97-year-old woman in Arizona falls victim to state’s stringent voter ID law.
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By on Jun 11th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
97-year-old woman in Arizona falls victim to state’s stringent voter ID law.
A 97-year-old Arizona woman who has voted in every election since 1933 says she won’t be able to vote in November, due to the state’s stringent voter ID law that requires proof of citizenship for those registering to vote and a photo ID when voting. Shirley Preiss was born in 1910 in Kentucky, before the state issued birth certificates. She has no driver’s license or passport. “Preiss said for someone who once lived in a time when women could not vote, the law is a step backwards.”
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we can’t let those p.o. grannies vote now, can we?
sarc
June 11th, 2008 at 12:12 pmJohn McCain: That’s Not Too Important. Hell Yeah.
June 11th, 2008 at 12:15 pm.
R E M E M B E R:
THEY(sic) HATE US FOR OUR FREEDOMS…
… And so THEY(sic) make laws that restrict our FREEDOM to vote.
.
June 11th, 2008 at 12:17 pmMcBush has got to draw the line somewhere. We’ve need to avoid a flood of Terrorist Grannies.
June 11th, 2008 at 12:18 pmand this is why america is a beacon of democracy? strip an old woman of her voting rights? and we wanted to bomb iraq into the stone age! rrrright!
June 11th, 2008 at 12:18 pmAhhh, Republicans: limiting democracy one granny at a time!
June 11th, 2008 at 12:18 pmLook, if a passel of elderly nuns who got turned away from the voting booth doesn’t move the wingnuts who think it’s more important to solve a non-existent problem, one single elderly lady in Arizona ain’t gonna change their minds.
June 11th, 2008 at 12:21 pmAfter the hundreds of thousands of grannies that Obama disenfranchised in Fl&Mi - the democrats have a really weak stance on this issue! Counting all of the votes, and letting every vote cast count - seems to be a ‘luxury’ Democrats can’t afford to support when it comes to primaries. Sorry, but this complaint rings hollow after so many Democrats sat by and said nothing when Obama did something far worse than preventing the vote of ONE candidate from taking effect. Yet, I’m sure all of the Obamaheads will just attack me, instead of admitting they helped disenfranchise voters…
June 11th, 2008 at 12:23 pmRalph, I wonder if the wingnuts might be moved if she was a Republican?
Probably not — they look at Arizona as a safe McCain state with or without her.
June 11th, 2008 at 12:24 pmDemocrats will write and pass laws outlawing this Republican voter supression tactic.
June 11th, 2008 at 12:25 pmArizona is John McSame’s state and he’s going to do exactly nothing and say exactly nothing - it’s her problem, not mine.
June 11th, 2008 at 12:26 pmGive it up, RHF. All you’re doing is making yourself look foolish.
June 11th, 2008 at 12:26 pmit’s also not important to McJerk that for insurance to deny covering prescription birth control. Cause you know how much we all want more unexpected pregnancies we can’t afford even though we may be in debt or trying to pay our kids high tuition costs. Because it’s our fault for having sex for our own pleasure and not for reproduction purposes cause we are so evil. Not to mention all the unwanted babies that are in foster homes, dumpsters, and such.
June 11th, 2008 at 12:26 pmChucky RHF, get lost.
June 11th, 2008 at 12:26 pmyou know, family values!
June 11th, 2008 at 12:26 pmSo this lady has never had a driver’s license?
June 11th, 2008 at 12:27 pmYet, I’m sure all of the Obamaheads will just attack me, instead of admitting they helped disenfranchise voters…
In the same way that HRC tried to disenfranchise voters by saying that those who voted in caucuses shouldn’t be counted in the popular vote.
GET OVER IT!
Focus on what’s important and that’s keeping McSame out of the White House!
June 11th, 2008 at 12:27 pmIf Chucky RHF won’t vote for the democratic nominee, why does the troll waste its time here?
June 11th, 2008 at 12:27 pmWalk me through this again republicans hate facts. Obama set the party rules? I was unware of that. Attack you? Of course not. We will just wait for you to start throwing the c-word about and such
June 11th, 2008 at 12:27 pmrepublicans hate facts Says:
Wait a tick! How many times do we need to keep beating on the fact that HRC agreed to the SAME DAMN rules. Here’s an idea: build a bridge and get over it. STOP repeating the same old story. Methinks you’re afflicted with a case of sour grapes.
June 11th, 2008 at 12:28 pmYo, Fact hater…
Fl&Mi decided to jump schedule.
Fl&Mi agreed to the consequences.
Consequences were served and you blame Obama?
But don’t blame the Fl&Mi State Parties?
O’Rely?
June 11th, 2008 at 12:29 pmsorry to repeat the post at # 18, didn’t read through the thread.
June 11th, 2008 at 12:29 pmMcCatatonic. Nanlichi, good one! I think he has been cloned, or better yet, I think he’s Cheney’s stepford’s wife!
June 11th, 2008 at 12:30 pmrepublicans hate facts Says:
Yet, I’m sure all of the Obamaheads will just attack me, instead of admitting they helped disenfranchise voters…
But those states knowingly broke the rules by moving their primaries up on the calendar. Those states KNOWINGLY broke the rules; so there must be consequences. To my recollection, Obama wasn’t even on the ballot in michigan. What are you getting at?
June 11th, 2008 at 12:30 pmrepublicans hate facts Says:
After the hundreds of thousands of grannies that Obama disenfranchised in Fl&Mi - the democrats have a really weak stance on this issue!
June 11th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
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Barack Obama forced the legislatures of Florida and Michigan to move up their primaries in violation of party rules? When did this happen?
June 11th, 2008 at 12:31 pmI hope someone can challenge this law on her behalf and have it voided. I know President Obama will restore our country as a democracy, one where our vote is our security.
June 11th, 2008 at 12:31 pmrepublican hate, get help. Whatever meds you are on are not doing the job.
June 11th, 2008 at 12:31 pm#19 McWars Says:
So that he can get flagged?
June 11th, 2008 at 12:32 pmthere’s someone in AZ older than mcbush?
June 11th, 2008 at 12:33 pmWayne Says:
republican hate, get help. Whatever meds you are on are not doing the job.
Yeah, why do you think they call it dope? An apt description for our troll, no?
June 11th, 2008 at 12:34 pmrepublicans hate facts Says:
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After the hundreds of thousands of grannies that Obama disenfranchised in Fl&Mi - the democrats have a really weak stance on this issue! Counting all of the votes, and letting every vote cast count - seems to be a ‘luxury’ Democrats can’t afford to support when it comes to primaries. Sorry, but this complaint rings hollow after so many Democrats sat by and said nothing when Obama did something far worse than preventing the vote of ONE candidate from taking effect. Yet, I’m sure all of the Obamaheads will just attack me, instead of admitting they helped disenfranchise voters…
June 11th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
I’d like to see some proof of your ridiculous allegations.
BTW, playing the victim card in advance is weak. You might want to consider a name change to “I’m a weenie who can’t deal with reality.”
June 11th, 2008 at 12:35 pmMy wife’s 87 year old mother moved in with us last November from Pittsburgh. She had a valid PA ID card, but couldn’t get a Virginia one with just that (remember, most of those hijackers had VA driver’s licenses?) and was told to just bring in her passport. She replied, “I’ve never been outside of this country and don’t ever want to go! Why do I need a passport?” They didn’t want to accept her DD214 from being a WWII Navy veteran (too old), nor her original birth certificate (didn’t have a notary seal on it), would accept USPS forwarded mail, and her Medicare card. The three acceptable IDs were not enough, until I got a bit hot under the collar and demanded to talk to the DMV office manager. She decided my mother in law didn’t look much like an illegal immigrant or terrorist and told the clerk to accept everything.
Moral of the story is: If you aren’t an immigrant, you’ll play hell getting anything if your wallet gets lost. Fork out the money, get a passport (gee, does this sound like a National ID?) and lock it up somewhere safe. Even if it’s expired, it’ll still work.
June 11th, 2008 at 12:35 pmcrapcannon Says:
So this lady has never had a driver’s license?
The Arizona law was changed to require a birth certificate, a license is not accepted.
Do you ever actually read the articles, racist name changing troll ( the banned johnboy )?
I do admit your new name does fit you well though.
June 11th, 2008 at 12:35 pmcrapcannon?
June 11th, 2008 at 12:36 pmI am from AZ and although there is a strong Repug base, I wouldn’t count Obama out. It’s been mentioned here before (ESL), but there is a very engaged and energized group of young adults who feel like they can make a difference.
I think Hillary can do some good here with the Hispanic vote too.
June 11th, 2008 at 12:36 pmI think RHF gets off at watching everyone repeat themselves.
June 11th, 2008 at 12:36 pmThis woman was so old she still remembered when , way back when , they bothered counting your votes !
June 11th, 2008 at 12:37 pmcrapcannon Says:
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So the Democrats are saying this lady could not produce any of these documents? Complete craziness!
June 11th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Read the post — Kentucky did not issue birth certificates in 1910.
June 11th, 2008 at 12:37 pm“…before the state issued birth certificates” !!!
Good googly moogly!!! 97 year old, hasn’t been officially born and apparently therefore doesn’t exist.
However, as she does exist in fact, I’d say she should do the following:
As she deosn’t exist, she can’t have paid for anything–utilities, taxes, anything at all. But as she must have been paid for work and paid taxes, she does exist–ergo her existence and status as a citizen is proven ( plus the voting record of course) ergo either she gets to vote or all the monies she’s ever paid to the government should be returned to her, with interest–which would then confirm her existence and status AGAIN, and then she can sue for civii rights infringement!
June 11th, 2008 at 12:38 pmWaltB,
Current issue passports are RFID chipped.
Tagging and releasing…
June 11th, 2008 at 12:38 pmcrapcannon Says:
So the Democrats are saying this lady could not produce any of these documents? Complete craziness!
No, she didn’t. Spend some time in rural America and you will quickly discover that for lots of people, things like the list you wrote are not too important. If they don’t drive, no license. If they don’t travel, no passport. If they are not a refugee, well you get the idea. She was born before birth certificates were issued. YOUR life of documents should not be used to compare to what another loyal American must have. YOU were brought up under authoritarian times where you were marked by our government. She was brough up during a time when your government was not interested in tracking her every move. Let the woman vote!
June 11th, 2008 at 12:39 pmI think crapcannon (aptly named, dontcha think?) was johnboy before he got banned.
You gotta wonder about a troll who brags about shooting sh!t all over the place.
June 11th, 2008 at 12:39 pmAnother day and another whining rant from RHF.
June 11th, 2008 at 12:40 pmI think Chucky RHF senses the likelihood of Clinton being placed on the ticket to be increasingly bleek, so the whining continues. An Obama/Clinton ticket, with the way these polls numbers are looking for Obama, is unnecessary.
June 11th, 2008 at 12:42 pmI find it amusing that Johnny Boy hasn’t stepped forward on this; she is from AZ AND she is 97 YO, which should make her a major member of his base.
You need all the help you can get, Johnny!
June 11th, 2008 at 12:42 pmI see the nut bars are out in force today.
What is wrong with this line of reasoning?
1. This was a party primary and not an election. We see voting, we see caucuses and combination methods depending upon the rules that the party establishes.
2. The party established a scheduling system in order to spread the primaries. Michigan and Florida violated those rules and knew that the consequences could include lessening the delegates or even excluding the state’s delegation.
3. The candidates all agreed that the state delegation would not be seated at all. All but one candidate removed their names from the ballot.
4. Florida and Michigan always had the right to do the primary over prior to the convention in accordance with the party rules. However, neither state made any move to do so until such time as the race became close. By then, the state parties, candidates and the national party could not resolve the issue.
So get off of it idiot. You mouth the usual simplistic pap that one comes to expect from the loyal toadies of the Republican party. You can make the same comment about the Republican party since they use a winner take all system in their primaries while the Dems spread the votes. I guess you can attack the United States since we award electoral college votes based on a winner take all system. By God, should not Al Gore have taken care of that while he was president having received the majority of votes. Come a**h*le let us hear you decry the election of that war criminal George Bush and demand that he be hung as a traitor since obviously he was fine with making sure that the vote of a majority of voters did not count in 2000. Now go, crawl under the usual rock that we expect you.
June 11th, 2008 at 12:42 pmAnother day and another whining rant from RHF.
And they are going to get the hat handed to them come November. It is going to be a rout, an absolute clock cleaning. Should be fun.
June 11th, 2008 at 12:42 pmI am flagging every RHF whining rant from now on. RHF is no longer part of the answer, RHF is part of the problem and has clearly resorted to spamming and trolling TP. I hope many fellow TP regs will help eliminate this troll.
June 11th, 2008 at 12:43 pmI love it when Dr. Matt dresses down the trollshit.
June 11th, 2008 at 12:44 pmWayne, sorry for repeating your points.
June 11th, 2008 at 12:44 pmrepublicans hate facts aka. btruthful also Valiant Venus attacker and C*NT mouth.
Open wide, rhc.
_AIO_
June 11th, 2008 at 12:45 pm#30 crapcannon Says:
Why the necessity to catipult the BS, crapcannon?
June 11th, 2008 at 12:45 pmcrapcannon Says:
So the Democrats are saying this lady could not produce any of these documents? Complete craziness!
Really? It seems pretty sane to me.
U.S. State, Local Government – issued Certificate of Birth;
Nope. Read the article - she didn’t have a birth certificate because they didn’t have birth certificates in 1910.
U.S. Passport;
Nope. She didn’t have a U.S. passport.
Valid Foreign Passport with Appropriate Immigration Document(s);
Nope. She didn’t have a foreign passport either.
Certificate of Citizenship (Form N560);
Nope. Kentucky is in the United States. Therefore, she would not be entitled to a certificate of citizenship.
Certificate of Naturalization (Form N550);
Nope. Kentucky is in the United States. Therefore, she would not need to be nationalized.
Valid DHS/USCIS I-551 Resident Alien Card issued since 1997;
Nope. Arizona is in the United States. Therefore, she would not need a Resident Alien Card.
Valid DHS/USCIS I-688 Temporary Resident Identification Card;
Nope. Arizona is in the United States. Therefore, she would not need a Temporary Resident Identification Card.
Valid DHS/USCIS I-688B, I-766 Employment Authorization Card;
Nope. Arizona is in the United States. Therefore, she would not need a Employment Authorization Card.
Valid DHS/USCIS I-571 Refugee Travel Document;
Nope. Arizona is in the United States and not considered a zone of conflict. Therefore, she would not need nor be entitled to a Refugee Travel Document.
DHS/USCIS I-797 Notice of Action;
Nope. Arizona is in the United States. Therefore, she would not need a USCIS Notice of Action.
DHS/TSA Transportation Worker Identification Credential (TWIC);
Nope. Arizona is a landlocked state. Therefore, it is unlikely that the 97-year old was a port employee or dockworker in need of a TWIC.
U.S. Department of Receptions and Placement Program Assurance Form (Refugee).
Nope. Arizona is in the United States and not considered a zone of conflict. Therefore, she would not need nor be entitled to a Program Assurance Form for refugees.
Sorry if any of this is difficult for you to understand.
June 11th, 2008 at 12:45 pmA sorry time for democracy when voter disenfranchisement and hackable electronic voting machines tally our votes for the electoral college .
June 11th, 2008 at 12:46 pmVoter disenfranchisement is now a legitimate campaign strategy for the far right.
Dr. Hussein Matt,
June 11th, 2008 at 12:46 pmAll fact haters should get flagged.
crapcannon - the most honest screen name EVER. It takes a big, powerful a** to fling that much fec*s.
George Bush couldn’t give decent documentation that he completed his required military service and he got to be president. Yet, this poor woman can’t even vote who she wants to be president. Why stop there? Send her to Gitmo. Rendition her. She’s probably just an anti-American, unpatriotic, bleeding heart, terrorist sympathizing islamofascistcommiestalinistfeminazi anyway. /snark off, if it’s not obvious.
June 11th, 2008 at 12:48 pmMatt, TP has done nothing about RHF. He mucks up the threads with CAPS, filling them with unreadable posts, and, most disgusting, he flings vile words at esteemed posters like Zoeey and Miss Molly.
June 11th, 2008 at 12:48 pmImpressive retort. Nice job.
June 11th, 2008 at 12:48 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
Wayne, sorry for repeating your points.
Great minds think alike =)
June 11th, 2008 at 12:50 pmSorry if any of this is difficult for you to understand.
It is and it will stay that way. Remember: Republicans Hate Facts (and America).
June 11th, 2008 at 12:50 pmI think many posters, myself included, were hesitant to flag RHF at first. I assumed she would eventually come around and join the team. That hasn’t happened, so I will treat her no differently than the rogers, prtyboys/southernidiots, exlaxs, and the rest of the reich-wing trolls. I will *flag* RHF on sight and hopefully others will join in. This has gone on long enough and is not helping the Democratic or Progressive cause.
June 11th, 2008 at 12:52 pmJMOHR don’t forget that Florida’s Republiscum controlled legislature is just like the Republiscums in Congress, they act to block Democrats and create problems against the interests of the American people in an effort to protect their own self interests which favors corporations over people.
June 11th, 2008 at 12:54 pmcrapcannon Says:
So the Democrats are saying this lady could not produce any of these documents? Complete craziness!
Most of what you listed wouldn’t have even applied to this woman. From reading the story it didn’t seem as if she was a naturalized alien or a refugee - maybe you you caught something I didn’t - but most of the forms of ID you listed wouldn’t have been applicable to this woman. Also, many people (especially women) of this woman’s vintage didn’t get driver’s licenses.
And any way, what exactly is your point?
June 11th, 2008 at 12:54 pm#54
hussein toasterhead Says:
Exactly! Nice work.
June 11th, 2008 at 12:58 pmAnd any way, what exactly is your point?
He’s trying to show us just how uninformed he is. Mission Accomplished!
June 11th, 2008 at 12:59 pmTweedster Says: (to crapcannon)
And any way, what exactly is your point?
I’ll venture to say that crapcannon’s point is the top of it’s head.
June 11th, 2008 at 12:59 pmMax, where are the passports RFID’d? I was just looking at mine and don’t see anything but a barcode.
June 11th, 2008 at 1:00 pmArizona began statewide recording of births and deaths in July, 1909 according to Office of Vital Records.
June 11th, 2008 at 1:01 pmJoanne,
June 11th, 2008 at 1:04 pmDepends on how old yours is. I lost mine last year and my new one has one in it. It was issued in May 2007.
Apparently reading comprehension is not your strong suit. We can help you, just ask.
June 11th, 2008 at 1:04 pmcrapcannon Says:
Arizona began statewide recording of births and deaths in July, 1909 according to Office of Vital Records.
The woman was born in Kentucky - not Arizona.
June 11th, 2008 at 1:05 pmRepublicans had a good idea at the time to stop senior voters and poor people from voting because they thought they would vote for the Democrats. Now we see Nuns and elder people can’t vote. This plan will backfire too. Like a single snow ball that keeps getting bigger and bigger. This unfair Law might bring many to grow angry and vote Democrat because they feel bad for those who have been denied. This is just another Republican plan to fix the election, but without the brain in the White House it’s falling apart. Republicans can’t use Religion again as we saw the results of that plan.
Just think about it a Lady who voted for FDR can’t vote in 2008. Must of us only know about FDR from reading books or seeing movies. We’ll hear move stories in the days ahead of how the United States has changed and lost the Rights so many gave there lives for.
June 11th, 2008 at 1:05 pmcrapcannon?
read the post. she was born in kentucky.
June 11th, 2008 at 1:05 pmJayzus Crapshooter, read the f’ing post. She was born in Kentuckey!
June 11th, 2008 at 1:05 pmcrapcannon?
June 11th, 2008 at 1:05 pmMs J.
http://www.google.com/ search?hl=en&q=US+passports+RFID
And don’t forget to read how they CAN get hacked…
June 11th, 2008 at 1:08 pmYa think Crapshooter got the message?
June 11th, 2008 at 1:09 pmcrapcannon Says:
Arizona began statewide recording of births and deaths in July, 1909 according to Office of Vital Records.
From the top of the thread:
Shirley Preiss was born in 1910 in Kentucky, before the state issued birth certificates.
Do you feel stupid yet?
June 11th, 2008 at 1:09 pmYou sure look it.
republicans hate facts Says:
I’m betting you had two scoops of teh stupid this morning didn’t you?
June 11th, 2008 at 1:09 pmFor #54 Thank you sir.
June 11th, 2008 at 1:10 pmIt boggles the mind that people will post thinking they are making a valid point before actually thinking it thru. And he/she can’t say that it as a quick post, since it takes some thinking to come up with a list like that.
ot but have you noticed the trolls around here are coming up with some revealing names these days -
crapcannon and backup?
*
June 11th, 2008 at 1:15 pmso I guess we still got gun-slinging trolls comin’ round the bend…
June 11th, 2008 at 1:19 pmRepublicans actively oppose the concept of every citizen getting a vote. Sad, but true.
June 11th, 2008 at 1:20 pmSpoxLogic Says:
For #54 Thank you sir.
It boggles the mind that people will post thinking they are making a valid point before actually thinking it thru. And he/she can’t say that it as a quick post, since it takes some thinking to come up with a list like that.
June 11th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
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We’re just not getting anywhere near the quality of troll we used to get. These morons aren’t even trying anymore.
June 11th, 2008 at 1:20 pmHey crapcannon, she was born in Kentucky dipshit! Can’t you read? Oh, nevermind…
June 11th, 2008 at 1:20 pmyou know, like crapcannon or what was is gun-licker the other day?
June 11th, 2008 at 1:21 pmall these gun names lacking in creativity
June 11th, 2008 at 1:22 pmThanks, Max. Mine is older than that which is why I don’t see it.
Maybe I won’t be traveling anymore when this one expires. :)
June 11th, 2008 at 1:23 pmQUESTION:
What’s the definition of a “PROPAGANDA PROJECTOR”?
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.
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A Crapcannon.
.
June 11th, 2008 at 1:23 pmWonderful job a #54 :-)
June 11th, 2008 at 1:23 pmI got some Crap for your cannon, ace!
June 11th, 2008 at 1:23 pmJust a drive by here, but if you read the 2nd link in the post up top, the last paragraph details the results so far for Arizona voters:
Experts said it’s hard to say how many other people are in the same situation as Preiss. But the Arizona Advocacy Network said almost 40,000 voter registration forms have been rejected since the state’s voter ID law went into effect.
http://www.kpho.com/news/16554725/detail.html
June 11th, 2008 at 1:29 pmThose cagy Republicans can’t have any Grandmothers for Peace voting.
June 11th, 2008 at 1:34 pmAnd Yet…,
None of those scared about voter fraud can not prove it even exists… just that it MIGHT. However so, it can be demonstrably shown that tabulation fraud does happen and does exist. And yet, none care about that.
“Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything.”
—Communist Tyrant Josef Stalin
June 11th, 2008 at 1:34 pmAwwww man, it appears I missed the republicans hate btruthful’s venus party.
What was it?
Blah Blah Blah Obamaheads Blah Blah Blah disenfranchised voters Blah Blah Blah Stupid c*nt Blah Blah Blah I wont be voting Blah Blah Blah ROTFL! ROTFL! ROTFL!
Back on topic.
June 11th, 2008 at 1:39 pmHas anyone, ANYONE, ever known someone denied voting at their local precent because a devious person stole “their identity”?
I mean, you are grouped into demographics according to your zipcode and school district. Then, you “identify” yourself by stating your name and address, sign a card, and then your are crossed off a list, which prevents anyone else using your name.
I mean, come on. With all this voter fraud, this has got to be widespread, right? Illegal aliens stealing massive amount of identities to vote.
(of course, the above paragraph is a snark, because it HAS NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE!)
Max-1 @ 94,
I hear you. Those who greenlighted computer voting ala Diebold in the 1st place must have had Uncle Joe’s words in mind…
June 11th, 2008 at 1:40 pmYou’re very quick to blame Republicans for one woman’s inability to vote but at the same time you cut down by half the vote of two entire states (FL and MI).
June 11th, 2008 at 1:41 pmWhy does a Hun care about those who violate Democratic party rules? Go play with your pyramid of skulls, dufus.
June 11th, 2008 at 1:51 pmQuick!! We have a backup of trollit #97! We need a crapcannon ASAP!! Somebody must have used TP too much.
June 11th, 2008 at 1:56 pmIt is quintessential that any action taken by the government to limit the access of an essential civil liberty of its citizens must be done for a valid and good reason. The Supreme Court has become ruled by conservative puppets who have used the power of their decisions to extend a one party system in the United States. Preventing voter fraud is a legitimate concern and goal for any voting system. However, there must be a reckoning as to the threat to the system and the collateral damage to the voting rights of innocent citizens. The Supreme Court exaggerated the threat and down played the impact on legitimate voters.
1. There has been no evidence of voter fraud at polling places in the United States for many decades. The Republican led and highly politicized DoJ pulled out all stops in order to go after and disclose voter fraud. No cases of actual voter fraud were discovered. Indeed, DoJ only found a handful of cases that presented an issue of voter registration fraud (albeit in extremely technical sense) and in only one case where the person actually voted. (A person who had been convicted of a felony who turned himself in when he realized he should not have voted.)
2. All legitimate voting experts have agreed that voter fraud at the polling place has not been a significant problem in the United States.
3. The Republican party has discussed and developed a strategy to tighten voting requirements because it will impact those groups that the Republicans believe will be more inclined to vote Democratic. Indeed, the Republican party is the only party that has had to sign an agreement with the Justice Department because of its illegal voter suppression tactics. Voter caging, jamming phone lines and other illegal tactics have involved the Republican party. Their intent is clear. However, I have to correct myself. There is one clear case of intentional voter fraud in the United States that has been fully documented. That is the case of a certain female right wing radio host, Ann Coulter. Somehow that case was not prosecuted.
4. The laws place a disproportionate burden on minorities, the aged and poor. Many people do not have birth certificates. There can be significant problems in obtaining one, especially when you are outside the state in which you were born. Not everyone has a passport or drivers license. Even states providing a state ID require a birth certificate or passport before providing the card. Think about the cost of a birth certificate or passport. It is an indirect poll tax. These laws do not need to be rushed into execution. They can be phased in to permit people to gather the documents and to assess the actual impact.
These are Republicans rushing the laws onto the books in a presidential election year. They need to be stopped.
June 11th, 2008 at 2:11 pmJMOHR Says:
1. There has been no evidence of voter fraud at polling places in the United States for many decades.
Well, there was the Ann Coulter case here in Florida
http://www.bradblog.com/?cat=4
June 11th, 2008 at 2:21 pmvoter fraud: See Trannie Coulter
’nuff said. LOL!
June 11th, 2008 at 2:27 pmJinJin is a pussy
June 11th, 2008 at 2:36 pmGet an injunction in late October and keep AZ out of the election.
June 11th, 2008 at 2:40 pmBUT THE WOMAN WAS BORN IN KENTUCKYD*PSH*T!
TP, can we get some trolls who are able to read.
June 11th, 2008 at 2:42 pmHe’s got plenty of his own, when you have sh*t for brains you keep making more.
June 11th, 2008 at 2:45 pmWhere was all the indignation against the parties of MI and FL when they made these changes that could have cost them 100% of Democratic votes if the rules had been adhered to. Not until Hillary lost was this even an issue. Why don’t you go call RHF.
June 11th, 2008 at 2:48 pmAnn Coulter has bigger problems than voter fraud, I understand that she has been masquerading as a member of the homo sapiens species.
That’s clearly fraudulent.
June 11th, 2008 at 3:07 pmDemocrats should use this story to convince senior citizens that the Republican Party does not have their best interests in mind. That, plus Bush’s failed social security privatization schemes and the medicare drug program which benefited drug companies first should give Democrats a lot to gain back senior citizens who may disagree with social issues like abortion or gay rights but should now see the GOP as an enemy of seniors.
But the Democrats often fail to use opportunities like this one on a grand scale. Think Kerry 2004.
June 11th, 2008 at 3:07 pmNow, now, you have to read the whole post. Para 3 of my post said:
But really, thanks for adding the bradblog link. Great site that I actually read on a daily basis.
June 11th, 2008 at 3:12 pmSorry, Shayne. All the decent trolls had to get jobs in convenience stores because the RNC couldn’t afford to pay them anymore.
This is pretty much what’s left in the bunker.
June 11th, 2008 at 3:29 pmOnce again, one must admit, when RightOfAttila Says: “You’re very quick to blame Republicans for one woman’s inability to vote but at the same time you cut down by half the vote of two entire states (FL and MI),” he might be right. Clearly, if the 97-year-old woman had, for example, violated the orders and broken the conventions of her party, conducting an extensive state-wide election outside their rules, we would nave no reason to bemoan the loss of her vote.
She’ll probly be dead before November, anyway, right, ROA?
June 11th, 2008 at 3:47 pmJinJin sed: John Thomas
Is your ISP spying on you?
June 11th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
if they were any good at it, you’d never know…
June 11th, 2008 at 3:51 pmEnough already about supposedly disenfranchised MI and FL voters. Yes, the state officials were stupid, and so were the national officials. HOWEVER, it’s up to the party how they select a nominee. The national party has decided staes shoudl have delegates, and the states determine how to award those delegates. If the state wants to have an election, cool. If they want a caucus, fine. If they wish to decide it by rock-papers-sissors, well, that’s up to them.
Sorry, but individuals have no specific right to vote in a PARTY’S PRIMARY.
And FWIW, I’m a MI voter.
June 11th, 2008 at 4:53 pm