Kristol: McCain And Graham Plan To Introduce Legislation Undermining Supreme Court Decision On Guantanamo
Kristol: McCain And Graham Plan To Introduce Legislation Undermining Supreme Court Decision On Guantanamo
Last week, the Supreme Court ruled that Guantanamo Bay detainees have the right to challenge their detention in civilian courts. Sens. John McCain (R-AZ) and Lindsey Graham (R-SC) wasted no time in publicly blasting the decision, saying they were “disappointed” in “one of the worst decisions in the history of this country.”
This ruling will inevitably lead to a “flood of new litigation” challenging the Bush administration’s right to hold these detainees, only one of whom has received a verdict. Detainees will then finally get a decision as to their status.
Today on Fox News Sunday, Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol revealed that “very soon” — likely as early as next week — McCain and Graham will be introducing legislation to undermine the Supreme Court decision by setting up a “national security court”:
And I think you will see Senator Graham, accompanied by Senator McCain, come to the floor of the Senate very soon, like next week, and say, We cannot let chaos obtain here. We can’t let 200 different federal district judges on their own whim call this CIA agent here, say, ‘I don’t believe this soldier here who said this guy was doing this,’ you have to release someone,’ or, ‘Let’s build up — let’s compromise sources and methods with a bunch of trials. I mean, it’s ridiculous.
Watch it:
A national security court would envision a scenario “in which sitting federal judges would preside over proceedings in which prosecutors would make the case that a person should be detained.” But as Michael Hoffman and Ken Gude note in a paper for the Center for American Progress, this scenario is problematic and underestimates the U.S. criminal justice system:
Adopting a national security court system would send the United States down another unproven path prone to repeat the same mistakes. It would not further justice or American legitimacy. Rather, it would risk creating American courts that more resemble the tribunals of dictators than those of democracies. And that would be a strategic victory for Al Qaeda, not for Americans. […]
The criminal justice system, coupled with standard military trials when necessary, has and can further law enforcement, intelligence, and prevention efforts without undermining our fundamental liberties or our long-term efforts to combat terrorism. It is time to let it fully do that crucial work.
As ThinkProgress reported on Friday, at one time, McCain and Graham advocated a solution similar to the Supreme Court ruling. In 2003, they called on then-Defense Secretary Rumsfeld to “formally treat and process the detainees as war criminals or to return them to their countries for appropriate judicial action.” Clearly, things change when you’re running for a third Bush term.
Transcript:
KRISTOL: Then what does the federal judge do? Does he have an evidentiary hearing? Does he judge whether the CIA’s intelligence was correct, that their informant in Karachi was telling the truth, that the…
WALLACE: Yes. I mean, I think it’s clear that he does have a hearing.
KRISTOL: Does he call the CIA agent in, the CIA agent comes into court and says, I’ve got a…
WALLACE: Not the trial as to whether or not the person’s guilty, but whether or not they have right to detain him. […]
KRISTOL: This is totally uncharted waters. It’s utterly unmanageable. And I think what it means is Congress has to step in now and specify,
OK, if the court’s going to make us do this, we need to set up a system of a national security court that can handle these trials.
And this has been proposed by Andrew McCarthy, the former federal prosecutor who tried the blind sheik in New York and has a very good book out on the problems of trying to do this through the federal legal system.
Anyway, but you could do it. You could have a national security court. Senator Lindsey Graham is working on this.
And I think you will see Senator Graham, accompanied by Senator McCain, come to the floor of the Senate very soon, like next week, and say, We cannot let chaos obtain here. We can’t let 200 different federal district judges on their own whim call this CIA agent here, say, ‘I don’t believe this soldier here who said this guy was doing this,’ you have to release someone,’ or, ‘Let’s build up — let’s compromise sources and methods with a bunch of trials. I mean, it’s ridiculous.
So Congress has to act. Senator Graham and Senator McCain are going to insist on action. It will be interesting to see what Senator Obama’s response is if the serious legislative proposal is introduced to set up a way of doing this consistent with the Supreme Court decision.
WILLIAMS: Well, I’m glad to hear you say that, because I think what you’re saying is you’re agreeing basically with the 5-4 decision, because you’re saying there needs to be a structure, that you can’t simply hold people for an undetermined length.
And remember, this Guantanamo has been open six years — six years without resolving this. And they have only had plans to try — I think it’s 80 of the 270, and only 19 currently face any kind of court, have the opportunity to speak out and say, You know what? It wasn’t me that did it, or, I was caught in the wrong way.
And the military courts have said that occasionally they have swept up the wrong people. In fact, the named litigant in this case was someone who was taken from Bosnia, not from Iraq, not from Afghanistan. Bosnia. So he’s trying to make the case that he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
So when you say, OK, let’s have a national intelligence court, that’s fine with me. But it seems to me that you are confirming — you’re not agreeing with Brit Hume. You’re saying, in fact, we need a structure that gives people the opportunity to come before the courts and say that I have been detained illegally and wrongfully.
And that’s a good thing. That’s protecting America’s rights and liberties.
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June 15th, 2008 at 12:21 pmI don’t think we should be too hasty in criticizing McMuffin. After all, given his support for the war in Iraq, he knows a thing or two about “one of the worst decisions in the history of this country.”
June 15th, 2008 at 12:21 pmAs Cliff Schecter details in his book The Real McCain, Mr. Straight Talk offered anything but in lauding what Congress had done in the Military Commissions Act. On September 28, 2006, McCain declared Geneva had been preserved after all:
It’s no wonder the Washington Post took McCain to task in the fall of 2006 for his Orwellian double-speak:
For more details, see:
June 15th, 2008 at 12:22 pm“McCain’s Sins of Military Commission.”
Is there any issue McCain hasnt turned 180 on?
June 15th, 2008 at 12:23 pmAre they similar to the Gestapo Courts in Nazi Germany? Sounds like it to me. Maybe Kristolmeth could be its presiding Judge.
June 15th, 2008 at 12:23 pmWhy do McShrub and Lovely Lindsey hate the Constitution?
June 15th, 2008 at 12:24 pmMcCain and Graham will be introducing legislation to undermine the Supreme Court decision by setting up a “national security court”: “The Restore Lyndsey Graham to the Senate, Politically-Motivated Act of 2008.”
I love the smell of GOP panic in the morning. It smells… like victory.
June 15th, 2008 at 12:25 pmgalmud Says:
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Is there any issue McCain hasnt turned 180 on?
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Hey, are you bringing up McShrub’s age again? Heh.
June 15th, 2008 at 12:25 pmI believe he’s always been a dry-rub man, as far as barbecue is concerned. That hasn’t wavered.
That’s about it.
June 15th, 2008 at 12:28 pmThe afternoon’s good, as well.
June 15th, 2008 at 12:28 pmWell in 2005 McCain said hes 69 and now he flip flopped and hes 72 all of a sudden so yeah ;)
June 15th, 2008 at 12:30 pmgalmud Says:
Is there any issue McCain hasnt turned 180 on?
Laxatives.
June 15th, 2008 at 12:31 pmkristol, newtie, et al….all getting all the face time they can and will say anything to get people’s attention. Their time is limited and they know it. It’s all over for the contract on america crowd.
June 15th, 2008 at 12:32 pmA “flood of new litigation”…WTF?
They are actually arguing that those people can stay in jail forever because to do otherwise is just too much paperwork for the American legal system.
Wow, please tell me I’m wrong.
June 15th, 2008 at 12:32 pmThe twin Royalists, McCain and Bush, much prefer Kings and Dictators to rule us. Royalists McCain and Bush want to destroy our human rights, our Bill of Rights, of which Habeus Corpus is the fundamental underpinning of all of our other rights. They want to turn the clock back some 900 years, to before the time of the creation of the Magna Carta.
June 15th, 2008 at 12:32 pmThis ruling will inevitably lead to a “flood of new litigation” challenging the Bush administration’s right to hold these detainees, only one of whom has received a verdict. Detainees will then finally get a decision as to their status.
Perhaps the administration should have followed constitutional guidelines in dealing with the detainees in the first place, and not tried to claim that, because it wasn’t in the contintental US, Guantanamo wasn’t subject to any laws whatsoever.
And perhaps the Republicans in Congress should have followed constitutional guidelines when setting up and passing the Military Commissions Act in 2006.
These idiots act like it’s the Supreme Court’s fault that this whole clusterfu(k is unconstitutional.
June 15th, 2008 at 12:32 pmWm Kristol wants the government to have the right to detain someone for any reason whatsoever, claim he is a threat to national security, and then never have to go before a judge or jury and prove any of what they are saying about the person. That, in a nutshell, is what he thinks the government should be allowed to do. Every argument he gives for this view is unconstitutional. Every one of them.
Wm Kristol does not believe in our Constitutional form of government. Why is his opinion even being sought on legal matters?
June 15th, 2008 at 12:34 pmactually, mcBOOSH was more “level-headed” at first:
When reporters asked John McCain for his reaction a few hours later, he struck a disappointed note, but seemed pretty level-headed about the case. “[I]t is a decision that the Supreme Court has made,” McCain said. “Now we need to move forward. As you know I always favored closing Guantanamo Bay and I still think we ought to do that.”
June 15th, 2008 at 12:35 pmhttp://www.crooksandliars.com/ 2008/ 06/ 14/ mccain-sees-detainee-ruling-as-one-of-the-worst-in-the-history-of-this-country/
I wonder how it would feel to be the wife, or mother, or daughter of one of the innocent men caught up in this madness and sitting in these cages hoping finally for some kind of justice. I wonder how McCain’s and Lindsey’s “chaos” would sound in my ears then.
June 15th, 2008 at 12:35 pmFred Says:
kristol, newtie, et al….all getting all the face time they can and will say anything to get people’s attention. Their time is limited and they know it. It’s all over for the contract on america crowd.
Not as long as Rupert Murdock has two blond airheads to rub together — on air.
June 15th, 2008 at 12:36 pmKRISTOL: This is totally uncharted waters. It’s utterly unmanageable.
really? REALLY? i highly doubt that…
guy’s pissin’ on hisself!
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outside for me
June 15th, 2008 at 12:41 pmg’day…
I agree. I also agree with most Americans that corporations are out of control in this country and the winds of change they are a blowing…….
people speak loudly with theier pocketbooks…..read it and weep righties.
http://news.yahoo.com/ s/ ap/ 20080614/ ap_on_el_ho/ gop_woes
June 15th, 2008 at 12:42 pmWhy do repugs have to have special courts to deal with issues when a court reaches a judgment they don’t like? That would be like having holding a second election if their candidates don’t win the first round. Furthermore, since when was the Constitution so open for amending to satisfy political party whims…I thought amendments were suppose to be for the Nation and the people it serves.
June 15th, 2008 at 12:45 pmdamn, the reichwing isn’t wasting any time ginning up the fear. wanna bet there isn’t a bit of black ops planning underway…
June 15th, 2008 at 1:03 pmTahut Says:
Why do repugs have to have special courts to deal with issues when a court reaches a judgment they don’t like? That would be like having holding a second election if their candidates don’t win the first round. Furthermore, since when was the Constitution so open for amending to satisfy political party whims…I thought amendments were suppose to be for the Nation and the people it serves.
Exactly! It is what my kids used to call a : Do Over.
Sniff, Sniff …. Do I smell some SERIOUS NeoCon Repug flop sweat this morning? UMMMMM
June 15th, 2008 at 1:06 pmCan someone explain to me how this all squares with the whole “limited government” concept?
Why are Republicans so driven by fear?
June 15th, 2008 at 1:08 pmwoodguy Says:
Why do McShrub and Lovely Lindsey hate the Constitution?
They hate us because of our freedom.duh!
KRISTOL: This is totally uncharted waters. It’s utterly unmanageable.
Yeah the whole concept of habeas corpus, unheard of! Who does this kind of crazy thing? We can’t have all these people having rights, that’s just too much!
June 15th, 2008 at 1:10 pmOh, and by the way, I’ve stopped asking the question, “Why does anybody pay attention to what this man has to say?”
I still don’t have a good answer, but I’ve just accepted that the MSM will keep coming back to pundits who have been wrong about everything for half a decade, the same way that big-league ballclubs keep hiring the same managers who have failed to win elsewhere, because they’re, y’know… big-league managers.
June 15th, 2008 at 1:11 pmMcCain and Graham will be introducing legislation to undermine the Supreme Court decision by setting up a “national security court”
A “national security court?” What exactly does that mean and why would you trust their decisions more than you would the supreme court of the land? Unless of course it’s just another name for “kangaroo court.”
What does it say about a man who would be president when he has absolutely no respect for the highest court in this country. Clearly McCain is just as contemptous for the rule of law as Bush has been.
http://progressiveworldreview.com
June 15th, 2008 at 1:14 pmYou know what’s ridiculous, Kristol? That anyone should give a toss about what you think.
It was the Bush administration that created this mess and now that they are (FINALLY) reminded that there are laws to adhere to, they use the most asinine counter-argument: “The judicial cannot cope with the “flood” of trials”.
Ask him how many prisoners does the Bush administration have under custody? It’s a double edged sword, they’re screwed either way.
June 15th, 2008 at 1:19 pmWith the exception Bill Kristol I believe ALL human beings should be treated with dignity and respect no matter their race or religion.
June 15th, 2008 at 1:19 pmHitler had the same views on the dangers of ethnicity and basic human rights as Bill,demonizing yesterdays scapegoats (the Jews )for a war of imperialism. Despite being Jewish , with a very German sounding name Bill is willing to forget and impose the same legal ideas and fear mongering on those who he sees as different than himself .
Isn’t it convenient Bill that Israel’s neighbors happen to be sitting on the worlds largest supply of oil ?
Never again must apply to ALL people ! Oh and your favorite leader Bill , his grandfather ,Prescot, was a Nazi collaborator and also attempted to overthrow the US government .
I see Kristols lips moving…trying to cercomvent the law for personal gain…a very sick man.
June 15th, 2008 at 1:20 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
Can someone explain to me how this all squares with the whole “limited government” concept?
Why are Republicans so driven by fear?
The basic tenets of conservo-republicanism, like “limited government” and “fiscal responsibility” were merely a bill of goods, never meant to be delivered. Whenever “conservatives” got into power, they eventually embraced “big government,” and jettisoned their supposedly deeply-held beliefs, because the government behemoth also could do things they wanted done.
June 15th, 2008 at 1:20 pmInconvenient history ,Kristal nacht .Never forget.
June 15th, 2008 at 1:21 pmThese prisoners need to go back to their home countries. And if their countries won’t take them then they need to stay locked up. It’s the only solution imo.
OR, we could let them go in America and monitor them. 24 hours. A team of FBI per/person. Forever. Hell we might even get some good leads on Osama/Zawahiri by tracking these guys.
June 15th, 2008 at 1:29 pmDo Republicans sit around at night trying to figure out ways to circumvent our Constitition in order to start wars and then write new laws that take away the rights of the people, while giving more and more power to a war-mongering Executive Branch in order to keep Republicans in power? Iraqi forces didn’t attack America. American forces attacked Iraq. According to Wikipedia, fifteen of the nineteen terrorists who hijacked airplanes and attacked America on 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia. Two were from the UAE, one from Lebanon and one from Egypt. They weren’t from Iraq, Afghanistan or Iran. Invading Iraq was a wholly unjustified action for the purpose of keeping a Republican president in power through murder and destruction. It was not intended to protect Americans, it was intended to trick them into voting for George W. Bush. McCain and his cohorts are attempting to continue the Bush tradition of politics by murder.
June 15th, 2008 at 1:30 pmI hope no one is suggesting that our government would lie to us. After all, didn’t they tell us the truth when Jessica Lynch ripped the bumper off her humvee and used it as a club to beat back millions of attacking Al Qaeda hoards before she was overcome with a thermal nuclear device? Didn’t they tell us the truth when they said that Pat Tillman earned the Silver Star in a valiant fire fight with enemy forces which saved the lives of countless friendly forces?
June 15th, 2008 at 1:32 pmBased on what, Guido? On what authority? On what charge?
We have a nation of laws, or at least we’re supposed to. Those laws are not meant to be conveniently overlooked when a situation seems to call for it.
June 15th, 2008 at 1:39 pmThe arrogation of power is the central tenet of protoFascisti everywhere; these neocon morons are no different. This is why they love mandatory minimums - anything to take power away from a judge, an independent legal appointee, one of the cruxes of our system of governance, after all, and keep it in the hands of the bought who stay bought. Why does Billy Boy hate America?
June 15th, 2008 at 1:59 pm.
REMEMBER:
Bill KKKristol accepts a paycheck to hate America…
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June 15th, 2008 at 2:09 pmNational security court !!!…outside our court system..and with NeoCon agenda and judges.
June 15th, 2008 at 2:10 pmMay be we will have soon a new ’security court chief justice’ called Joe Lieberman.
Another Right wing attempt to dismantle whatever left of the Constitution.
No one wants the “bad guys” to get away with their crimes. But how can we call ourselves the “good guys” when we lock people up without the due process all criminals are subjected to? Why haven’t we just prosecuted and tried them if they are guilty? Since when is suspicion of a crime enough to lock someone up and throw away the key in America? And we’re not talking about trusting our judicial system or our judges, we’re talking about trusting the Bush administration whose lies and incompetent misjudgments have been repeatedly exposed for all to see. Believing in the honesty and judgments of the people who lied us into a phony war that has costs the lives of more than 100,000 innocent human beings isn’t just foolhardy, it’s criminally insane.
June 15th, 2008 at 2:10 pmOK introduce it. It gets referred to Leahy’s committee never to be heard from again. Happy boys?
June 15th, 2008 at 2:14 pmKristol doesn’t realize (or perhaps he does and is just being dishonest), that the Congress cannot just pass a law undoing a Supreme Court decision. You would have to amend the Constitution and take out the right of Habeus Corpus for foreign combatants not held on American soil.
June 15th, 2008 at 2:14 pmGood luck with that one, Senators.
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The Supreme COurt rulled for it’s THIRD time against the BushCo concerning Gitmo…
… U N C O N S T I T U T I O N A L …
… And KKKristol and Gingrich are upset about this, why exactly… ?
… Because nothing says America like a lawless usurping form of Government that seeks TYRANNY… NO?
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June 15th, 2008 at 2:16 pmAnd what kind of country we want to live in when Supreme Court decisions are trashed or undermined?!!
June 15th, 2008 at 2:19 pm.
I guess Bill KKKrisyol is right…
… IF we didn’t have Habeas Corpus Rights in the first place we wouldn’t have these sort of arguments. But then again, would we be America…?
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June 15th, 2008 at 2:20 pmWhat Kristol is saying is that if we ,the Right wing NeoCons, don’t like current Supreme Court’s decision..then we’ll create a new court of of our own.
June 15th, 2008 at 2:22 pmtarazan,
The Supreme Court ruled only because the Constitution WAS violated in the first place.
They ruled no man(president or vp) or body(congress) may undo basic tenants to our Constitution…
People can rant and rave about rulings being fair or not…
Just look at what they are arguing FOR…
… UN-AMERICAN PRINCIPLES and the USURPATION OF THE CONSTITUTION…
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June 15th, 2008 at 2:24 pmKristol: McCain And Graham Plan To Introduce Legislation Undermining Supreme Court Decision On Guantanamo
Why does McCain And Graham want to do away with Habeas corpus, rule of law? A bit dictator like isn’t it?
June 15th, 2008 at 2:24 pmAipac needs to be expunged from the American and Israeli political landscapes , they do not represent the wishes of the majority of Jews in either Israel or the US.and they will hurt the cause of Israel as badly as Neo conservativism has hurt America .
June 15th, 2008 at 2:27 pm“…let’s compromise sources and methods with a bunch of trials. I mean, it’s ridiculous.”
Anyone who believes that we’re still using the same methods and sources, after all this time, is clearly outside of the bubble. Bush says we’re constantly changing and adapting our stratagies and tactics, so any intel slippage would be stale.
June 15th, 2008 at 2:31 pmMcClatchy has an excellent report concerning the detainees at GITMO and a follow up on those who were released. It is eye opening. The government knew from the beginning that the great majority of these prisoners constituted very low level Taliban soldiers, civilians swept up in the turmoil of war and a few low level Al Qaida. With the exception of a handful (who actually came via other routes) hardly the treasure trove of monsters with extremely valuable intelligence. Indeed, over 550 have already been sent home with the pentagon alleging that a mere 30 of them may have returned to the fight (pentagon cannot give an actual list of who these are or define what “return to the fighting” really means) and those involved in the interrogation actually knew that the vast majority of these detainees had absolutely no intelligence value.
Yes, Kristol and the rest of the Brown Shirts and Gestapo will play up the fear card. We need the media to provide a factual response to these irrational propaganda tactics. But how do we do it?
June 15th, 2008 at 2:44 pmUSA PATRIOT Act
Homeland Security (sounds like an attempt at “Vaterland”)
NSA electronic surveillance program
Protect America Act
America has been riding the slippery slope of the degradation of our constitution since 9/11. And now a National Security Court? We are but a shadow of the America that our forefathers bled and died for.
June 15th, 2008 at 2:48 pmKristol Meth is the poster child of all that is wrong with America. He is a second generation NeoCon and a First generation Chickenhawk. His slime oozes all over the BushCo regime!
June 15th, 2008 at 2:49 pmTP, could you refrain from putting any more videos of Kristol on this site? I try as hard as I can to not watch his scumbag sneer, as it really upsets my digestive system, not to mention my anger management issues towards NeoCon Chickenhawks, who have never been right about anything they have said in their entire, worthless existence.
June 15th, 2008 at 3:06 pmI’m looking to see if the McNeoCon campaign has responded to Kristol’s rantings.
The mere fact that McCain believes that the Supreme Court’s decision was “one of the worst decisions in the history of this country” shows a disdain for constitutional protections (as does Scalia). It seems the GOP is becoming the party of government intrusion and the framers of repeal of constitutional protections.
June 15th, 2008 at 3:12 pmThe GOP screams in pain when rights are protected.
Kristol: McCain And Graham Plan To Introduce Legislation Undermining Supreme Court Decision On Guantanamo
Wasn’t McStupid one of the loudest (and most annoying as well as stupid , naturally) , voices that told everyone to “get over it” , regarding the SCOTUS’ 2000 presidential election ruling that was illogical , completely illegal as well as “non-precedent” setting ?
Guess Mr Potato Head believes the GOP can usurp court rulings on a whim alone…….
June 15th, 2008 at 3:30 pmWell, that will be the end of Senator McCain’s chance at the presidency if he does as Bill Kristol suggests. I really don’t think that McCain is that ignorant, is he?
June 15th, 2008 at 3:51 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
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Guido the Loving OBGYN Says:
These prisoners need to go back to their home countries. And if their countries won’t take them then they need to stay locked up. It’s the only solution imo.
Based on what, Guido? On what authority? On what charge?
We have a nation of laws, or at least we’re supposed to. Those laws are not meant to be conveniently overlooked when a situation seems to call for it.
Based on the catch-22 that if their countries of origin won’t take them why should they be allowed to roam our streets? Just sayin’. Remember, there are innocent in Gitmo. And the prevailing concern is that they have most like been radicalized. This calls for an extraordinary law that applies to them only while preserving our constitution. Remember also, every man, woman and child in America qualifies to be in Gitmo. The Supreme Court knows this. When they rule they are ruling for you and me, not the Gitmo detainees.
All I’m saying is the detainees need their own law. And it probably won’t be a law that you and I appreciate very much.
June 15th, 2008 at 3:52 pmCome to think of it IIRC McCain actually did flip-flop about his old age. A few years ago he said something like he thought he was too old and someone younger should run for president
June 15th, 2008 at 3:56 pmAl Quaeda killed about three thousand Americans. That’s a great tragedy but not a historic event. The US Constitution has survived much greater challenges.
The neocons are responsible for the deaths of somewhat more Americans, plus tens of thousands of maimed GIs and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilian deaths. If it were only this, the neocons would be mere third rate war criminals like Al Quaeda.
The difference is that the neocons have repeatedly undermined the US Constitution. This makes them not merely war criminals but the worst conspiracy of traitors in US history. Such traitors should be impeached, indicted, and prosecuted. Chickenhawk traitors have not earned the dignity of a firing squad. Upon conviction they should be hung.
June 15th, 2008 at 3:59 pmAnother nail for McSame’s Presidential coffin run for President. And I hope that Obama seize the opportunity on the campaign trial to express McSame’s opposition about the Supreme Court decision on Gitmo and the detainees’ human rights. If McSame wants to deny the detainees their rights [if he were President], Grampa can do same to the American people of their rights.
June 15th, 2008 at 4:57 pmKristol is a failed news puppet of the Right, with a running record for being WRONG. So why should this latest weasel whine be given any credence?
Bill follows a long line of family traitors and noted chickenhawks - a poster child for “family legacy” trumps ability. Can’t some “interviewer” ask for an explaination of his failure record??? (Kinda like McCain having Carley as an “Economic Advisor” . . . )
June 15th, 2008 at 4:58 pmthink about it people? this is fox news or as i fondly think of it faux news.
June 15th, 2008 at 5:42 pmIt is a direct line for the neocon agenda.
Bill the bloody cowardy idiot kristol was one of the signers of the letter to clinton trying to get him to do what bush has done.
They were wrong then and kristol and humus and the whole bunch are wrong again. They get paid to spout insane ideas and repeat over and over again until some of the brain dead bush supporting 25% believe it.
The money from the corporations have sure messed up America and helped creat unfeeling, uncaring, unintelligent, lying, greedy, back stabbing, fools like kristol, mcconnell, bush,chenny, and the list goes on and on!
The Supreme Court is the last word under our demeocracy. To start another court system will be met with more law suits (money to useless Regency U. grads like Monica Goodling) which the SCOTUS will reject. They have egos.
This sounds to me like as attempt to start a “Star Chamber”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Chamber these many centuries later!
Quoting:
“In modern usage, legal or administrative bodies with strict, arbitrary rulings and secretive proceedings are sometimes called, metaphorically or poetically, star chambers. This is a pejorative term and intended to cast doubt on the legitimacy of the proceedings. The inherent lack of objectivity of any politically motivated charges has led to substantial reforms in English law in most jurisdictions since that time.”
June 15th, 2008 at 5:58 pm#65 jnratliff,
Great point. I wish I could pound on the “Recommend” link over and over again until I pass out!!!
June 15th, 2008 at 6:00 pmI’m missing something here. I thought that the right to Habeas Corpus was a constitutional guarantee.
So a new law would be challenged on the same grounds. And a kangaroo court set up to bypass the constitution doesn’t pass the “smell test.” (I understand that pushing the challenges to the law would take 5 years to make it through the courts, though).
So what good does the law do other than showing who supports constructionist judges (in reality, the neocon judges) and who doesn’t
June 15th, 2008 at 6:52 pmUNCHARTED WATERS? THIS WAS IN THE STINKING MAGNA CARTA!!! What an idiot. The founders thought it was such a good idea they put it in the constitution.
June 15th, 2008 at 7:27 pmBring it on, you two stagnant holdovers from the Jurassic period!
June 15th, 2008 at 8:02 pmTry to get even 30 votes for it. No ONE is going to line up behind you in line for the electoral slaughterhouse.
Jebus, if the terrorists supposedly “hate us for our freedoms”…well, there ain’t so much freedom around here to hate anymore.
June 15th, 2008 at 10:55 pmA recent McClatchy article says that less than one percent of the Gitmo detainees has been charged with terrorism. Bush said they were ‘Scooped up on the battlefield.” Most of the detainees were sold out for ransom. Sounds more like Rumsfeld’s 9/12/01 memo “Sweep it all up. Things relevant and not”
June 15th, 2008 at 11:29 pmBut Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld say they are all the “worst of the worst”, so they must be. They wouldn’t lie to us, would they?
Maybe the point was to make them terrorists if they weren’t before capture. If I had been detained and tortured for years, I’d be looking for revenge.
Sounds like Huckleberry’s trying to run for Veep for McNasty.
McCain and Graham are engaged in political grandstanding. Only a Constitutional Amendment can alter the Constitution itself. Any other legislative effort will simply be stuck down by the Supreme Court.
June 16th, 2008 at 12:36 amdon’t know about anyone else but i had no idea what kristol was banging on about - he makes about as much sense as bush does when he sets about murdering the english language.
June 16th, 2008 at 3:37 amand any time kristol says “and i think….”,we know he’ll be 100% wrong….and still get paid.
I have a question for John McCain. Does he think he deserved the treatment he received in Vietnam? Does he think that we should act as his captors did in Vietnam?
June 16th, 2008 at 7:37 amIf memory serves us well, we did not hear a big hue and cry from Graham and McCain when the Supreme Court chose the President in 2000.
June 16th, 2008 at 8:09 amI propose we observe June 12 as a National Holiday. We could call it Constitution restoration day. The Supreme Court narrowly restored the constitution in a 4 to 5 vote as 2 of the 3 branches of government moved to destroy it.
Our constitution was narrowly preserved by from the tyranny of the 109th congress and of “president” George W Bush where by the Military Commissions Act of 2006 arbitrarily removed habeas corpus. Habeas Corpus has always and should remain a cornerstone of the US Constitution.
We should always remembering the 5 America hero’s who saved the constitution:
June 16th, 2008 at 9:04 amJustices Kennedy, Justice Stevens, Justice Souter, Justices Ginsburg, Justices Breyer.
Dumb Question: I can think of a lot of court decisions that prevent me from attaining wealth and actually take away things from me.
If so, does Newt’s doctrine say I can ignore them ?
June 16th, 2008 at 12:40 pmIs Brit Hume brain dead? He hardly speaks and when he does it’s unintelligible. No one expects Republicans to make sense, but shouldn’t he stay awake when he’s on the air?
June 17th, 2008 at 3:21 am