Poll: 74 percent of GOP lawmakers don’t believe in manmade global warming.
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By on Jun 9th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Poll: 74 percent of GOP lawmakers don’t believe in manmade global warming.
In its recent “congressional insiders poll,” the National Journal questioned 39 GOP senators and congressmen about whether they believe global warming is manmade. The results:
Some of their explanations concluded, “Human contribution is minimal,” and “It’s been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Democrats are OK with the idea of surrendering our spot atop the world economy.”
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Hey, isn’t that number already owned by Bush? Isn’t that his approval rating? Think it’s the same folks? I realize that the “percent” is misleading, because it only represents 39 people, but still…
I don’t believe in coincidences!
PEACE
June 9th, 2008 at 4:37 pmYou have the title and the facts a little topsy turvy, TP,
I read that 26 percent DO believe in man-made global warming…
June 9th, 2008 at 4:37 pm74 per cent of republicans do not believe it has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt…
You mean ONLY 26% DO BELIEVE in man-made global warming , TP , judging by the chart you have posted…….
June 9th, 2008 at 4:37 pmPoll: 26 percent of GOP lawmakers don’t believe in manmade global warming.
In its recent “congressional insiders poll,” the National Journal questioned 39 GOP senators and congressmen about whether they believe global warming is manmade.
Okay, I have read this three times…shouldn’t the headline read 74 percent don’t believe it?
June 9th, 2008 at 4:38 pmTP’s headline makes the GOP look better than they really are?
Is no media outlet safe from Rupert Murdoch and Faux-Newsification?
June 9th, 2008 at 4:39 pm“It’s been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Democrats are OK with the idea of surrendering our spot atop the world economy.”
Can we say “flailing?”
What a ridiculous statement! :D
June 9th, 2008 at 4:40 pm“It’s been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Democrats are OK with the idea of surrendering our spot atop the world economy.”
Idiots! If our worst fears concerning global warming come true then being top dog isn’t going to count for much.
This post also confirms the obvious, that Republicans believe what they want to believe, reality doesn’t enter into it.
http://progressiveworldreview.com
June 9th, 2008 at 4:42 pmDitto on what others are saying: the numbers are reversed.
ONLY 26% believe…
June 9th, 2008 at 4:43 pm“It’s been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Democrats are OK with the idea of surrendering our spot atop the world economy.”
Umm… didn’t tax cuts during wartime pretty much take care of that already?
With a little help from outsourcing jobs, unregulated financial markets and massive federal debt, of course…
June 9th, 2008 at 4:44 pm“In its recent “congressional insiders poll,” the National Journal questioned 39 GOP senators and congressmen about whether they believe global warming is manmade.”
That’s only 30 Republican lawmakers who don’t believe global warming has been proven to be caused by human pollution. They are a combination of Senators and congressmen, and they are all “congressional insiders”, in effect a select group.
June 9th, 2008 at 4:47 pmWhat is the distinction between a “congressional insider”, and a plain old legislator? Inquiring minds await.
Keltoi: “Okay, I have read this three times…shouldn’t the headline read 74 percent don’t believe it?”
That’s why you’re number 4.
June 9th, 2008 at 4:52 pmWhy are so many GOPers so proud of their self-imposed willful ignorance? They seem arrogant and ignorant beyond belief.
June 9th, 2008 at 4:53 pmAnd the whole world has seen how dangerous THAT combination has been the past 7 1/2 years!
June 9th, 2008 at 4:56 pmHuh? TP, your headline isn’t matching your content. Even if you DID have the 26% “yes” figure in the data matching the 26% “no” figure in the headline (and that topsy-turvy was pointed out by Nevar and others), the wording is a bit misleading.
The question asked includes the phrase “proven beyond a reasonable doubt.” This isn’t the same as “don’t believe” — as I think there could be a number of those polled who believe that man-caused global warming is probable or likely, but might balk at committing to “proven beyond a reasonable doubt.”
We all know that global warming is a huge concern for the world, and there is plenty of evidence to back that up. So much that we really don’t need to sensationalize the data with incorrect headlines.
Would you like to just scratch this whole thing and try again? :-)
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Nevar Says:
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Keltoi: “Okay, I have read this three times…shouldn’t the headline read 74 percent don’t believe it?”
That’s why you’re number 4.
I am a Troll, Nevar, I always triple check when I am editing the site itself - simple good manners from a guest.
June 9th, 2008 at 4:57 pmIt’s beyond the shadow of a doubt that the reichwing wants us to surrender our place in the world community to enrich the corporate masters.
June 9th, 2008 at 4:57 pmConservatives going against science and facts are nothing new, examples evolution, and stem cell’s.
“It’s been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Democrats are OK with the idea of surrendering our spot atop the world economy.”
June 9th, 2008 at 4:58 pmThese people need to enter reality. Making our society more energy efficient will help the economy, not hurt it. Switching to renewable alternative fuels will provide jobs for thousands,
eliminate foreign control of our energy supply, and prevent these 100% gas price rises that bankrupt millions of Americans.
These GOP senators need to take a look at Norway, Denmark, and Iceland, all are using large portions of renewable alternative fuels and trust me it did not destroy their economy.
It is the anti-global warming and anti-alternative fuels crowd that is destroying our economy they are the ones who stopped us from getting of oil, and look what were that got us, $4+ gasoline.
87% of TP Posters think this thread is BS…(BasSackwards)…
June 9th, 2008 at 4:59 pmI’m just breaking wind in your direction, Keltoi, I read it at least that many times myself, and once more before I hit the submit button…
June 9th, 2008 at 4:59 pmOh, and WHERE the HELL is my HYDROGEN filling station? I’m losing my damn patience!
June 9th, 2008 at 4:59 pm1 in 4 Americans, including Congress Critters, are that stupid.
Sadly enough, as Spencer’s Mom points out, it’s the same ratings we see for Genghis Chimp.
Remember the Statue of Liberty in ‘Planet of the Apes’? Was that, perhaps, portending what happens when a Chimp runs the USA?
Where’s Charlton Heston when you need him? Oh, that’s right; he was with Chimpy!
June 9th, 2008 at 5:01 pmTo be scrupulously fair to the small sample of Republicans who took part in the survey, one of them was quoted:
“Put it this way: Is there anyone who reasonably believes that the emissions caused by man have no effect on the environment? It doesn’t take a degree in science to accept the concept that the actions of billions of people driving millions of cars do indeed impact the world around us.”
Pretty sound thinking, from my perspective.
Of course, this is a decidedly minority view in that caucus…
June 9th, 2008 at 5:03 pmIm not sure who implied this…but its wrong. The greedy folks driving up prices keep the American people from consuming. The securities bubble, predatory highly leveraged credit schemes, has cause losses of hundreds of billions if not a trillion. High fuel prices, 70% of oil futures are speculative traders, keep people from consuming. Wars add to the problem of inflation which drive prices up and decreases the ability of Americans to spend.
Its not democrats, its called capitalists.
June 9th, 2008 at 5:04 pmabramhoff/mccain link
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/ 2008/ 06/ house_committee_report_details_abramoff.php
June 9th, 2008 at 5:05 pmThese GOP polls (once the reversal is corrected) make more sense when you question those same members about whether they’re “rapture-ready”.
June 9th, 2008 at 5:06 pmDid any of them try “It is the sun I tells ya. The sun!!!”
June 9th, 2008 at 5:06 pmJebus. Repukes are reaaaaaaaaaaaal stoopid.
I guess all our water pollution comes from fish poop, eh?
*eyes rolling*
June 9th, 2008 at 5:06 pmI’m just hoping TP catches this before someone like BilloReally does.
OT, but what the heck…. His (O’Really’s) producer, Porter Barry, received a thorough thrashing from Bill Moyers at the National Conference for Media Reform, after ambushing Moyers in a hallway.
I’m just amazed someone like that would even show up at such an event. Much less go after someone like Bill Moyers…Way out of his league.
There’s a whole lot more, very entertaining, check it out…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ the-uptake/ fox-ambushes-bill-moyers_b_106047.html
June 9th, 2008 at 5:07 pmNot to worry db, the flying spaghetti fairy will save us all. Pastafarians only, of course.
June 9th, 2008 at 5:08 pmFish do other “dirtier” things in the water ya know, yeesh.
June 9th, 2008 at 5:09 pmThanks all — it’s been fixed.
June 9th, 2008 at 5:09 pmThanks Amanda, it’s scary when it seems like 74% of them get it and still choose to do nothing about it.
June 9th, 2008 at 5:11 pmUPDATE UPDATE! OT but Scotty has just agreed to testify on June 20!
“Former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, whose scathing memoir about his time in the Bush administration sent waves through Washington D.C., has agreed to testify before the House Judiciary Committee, a senior committee official told The Huffington Post.
McClellan, who detailed the “propaganda” campaign that led to the Iraq war in his book, “What Happened,” is scheduled to appear on June 20.
His hearing will focus primarily on the investigation into the outing of CIA agent Valerie Plame, an episode that McClellan has said was driven by political motivations from within the Oval Office. But the committee could press the former press secretary on other matters within its jurisdiction, including the possible authorization of torture by administration officials (though it remains to be seen how much knowledge McClellan has of that topic).”
June 9th, 2008 at 5:11 pmOur top spot atop the worlds economy is not because we own the world but because we OWE the world. We are no longer a creditor nation, we are a debtor nation. How is being in debt up to their eyeballs put them atop the worlds economy?
Now, if we were speaking of defense budgets…we rule!!
June 9th, 2008 at 5:12 pmEw, Shayne…just …ew. :o/
~A
June 9th, 2008 at 5:12 pmBut how many agree with global warming thats exacerbated by man-made CO2?
June 9th, 2008 at 5:15 pmYes, why does this not surprise anyone? These are the same people who will not listen to scientists, they will not listen to foreign policy experts, they will not listen to sociologists, they will only listen to true believers.
June 9th, 2008 at 5:16 pmI guess if Chocolate Jesus can do it, so can I. OT on Grampy’s first wife:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/ femail/ article-1024927/ The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html
June 9th, 2008 at 5:17 pmThis is why repugs are so ignorant. they really believe they can suspend science and rewrite facts to their narrow beliefs.
June 9th, 2008 at 5:18 pmWell, man-made global warming is not a proven scientific fact. Its theory. I don’t see why so many people have so much faith in an unproven theory of man-made global warming when the science behind it is so obviously political and is not even conclusive. The proposed remedies are very expensive and frankly I am suspicious that many of the people trying to stop global warming through legislation are doing so for political reasons rather than environmental reasons.
June 9th, 2008 at 5:27 pmSeems if God wanted caretakers of the earth, He’d choose His likeness to do that. It’s always seemed like ‘conservatives’ are on the wrong side of this issue. If it’s a sin not to do anything, you may be left behind.
June 9th, 2008 at 5:27 pmAnd there’s the problem. To an authoritarian, only what is believed is considered true and personal prejudice has more to do with what is believed than direct observation of reality. Damn the facts, they believe what they want. And that’s what makes them dangerous.
Their delusions are so unassailable that arguments from a realistic perspective don’t even register. And, in this particular case, there is no possible way to convince them of the reality of global warming because it directly challenges their sense of entitlement. Plus, since they made it a “librul issue”, they dismiss any new data as part of the left-wing conspiracy.
June 9th, 2008 at 5:29 pmShhh! There’s one now.
June 9th, 2008 at 5:30 pmTwo things:
1) If we get the Global Warming question wrong, we will kill the only planet we live on. In 50 years, our children will look at us and wonder why we didn’t run the Global Warming deniers out of town on a rail.
2) The GOP likes to lie to itself and say we area super power; we are not. The last 7+ years have been sqandered and we now owe - OWE - more than we can probably ever pay off. And we owe all that money to a sworn enemy: China.
The GOP is full if sh!t, as always. They wrap themselves up in the flag, a bible, and their unattractive mistress - all the while telling us not to woory about all the corruption we see.
June 9th, 2008 at 5:30 pmWait till he gets a little closer….
June 9th, 2008 at 5:31 pmgunclinger:
June 9th, 2008 at 5:31 pmCould you please site by name the many people you believe are trying to stop global warming for political reasons rather than environmental reasons and might you also explain what their political motivations are in your mind. I think that would be a better jumping off point. Thanks
There’s another one higher up that’s pretty wary, it might still be there watching to give the alarm…
June 9th, 2008 at 5:34 pmpete Says:
And there’s the problem. To an authoritarian, only what is believed is considered true and personal prejudice has more to do with what is believed than direct observation of reality. Damn the facts, they believe what they want. And that’s what makes them dangerous.
Exactly! That is the problem. They were told by their home schooled parents that if it wasn’t in the Bible, it isn’t true. They believe! And to them, that is enough. They don’t know; but they believe.
They love to have authority lord over them as they have no conscience of their own. They must be TOLD what to believe; so they tune into those paragons of virture at Faux Noise.
This issue could be terminal to humans and the planet. Why would the home schooled want to chance that?
June 9th, 2008 at 5:36 pmI think that would be a better jumping off point. Thanks
What, the ledge of a tall building? I heard trolls can fly. Maybe someone can verify this for me.
June 9th, 2008 at 5:38 pmImbeciles, liars, or both.
June 9th, 2008 at 5:41 pmHere’s a great read about the mindset of authoritarians. Well worth the time in understanding why Republicans think like they do.
http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/
June 9th, 2008 at 5:41 pmgunclinger Says:
“Well, man-made global warming is not a proven scientific fact.”
There is better than 95% chance that it is.
June 9th, 2008 at 5:44 pmStratRat,
Im not a troll, so stop your nonsense and try to imagine for a minute that someone else has different opinions than you. I resent being labeled a troll simply because I don’t agree with some of you. I have my own opinions and some of you should try being a bit more tolerant of other views, even if you don’t agree.
dbadass,
June 9th, 2008 at 5:46 pmObviously global warming is political. That’s why we’re discussing it on this political blog of course. Do you honestly think that the pro-kyoto type folks are solely interested in the environment?
Even though the science is clearly inconclusive at this point, some politicians want to pass punitive type legislature in attempt to influence global climate trends, which I find a bit amusing, but whatever. Frankly, there are a lot of people out there who do resent America’s progress and who do feel that we enjoy a standard of living that we don’t deserve. I’m not willing to lower my standard of living, nor sacrifice our economy when the science is not conclusive. You should be supporting more scientific studies, ones void of bias or politics so we can really see what’s going on.
Regardless how many times people say that “the debate is over” on this subject, its clearly not over and will rightly continue until the science can be proven.
So that still leaves 5% uncertainty! And if your faith-based worldview and love of status quo depends on it, 5% is enough uncertainty to refuse to admit anything.
June 9th, 2008 at 5:47 pmIt’s beyond a reasonable doubt, that most of these rethuglicans will be out of work in January and faced with an “anti-lobbyist” Obama administration.
June 9th, 2008 at 5:48 pmgunclinger, global warming is only political because the RIGHT has decided that it is political.
Global warming deniers are ALWAYS from the Right. Their ammunition consists generally of distortion, attacking Al Gore, or inflating the impact of uncertainty.
The vast majority of scientists are not political. Or at least, they weren’t until the arrogance and disregard for their work shown by the Bush administration may have turned them political.
But to claim that science is liberal is just absurd, unless you accept that facts and reality have a liberal bias. Come to think of it, don’t dismiss it so easily. It might be the strongest argument you can make.
June 9th, 2008 at 5:52 pmgunclinger:
June 9th, 2008 at 5:53 pmSo if I follow, the still unnamed “lot of people” resent America’s progress and that is the motivator. Am I correct? (BTW: you may want to check your use of America as it is annoying to the many Americans who do not reside the the USA). Now would you include Mr Lieberman among these “lot of people”? Please be more specific. Thanks again
gunclinger:”Well, man-made global warming is not a proven scientific fact. Its theory.”
Just like gravity. Right?
June 9th, 2008 at 5:56 pmThanks for the link ralph, I posted it at TheZoo and gave you credit for the find.
June 9th, 2008 at 5:57 pmSweet! thanks, Shayne.
June 9th, 2008 at 5:59 pmWell. That erases any remaining doubts about the depths of the “new” sockpuppet’s trollishness. Here are four simple, and undisputed, facts.
1. According to the best data from throughout the geological record, average global temperature and high quantities of greenhouse gases are directly proportional.
2. Since the beginning of sampling data, which roughly corresponds with the dawn of the industrial age, human emissions, atmospheric CO2 and average world temperature have, despite local temporary fluctuations, risen proportionately.
3. Over, approximately, the last 40 years human emissions, atmospheric CO2 and average global temps have risen proportionally at an alarming rate.
4. Numerous predictions about the effects of these trends (shrinking glaciers for example) have been proven correct, except that many of these predicted events are happening faster than originally predicted. And they are accelerating more rapidly than some of the most dire warnings. (NOTE: Many of these predictions have held true despite other weather fluctuations, such as el nino. The effects of global climate change are clearly operating independently of these other fluctuations.)
Most anyone with even a casual appreciation of the dynamics of climatology are left with only one conclusion. Global climate change is real and man made.
On a personal note. As a naturalist who has spent most of my life along a boundary between climate zones, I have seen global warming. I’ve seen it in the seasons, the behavior of wild things and the invasion by “warm weather” species. Even such things as migration patterns and the dropping of fall foliage have changed significantly. Many of these changes are recent, sudden and severe, and they are things which had not changed since prehistoric times. I needed some help connecting dots, but, I have directly observed global warming all my life.
June 9th, 2008 at 6:00 pmRalph llama,
June 9th, 2008 at 6:01 pmI never once said the science on global warming was “liberal”. I said it was inconclusive. If man-made global warming is proven scientific fact, I’ll be a big supporter of creative, fair and effective ideas to help prevent it. Until then, there’s no reason to unfairly punish Americans just because the Democrat politicians want to come off as being pro-environment friends to their constituents. Btw, for those bashing the GOP (I’m not btw), it seems to me that their party has moved in the direction of global warming. Probably because they figured out how to make money off global warming and that carbon credit nonsense.
FYI gumwinger, nuclear physics, you know the kind that created the atom bomb and nuclear energy is made up of nothing but theories. You homeschoolers really need to let somebody other than your mothers teach you science.
June 9th, 2008 at 6:07 pmFollow the money. The ONLY so-called scientists who express ANY serious doubt about man’s role in global climate change are, directly or indirectly, employed in the energy industry. Every single one of ‘em.
June 9th, 2008 at 6:08 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
Global warming deniers are ALWAYS from the Right. Their ammunition consists generally of distortion, attacking Al Gore, or inflating the impact of uncertainty.
And don’t forget the Muddying the Waters tactic. All they have to do is toss in some questionable science performed by the oil/coal/[insert polluter of choice] and then they can scream uncertainty.
“I’m not willing to lower my standard of living, nor sacrifice our economy.” In other words, he’s willing to let big biz crap on the entire planet to make a few extra bucks then pass this polluted planet to his kids.
Being clean is not going to bankrupt our country — just the opposite. There is going to be billions made in green technology. If we don’t start now other countries will be leading the way and making the green (bad pun intended).
June 9th, 2008 at 6:08 pmpete Says:
“I have directly observed global warming all my life.”
Thanks pete, for a well written and concise post.
June 9th, 2008 at 6:08 pmI share and echo your observations.
Global warming deniers tend to focus their attentions on man made possessions and lifestyles. They are unaware and unwilling to observe or accept anything which threatens the security they derive from those possessions and the artificial life support systems they are dependent on.
gunclinger:
June 9th, 2008 at 6:09 pmYou seem to be having a problem with a basic tenet of science. Might I assist?
StratRat,
Im not a troll, so stop your nonsense and try to imagine for a minute that someone else has different opinions than you. I resent being labeled a troll simply because I don’t agree with some of you. I have my own opinions and some of you should try being a bit more tolerant of other views, even if you don’t agree.
Do go on…The opinions we are discussing will have an impact on the planet I leave my kids and grandkids - that makes it a personal fight for me. You are a troll. A TROLL. I read your posts and they sound as though they being being recited by a small child. No facts….Start with facts, then move on to opinion. If you are not a scientist - I am not - then your opinion means didley. Find facts we can discuss.
Facts are on the side of Global Warming brought about by widespread increases in CO2 within the atmosphere. Man is partly the reason the CO2 have increased so much. Thousands of scientists - I mean real ones, not the ones Inhofe would parade out - have stated this fact. I know facts are hard to come by during your allegiance to Bush meetings, but please try to pull your cranium from the GOP butt.
You can see more clearly, Troll! We don’t have a difference of opinion, we have a difference of IQ. I am sorry to say you pulled the short straw.
June 9th, 2008 at 6:12 pm- gunclinger
How typical, just like you people want war, war, war but you don’t want to pay taxes to cover what you’re doing now. Leave it to out children to pay for your sins financially and physically because you pigs don’t want to lower your standards of living. You people are disgusting.
June 9th, 2008 at 6:14 pmYou people are disgusting.
Yes, they are Shayne.
June 9th, 2008 at 6:18 pmYou said it was “political”.
You keep saying the science is “inconclusive”, and you say it with an air of certainty. Yet many more learned folks disagree with you:
http://www.greenhouse.gov.au/ science/ publications/ major-achievements.html
http://topics.nytimes.com/ top/ news/ science/ topics/ globalwarming/ index.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/ stories/ 2006/ 03/ 17/ 60minutes/ main1415985.shtml
http://disturbingtrends.org/ 2007/ 02/ is-climate-change-politics-or-science.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/5279390.stm
You also seem pretty sure of yourself when you say:
there’s no reason to unfairly punish Americans just because the Democrat politicians want to come off as being pro-environment friends to their constituents
Do you consider opportunities for innovation “punishment”?
Are you content to let OPEC dictate our way of life? That, to me, sounds more like “punishment”.
The drive to develop new clean energy technologies seems to me much closer to an opportunity for the US to exploit its technological and educational advantages to regain the global lead in the energy infrastructure and economy of the future.
But then, sounds like I have more confidence in the power of American drive and discovery than you do.
June 9th, 2008 at 6:19 pm“74 percent of GOP lawmakers don’t believe in manmade global warming.”
And about the same percentage of GOP lawmakers believe Adam rode a dinosaur to work.
(As a side note, I object to the wording “believe in man-made global warming”, on the basis that it makes a well-supported scientific explanation sound like a religious matter, something one can choose to “convert” to -which is absolutely not the case.)
June 9th, 2008 at 6:20 pmStratRat, nice takedown.
June 9th, 2008 at 6:20 pmI wonder where gunclinger stood on the whole “invade Iraq” question in 2003?
I wonder if he saw the BushCo marketing campaign as “not conclusive”.
June 9th, 2008 at 6:22 pmYou’re welcome Nevar. It’s one of my favorite topics.
One also needs to consider the other damage our insane drive to burn stuff is doing. Remember “acid rain”? It’s still getting worse and now there’s a new one (that was predicted in the 19th century) called oceanic acidification. Basically, when there is more CO2 in the air the ocean absorbs more. As water absorbs CO2 it becomes more acidic. One of the chief problems with this is that any tiny rise in acidity interferes with the ability of various invertebrates to make shells. Worst possible case? Every shelled ocean creature goes extinct and takes nearly everything else with them.
And that’s just one.
The simple fact is that we, as a species, need to consider the effect we have when we burn stuff. If our planet is to continue to support anything approaching the number of people it does now? We MUST burn less stuff per person. We MUST make changes but sacrifices will be superficial. Though, I must admit, I regret the inevitability that we MUST sacrifice size and performance in vehicles. But anyone who claims we need to destroy the world’s economy or return to caves is either a frightened child or an oil man.
June 9th, 2008 at 6:25 pmDamn will there be enough for the entire pack to meet their individual caloric needs? Some sort of feeding heirarchy is gonna need to be established.
June 9th, 2008 at 6:27 pmThanks for writing these reasonable and insightful posts, pete.
June 9th, 2008 at 6:34 pmI read about the oceanic acidification recently, on the BBC I believe.
It really isn’t all that hard to change habits. Once it becomes a necessity. I see a noticeable difference already in my own driving habits, others as well.
They don’t need a legit hierarchy db. They just sneak out to McD’s and bill the time as “fact finding”. Of course that gives their, equally moral, colleagues a chance to rifle their files.
June 9th, 2008 at 6:36 pmThey don’t last long, do they dbadass?
June 9th, 2008 at 6:38 pmThink I’ll scout out further afield, either that or go take a nap…. sleeping is a viable way to conserve caloric consumption, yes?
ralph the wonder llama Says:
StratRat, nice takedown
It’s getting easier and easier. Thanks for the kind words.
June 9th, 2008 at 6:42 pmpeace gentleman. I have to split before I start ranting about what I have seen happen to our oceans.
June 9th, 2008 at 6:44 pmThat’s what’s so frustrating. There will be some initial cost, but, there is so much that can be done and won’t detract from quality of life in any way. There is no legit reason to build most roofs without solar panels. There’s no legit reason not to use the latest scrubber technology on every smokestack and exhaust pipe. There’s no legit reason why every possible gram of garbage isn’t turned into fuel. And there’s no legit reason to be sitting alone at a stoplight in a 5,000lb, 8 passenger, 4 wheel drive SUV without paying a 15,000% “waste tax” for the gas.
The real kicker is that new technologies, including efficient vehicles, will make huge fortunes. But it can’t happen until the energy lobby’s stranglehold on Washington is broken. The sad fact is it will probably take a whole new generation of politician to allow real progress in green and alternative tech.
June 9th, 2008 at 6:48 pmLater db. You know I won’t let them spout their crap if I’m around.
June 9th, 2008 at 6:50 pmpete Says:
And there’s no legit reason to be sitting alone at a stoplight in a 5,000lb, 8 passenger, 4 wheel drive SUV without paying a 15,000% “waste tax” for the gas.
I disagree about the waste tax. They’ll automatically get hit financially at the pump when driving a low MPG vehicle. However, renewing vehicle tabs/licenses should be based on weight, i.e., wear and tear on the roads.
June 9th, 2008 at 6:58 pmSince it’s the Republican economic policies that have already achieved the effect of surrendering our position in the world economy, this is an interesting circumlocution. It also defies even a grade school level of logic or the simplest critical thinking. Morons.
June 9th, 2008 at 7:37 pmPerhaps “waste tax” was an unfortunate expression? That being said, I think that the “special” registrations should carry a fuel class that affects the price at the pump. Obviously there are legit uses for large vehicles which must be considered, but, I don’t think a common price will truly force the conservation measures needed. On the other hand, someone will think twice about 12mpg if they also know it will mean paying more per gallon. I’m afraid that new policies will have to include some punitive measures.
Another option would be to designate certain, less efficient, vehicles as bio-fuel only so that the nasty hydrocarbon emissions are at least limited. there’s plenty of room for experiments and thinking outside the box. But some attitudes will need to be forced.
June 9th, 2008 at 8:03 pmPete, agreed.
June 9th, 2008 at 9:14 pmJinJin:
June 9th, 2008 at 10:41 pmI really will crush your skull in and I am a mellow dude. Lighten up with the so so tired crap. Come on man, do me a solid on this. In exchange I promise to ask someone to throw your cyber beggar ass some loss change. Deal?
Last words of the late, great Mother Earth:
“Is it just me, or is it getting awfully warm in here?”
June 9th, 2008 at 11:18 pm