You speak like a racist; angry, confused, and lost. You’re preaching your values of denying others the freedoms you have. Kinda selfish, don’t you think? Maybe you should try having a nice calm conversation with some of those Christians. Might learn something. “Might” is the operative word.

Been studying US history from things the founding fathers wrote. I am now convinced that Chistians founded this country on the Bible principles. Seems to have worked better than any other government. Now there are enemies trying to tear our meathouse down and know what? A very healthy percentage of our troops are Christians.

Have you served the country that gave you your freedoms? I have, several times in several ways. I contribute to the solutions, not the problems.

Do you even know what our freedoms are?

I do. Boy, what an education I’m getting from the founders. These guys had guts and put it all on the line, many hunted down and killed after we won the Revolutionary War. Many of these wealthy farmers, lawyers, engineers, etc. lost everything, including families, for something they believed in and we enjoy today. Of the 55 who signed the Declaration of Independence, an act of Treason against the Crown, 52 were Christians. Before we cut down on them, maybe we should know what they’re about?

This COBRA is not a snake.

Lighten up Jesus freaks. You don’t have the answer, and it’s annoying that you have to shove your religion in our face. If you were secure in your beliefs, you wouldn’t have the need for public display.

June 6th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
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That’s an odd statement, nan. If you don’t believe we have the answer, why get so bothered about it? Displaying a religious symbol is hardly having it shoved in your face. Unless you think the Constitution somehow promises you will be protected from any exposure to the fact that the majority of the people in this country are Christians. That’s some twisted logic that tells you believers display symbols because they are insecure in their faith. They are actually quite secure in their faith and want others to know that.
Christians in some countries have to hide their Christianity. Sounds like a lot of posters here would like the same for the U.S. ;)

Joe Cantwell’s point is the crux of the arguement. If the ordinary vanity plates cost $70 and the faith-based plates cost $6, something’s wrong with this picture. Why have two sets of costs for the same products?
June 6th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
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The excess from the $70 plates goes to the sponsoring organization. I’m sure those ordering the “I Believe” plates would be happy to pay $70 and have the excess go to the church of their choice. Same cost for the same product. Better?

This one is done; toast. Nothing to be gained from trying to explain what our country stands for and against.

Hey stoooopid! It is NOT a personal belief it it comes on a government sanctioned product. Why can you not understand that perfectly reasonable explanation? Put a cross on your lawn; no problem. Put a cross on you roof; no problem. Put a cross on you abstinence shorts; no problem. Put the fu(king cross on a government produced item IS THE PROBLEM. Geez, what a dunce.

i don’t support their religion with my money.

and they don’t have to support mine.

it’s called freedom baby!

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do what jesus would do…? he’d get a fu*king bumper sticker and pay for it with money he earned himself. why can’t you be more christ-like in your beliefs? that is of course, if you really do believe.

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hmmm, was i being “adversarial, sarcastic, confrontational attitude”? sheesh why so sensitive?

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it is when it’s paid for with my tax dollars.

sorry, you lose. again.

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btw – would you wear your “i believe” license plate on the back of your abstinence pants?

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what would jesus do? or don’t you care?

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By the way, I’m most interested to know where in our US Constitution or Bill of Rights that you read anything about a “separation of church and state”. The closest you could come is the first amendment which allows for freedom of religion. It simply says that congress won’t pass laws respecting establishment of state religion, that’s it. Pretty clear to me. Let people buy their “I believe” license plates, its not your business to tell them what plates that they can have.

The answer is 42. Moving on.
June 6th, 2008 at 3:17 pm

Thanks! bit likes to the point answers.

Joey, not the most discerning of posters, eh bud?;)

no, i guess you’re not. big of you to admit it.

btw – do you own a pair of abstinence pants? i’m sure you do so i’d like to ask
you, as an “intellectual” conservative, is it a commitment for you or just a fashion statement?

;)

uppie, read before you write.

k?

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June 6th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
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Joey, not the most discerning of posters, eh bud?;)

And that loose interpretation of our laws is what was responsible for Bush tearing up our Constitution. We have a law and a belief that our government is neutral to religion – all religions. It is truly that simple. Do I care of they have that on their plates? No, I don’t. Did the founding fathers care? Yes they did; and I follow that position. A law is the law. No, it is not merely a ‘vanity plate’. It is a statement – sanctioned by our government – which is holding one religion up over the others. We are a secular government; at least before the dry drunk stumbled into our White House.

Live and let live also means not alienating your fellow citizens, no?

The answer is 42. Moving on.

Hey, it’s more plausible than most religions.

upright left Says:
You have some close family members who are Christians, don’t you zoo? Do they think there’s any difference? Do they excuse themselves for everything? Or does that just apply to all the Christians to whom you have no personal connection?

June 6th, 2008 at 1:06 pm

Read closely, I said “christians” like you. Not all christians are like you.

I don’t have a separate set of standards for family.

June 6th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
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Yeah, I noticed that. I sounds kind of like the way racial bigots used to say, “Well, the blacks that I know are ok. It’s all those other bad ones that I don’t like.” Different issue, same bigotry and excuse. ;)