FLASHBACK: In 2003, McCain Blasted Administration’s Indefinite Detention Of Detainees
FLASHBACK: In 2003, McCain Blasted Administration’s Indefinite Detention Of Detainees
Yesterday, the Supreme Court ruled that Guantanamo Bay detainees have the right to challenge their detention in civilian courts. The Bush administration and its allies quickly criticized the decision:
President Bush: “It was a deeply divided court and I strongly agree with those who dissented. The dissent was based upon those serious concerns about U.S. national security.” [Link]
Sen. John McCain (R-AZ): “The United States Supreme Court yesterday rendered a decision which I think is one of the worst decisions in the history of this country. Senator Graham, and Senator Lieberman, and I…made it very clear that these are enemy combatants, these are people who are not citizens. They do not and never have been given the rights that citizens of this country have. [6/13/08]
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC): “I am deeply disappointed in what I think is a tremendously dangerous and irresponsible ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court. … The court has conferred upon civilian judges the right to make military decisions.” [Link]
McCain and Graham’s objections sharply contrast with their positions in 2003, when they wrote a letter to then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, urging him to swiftly resolve the status of Guantanamo detainees:
The treatment of the detainees is not an issue. However, a serious concern arises over the disposition of the detainees - a considerable number of whom have been held for two years. […]
Yet, we firmly believe it is now time to make a decision on how the United States will move forward regarding the detainees, and to take that important next step. A serious process must be established in the very near term either to formally treat and process the detainees as war criminals or to return them to their countries for appropriate judicial action.
On Dec. 13, 2003, the New York Times also reported that McCain said, “They may not have any rights under the Geneva Conventions as far as I’m concerned, but they have rights under various human rights declarations. And one of them is the right not to be detained indefinitely.”
Five years after their letter, just “one detainee has received a verdict.” Approximately 270 are still detained there and “about half are considered too dangerous to release, even though the government does not have enough evidence to charge them.”
This Supreme Court ruling will inevitably lead to a “flood of new litigation” challenging the Bush administration’s right to hold these detainees. Detainees will then finally get a decision as to their status — exactly as McCain and Graham requested.
In light of these 2003 remarks, it’s unclear why McCain considers this Supreme Court ruling the “worst decision in history,” except for the fact that it isn’t what the Bush administration wanted.
Cross-posted at the Wonk Room.
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Wouldn’t it just be easier to report on all the positions McCain has ever STUCK WITH? I’m feeling unable to come up with even one.
Oh — except for bombing Iran. He’s still hanging onto that one.
June 13th, 2008 at 2:45 pmPresident Bush: “It was a deeply divided court and I strongly agree with those who dissented. The dissent was based upon those serious concerns about U.S. national security.”
Maybe, but the dissent was not based on the Constitution. As for this decision being the “worst decision in history,” I think Homer Plessy might have something to say about that.
June 13th, 2008 at 2:48 pmOk, so if I use McCain’s logic (of this week), if I travel to a foreign country, I can do whatever I want to them. After all, they’re not US citizens and therefore not subject to the protections of the law.
June 13th, 2008 at 2:51 pmmisshusseinmolly Says:
He still “hates the gooks.” He’s pretty much stuck to that.
June 13th, 2008 at 2:51 pmSome of the occupants at Gitmo have been kidnapped off the streets of their own country or a country they were visiting. So, let’s talk more about “rights”, you filthy reich-wing GOPig rats.
June 13th, 2008 at 2:54 pmMinatour Says:
It’s spelled minotaur, meathead.
June 13th, 2008 at 2:54 pmWhile I won’t speak for everyone, Minatour, I will say that, generally speaking, progressives prefer to attack the argument being made and not the person. Generally speaking, it’s the reverse with conservatives. Conservatives find nothing wrong with attacking the person making the argument and not the argument itself. That’s why they were so pissed off when the Dems had Graeme Frost speak out for SCHIP. That’s why Ann Coulter is upset that the 9/11 widows are criticizing our government. They don’t know how to win an argument on the merits of their views, so they want to attack the person making the argument, and they get mad when they look bad doing it. (Because it is bad to do it.)
Now, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. In addition to my being opposed to many of McCain’s irrational views, I also believe him to be a liar. But he is also flat out wrong on many, many issues. It makes no difference how many people think he’s right (probably because they are blinded by the image of him as a “war hero” - since when did being a POW automatically make one a “war hero”?), he is not right about a lot of things including Iraq, Iran, social security, the economy, women’s reproductive rights, gay marriage…
June 13th, 2008 at 2:56 pmMinatour Says:
misshusseinmolly,
McCain is a good man. How dare you Secular Progressives attack him. He’s a war hero and a real patriot. You coulnd’t fill his shoes.
McSame is not a ‘good man’. Good men don’t leave their ill wives and take up with a beer guzzler. Good men don’t torture innocent human beings. Good men don’t wish for a third Bush term. Good men don’t lie as McSame does. Good men don’t have Phil Gramm as an advisor. Good men don’t make propoganda films for the North Vietnamese. Good men don’t crash 5 of our aircraft. Good men don’t spy on US citizens without a warrant.
Everytime McSame has a bowel movement, he fills his own shoes.
June 13th, 2008 at 2:56 pmI’m thinking the DNC needs to do a series of advertisements kind of like the Burma Shave signs along the side of the road. Have each be a 30 second clip of one of McSame’s flip flops.
We need to start doing something NOW to introduce the real John McSame to the public because it has become very clear that the MSM isn’t going to do it.
June 13th, 2008 at 2:56 pmMinatour said:
McCain is a good man. How dare you Secular Progressives attack him. He’s a war hero and a real patriot. You coulnd’t fill his shoes.
I wouldn’t want to fill his shoes. I’ve lost count of the number of issues he’s flip-flopped on. And as far as being a patriot, that depends on your definition of the word. No doubt to you patriotism means proclaiming the superiority of your country for no other reason than you happen to live in it. To the Founding Fathers it meant making your country the best it could be.
http://progressiveworldreview.com
June 13th, 2008 at 2:57 pmHe is a Vietnam flying ace - for the Vietnamese. He was a propaganda tool for them, too.
Don’t forget that he “graduated” fifth from the bottom of a class of about a thousand in the Naval Academy.
Yep - real hero stuff. Why did he vote against education benefits for veterans, again?
I forget.
June 13th, 2008 at 2:57 pmWith apologies for the repetition of an earlier post (following an earlier Sen. McCain flip-flop), I’m leaning toward the notion that Sen. McCain will not ultimately be the Republican’s presidential candidate; they’ll have him bow out for medical reasons, to be replaced by whomever it’s decided could utter sequential sentences without contradiction.
June 13th, 2008 at 2:58 pm#Wayne A. Schneider Says:
It makes no difference how many people think he’s right (probably because they are blinded by the image of him as a “war hero” - since when did being a POW automatically make one a “war hero”?)….
Bingo. I’m wondering how many of his fellow POW’s came back with $58,000 a year in “disability payments”, 28 medals and the designation of “war hero”. I’m guessing none. Those things only go to famous people who crash their airplanes (his 5th crash) and get captured.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:01 pmthey’ll have him bow out for medical reasons, to be replaced by whomever it’s decided could utter sequential sentences without contradiction.
Do they have time to find such a person? The election is less than five months away.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:03 pmPatty Says:
With apologies for the repetition of an earlier post (following an earlier Sen. McCain flip-flop), I’m leaning toward the notion that Sen. McCain will not ultimately be the Republican’s presidential candidate; they’ll have him bow out for medical reasons, to be replaced by whomever it’s decided could utter sequential sentences without contradiction.
That’s been my contention for quite some time now. I think they will pick Romney/Huckabee. And if the Democrats aren’t careful, they will be in trouble. The Republicans will trot out a new fresh candidate with only two months left to go to the election.
I think that the DNC/Obama need to run against the Republican party and all the harm they have done to this country. If they do that rather than running against McCain, they will be ahead of the game when the Republicans pull a switch on us.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:04 pmminotaur jokes:
June 13th, 2008 at 3:06 pmMcCain is a good man. How dare you Secular Progressives attack him. He’s a war hero and a real patriot. You coulnd’t fill his shoes.
McAncient spent years in a bamboo box during another pointless war, and has not developed the sense to recognize another meaningless war when it happens. That is not what I call ‘great’.
McCain seems to be ever-confused, rotating in the breeze like an old brass weather vane…
I listened to Armstrong and Getty, a couple of right-wing blowhards on KNEW, 910 AM out in San Francisco this morning and I swear that the sounded just like a couple of old Gestapo agents, bemoaning the fact that the Supreme Court had just restored the right of habeus Corpus for the political prisoners who have been held in the Guantanamo Bay prison for over five years without even a hearing… They were dreaming of some off-shore location where Bush & Co. could confine, torture and murder people at will. (How about commie China, dudes?). Sounds like their kind of place: ho human rights at all…
P.S. Big mouth Bush is mouthing off about this Supreme Court, 5-4 decision… Herr Boosh seized power by way of a “deeply divided” 5-4 Supreme Court December 2000 decision that was and is to this day, highly controversial. Some how, the Court decided, that the vote counting in the Florida election had to be stopped as to not negatively affect Bush’s something or other: pride, community standing, some BS…
June 13th, 2008 at 3:06 pmMinatour Says:
Wayne A. Schneider,
You are a Secular Progressive. You wantto destroy America with Gay Marriage and Islamic Sharia law. You are nothing compared to McCain, He’s a hero and you are a zero!
Something tells me this troll just woke up from his nap, and boy is he pissed off! What troll, Momma took you ‘blankey’ away? Whaaaaa, Whaaaaa. Whiny assed baby.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:07 pmMinatour Says:
Wayne A. Schneider,
You are a Secular Progressive. You wantto destroy America with Gay Marriage and Islamic Sharia law. You are nothing compared to McCain, He’s a hero and you are a zero!
I’m betting that Wayne didn’t graduate at the bottom of his class and crash 5 airplanes. I’m betting that Wayne’s IQ bests yours by at least 20 points. I’m betting you are probably 12.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:08 pmMinatour Says
June 13th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
misshusseinmolly,
McCain is a good man. How dare you Secular Progressives attack him. He’s a war hero and a real patriot. You coulnd’t fill his shoes.
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First, I doubt McCain and I wear the same size.
Second, I have not criticized McCain’s military service. But being a former POW doesn’t give one license to change positions more often than a Barbie doll changes clothes without being called on it.
Third — “Secular” progressives? What in the world does secularism have to do with the topic at hand?
June 13th, 2008 at 3:10 pmHey minotaur:
June 13th, 2008 at 3:11 pmhow exactly is it that gay marriage will ‘destroy’ america? why was it important enough for you to mention on this unrelated thread?
or is it because minotaurs are only half a man and half bull (as in bulllshit)?
“Hmmph! Wars not make one great!”
June 13th, 2008 at 3:12 pmmisshusseinmolly Says:
My O’Reilly to English dictionary says:
June 13th, 2008 at 3:12 pmSecular Progressives = Anyone that doesn’t agree with me
Minotaur forgets those that smeared the great man McCain back in 2000. They were, we now know America destroyers from the GOP!!!
Yes, its true, McCain was smeared by his own people, he was called a collaborator, a fag, mentally disturbed…
Why is Minotaurs memory so short?
June 13th, 2008 at 3:13 pmand the charges and trials have started, so does he have a reason to complain about gitmo now?.
If one wants to call what they are doing “trials”. More like kangaroo court. They will not be presenting “evidence” against any of the detainees. Their only “evidence” is their confessions which were obtained while the detainees were being tortured. But, the detainees can’t enter proof that they were tortured, that’s inadmissible evidence in this kangaroo court.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:13 pmMinatour Says:
You are a Secular Progressive. You wantto destroy America with Gay Marriage and Islamic Sharia law.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
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Considering the fact that Shari’a law opposes homosexuality, I’m extremely curious as to how we’re going to do this. Do we use The Gay first and THEN convert everyone to Islam, or do we use the Islam first and then convert everyone to Gay?
June 13th, 2008 at 3:14 pmGee, Minatour, you sound just like Mr. Pee. He’s also an idiot.
And what is wrong with being a secular progressive? You make it sound like secular progressives want to go around the world attacking anybody who looks at us funny with a “pre-emptive first strike” foreign policy. We’re not that stupid.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:14 pm#misshusseinmolly Says:
Third — “Secular” progressives? What in the world does secularism have to do with the topic at hand?
Hey now, don’t take away his buzz words. Then he will have nothing left to post. If he can’t post right wing talking points filled with their buzz words, he has nothing.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:15 pmMinatour Says
June 13th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
Wayne A. Schneider,
You are a Secular Progressive. You wantto destroy America with Gay Marriage and Islamic Sharia law. You are nothing compared to McCain, He’s a hero and you are a zero!
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OK, I think we have an unhinged troll here. Poor guy, his negative talking points are all running together and he is now coming across as a blithering idiot.
C’mon, Minatour (and perhaps you’ll tell us why you spell it that way), try to focus. I just KNOW you can do better than this.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:15 pmXisithrus Says:
Ted Haggard says that meth and dope really does a number on your memory.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:15 pmOh, and please, while I don’t normally engage trolls like you, I just have to hear your explanation of how gay marriage is destroying America? Do I have time to get my popcorn first? This should be entertaining.
Give me just ONE example of how America is being “destroyed” by gay marriage. Just one.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:17 pmRepublicans are an absolute joke when it comes to defending our rights and providing for our safety.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:17 pmmisshusseinmolly Says:
C’mon, Minatour (and perhaps you’ll tell us why you spell it that way), try to focus. I just KNOW you can do better than this.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
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I’m guessing he gets paid by the talking point.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:18 pmYou wantto destroy America with Gay Marriage and Islamic Sharia law.
For the record, I am opposed to ALL forms of organized religion. That does not mean that I don’t believe you should have the right to worship the god(s) of your choice, I just don’t think that any organized religion has a lock on “what God wants”.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:19 pmOkay, Minatour, that Rush Limbaugh’s explanation. What’s YOUR explanation? Do idiots like you and Rush really,/em> believe that if gay marriage is legalized fully, that our population will go down to the point where we will be outnumbered by Muslims? And this is bad because, why? Because all Muslims are evil? Is that the implication you’re making?
June 13th, 2008 at 3:23 pmRush Limbaugh has explained why Progressives want Gay Marriage. It’s so Americans have less kinds and homosexuality increases. -MindSore
LMAO, Limbaugh has explained. Are you sure he wasnt high on oxycontin when he fed you your pablum? According to Limbaugh, years ago, drug addicts were destroying America and should be deported. Then he became one and has nit deported himself.
Why cant you see Limbaugh is playing on your inherent fears and bias?
June 13th, 2008 at 3:23 pmMinatour Says:
hussein toasterhead,
Rush Limbaugh has explained why Progressives want Gay Marriage. It’s so Americans have less kinds and homosexuality increases. The Muslims will still be straight, so they will have kids and takeover. This is the Progressive goal. It is to Destroy America. But John McCain will save us from you. He will beat Mr. Hussein Obama.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
Wow. You found us out. Our secret plan for the Islamofabulous Revolution has been exposed.
Well, my secular progressive comrades - we had a good run, but the conservatives have found out our plans for U.S. domination. I guess we’re all going to have to convert back to Christianity and Breederism now.
And we would’ve gotten away with it, too, if it werent for you meddling Minatours!!!
June 13th, 2008 at 3:25 pm.
Johnny McTORTURE was AGAINST the violation of human Rights before he was FOR the violation of human Rights… ?
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June 13th, 2008 at 3:26 pmGrampy McSame says - My friends back in the day we all knew the president was right, no matter how many laws he broke, we didn’t care, we like our president to do what ever he wants, if he thinks you are a unpatriotic liberal thinking type and wants to lock you up forever, good, you either think like the president or you spend the rest of your life in a cage, I didn’t like the cage I was in for 5 years, no sir, and I think people who disagree with me should be put in cages, my dog likes his cage though, every time I enter the room he hides there, I can’t kick the damn dog when he’s in there though…you kids get off my lawn…I think I sat on my tuna sandwich.
That’s the point, the War Criminal Bush wants to lockup anyone he wants. He is not the king, he has to follow the law, now if congress would only make he do it.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:27 pmWell, Minatour (it’s so hard to misspell that each time like you do), you actually believe that your position has any validity at all? You don’t think that the heterosexual couples won’t produce more babies (some of whom will grow up to be gay)? Do you think that if gay marriage is legalized, heterosexual people will decide to become gay, and in large enough numbers to significantly reduce our population? I don’t think you understand what you’re talking about. I also think you must be a virgin, because I think heterosexual sex is just too damn much fun to give up entirely just because I could legally marry another man. And if you ever had any sex, you would agree.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:27 pmWow, minatour, way to try and take the topic from Sen. McCain’s inability to repeat from day to day the same point.
Let’s all stick to the topic at hand.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:29 pmThis is very dangerous. To prosecute terrorists in civilian courts, our govt. will now have to reveal the methods and intelligence assets/operatives they use in the war on terrorism. And since court proceedings are public information, the enemy will be able to see all this. Our govt. will be forced to choose whether to prosecute a terrorist or save the lives of its operatives and not compromise current operations. Regardless of political belief, all Americans should be aware of this fact. We cannot allow a repeat of the 9/11 attacks before we realize the threat that is brought to us by Islamic terrorism.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:29 pmI’m sorry, as much as I should chastise you all for engaging the troll, his definition of how gays are destroying America was extremely entertaining. Even with a massive storm approaching, I’m LMAO!!!
Back on topic:
June 13th, 2008 at 3:31 pmMcCain said this? I highly doubt it, as I’m sure he’ll tell you point blank he didn’t.
(/snark)
Minatour Says
June 13th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
Rush Limbaugh has explained why Progressives want Gay Marriage. It’s so Americans have less kinds and homosexuality increases. The Muslims will still be straight, so they will have kids and takeover. This is the Progressive goal. It is to Destroy America.
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HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!!
For a troll, you are most amusing! This is quite a scenario you paint. There are just a few things wrong with it.
First, do you really believe that all non-Muslim heterosexuals will become homosexuals and stop reproducing?
Second, even if this was remotely probable, do you really believe that the only thing keeping this from happening is forbidding gays to marry?
Third, how many Muslims do you think it would take to invade our country, set up stakes, and reproduce like mad in order to “take over”? And by “take over”, I mean overturn the U.S. Constitution completely in order to impose sharia law?
If Limbaugh actually said this, it was obviously a test to see how gullible his dittoheads were.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:33 pmRightOfAttila Says:
We cannot allow a repeat of the 9/11 attacks before we realize the threat that is brought to us by Islamic terrorism.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
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The only threat that “Islamic terrorism” poses to our country is that our government will continue to undermine the Constitution in order to “protect” us.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:33 pmWhy do I have this gut feeling that mini-Minatour has been rejected by both sexes?
June 13th, 2008 at 3:33 pmMacCocaine flip flops because he, like Bush & Co., has no moral! He goes with what he “feels” on that moment. But also, because of his age, he forgets what he said last week.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:37 pmHey MindSore, I dont see you ranting about Dick Cheney’s daughter destroying America because she involved in a lesbian relationship, raising a child no less, why is that?
June 13th, 2008 at 3:37 pm.
Johnny McTORTURE voted FOR the MCA of 2006…
The MCA of 2006 VIOLATED BASIC and INTRINSIC PRINCIPLES CONTAINED WITHIN THE CONSTITUTION that NO MEMBER of CONGRESS NOR the PRESIDENT MAY ATTEMPT TO ALTER OR ABOLISH!
Johnny McTORTURE voted to usurp the People’s FREEDOM to have Habeas Corpus Rights…
R E M E M B E R:
THEY(sic) HATE US FOR OUR FREEDOMS…
… And so THEY(sic) attempt to Legislate away our FREEDOM of Habeas Corpus Rights.
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June 13th, 2008 at 3:37 pmThe line of the day HAS TO BE:
“The young Kids will think being Gay is ok and they will not be straight.”
Is that all it took? THAT’S THE CAUSE AND EFFECT? Sounds like they were gay to begin with and just didn’t know it. Kind of like our troll lost in the maze.
This is one of the funniest trolls evah.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:38 pm.
Johnny McTORTURE’s vote to abolish our FREEDOM of HABEAS CORPUS RIGHTS…
http://www.senate.gov/ legislative/ LIS/ roll_call_lists/ roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00259
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June 13th, 2008 at 3:38 pmRightOfFistulae Says:
We cannot allow a repeat of the 9/11 attacks before we realize the threat that is brought to us by Islamic terrorism.
And one could counter that argument by saying, had President Bush and his administration paid more attention to Islamic terrorism, 9/11 would not have happened.
Or even one stop further:
June 13th, 2008 at 3:38 pmHad the courts not intervened with the 2000 presidential election, President Gore would not have allowed 9/11 to happen.
Minatour Says:
I got a good bonus pay for spreading GOP talking points on this website. Good bye everyone and
God Bless President George W Bush
June 13th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
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If the Islamofabulous Revolution is actually one of the GOP talking points this year, I’m really afraid.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:38 pmThe only threat that “Islamic terrorism” poses to our country is that our government will continue to undermine the Constitution in order to “protect” us.
I wonder if the troll ‘right_of_asswipe’ remembers that Bush was warned of the impending attack by Osama Been Forgotten? I wonder if the troll remembers the PDB explaining that Bin Laden was goint to attack the US? Why is this fact left out of the trolls rants? Bush allowed the attacks on your country as a means to hasten the neocon dream of a permanent GOP majority. Bush allowed the attack so he could abuse the office of President. Bush allowed the attacks to further his own political goals. Bush allowed the attacks on Your Country.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:39 pmI am done here. I did my job for the RNC. -MindSore
Im amazed they hire people who cant spell or write or even debate the talking points they are given. Guess you dont believe in what your saying.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:39 pmWayne A. Schneider Says
June 13th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
I just have to hear your explanation of how gay marriage is destroying America? Do I have time to get my popcorn first? This should be entertaining.
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You were right — it was most entertaining. Apparently, Minatour (dang, that really IS hard to misspell each time) believes that homosexuality is something inherently attractive and desirable (hmmm…that should tell us something about him), and the only thing keeping us from succumbing to its charms is banning it. Like gambling or alcohol, I guess. Anyway, if we legalize gay marriage, a gazillion people are going to abandon heterosexuality and become homosexuals, because that lifestyle is so attractive.
Now, in an effort to tie this all back to the topic at hand — if we try the Gitmo detainees instead of torturing them and/or letting them languish in their cells forever, is this part of the plan? Is their next sinister plot (that is, if we are foolish enough to let them out) to convert us all to homosexuality so they can take over? Wow — that’s truly shocking. What WERE the Supremes thinking?
June 13th, 2008 at 3:42 pmBush’s brain is the size of a half of a peanut… MacCaine’s is like a fish on a fish bow. That is, he goes around and around thinking “Wow!!! That is new!”.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:42 pm.
LOL everyone,
Minatart thinks marriage encourages behavior…
So why aren’t I straight…?
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June 13th, 2008 at 3:42 pmNo no no,StratRat.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:43 pmRemember, it was Clinton’s fault that 9/11 happened on Bush’s watch.
It was Clinton’s fault that the country started it’s recession in March ‘01
Clinton had nothing to do with the boon of the 90’s, as well as the decrease in crime and increase in jobs. It was all Congress.
All Clinton did was have the audacity to get consensual oral gratification from a young lady, and try to cover it up by misinterpreting the definition of sex, to protect his family.
Minitart is a PAID GOOPER TROLL…
June 13th, 2008 at 3:44 pmRightOfFistulae Says:
We cannot allow a repeat of the 9/11 attacks before we realize the threat that is brought to us by Islamic terrorism.
9/11 was a military operation, made in USA!
June 13th, 2008 at 3:44 pmAbout gay marriage: People who worry too much about other people’s sexuallity are not so sure of their own! If gay marriage becomes law. Straight people will continue to merriage, will continue to divorce and life will go on. Homosessuality has been with humans long before Christianism. And will be with humans forever. It is human! At leats gays are loving, while Chritofacism is hating!
June 13th, 2008 at 3:49 pmMinatour Says
June 13th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
I got a good bonus pay for spreading GOP talking points on this website.
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Wow — if the GOP is actually willing to pay for that blather, they’re certainly not getting their money’s worth. I wonder, how do paid trolls like Minatour get paid? Do they have to submit a transcript of what they posted? Like a printout before they get flagged and deleted? Does quality count? Or is it enough to just disrupt?
Normally, I flag disruptive posts, but this troll was so funny. Biggest laugh I’ve had all day.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:51 pmUnlike y’all, I’m taking Minatour’s (sic - or should that be sick?) eloguent praising of McCain (and how dare you critize him) as a parody of the conservative side. After all, it is so over the top.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:54 pmMCA of 2006 Senate Vote
Senators that voted to VIOLATE BASIC CONSTITUTIONAL TENANTS
Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Allen (R-VA)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burns (R-MT)
Burr (R-NC)
Carper (D-DE)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
DeWine (R-OH)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Frist (R-TN)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Santorum (R-PA)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-OR)
Specter (R-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Stevens (R-AK)
Sununu (R-NH)
Talent (R-MO)
Thomas (R-WY)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)
These Senators took an Oath of Office to Support and Defend the Constituton of the USA… They did NOT take an Oath to undermine it or attempt to usurp it… in essence, an act of TREASON.
TREASON:
1. the offense of acting to overthrow one’s government or to harm or kill its sovereign.
2. a violation of allegiance to one’s sovereign or to one’s state.
3. the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery.
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June 13th, 2008 at 3:54 pm703 Minatour…
June 13th, 2008 at 3:55 pmThe Iraq and Afegahnistan wars of choice of this criminal administration are destroying the US’s economy amongst many other things (The US’s Constitution and the rule of LAW, the US’s infraestructure, and its image on the International stage). How much did you pay for petrol in 2000, and how much are you paying now? How much the US dollar was worthed in 2000 and how much it is worthed mow? Plus, this criminal adiministration had plenty of time to create more jobs and reverse the ecenonomy trend, alledged by you, why they didn’t after all this time? Are you going to blame the previous adiministration? (PS. Clinton was a criminal too! He bombed the Balkans).
I have a dumb question — how do we know these guys are “enemy combatants” if we have no evidence to back that up? Are they at Gitmo because they just happen to look like they may be enemy combatants?
McCain seems to be convinced they are enemy combatants. What convinced him? Inquiring minds want to know.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:57 pmSenator Graham, and Senator Lieberman, and I…made it very clear that these are enemy combatants, these are people who are not citizens. They do not and never have been given the rights that citizens of this country have. [6/13/08]
So? Between Lindseed, TraitorMan and McIIIrd, the legal acumen of an acorn exists.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:58 pm.
LOL everybody,
Minitart finds some redeeming quality to TREASON.
Minitart supports undermining Basic Constitutional Principles
Minitart supports THEY(sic) who hate our FREEDOMS…
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June 13th, 2008 at 3:59 pmBush came in with a weak economy. He will go down as one of the greatest leaders ever. McCain too will go down as a great leader.
They can go down on each other for all I care, and I would support their right to do so.
June 13th, 2008 at 4:01 pm.
LOL everybody,
Minitart supports bumpersticker slogans…
(made in China with lead paint)
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June 13th, 2008 at 4:01 pmEnemy combatents? Terrorist? They are freedom fighters! They are fighting a terrorist state who has invaded them on false premises and are occupying their country. The very same way you (I hope you would!) would defend yours if you were invaded and occupyied on your own shores! The real terrorists are currently occupying the WH and the Pentagon. It was a military missil which hit the Pentagon on 9/11! Not a 757!
June 13th, 2008 at 4:02 pmMinatour Says:
sacopenapa,
The Economy was good from 2003-2007. Then when the Democrats came in they ruined the economy in 2007. They did this to hurt George Bush. But he’s agood Christian man. He’s turned the other cheek at your anger and hostility. God will reward his mercy!
June 13th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
Either you’re deliberately trying to be funny, or you are completely delusional. Either way, that is one funny thought you had there. BTW, what exactly is it about Bush that makes him a “good Christian man”? Please, explain that one in detail. Thank you.
June 13th, 2008 at 4:03 pmThe Economy was good from 2003-2007. Then when the Democrats came in they ruined the economy in 2007. They did this to hurt George Bush. But he’s agood Christian man. He’s turned the other cheek at your anger and hostility. God will reward his mercy!
June 13th, 2008 at 4:07 pmGood Christian men… he sniffs cocaine, create a Torture program, he spy own his own people, he abolishes Habeas Corpus, he is responsible for over one million of dead iraqui civilians and the displacement of another two millions… What a CHRISTIAN!!!!
Bush is not even a good lier!!!
June 13th, 2008 at 4:13 pmMinotaur,
If Jesus came back right now, just floated down out of the clouds, and met George W. Bush face to face, do you know what Jesus would do?
He would forgive GWB for all his transgressions (and they are many).
But he’d hesitate, that’s for damn sure.
June 13th, 2008 at 4:14 pmHe would forgive GWB for all his transgressions (and they are many).
But he’d hesitate, that’s for damn sure.
I can picture Jesus standing there for a moment, then taking a deep breath and exhaling through his nostrils before forgiving Bush.
June 13th, 2008 at 4:17 pmMinitart knows nothing about what “turning a cheek” means to an opponent. Contextually in Christ’s time, to turn the “other” cheek infers that you have been struck openhanded. To turn the “other” cheek is to expose yourself to that aggression by standing firm in your position allowing your opponent to have to BACK SLAP you. In Jewish tradition, to back slap a person is the lowest form of physical violence a person can do to another person.
June 13th, 2008 at 4:18 pmI’m not sure Jesus could forgive the chymp.. Maybe he’d call on his sister, the Flying Spaghetti Monster to do it for him.
June 13th, 2008 at 4:22 pmThe Founding Fathers thought that the writ of habeas corpus was so fundamental to liberty that they wrote it into the US Constitution, Article One, Section 9:
Think about that for a moment. The Founding Fathers wrote this basic right into our constitution.
And yet, Smirky the Chimp, John McSame, “Huckleberry” Graham, and four extreme court justices are unhappy that this basic right, this foundation of liberty, has been restored.
IMHO, these sorry apologists for tyranny and despotism could NOT be MORE out of touch with basic, American values.
June 13th, 2008 at 4:22 pmThe Economy was good from 2003-2007. Then when the Democrats came in they ruined the economy in 2007. -MindWhore
What an uniformed [ignorant] thing to believe. The economy began faltering when the sub-prime bubble burst well before 2007.
June 13th, 2008 at 4:26 pmAs much as it saddens me to have missed the Minotaur fun and games. Maybe it is best.
June 13th, 2008 at 4:30 pmregular joe ~
June 13th, 2008 at 4:31 pmGreat point. They value it so little, they are willing to surrender our basic freedoms because they are soooo scared of a ragtag bunch of religious lunatics.
dbadass, I too, came late to the party.
June 13th, 2008 at 4:31 pmAll I see around are used troll bashing clubs laying everywhere…?
I have bloody Minatour fur all over my screen. What’s up with that?
And why is it spelled wrong?
June 13th, 2008 at 4:34 pmI was wondering about that alternative spelling thing as well. Not a strong suit with these guys.
June 13th, 2008 at 4:43 pmdbadass Says:
I was wondering about that alternative spelling thing as well. Not a strong suit with these guys.
There was a troll who called itself Minotaur when I first visited TP, maybe a year ago. I suspect it’s changed the spelling in order to avoid a troll filter. It’s quite possibly the same individual, based on the vacuity of the comments and the constant troll-y repetition of baseless statements.
June 13th, 2008 at 4:55 pmWOW! All my posts were taken down. Anyone read them and can tell me what was wrong, other than I debated minitour/nicky?
June 13th, 2008 at 5:14 pmWell I wouldn’t have called it a debate. It seemed more like just a general dope slapping.
June 13th, 2008 at 5:39 pm