Comments on: Clarke On Iraq War Architects: ‘We Shouldn’t Let These People Back Into Polite Society’

By: ArtZ

ArtZ — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 19:26:35 +0000

Tweedster Says:

OUCH! That shun really stings!!
That was my point exactly, Tweedster.

By: Lusmu

Lusmu — Sun, 08 Jun 2008 10:30:03 +0000

More about the architects and their intelligence gathering:

“Did Iranian agents dupe Pentagon officials?”
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/257/story/40080.html

By: Cleanthes

Cleanthes — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 22:36:00 +0000

Coming here from Winds of Change, so perhaps I err in commenting..

This has all happened before; and it will happen again. Iraq often sits at the locus of trouble.

By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.

We hanged our harps upon the willows in the midst thereof.

For there they that carried us away captive required of us a song; and they that wasted us required of us mirth, saying, Sing us one of the songs of Zion.

How shall we sing the LORD’s song in a strange land?

If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand forget her cunning.

If I do not remember thee, let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth; if I prefer not Jerusalem above my chief joy.

Remember, O LORD, the children of Edom in the day of Jerusalem; who said, Rase it, rase it, even to the foundation thereof.

O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.

Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

By: marlow

marlow — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 17:48:03 +0000

Should Obama win, chimpy will leave two things behind. A blanket pardon for his entire staff, and WWW III in the Middle-East. He will take with him all the presidential records from RR, Bush I, and his own administration. That’s what we’ll need to deal with.

By: LumpyDunky

LumpyDunky — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 16:06:08 +0000

Well, sadly as with ALL politics, everything will get swept nice and neatly under the rug and the American Sheeple will be white washed. Never fails.

JT
Online Privacy when it Counts

By: ernieson

ernieson — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 15:38:36 +0000

Not only no longer should they be in polite society, but no longer should they be in any society. Where are the vigilantes? The wheels of justice will not work to give the evil ones the treatment they deserve.

By: pak9009

pak9009 — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 15:02:56 +0000

The biggest myth perpetuated by the media is that we live in a participatory democratic republic with a two party system. Its a good cop bad cop show for the masses performed by Corporate whores. Congress does not give a rat’s ass about the Constitution or the lives of the American people. It’s reached the point where they don’t even try to hide the fact anymore ie Rockefellars statement. These neocons should be tried as war criminals and when found guilty they should suffer the same fate as Saddam.

By: theswan

theswan — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 14:01:00 +0000

Frankly, Richard Clarke is just being too nice. Overt criminals deserve lots of jail time. Being that the US has a reputation for jailing small time offenders for lengthy periods, I see no reason to keep the likes of this administration’s criminals free to do as they please.
Fair justice is the only remedy, and lengthy jail stays seem appropiate for these people.
Sadamm was ruthless and deserving and so are Bush and his henchmen.

By: representativepress

representativepress — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 07:20:31 +0000

See Video: War Crime Sold By Neocon Deception, IMPEACH NOW! Read about UPI reporter revealing what Neocons told him before the war.

By: green

green — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 00:31:35 +0000

job6879 Says:

I agree completely. We still do not know the exact number of Iraqi deaths and injuries. Some say over 100,000 and some say over half a million. All because of lies – and intentional lies at that. This is why charges of 1st degree murder must be initiated in US courts – and someday the Hague. This has been the most shameful period in recent history. It makes me sick!

By: job6879

job6879 — Sat, 07 Jun 2008 00:06:11 +0000

“4,000 Americans dead and 25,000 Americans grieviously wounded, and”

Yes, a horrible tragedy.

However, I am never able to understand why the Iraqi
civilian death and wounded toll is never mentioned by
people outraged at this crime.

Perhaps they are not worth mentioning because they are
not considered human beings.

If they were considered human, with feelings and families
just like Americans, perhaps this invasion would never
have happened even if Iraq did have WMD.

By: green

green — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:54:11 +0000

Actually they can all be tried for first degree murder for all the American deaths and injuries. Unfortunately, they cannot be tried for all the deaths and suffering they caused to the Iraqi people. Bu$h, Cheney, Rice and Rummy – especially Bu$h (the buck stops here) can and should be tried in any American state or district court upon his departure from OUR White House. With hope, President Obama will enter into the International World Court – and then the rest of the world can also decide what to do to these terrorists.

By: piniella

piniella — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:50:18 +0000

Rumsfeld was also honored by the Claremont Institute. On Nov. 17, he was given the Winston Churchill Statesmenship Award.
The followers of Leo Strauss are especially fond of Churchill.

By: Carly Corday

Carly Corday — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 22:49:03 +0000

lefttown, I agree with you 100%, would agree 101% except that there is no earthly chance these f**k*rs will come forth and admit their crimes! I’d be thrilled to even see Richard Clarke’s notion of retribution come true. Bush will retire to his ranch, his self-stroking delusions, his rocking chair and his grandkids. Cheney will retire richer than God–he already has, in essense. He spent the anniversary of MISSION ACCOMPLISHED on a yacht owned by the Sultan of Oman. Here on earth, Cheney IS God. That will last him until he dies. Wonder how many heart transplants he’s had, and are the doctors getting the hearts from young, living people yet? That will come, if it hasn’t. Nothing in fiction can touch the pass we have come to here and now, in Reality.

By: Carly Corday

Carly Corday — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 22:41:03 +0000

We the People can bestow a rich dukedom and a couple of lavish earldoms on the future “Lord” Richard Cheney come 2009, it’s only right. Petreaus can be Archbishop of Flatterbury with extensive vinyards, lands, and serfs. It’s the way things are [STILL] done. Oh, yes, it is. And we like it. Obviously!

By: lefttown

lefttown — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 22:34:42 +0000

I like Richard Clarke, and I admire him tremendously. That said, I DON’T like his idea of a “Truth and Reconciliation Committee,” as he discussed it on KO. That idea is a nonstarter, in my opinion.
It seems to me that all it entails is a bunch of politically-appointed “Grand Poobahs” sit at a table, Bush and Cheney come before them and confess their crimes, and they tell them they’re forgiven.
Torture. Millions of innocent Iraqis dead. A country in ruins, our economy in ruins, jobs gone, our Constitution shredded, 4000 American soldiers dead, many soldier’s lives in shambles, and our standing in the world gone.
And they say: “We’re sorry.” and the bigshots say: “That’s okay.”?!!!
Sorry, Mr. Clarke. Not good enough by a long shot.

By: nanlichi

nanlichi — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 22:14:36 +0000

I feel sorry for McCain, poor old coot has the mannerisms and delivery of one of the first robot toys that came out in the early 60’s.

I asked a good friend who has been living in Barcelona for the last 5 years what Europeans thought of Obama and she said that he is generating as much enthusiasm over there as he is here.

My sons, 23 and 21 and their friends are engaged and energized like I haven’t seen for years. This is going to be a royal ass kicking. I just hope Obama doesn’t stop when Johnny taps out.

I am outa here. Pleasure to know you guys, vicarious as it is.

By: upside99

upside99 — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:58:05 +0000

nanlichi,

All points well taken, and I think as Obama starts going head to (empty) skull with Johnny Boy, the differentiation will become even more obvious. This will be like watching a gun fight where McSame brought his trusty pocket knife.

By: nanlichi

nanlichi — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:50:32 +0000

upside99,

I agree with you and have noticed the same thing. Maybe, just maybe some of them are moving past the denial stage and into acceptance. Maybe Scotty had more impact than I originally thought. It’s one thing to have upside99 call you a dumfck for believing Bush’s lies, it’s another to hear that from what used to be a credible source.

I think that 25% poll that rogers tried to piss on earlier may drop even further.

By: upside99

upside99 — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:46:45 +0000

Or, as Darth has said, “They are in the final throes of troll Jihad”.