Comments on: Engel: There Have Been Five Wars In Iraq And The U.S. Record In Them Is Just 1-4 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/engel-there-have-been-five-wars-in-iraq-and-the-us-record-in-them-is-just-1-4/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:58:42 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: WaltTheMan http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/engel-there-have-been-five-wars-in-iraq-and-the-us-record-in-them-is-just-1-4/comment-page-1/#comment-5018488 WaltTheMan Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:55:06 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/engel-there-have-been-five-wars-in-iraq-and-the-us-record-in-them-is-just-1-4/#comment-5018488 'can' s/b 'can be' ‘can’ s/b ‘can be’

]]> By: WaltTheMan http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/engel-there-have-been-five-wars-in-iraq-and-the-us-record-in-them-is-just-1-4/comment-page-1/#comment-5018476 WaltTheMan Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:54:11 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/engel-there-have-been-five-wars-in-iraq-and-the-us-record-in-them-is-just-1-4/#comment-5018476 Wayne, As rueful as I am to admit that rogers can <a href="http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/country/country_time_series.cfm?fips=IZ" rel="nofollow"><strong>right</strong></a> on this your special day, it's in the charts. As you all know, I am impartial! Wayne,
As rueful as I am to admit that rogers can right on this your special day, it’s in the charts. As you all know, I am impartial!

]]> By: pete http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/engel-there-have-been-five-wars-in-iraq-and-the-us-record-in-them-is-just-1-4/comment-page-1/#comment-5018160 pete Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:06:41 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/engel-there-have-been-five-wars-in-iraq-and-the-us-record-in-them-is-just-1-4/#comment-5018160 True Wayne. And even that 4 million wouldn't pay for a few hundred thousand American troops/mercenaries. True Wayne. And even that 4 million wouldn’t pay for a few hundred thousand American troops/mercenaries.

]]> By: Wayne A. Schneider http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/engel-there-have-been-five-wars-in-iraq-and-the-us-record-in-them-is-just-1-4/comment-page-1/#comment-5018124 Wayne A. Schneider Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:00:42 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/engel-there-have-been-five-wars-in-iraq-and-the-us-record-in-them-is-just-1-4/#comment-5018124 <em>“In May we have exceeded for the first time a 2 million barrels per day export rate. In production we have exceeded 2.5 million bpd,” Shahristani said.</em> Before we invaded, Iraq was producing over 4 million barrels per day of oil. The sharp decline in production is one of several reasons why current prices are so high (short supply, high demand). What was your idiotic point again? “In May we have exceeded for the first time a 2 million barrels per day export rate. In production we have exceeded 2.5 million bpd,” Shahristani said.

Before we invaded, Iraq was producing over 4 million barrels per day of oil. The sharp decline in production is one of several reasons why current prices are so high (short supply, high demand). What was your idiotic point again?

]]> By: pete http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/engel-there-have-been-five-wars-in-iraq-and-the-us-record-in-them-is-just-1-4/comment-page-1/#comment-5018086 pete Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:54:21 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/engel-there-have-been-five-wars-in-iraq-and-the-us-record-in-them-is-just-1-4/#comment-5018086 Yes rog. We all know that May had low casualty figures. In fact, more U.S. troops were killed in Afghanistan than Iraq. And? 15 have been killed in Iraq in the first 12 days of June. I don't know about Afghanistan. What's your point? Yes rog. We all know that May had low casualty figures. In fact, more U.S. troops were killed in Afghanistan than Iraq. And? 15 have been killed in Iraq in the first 12 days of June. I don’t know about Afghanistan.

What’s your point?

]]> By: MapleStreet http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/engel-there-have-been-five-wars-in-iraq-and-the-us-record-in-them-is-just-1-4/comment-page-1/#comment-5018080 MapleStreet Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:53:58 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/engel-there-have-been-five-wars-in-iraq-and-the-us-record-in-them-is-just-1-4/#comment-5018080 Like I said in the lead up to the illegal invasion and occupation: This is the part of the world that has given us the word "assasin". After WW II the areas was divided to suit the English occupiers and they were run out. The general area has a history back through the Romans to the Greeks as being resistant to occupiers. How come I saw it and Shrub didn't ? Like I said in the lead up to the illegal invasion and occupation:

This is the part of the world that has given us the word “assasin”. After WW II the areas was divided to suit the English occupiers and they were run out. The general area has a history back through the Romans to the Greeks as being resistant to occupiers.

How come I saw it and Shrub didn’t ?

]]> By: pete http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/engel-there-have-been-five-wars-in-iraq-and-the-us-record-in-them-is-just-1-4/comment-page-1/#comment-5018018 pete Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:41:36 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/engel-there-have-been-five-wars-in-iraq-and-the-us-record-in-them-is-just-1-4/#comment-5018018 Gummitch. Rog is quite good at introducing arguments or links which, upon careful examination, make cases against his premise. Gummitch. Rog is quite good at introducing arguments or links which, upon careful examination, make cases against his premise.

]]> By: gummitch http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/engel-there-have-been-five-wars-in-iraq-and-the-us-record-in-them-is-just-1-4/comment-page-1/#comment-5018014 gummitch Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:39:22 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/engel-there-have-been-five-wars-in-iraq-and-the-us-record-in-them-is-just-1-4/#comment-5018014 rogerse makes me correct his creative editing yet again: U.S. troop deaths in Iraq fell to their lowest level last month since the 2003 invasion and officials said on Sunday improved security also helped the country boost oil production in May to a post-war high… <strong>American generals have stressed that the security gains are both fragile and reversible. That was shown in March, when an Iraqi government offensive against Shi'ite militias in southern Basra sparked a surge in violence in the capital and other cities, catching U.S. and Iraqi officials off guard.</strong> rogerse makes me correct his creative editing yet again:

U.S. troop deaths in Iraq fell to their lowest level last month since the 2003 invasion and officials said on Sunday improved security also helped the country boost oil production in May to a post-war high…

American generals have stressed that the security gains are both fragile and reversible. That was shown in March, when an Iraqi government offensive against Shi’ite militias in southern Basra sparked a surge in violence in the capital and other cities, catching U.S. and Iraqi officials off guard.

]]> By: Leftside Annie http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/engel-there-have-been-five-wars-in-iraq-and-the-us-record-in-them-is-just-1-4/comment-page-1/#comment-5017984 Leftside Annie Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:33:01 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/engel-there-have-been-five-wars-in-iraq-and-the-us-record-in-them-is-just-1-4/#comment-5017984 Again, asswhole - WHAT'S YER POINT? Again, asswhole – WHAT’S YER POINT?

]]> By: DaTruth http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/engel-there-have-been-five-wars-in-iraq-and-the-us-record-in-them-is-just-1-4/comment-page-1/#comment-5017958 DaTruth Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:22:57 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/engel-there-have-been-five-wars-in-iraq-and-the-us-record-in-them-is-just-1-4/#comment-5017958 Those who support the war-criminal idiot resort to "COPY AND PASTE" posting procedure since they have no words of their own! Those who support the war-criminal idiot resort to “COPY AND PASTE” posting procedure since they have no words of their own!

]]> By: gummitch http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/engel-there-have-been-five-wars-in-iraq-and-the-us-record-in-them-is-just-1-4/comment-page-1/#comment-5017950 gummitch Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:21:12 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/engel-there-have-been-five-wars-in-iraq-and-the-us-record-in-them-is-just-1-4/#comment-5017950 rogerse is so used to being ignored, he apparently figured he could edit the article and no one would notice. He started by leaving out the goals: <strong> GOALS FOR THE IRAQI GOVERNMENT: --Take responsibility for security in all of Iraq's provinces by November 2007 --Give U.S. and coalition forces authority to pursue all extremists --Pass legislation to share oil revenues among all Iraqis and promote investment --Reform de-Baathification laws --Hold provincial elections in 2007</strong> And then he edited out the parts that didn't support his opinion. Attacks in Iraq declined 60 percent during the surge, according to the U.S. military. Deaths from sectarian violence dropped 90 percent after the last additional U.S. combat brigade arrived in Iraq in June 2007….<strong>But violence has climbed in 2008 due to al Qaeda activity in the north and intra-Shi'ite violence in the south.</strong> …Iraq enacted the “Accountability and Justice Law” in January, which became law in February, to allow the majority of former members of Saddam Hussein’s Baath party to return to former posts in government… …Iraq has taken security responsibility for half of its 18 provinces. A Pentagon report to the U.S. Congress in September said the handover of security responsibility for all provinces could be complete by July 2008…<strong>past the November 2007 target.</strong> …Iraq enacted the “Provincial Powers Law” in March to pave the way for provincial elections. It will define the relationship between Iraq’s 18 provinces and the central government and is seen by Iraqi officials as a first step toward provincial elections, due by October… <strong>--Legislation to share Iraq's oil revenue equitably among Iraqis and to clear the way for investment in its oil fields has been deadlocked by a battle for control of the reserves.</strong> In other words, Roger2 is completely dishonest. rogerse is so used to being ignored, he apparently figured he could edit the article and no one would notice.

He started by leaving out the goals:

GOALS FOR THE IRAQI GOVERNMENT:

–Take responsibility for security in all of Iraq’s provinces by November 2007

–Give U.S. and coalition forces authority to pursue all extremists

–Pass legislation to share oil revenues among all Iraqis and promote investment

–Reform de-Baathification laws

–Hold provincial elections in 2007

And then he edited out the parts that didn’t support his opinion.

Attacks in Iraq declined 60 percent during the surge, according to the U.S. military. Deaths from sectarian violence dropped 90 percent after the last additional U.S. combat brigade arrived in Iraq in June 2007….But violence has climbed in 2008 due to al Qaeda activity in the north and intra-Shi’ite violence in the south.

…Iraq enacted the “Accountability and Justice Law” in January, which became law in February, to allow the majority of former members of Saddam Hussein’s Baath party to return to former posts in government…

…Iraq has taken security responsibility for half of its 18 provinces. A Pentagon report to the U.S. Congress in September said the handover of security responsibility for all provinces could be complete by July 2008…past the November 2007 target.

…Iraq enacted the “Provincial Powers Law” in March to pave the way for provincial elections. It will define the relationship between Iraq’s 18 provinces and the central government and is seen by Iraqi officials as a first step toward provincial elections, due by October…

–Legislation to share Iraq’s oil revenue equitably among Iraqis and to clear the way for investment in its oil fields has been deadlocked by a battle for control of the reserves.

In other words, Roger2 is completely dishonest.

]]> By: upside99 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/engel-there-have-been-five-wars-in-iraq-and-the-us-record-in-them-is-just-1-4/comment-page-1/#comment-5017934 upside99 Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:18:40 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/engel-there-have-been-five-wars-in-iraq-and-the-us-record-in-them-is-just-1-4/#comment-5017934 Rogers, tell us what winning is? How do we measure it? How many lives is it worth? How much debt? What does the US get for it? Inquiring minds want to know. Rogers,

tell us what winning is?

How do we measure it?

How many lives is it worth?

How much debt?

What does the US get for it?

Inquiring minds want to know.

]]> By: Leftside Annie http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/engel-there-have-been-five-wars-in-iraq-and-the-us-record-in-them-is-just-1-4/comment-page-1/#comment-5017926 Leftside Annie Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:13:29 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/engel-there-have-been-five-wars-in-iraq-and-the-us-record-in-them-is-just-1-4/#comment-5017926 Rogers...yeah? So? What's your point? If things are so great now in Iraq - WE NEED TO GET OUT. Rogers…yeah? So? What’s your point?

If things are so great now in Iraq – WE NEED TO GET OUT.

]]> By: Wayne A. Schneider http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/engel-there-have-been-five-wars-in-iraq-and-the-us-record-in-them-is-just-1-4/comment-page-1/#comment-5017920 Wayne A. Schneider Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:12:53 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/engel-there-have-been-five-wars-in-iraq-and-the-us-record-in-them-is-just-1-4/#comment-5017920 <em><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/02/22/ST2008022200780.html" rel="nofollow">Sadr Extends Truce In Iraq</a> U.S. Officials Hail Cleric's Decision By Sudarsan Raghavan and Amit R. Paley Washington Post Foreign Service Saturday, February 23, 2008; Page A01 BAGHDAD, Feb. 22 -- Anti-American Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr ordered his Mahdi Army militia on Friday to extend a cease-fire for six months, a decision designed to bolster his stature and power but one that U.S. and Iraqi officials hope will also increase stability in Iraq. </em> rogers(e), You don't think this had anything to so with the level of violence going down? What's going to happen come late August when the ceasefire ends and Bush is on vacation in Crawford? Sadr Extends Truce In Iraq
U.S. Officials Hail Cleric’s Decision
By Sudarsan Raghavan and Amit R. Paley
Washington Post Foreign Service
Saturday, February 23, 2008; Page A01

BAGHDAD, Feb. 22 — Anti-American Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr ordered his Mahdi Army militia on Friday to extend a cease-fire for six months, a decision designed to bolster his stature and power but one that U.S. and Iraqi officials hope will also increase stability in Iraq.

rogers(e),

You don’t think this had anything to so with the level of violence going down? What’s going to happen come late August when the ceasefire ends and Bush is on vacation in Crawford?

]]> By: Leftside Annie http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/engel-there-have-been-five-wars-in-iraq-and-the-us-record-in-them-is-just-1-4/comment-page-1/#comment-5017886 Leftside Annie Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:00:16 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/engel-there-have-been-five-wars-in-iraq-and-the-us-record-in-them-is-just-1-4/#comment-5017886 There is no such thing as "winning" this illegal occupation...well, unless Chimpy forces the Iraqis to hand over their country to us via his illegal treaty: Chimpy sez: <em>Give us your country - and we won't kill you. Of course, we'll flood the place with Blackwater mercenaries who won't be accountable to anyone for anything they do or anyone they kill, but you hajjis don't mind that, right? We're keeping you safe!! Of course, our oil companies will come in and suck out every drop of oil you have, for which they might pay you a few cents a barrel - but hey, that's a good deal for you third world towelheads, right? Think of all the cheap rugs you can buy!! Of course, you ragheads won't be allowed to fly or drive anywhere, because we control your airspace and your borders, but hey, we're keeping you safe! What? You don't like that idea? Sheesh - after all we've done for you?? We LIBERATED YOU, you ungrateful sand ni**ers!!</em> There is no such thing as “winning” this illegal occupation…well, unless Chimpy forces the Iraqis to hand over their country to us via his illegal treaty:

Chimpy sez:

Give us your country – and we won’t kill you.

Of course, we’ll flood the place with Blackwater mercenaries who won’t be accountable to anyone for anything they do or anyone they kill, but you hajjis don’t mind that, right? We’re keeping you safe!!

Of course, our oil companies will come in and suck out every drop of oil you have, for which they might pay you a few cents a barrel – but hey, that’s a good deal for you third world towelheads, right? Think of all the cheap rugs you can buy!!

Of course, you ragheads won’t be allowed to fly or drive anywhere, because we control your airspace and your borders, but hey, we’re keeping you safe!

What? You don’t like that idea?

Sheesh – after all we’ve done for you?? We LIBERATED YOU, you ungrateful sand ni**ers!!

]]> By: DaTruth http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/engel-there-have-been-five-wars-in-iraq-and-the-us-record-in-them-is-just-1-4/comment-page-1/#comment-5017882 DaTruth Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:59:10 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/engel-there-have-been-five-wars-in-iraq-and-the-us-record-in-them-is-just-1-4/#comment-5017882 The war criminal idiot's frivolous war is designed to bankrupt this nation. It is a war fueled by lies and deceit. A war built on false pretenses is a lost war, no matter what the idiot says. Just look at the price of gas at the pump, it says loud and clear that this whole ordeal is a COLOSSAL FAILURE!!! And, as the rich get richer, the dollar is worth less and less! It is all so obvious : the idiot stealing the elections, misleading this country into a criminal occupation, 9/11, Katrina, the price of gas at the pump, the entire Bush nightmare makes the idiot freak so deserving of the full penalty : EXECUTION! The war criminal idiot’s frivolous war is designed to bankrupt this nation. It is a war fueled by lies and deceit. A war built on false pretenses is a lost war, no matter what the idiot says. Just look at the price of gas at the pump, it says loud and clear that this whole ordeal is a COLOSSAL FAILURE!!! And, as the rich get richer, the dollar is worth less and less! It is all so obvious : the idiot stealing the elections, misleading this country into a criminal occupation, 9/11, Katrina, the price of gas at the pump, the entire Bush nightmare makes the idiot freak so deserving of the full penalty : EXECUTION!

]]> By: RantingTommy http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/engel-there-have-been-five-wars-in-iraq-and-the-us-record-in-them-is-just-1-4/comment-page-1/#comment-5017880 RantingTommy Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:59:05 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/engel-there-have-been-five-wars-in-iraq-and-the-us-record-in-them-is-just-1-4/#comment-5017880 Shorter McCain: "Just ignore the scoreboard! We're WINNING!" Shorter McCain:

“Just ignore the scoreboard! We’re WINNING!”

]]> By: misshusseinmolly http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/engel-there-have-been-five-wars-in-iraq-and-the-us-record-in-them-is-just-1-4/comment-page-1/#comment-5017876 misshusseinmolly Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:57:50 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/engel-there-have-been-five-wars-in-iraq-and-the-us-record-in-them-is-just-1-4/#comment-5017876 Evergreen2U Says June 13th, 2008 at 1:24 pm What does “winning” mean? ___________________________________________ Well, winning means winning, as everybody knows. And my friends, we're winning. We're definitely winning. And we'll keep on winning. For years to come. /snark off Evergreen2U Says
June 13th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
What does “winning” mean?
___________________________________________

Well, winning means winning, as everybody knows. And my friends, we’re winning. We’re definitely winning. And we’ll keep on winning. For years to come.

/snark off

]]> By: upside99 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/engel-there-have-been-five-wars-in-iraq-and-the-us-record-in-them-is-just-1-4/comment-page-1/#comment-5017868 upside99 Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:56:16 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/engel-there-have-been-five-wars-in-iraq-and-the-us-record-in-them-is-just-1-4/#comment-5017868 <em>rmwarnick Says:</em> And don't forget the 58 bases from which we can launch against any country in the ME and much of Africa. Who said Imperialism was dead! rmwarnick Says:

And don’t forget the 58 bases from which we can launch against any country in the ME and much of Africa.

Who said Imperialism was dead!

]]> By: RantingTommy http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/engel-there-have-been-five-wars-in-iraq-and-the-us-record-in-them-is-just-1-4/comment-page-1/#comment-5017860 RantingTommy Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:54:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/13/engel-there-have-been-five-wars-in-iraq-and-the-us-record-in-them-is-just-1-4/#comment-5017860 the REAL definition of 'winning' (for Republicans): #1 - Prevent the Iraqi oil from making it to market, that keeps the price high for us and the profits high for the oil companies #2 - Continue fighting (not winning) the "war on terror", in order to keep funneling $ into the MIC #3 - Use the inevitable dissent when the lies are discovered to paint the "left" as unpatriotic In other words, winning = staying (for them). Ending the occupation is the end of the gravy train. the REAL definition of ‘winning’ (for Republicans):

#1 – Prevent the Iraqi oil from making it to market, that keeps the price high for us and the profits high for the oil companies

#2 – Continue fighting (not winning) the “war on terror”, in order to keep funneling $ into the MIC

#3 – Use the inevitable dissent when the lies are discovered to paint the “left” as unpatriotic

In other words, winning = staying (for them). Ending the occupation is the end of the gravy train.

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