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Bush administration gag order preventing discussion of $23 billion lost in Iraq.

A BBC investigation estimates that $23 billion “may have been lost, stolen or just not properly accounted for” in Iraq. But, reports the BBC, “a US gagging order is preventing discussion of the allegations.”



86 Responses to “Bush administration gag order preventing discussion of $23 billion lost in Iraq.”

  1. octamethyl says:

    Follow the money. It will lead you to the cave tht W and BinLaden hang out in together.


  2. drago says:

    Heckuva job, Dubya!

    Worst.
    President.
    EVER.


  3. StratRat says:

    It’s OUR MONEY!!!!!! Why can’t WE know what happened to it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  4. Zooey says:

    President Obama will lift that gag order, and we’ll begin to find out that Bush/Cheney were so much worse than we thought.


  5. IgnoranceIsNotBliss says:

    Apparently not StratRat. Guess they might have to kill us if they told us.


  6. raynman says:

    This is how democracy ends
    This is how democracy ends
    This is how democracy ends
    Not with a bang
    but with a gag order


  7. Buckie Boy says:

    Now, just think about it….Paraguay ranch….23 billion in Swiss bank account… January 8 plane flight…

    You can bet that Bush, Cheney, and their buddies have pocketed that money.

    WORST, MOST CRIMINAL, STOLEN PRESIDENCY IN HISTORY


  8. robbez_92107 says:

    Why would we be interested in $26B that found its way (through war profiteering) into the pockets of the friends and family of our executive branch? We only paid it into the government through taxes – it’s not like it’s really ours.

    This money could NOT be used to improve the economy or bring down the price of oil – you need a magic wand for those things.


  9. StratRat says:

    Now, just think about it….Paraguay ranch….23 billion in Swiss bank account… January 8 plane flight…

    You can bet that Bush, Cheney, and their buddies have pocketed that money.

    WORST, MOST CRIMINAL, STOLEN PRESIDENCY IN HISTORY

    Yep…I believe it. Connect the dots and that is where you end up. God, do I wish we could get our country back.


  10. robbez_92107 says:

    Oooops – $23B. What’s $3B in unamrked bills amongst friends in Iraq anyway?


  11. upside99 says:

    Buckie Boy Says:

    Now, just think about it….Paraguay ranch….23 billion in Swiss bank account… January 8 plane flight…

    You can bet that Bush, Cheney, and their buddies have pocketed that money.

    WORST, MOST CRIMINAL, STOLEN PRESIDENCY IN HISTORY

    Maybe the last two renditions done by the US will be to Paraguay and Dubai. If so, I will have to say THANK YOU PRESIDENT OBAMA!!!


  12. Uncle Ho says:

    If they have nothing to hide, then they should welcome any inquiries. Since they have imposed a gag order and are stonewalling, one can not help but conclude they are trying to hide a whole rat’s nest of illegal shit.


  13. upside99 says:

    And does anyone else find it sad that we seem to always get the real news about the US, not from our media, but from BBC? Remember the Downing Street memo?


  14. stateofthedivision says:

    Bush could care less about the taxpayer’s money, as long as it’s going to his buds. This kind of behavior exists on the blue side of the political aisle.

    http://peureport.blogspot.com/2008/06/obamas-vp-vetter-peu.html

    The red and blue franchises compete for the right to send yachtloads of business to their friends. It’s time for the people to be very aware.


  15. Keith H. says:

    Now, let me get this straight, it’s somehow okay for known criminals to obstruct justice with EOs & gag orders ?!?
    There’s something very wrong with this picture.


  16. ninique says:

    ninique Says:

    http://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=Fp8IG8NKDK0&feature=related

    juuuicy!


  17. StratRat says:

    Keith H. Says:

    Now, let me get this straight, it’s somehow okay for known criminals to obstruct justice with EOs & gag orders ?!?
    There’s something very wrong with this picture.

    Welcome to Bush’s Amerikkka. Land of the greed, home of the depraved.


  18. Kay says:

    remember Rumsfeld reported the Pentagon could not account
    for 2.3 trillion on Sept.10,2001 the day before this Government attacked it’s own people.


  19. Shayne says:

    Well thank goodness Bush saved all that money not giving us national healthcare so he could give it to a band of thieves. Whew, close call.


  20. McWars says:

    YEAH! We don’t need no stinkin’ dictators!


  21. Chocolate Jesus says:

    hmmm wondering what kind of united states gag order is legally binding to a UK company? we all know the Us doesnt beleive in international law so why is anyone outside a Us border afraid of speaking up?

    spill it BBC. theres massive fraud in them thar hills, its our money, and SOMEBODY needs to talk about it..

    just like the telecom spying, looks like we’ll need lawyers to get to the bottom of this.. got Qui Tam?


  22. StratRat says:

    Shayne Says:

    Well thank goodness Bush saved all that money not giving us national healthcare so he could give it to a band of thieves. Whew, close call.

    It’s not funny, but it really was. Good job.


  23. Kay says:

    Welcome to the Fascist States of America.


  24. Badmoodman says:

  25. DRxJ says:

    Congrats, Bush supporters.
    Here is another of your legacy.

    No accountability
    No accountability
    No accountabliity

    Rinse

    Repeat


  26. Art says:

    $23 billion here…
    $23 billion there.
    .
    Pretty soon it starts to add up to some real money!


  27. StratRat says:

    DRxJ Says:

    Congrats, Bush supporters.
    Here is another of your legacy.

    No accountability
    No accountability
    No accountabliity

    Rinse

    Repeat

    Yep. It still amazes me that some citizens cannot see the things we see. If we have access to the same information, why are we fuming about it and they don’t seem to care? It’s their money too. Are they afraid of retaliation from the GOP or their neighbors? I don’t get their supprt of this obvious criminal enterprise.


  28. ninique says:

    ohhh, gee, I wonder why he feels the need to use a gag order, hmmm.. I wonder. what a f@#king evil bast*rd.


  29. StratRat says:

    So $23b=about %3 lost.%3.

    Ask a taxpayer if they think that way; I doubt they would minimize the impact of embezzeling $3,000,000,000. I appreciate it is a small percentage, but that just underscores the vast cost of the illegal invasion and occupation. ITS OUR MONEY!!!!!!!WHERE IS IT????????


  30. upside99 says:

    StratRat Says:

    Yep. It still amazes me that some citizens cannot see the things we see. If we have access to the same information, why are we fuming about it and they don’t seem to care? It’s their money too. Are they afraid of retaliation from the GOP or their neighbors? I don’t get their supprt of this obvious criminal enterprise.

    If you look closely at this, the Righties have been able to control the content of the media to make sure their base only gets the message they want them to hear. If Limpballs, Coultergeist, Nazis Beck and Savage weiner and Faux were gone, the 23%ers would be about 7%ers.

    But there is too much money to be made for that to ever happen.


  31. upside99 says:

    rogerse Says:

    http://www.reuters.com/ article/ topNews/ idUSN2921527420080302?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&sp=true

    The nearly 5-year-old war, once billed as virtually paying for itself through increased Iraqi oil exports, has cost the U.S. Treasury $845 billion directly.

    So $23b=about %3 lost.%3.

    Rogers,

    Thanx for reminding us all of the cost of the war but you left out the 4,000 dead and over 25,000 wounded, plus the ongoing costs over the next 50 years to care for all the veterans.

    That was a very good post!


  32. sacopenapa says:

    This is ridiculous! How can the War Criminal, the imbecil in chief, the TORTURER, have the power to gag investigation and inquire into his own crimes??????!!!!! The USA used to be a serious country…


  33. Paul W says:

    Bush won’t sign the GI Bill which would cost about 2.5 billion per year but almost ten times that amount has been lost in Iraq. And that doesn’t even touch on the countless billions that have been wasted. Proving yet again that enriching their cronies at Haliburton is far more important than rewarding the poor souls who fight their wars for them.

    http://progressiveworldreview.com


  34. McWars says:

    Rogers is A-OK with throwing away even 3% of taxpayer dollars. I thought republicans ran on having a deep concern for the taxpayer.

    The repubs take up what looks better before their own eyes –either percentages or raw numbers — and uses that against their opponents.

    Want the truth? $845 billion, or 100%, has been wasted.


  35. sacopenapa says:

    32-
    I agree! Great post! But it was also left out the number of dead iraqui civilians and the displaced population of Iraq. Not to mention the destrucion of that country and the dstruction of the US’s ecenomy!


  36. Wayne says:

    So, which Democratic rep or senator is going to have the spine to publicly cry foul?

    Impeach Pelosi, Cheney, Bush.


  37. spencers mom says:

    upside99 Says:

    And does anyone else find it sad that we seem to always get the real news about the US, not from our media, but from BBC? Remember the Downing Street memo?

    Not to mention this little gem about McCain and his first wife:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html

    PEACE


  38. Kay says:

    The 2.3 trillion found “missing” on Sept.10,2001
    (reported by Rummy) — I believe this was the payoff for 9/11.


  39. upside99 says:

    sacopenapa Says:

    And not to mention the complete loss of respect for the US by the rest of the world.


  40. Kay says:

    …and on 9/11 everyone forgot about the 2.3 trillion reported missing from the Pentagon by Rummy… (they were counting on that)


  41. pete says:

    Is it not possible that Rep. Inhofe had mail room duty when the 23 billion was shipped? Maybe it’s safe, sound, and unclaimed in “Iraq, Africa”?

    sarc/off


  42. sacopenapa says:

    wayne 37
    We had so much hope when Pelosi came in… she stabed everybody’s hope in the back!


  43. Wayne says:

    rogerse Says:

    Total amount is another issue, but there’s hardly an issue of lost spending at %3 for warfare.

    23 BILLION DOLLARS is “hardly an issue”?

    rogers, you are an idiot if you think anyone falls for that BS.


  44. Kay says:

    I sent a letter to Pelosi today expressing my sadness at her not backing Kucinich’s Impeachment Bill.

    Now it’s time to send her packing.
    Welcome Cindy Sheehan.


  45. Kay says:

    At $4 a gallon, this Most Corrupt Administration in the history of this Great Country has…

    surely taken us all for a ride…


  46. Kay says:

    At $4+ a gallon, this Most Corrupt Administration in the history of this Great Country has…

    surely has taken us all for a ride…


  47. mwjeepster says:

    WHEN is someone going to look at Bush and Cheney’s bank accounts? Especially the ones over in the Caymans? No? Maybe the ones in Switzerland? Just a guess…


  48. backup says:

    23 billion is a lot of money. But, if you believe in fighting al Qaeda, maybe it’s worth it.

    Here’s a CNN piece that describes the fight with al Qaeda in Iraq:

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/06/11/al.qaeda.iraq/index.html?iref=topnews


  49. pete says:

    You haven’t been following the multiple stories of “lost” money and equipment, have you rogerse.

    Where did the, admitted, 190,000 weapons go? Who got paid? How many of those weapons have been turned against us and the government of Iraq?

    Where did the pallets of cash, $6 billion dollars and many tons, go? How on Earth can one “lose” several tons of currency? how much of that currency is now funding hostile factions?

    What percentage of the mayhem in Iraq is facilitated by weapons supplied by the U.S? How many foreign weapons have been purchased with funds “lost” by the U.S?

    There is inevitable waste in war, but, the real issue in this story is that the “missing” money/equipment is, most likely, being used to fund the other side. And I think most impartial observers would agree that funding one’s enemies, intentionally or through incompetence, is a recipe for certain defeat.


  50. upside99 says:

    Rogerse, you must be Roger2 from the sound of your dysfunctional posts.


  51. StratRat says:

    backup Says:

    23 billion is a lot of money. But, if you believe in fighting al Qaeda, maybe it’s worth it.

    I’m presuming you mean the Al Quaida which wasn’t in Iraq until we invaded? Is that who you are referring to? Kind ass backwards, if you ask me.


  52. Wayne says:

    backup Says:
    23 billion is a lot of money. But, if you believe in fighting al Qaeda, maybe it’s worth it.

    Here’s a CNN piece that describes the fight with al Qaeda in Iraq

    The real Al Qaeda is still in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, not Iraq.

    That propaganda is old and worn. Like the “Iranian” weapons captured, that were not.


  53. RUCerious says:

    According to Mr. Rogerse, if we were to just spend a few hundred billion more, then the 23 billion would only be 2%, which would of course, be much better.

    Why do you hate your kids, who are going to have to pay this debt off eventually.


  54. hellinabucket says:

    This from the same people who wanted to bring ethics back into the white house. Kucinich has the right idea. Impeachment is needed.


  55. pete says:

    You too update? Surely you can appreciate the near certainty that anything “lost” in Iraq will be turned against us?

    Nope. Giving aid and comfort to the enemy, even by “mistake”, is a serious offense. It’s bad enough Bushco invaded a country “by mistake”. To then supply our “enemies” is unforgivable treason. And I don’t consider treason a trivial matter.


  56. backup says:

    That propaganda is old and worn.

    If it’s propaganda, better tell CNN.

    And I concede that al Qaeda wasn’t in Iraq before we invaded, but they are there now.

    Do you leave them there to declare victory, or do you fight them there, regardless of why they’re there in the first place?


  57. pete says:

    And just in case anyone can’t connect these particular dots:

    Some of the “missing” stuff has most certainly found it’s way directly into al Qaeda’s hands. If fighting them is your mission, it just makes irresponsible “losses” more serious.


  58. Wayne says:

    backup Says:
    Do you leave them there to declare victory, or do you fight them there, regardless of why they’re there in the first place?

    After we leave, any Al Qaeda that don’t leave will probably be executed.
    If you understood anything at all about the culture there, you would realize that as well.


  59. belac says:

    And I concede that al Qaeda wasn’t in Iraq before we invaded, but they are there now.

    I heard a report on NPR that described the situation this way…
    “If you had a leaky faucet and the plumber you hired to fix it screwed up and you came home to a flooded house, would you then say ‘Oh well, wish I hadn’t hired this plumber, he only made the problem worse- but there’s a BIG problem now and I really need a plumber now and he’s here so let’s just let him keep working.’
    No- that would be idiotic. You’d say- ‘Thanks for stopping by but you’ve made this problem worse with your incompetence and I want you to pay for it to be fixed by a competent plumber..’

    Iraq needs a new plumber… we’ve lost all credibility and wishing it better just gets more people killed on all sides.


  60. pete says:

    Sorry rogerse. The subject isn’t the Saudi role in international terrorism, though it’s a fascinating subject, the topic at hand is the irresponsible loss of an admitted $23 billion dollars.

    I have pointed out, to those who have defended this incompetence, that it is a grave matter because the “lost” wealth is probably being used directly against us. I make no claims or assumptions about the relative contributions of other countries. I merely seek to disabuse people of the belief that “losing” anything in Iraq is trivial because it will be put to diabolical uses.


  61. hellinabucket says:

    victory. I’ll declare victory when true democracy is the law of the land here again.

    This administration is so completely immoral and it’s being exposed for the frauds they are.

    The public has a right to know this information. I have a right to know how the money (my money) was spent. This administration can no longer hide behind the boogey man of fear. It’s an ironic twist of fate that the one’s being oppressed are the British at the hand of the vengeful Lady Liberty.

    23 billion doesn’t just get lost. I have a right to know and the question needs to be answered by our representatives.

    I’m sure you’ll agree rogers(e,r, or whatever tangent you’ve been using)


  62. upside99 says:

    rogerse Says:

    Saudi Arabia remains the world’s leading source of money for Al Qaeda and other extremist networks and has failed to take key steps requested by U.S. officials to stem the flow.

    And who are the Saudi’s butt-buddies? Can you say the Bush Crime Family? Any idea how the Bin Laden family was flown out of the US after 9/11 when NO other aircraft were in the air?

    Where did almost all the 9/11 hijackers came from?

    So tell me again why we are in Iraq and not in Saudi (and Afghanistan in a major way)? And if you don’t say BushCo, ego, money and oil, ……….BRRRRRRRR – You Lose!


  63. DRxJ says:

    This is quite amusing.
    23 billions of OUR money is lost,
    Bush & CO. put a “gag” order such that WE cannot find out what happened,
    and there are some who still defend this administration. (Well, it’s only 3%)

    Ironic, these are the same nitwits who nearly blew a gasket (pun intended) during a former presidents consentual oral gratification with an adult. A private matter that should have had a gag order (again, pun intended). But noooooooooo! Money lost, countless dead and maimed, ever increasing debt to China? Sure, let it pass. An affair with an intern? Impeach! Impeach! Impeach!

    Am I the only one who thinks this is just fcked up? That our priorities are also?


  64. backup says:

    After we leave, any Al Qaeda that don’t leave will probably be executed.
    If you understood anything at all about the culture there, you would realize that as well.

    They’ll probably be lots of executions, not all Al Qaeda.

    But, as long as we get our troops out…


  65. Xisithrus says:

    The issue, as I see it, is that they are trying to cover it up, which means they know where it went.

    As we were told when they started tapping, “Theres nothing to worry about if you have nothing to hide.”

    The same applies here. If they have nothing to worry about then they have nothing to hide.


  66. pete says:

    backup Says:
    Do you leave them there to declare victory, or do you fight them there, regardless of why they’re there in the first place?

    Do you realize how revealing that statement is? Guess what? When we leave, whether it’s with parades or under fire, the people of Iraq will declare victory. You can’t “win” an occupation so get over it. We WILL lose. Big deal.

    There’s a great parallel in recent American history. Those who wished to continue our occupation of S. Vietnam made all sorts of dire predictions about how the communists would ride the tide of victory to conquer the globe.

    Well. We left. The communists declared victory and… Without the impetus of a “Hot War” communism, as it was, meekly faded away. No new communist countries were formed and many of the old ones abandoned communism. Like many marginal political systems, communism, needs the driving force of a supreme goal, conflict, or enemy to give it vitality. Plus, communism is against human nature so, even if it’s been adopted eagerly, it’s abandoned in disillusionment. Humans don’t make good ants.

    The whole point of the rant is to demonstrate that “declaring victory” in an isolated conflict does not, historically, provide much momentum for political movements. They are ultimately judged on their own merits. Allowing the “terrorists” to “declare victory” would not make their message any more palatable to peace loving, rational, people. And I don’t think you could find a whole lot of historical examples that would, under close scrutiny, belie that observation.


  67. upside99 says:

    Roger2,

    Let’s try it this way:

    You put $23,000 in an account in your bank, when you go to draw it out, there is $22,310 in the account.

    You tell the bank, they took $690 (3%) of your money and they say “Just a 3% loss, no Biggie, just the cost of doing business”, happens all the time in the banking world.


  68. belac says:

    They’ll probably be lots of executions, not all Al Qaeda.

    But, as long as we get our troops out…

    There probably will be… the situation is f’ed.

    Us staying doesn’t help though, it makes things worse.

    We’ll be paying for Bush’s folly for a long time to come and the Iraqi’s will be paying more… but we need someone with some credibility to begin sorting out this mess and that someone ain’t us…


  69. nycbassist says:

    Yes, Nancy… keep impeachment off the table.


  70. pete says:

    Ah b-kup. You come so close then turn away. You do realize that you are proposing?

    Your saying that we should continue real violence to prevent hypothetical violence and you can’t get by your all or nothing thinking. You can’t get past the full immediate unconditional withdrawal. Which is silly because it’s impossible and no reasonable person with authority has suggested any such thing.

    I say, “stop the real violence now deal with the hypothetical violence if and when it develops”. And here’s a hypothetical scenario to consider.

    What if the U.S. forces declared a conditional unilateral cease fire and cessation of offensive patrols.

    Here are the conditions: We would, obviously, return hostile fire. We would secure our bases and help with securing Iraqi facilities as needed. We would continue to provide technical and logistic support (which could include bomb detection/disposal)for LEGITIMATE Iraqi forces. We would continue to provide needed emergency support for LEGITIMATE Iraqi forces.

    Now. What possible harm would such an experiment cause?


  71. Exit Stage Left says:

    Exactly who is being gagged by president dooshbag?


  72. Xisithrus says:

    Though the United Kingdom and its empire emerged victorious from World War II, the effects of the conflict were profound, both at home and abroad. Much of Europe, a continent that had dominated the world for four hundred years, was now literally in ruins, and host to the armies of the United States and the Soviet Union, to whom the balance of global power had now shifted.[45] Britain itself was left virtually bankrupt, with insolvency only averted in 1946 after the negotiation of a $3.5 billion loan from the United States,[46] the last installment of which was repaid in 2006[47].

    No RrOoGgEeRr 23 billion isnt much money.

    *shakes head, rolls eyes twice*


  73. Chocolate Jesus says:

    >And I concede that al Qaeda
    > wasn’t in Iraq before we invaded,
    > but they are there now

    wow, the reality is strong in this one..hehe

    from your article:

    “According to the internal al Qaeda correspondence in the files, Iraqis have taken to, and effectively run, al Qaeda in Iraq. Foreign fighters’ roles seem mostly relegated to the canon fodder of suicide attacks.”

    AQI is pretty much a group of iraqi nationalists, they were not our enemies before we started this, and I think its fair to say that virtually all of them will return to wholly iraqi affairs once we leave.

    I dont think someone should get to commit 23 billion dollars of fraud simply in the name of fighting some group that wasnt around before we invaded..


  74. pete says:

    Excellent point “Exit”. And, I might add, which Bush toady of a judge is signing the “gagging orders”?


  75. gus smith says:

    What senate committee has oversight responsibility for what department that lost the money? How is the inquiry and accountability working out?


  76. Xisithrus says:

    Hitler was financed with only about 27 million and look at the damage that caused. 23 billion can finance a whole lot of terrorism and thats why this is important, RrOoGgEeRr, that we know where that money went.


  77. k says:

    Is Nancy on vacation? How is Congress going to ignore this?


  78. questioneverything says:

    This is the one article (war profiteering) that Kucinich introduced that should have legs. Waxman said in response to this article that it is the biggest fraud ever. Nancy is hiding under the table.


  79. wizard2000 says:

    Nothing to worry about.

    The $23 Billion missing in Iraq was loaned to us by the Communist Chinese as part of BushCo’s insane deficit-spending economic program over the past 7 1/2 years that has ballooned our federal deficit to close to $10 Trillion. (Which, I’m certain, our children, grand-children and great-grand-children will be glad to pay).

    So, just wait until the Communist Chinese learn that BushCo lost all that money over in Iraq, their money that they loaned us by buying trillions in U.S. government bonds, presumably a safe investment bet, or at least, at one time, it was.

    Hopefully, George W. Bush will make Communist China part of his farewell tour, at which time the Communist Chinese should demand to his face that he account for the missing billions in Iraq, which indirectly was theirs.


  80. backup says:

    pete. I had to go but your posts were very reasonable.

    A lot of what you are saying in #70 makes sense, with one caveat, apparently there were considerable atrocities after the Vietnam war, millions.

    Are similar events possible after we leave Iraq. If they’re possible, can they be mitigated?

    Your proposals in #74 also seem reasonable.


  81. Ms_Joanne says:

    Blogwhoring…so sorry.

    You’re gonna love this!

    Why are YOU voting Republican?


  82. mdbyrne says:

    I’m currently in Kuwait, and if you could see the amount of money that is thrown around daily at this war it’s ridiculous. We’ve been here so long that SUSTAINMENT contracts are now in place, because it’s too expensive to run CONTINGENCY contracts for 10-20 years.
    Because of all the corruption that took place in Kuwait since the beginning of the war GAO has a permamnent office down here and spends the whole time doing audits of contracts. In case you don’t remember two people who dealt in contracts in Kuwait committed suicide after being caught defrauding the government.

    If it’s this controlled now, I can only imagine how it was in OIF 1 (first year of OIF for you non-military types)when shit was just off the hook and fairly unregulated.


  83. mdbyrne says:

    I have buddies who were doing jobs outside their specialty in OIF 1 and they talk about going out with garbage bags full of cash and just handing it out to people and paying for things. I bet alot of that money just wound up in the hands of insurgents. It’s just lost.


  84. Kay says:

    Impeach Bush,Cheney & Pelosi…


  85. spanky1984 says:

    If you think that 23 Billion is alot. Take a look at this article about a Trillion dollars worth of corruption in this administartion.
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9288


  86. ForTruth says:

    Paying off the world to let Americans remain in a bubble and continue their lifestyles won’t fly forever.



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