Thank you. Well said.

One can drown in two table-spoons of water.

There’s a couple of interesting discussions of drowning in this month’s Harper’s.

Roberts and Scalito should be the first to go, inasmuch as they lied in their confirmation hearings.

You’d have to remove Scalia with a forceps…

Waterboarding is, by definition, suffocation and asphyxiation, and we should try and use these terms together as much as possible so the message begins to sink in.

play close attention, repukes.

June 10th, 2008 at 11:54 pm
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Though I agree that we should not in any way trivialize torture, the term “illusion of drowning” is technically correct. By definition, drown means “to die or kill by immersing in liquid.” Unless the subject dies, it’s not actually drowning.

Waterboarding is, by definition, suffocation and asphyxiation, and we should try and use these terms together as much as possible so the message begins to sink in.

HAGUE 2009!

As a former prosecutor, I have participated in murder, rape, grand theft and other trials which literally destroyed the life of the defendant. I have seen a few commit suicide after confessing their crimes and realizing the fate that awaited them. The convictions were obtained by confession in many of these cases despite the offender realizing the serious consequences of their confession. We never needed to resort to torture to obtain the information.

You can just as easily interrogate and receive information through traditional interrogation techniques with far more reliability than torture. Just ask those who interrogated the highest value Nazi prisoners of WWII. There is very little utility in torture.

Those who rail against the bleeding heart liberals who decry torture will always come back with the variant of the argument that we are being too soft, too considerate or providing too much comfort to the suspected terrorist. Therein lies the the proof of their crime against humanity (and torture is indeed a crime against humanity – we have prosecuted many from the Spanish American War through WWII and the Vietnam war for water boarding.) The real motive for their support of torture is revenge and the dehumanizing of their enemy. If you believe that simple, animal revenge against a helpless captive is justified, then you are just as bad as any terrorist that you can imagine. It is the difference between civilization and animal chaos.

Does the bank robber have to admit the commission of a crime or does the exploded dye pack and surveillance video provide proof OF that crime?

The Administration does not have to admit anything…

Let just one song bird sing their tunes of torture.

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Where do these people come from?

When’s the last time you killed an animal or wet your bed? Started a fire?

A$$hole.

It is amazing that even those not successfully indoctrinated into believing torture is not torture are using the words of the torturers.
Water-boarding is not a misperception of suffocation; it is suffocation. It is one of the cruelest forms of torture ever devised. It is also one of the oldest (referred to as standard French torture for centuries) and most common asphyxiation torture techniques.
Even Amy Goodman of “Democracy Now” has repeatedly referred to water-boarding as causing the “illusion of drowning”. It is drowning. It’s worse than accidental drowning because it is diabolically designed to repeat (once consciousness is regained). Everyone who is against torture and wants to convince others of its evil should stop using the trivializing language of the torturers.
Peace, JK

If we make a decision now, we can’t waterboard Bush et al. for a confession.

When will the human race learn to cherish life over all else? I guess when they learn that amassing wealth is pointless when so many go hungry.

Of course waterboarding (and/or whatever other “inhanced interrogation” techniques these criminals have used) is torture. There was never any question among reasonably prudent men.

Or among those that don’t profit from it.