energy, the burning of which will blot out the Sun and save us from it’s photonic menace!!


  88. shoeless says:

    jjray7 Says:

    Another reason “military intelligence” is an oxymoron.

    Another good one is “right-wing think tank”.

    That one never fails to crack me up!


  89. dbadass says:

    belac:
    You are just full of great ideas. Can we have you named the somesuchthing czar? Maybe instead of waterboarding them we can coaldustboard them. It isn’t really black lung disease. It is just simulated black lung disease


  90. shoeless says:

    Wait a minute!

    Bruce Wayne=Adam West

    Dr. Bruce West is not an Army scientist. He’s Batman!


  91. gummitch says:

    Daryll Says:

    Libs, I believe that the sun is responsible for Global Warming, as well. Haven’t you noticed that it becomes warmer on March 21 and June 21? It’s the sun, not man. Let’s think like adults instead of children.

    Comedy gold.


  92. shoeless says:

    Daryll,
    I believe that God is responsible for Global Warming. Everytime we cut down an old growth forest, or foul a beach with an oil slick, or pollute a river with toxic chemicals, God gets mad and farts right on the Earth, releasing vast amounts of mathane gas, which heat up the atmosphere.


  93. Xisithrus says:

    Daryll did you know the Earths magnetic field has decreased in gauss the last 150 years?

    Please read my post above about the declining strength of the sun.


  94. belac says:

    Let’s think like adults instead of children.
    Yes, but what to think… if only there were some book that would tell us how to live and what to think.
    We’re agreed that the sun is our enemy in this Global Climate Change deal… how do we stop it?
    Who will tell us?!?!


  95. shoeless says:

    sorry methane.

    God’s goal is obviously, to make the Earth uninhabitable by man because of the heat, and incredible stench of his Supreme flatulence.


  96. ralph the wonder llama says:

    Daryll must be auditioning some new writers.

    My advice — whicever writers came up with the “shaking off the devil” routine, and “let’s think like adults” bit — HIRE THEM!


  97. Leftside Annie says:

    OH. MY. GOD. I’ve figured it out!!

    THE SUN IS …GAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    *thud*


  98. Gregor Samsa says:

    oops! wrong thread


  99. MCMetal says:

    Daryll Says:
    ——————————————————————————–

    Let’s think like adults instead of children.

    June 3rd, 2008 at 6:04 pm

    Claims the fool who believes an invisible , all-powerful being , watches and judges every move you make , and who surrounds himself with winged invisible beings ……….


  100. belac says:

    Hey, let the earth continue to overheat. Within the twinkling of an eye, I will fly away. My bags are packed, how about yours?
    Awesome… this is how I feel about camping. Ya know, a lot of people have tried to get me to clean up my garbage before leaving a campsite but my attitude is, ‘Hey, let the garbage pile up. Within the tinkling of a whizzard, I will drive away. My tent is packed, how about yours?’


  101. MCMetal says:

    Daryll Says:
    ——————————————————————————–

    shoeless Says:
    ——————————————————————————–

    sorry methane.

    God’s goal is obviously, to make the Earth uninhabitable by man because of the heat, and incredible stench of his Supreme flatulence.

    June 3rd, 2008 at 6:13 pm Recommend (0) | Report Abuse

    ——————————————————————————–

    Hey, let the earth continue to overheat. Within the twinkling of an eye, I will fly away. My bags are packed, how about yours?

    June 3rd, 2008 at 6:29 pm

    How about just leaving now and avoiding the rush of people who would be more than willing to toss your useless carcass into space ……………..?


  102. belac says:

    P.S. Daryll…
    How many bags are we allowed?
    I got a lot a worldly goods that I’m pretty proud of, and I would be so envious if they fell into my neighbor’s hands… so is there a list somewhere that explains the Rapture baggage policy?


  103. RUCerious says:

    Dear Darling Daryll,

    Are you sure global warming isn’t caused by hell being so close to the center of the planet?


  104. RUCerious says:

    So, Daryll, you’re really just anticipating going skyward with a horde of naked chicks, right?


  105. RUCerious says:

    I thought God would charge $15.00 per bag, like the airlines..?


  106. belac says:

    No wordly materials. You will fly to God in the manner that you came into this earth, naked.
    So the bag packing is really more of a mental excersise? Kinda like those desert island records deals?

    P.S. Naked!?! Awesome! I’m so totally gonna sneak a look at Jessica Simpson on the way up!


  107. Bluestocking says:

    So let me see if I have this right…

    A mathematician/computer specialist is trying to claim that he’s more qualified to make decisions about global warming than a sizeable number of the nation’s PhD recipients in the collective sciences pertaining to climate?!?

    This would almost be laughable if it wasn’t such a poor reflection on what our country is becoming. Am I the only person who’s reminded of George Deutsch, the 20-something Bush administration appointee at NASA who hadn’t even officially graduated college (and had to resign for lying about it) and thought that he was sufficiently qualified to tell PhDs what they could and could not say about the Big Bang?!?


  108. RUCerious says:

    If you don’t follow the survival scroll (bible), you may find out.

    More likely, at the moment of your earthly demise, you’ll be startled to see that nothing exists afte…………..


  109. ralph the wonder llama says:

    Daryll Says:

    I bind every sexually devious spirit that is in you, IN THE NAME OF JESUS!

    Awight! D-bag in da HOWSE!

    Back to his old form! We missed ya, Daryll! Glad you’re feeling yourself again.
    (Oops! Did I just make a “shaking the devil off” joke?)


  110. belac says:

    Your sinful thoughts will keep you down here. Sin can add more unrighteous weight to your soul.

    Don’t I know it… I have been trying to slim down my soul for some time know but I have these 10 lbs. that just will not stay off!
    What’s your secret?
    BTW- is God as big a fan of your practical attitude to caring for his planet as I am?


  111. RUCerious says:

    Hmmm. St D, I just checked and those pesky sexually devious spirits inside me are just laughing their asses off at you!


  112. RUCerious says:

    Some pretty weak ass Jeebutz binding, if you ask me.
    I have paperbacks that are bound better. Try reading some Conan of Cimmeria, Daryll. His adventures are bound to stimulate you.


  113. Juan C. says:

    Daryll Says:

    I bind every sexually devious spirit that is in you, IN THE NAME OF JESUS!

    After you do that, send them over here… ;)


  114. gummitch says:

    Daryll Says:

    No wordly materials. You will fly to God in the manner that you came into this earth, naked.

    And I’m looking forward to the return of my foreskin.


  115. Leftside Annie says:

    So, Darryll, according to you, it’s just peachy-keen with God if you and the rest of His followers just say “Who cares?? Screw His creation! Pollute it, who gives a darn?”

    Is that about right?

    Hmmmm. If *I* were God, that attitude would seriously piss Me off, Darryll.

    You might want to re-think that screw-the-earth sh*t.


  116. nanlichi says:

    What is it with sex and Jesus and Daryll. Do you really think that’s Jesus that leaves you with a sore butt in the morning Daryll? You ever think that it could be Uncle Leonard having his way after the date drug kicks in?

    All this time you are praying to Jesus and you should have been sucking up to Uncle Leonard.

    So to speak.


  117. ninique says:

    uh…saint Darryl is it? I think yopu should know. humans don’t fly.


  118. Nevar says:

    I bind every sexually devious spirit that is in you, IN THE NAME OF JESUS! Daryll

    I’ve never tried that Daryll, what’s it like, bondage and all?


  119. dbadass says:

    Daryll Says:

    I bind every sexually devious spirit that is in you, IN THE NAME OF JESUS!


    Ah now theres the old Daryll back for sure!


  120. dbadass says:

    I tought it was cold in space. Will god give me a little slack if I want to bring along a sweater?


  121. belac says:

    I tought it was cold in space. Will god give me a little slack if I want to bring along a sweater?

    If he gets a sweater then I’m totally bringing a camera! Heaven is gonna look kick ass on my Myspace page!


  122. dbadass says:

    Can a borrow your camera to get some pics of the naked chicks? I’ll loan you my sweater


  123. Zooey says:

    Daryll Says:
    Your sinful thoughts will keep you down here. Sin can add more unrighteous weight to your soul.
    June 3rd, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    Cool. Earth is gonna be a pretty nice place without “Christians” like you.


  124. dbadass says:

    Those Shaolin monks and assorted other ass kicking eastern religions seem way ahead on this whole gig. They have been flying around ever since Crouching Tiger.
    On a related topic: Bruce Lee never had to fly around in weird poses in order to kick ass. What’s up with that?


  125. Zooey says:

    That was a long time ago, dbadass. People couldn’t fly then. :)


  126. belac says:

    Bruce Lee never had to fly around in weird poses in order to kick ass. What’s up with that?

    He did have to make really weird faces to kick ass… maybe that’s the first step to flying… if Heavy Metal guitarists start performing face-melting solos while flying we will know my theory is correct.


  127. dbadass says:

    I am thinking that Metal vocalists also have to do that weird think where they pose as if they are holding some sort of invisible mystical orb.


  128. Nevar says:

    I’d be happy just to be able to run up and down the bamboo trunks.


  129. sectionop92 says:

    Daryll Says:

    RUCerious Says:
    ——————————————————————————–

    Dear Darling Daryll,

    Are you sure global warming isn’t caused by hell being so close to the center of the planet?

    June 3rd, 2008 at 6:42 pm Recommend (0) | Report Abuse

    ——————————————————————————–

    If you don’t follow the survival scroll (bible), you may find out.

    June 3rd, 2008 at 6:44 pm

    Funny…I challenge God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit and everyone else to come to my door and tell me the secrets and stuff, but they never answer my call. Then again, why should I think my relationship problems are tied to me not showing enough affection for Jesus? Is he that petty? I didn’t know I needed to be bullied and beaten with the bible in-order to respect it. Then again, thinking the whole human race sprouted from two humans a couple of thousand years ago doesn’t make much mathematical sense either. I hope your bible has a built-in flotation device in-case of flooding on a global scale.


  130. dbadass says:

    I agree Nevar but when you can thrust one sword handling arm skyward like some sort of “Ultraman” (who btw: could do that cool shit when he crossed his arms)why do you need to run up and down stems?


  131. Nevar says:

    I’m just something of a nature boy, that’s all…


  132. dbadass says:

    I hear ya. Things have been slow lately but just becuase I have been busy. I did pick up Grey fox the other day but a skipped a birding trip with some buddies and they picked up 108 species in 24 hours. Dumb move on my part.

    Hey cool maybe Crusty Old Bastard can pull that out of context to argue my dumbness


  133. Nevar says:

    I had an injured hybrid black headed / rose breasted grosbeak (male)hopping around the fountain last week.

    Being from the East, I was trying to figure out why a seeming rose breasted was here in New Mexico. Only when it spread it’s wings could I see orange feathers all around it’s shoulders.

    Peterson’s solved the mystery for me, making mention of the hybrid. Still way out of it’s element, habitat wise, it could not fly, it hopped upwards to get water, and around the yard after seeds and such.


  134. dbadass says:

    Cool but what became of it. I assume you did not intervene. It has been some years since I stomped the SW. I really need to do a Big Bend or Copper Canyon trip but I am trying to save some dough and I think I might want to wait till my girls are old enough to be more involved. Trinidad and Tobago are still a must bird that I haven’t done yet as well.


  135. Nevar says:

    It was only there for a day, I only intervene if one hits the slider and I have to revive it.
    Fire season is off to a slow start here, I haven’t gotten away much, and even on my day off I’m on call and can’t go more than a few miles away.
    The “college crew” is coming back for another week, tomorrow, I really enjoy working with them, they absorb and dispense knowledge with equal measure.


  136. GL2814 says:

    Oh great. Next will be Bush blaming gay marriage on the Moon. After that, Cheney will blame Venus for terrorism. After that, Karl Rove will blame Pluto for the Valerie Plame outing.

    Anyone else want to take a stab at it?!


  137. USpace says:

    .
    It’s good to see a little bit more sanity. The truth is starting to come out. Over one third of climate scientists are skeptical that any global warming is caused by humans. Last week 9,000 scientists signed a petition stating that the debate is not closed, man-made GW is not settled science. It is not nearly as proven as ‘the earth is round’.

    .
    absurd thought -
    God of the Universe says
    raise the price of food

    starve millions for feel good
    environmentalism

    .
    absurd thought -
    God of the Universe says
    create food shortages

    by mandating that food
    be used to replace oil

    .
    The Great Global Warming Scandal Movie

    USpace

    :)
    .


  138. MyFreedomWings says:

    I despise the argument that it actually matters whether someone thinks it’s a natural cycle or manmade.
    It was politicians who started the whole “global warming is real!” craze. Regardless which one you believe in, chances are you agree that the weather pattern is different and therefore changing.

    What can we do? How about we change our ways for a wiser way of living. Oh look that means we get rid of all the crap people think causes Global warming, AND we’re better prepard in case the weather decides to REALLY get crazy. Lookit that. Amazing.

    I think people just like to fight over things instead of actually doing something that matters, sometimes.

    (I’m a bit cynical this morning *cough* ’scuse moi)

    >_> also, it does not take a rocket scientist to conclude that the sun is a major factor of the weather. A little skeptism is healthy, and I’ll grant you, a little paranoia’s healthy too. Thinking is good. And it’s refreshing to see a dissenting voice on this topic, for me.


  139. Nevar says:

    #
    MyFreedomWings Says:
    “I despise the argument that it actually matters whether someone thinks it’s a natural cycle or manmade.”

    and…

    “And it’s refreshing to see a dissenting voice on this topic, for me.”

    These are the first and last sentences of your post.

    LOL

    In between there was little to indicate what it is you are trying to say.


  140. shoeless says:

    ninique Says:

    uh…saint Darryl is it? I think yopu should know. humans don’t fly.

    No, but I saw in a movie that monkeys do. So, I guess that heaven will be full of monkeys and Darryl flinging their feces at each other.

    I don’t think I want to go.


  141. kuvasz says:

    dr west stated in the link

    He argues that these groups have done a poor job modeling the Sun’s impact, however, and that’s why they have “significantly over-estimated” the “anthropogenic contribution to global warming.”

    how does he substantiate this?


  142. shoeless says:

    kuvasz Says:

    how does he substantiate this?

    I think Darryl said it was in the Bible.


  143. pintosahab says:

    To all the friggin bible-thumpers: don’t you think God, Jesus, the dove, whoever, might give you a faster ticket to heaven if you showed the least bit of respect to nature? After all, you do believe that it was created by the big boss right? Or did it come out of someone’s rib a couple thousand years ago? Geez.


  144. pintosahab says:

    i meant respect to ‘earth’.



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