Comments on: Leading McCain VP Candidate Bobby Jindal Supports Creationism As Part Of ‘The Very Best Science’

By: J J

J J — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:27:35 +0000

Jindal “was a biology major in college”. Yet he believes, and wants to promote in science class, a book that says, among other things:

- that bats are birds (Lev. 11:13-19)
- that there is an entire class of 4-legged insects (Lev 11:20-23)
- that hares chew their cud (Lev. 11:6)

Sound like valid biology to you? Need a degree to verify its validity, or to debunk it?

If we’re to have students discussing the “strengths and weaknesses” of sources such as this, we might as well have them discussing the strengths and weaknesses of the position of the Flat Earth Society.

At the cost of time spent learning legitimate science, of course.

By: nancydrew1

nancydrew1 — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:08:52 +0000

The only thing that prevents me from praying that McCain pick this idiot is that, god forbid, McCain wins/steals the election and then dies.

By: Bozo The Neoclown

Bozo The Neoclown — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:03:03 +0000

If these freaks want to teach creationism in schools I say go right ahead. Teach it in a Literature class, not a Science class. Keep in mind repiggies, this would mean you would have to include other stories of creationist beliefs including Hindu, Native American, African.

By: Dr. Randy Goodman

Dr. Randy Goodman — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 05:47:16 +0000

As a Biochemist, an Atheist and an avid fan of Darwin, I find the idea of ID intriguing. We understand how basic and heavier elements were and are being formed. Complex molecules and even amino acids are formed within laboratories simulating Earth 3.5 billion years ago as we speak. The interesting part is how did a string of roughly 100,000 amino acids bind in such a way as to create the most basic of single cell organisms? The organisms have a cellular wall in order to protect themselves from the environment which in turn gives them the ability to evolve, absorb nutrients and to learn to reproduce itself. Beyond this all is scientifically explained. From single elements to the first single cell organism is what intrigues me the most.

By: Rufus J Squirrel

Rufus J Squirrel — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 04:12:35 +0000

Allow me to be super cheap:

I want every student to read Mein Kampf and listen to Tokyo Rose while being taught about WWII.

By: blue state bob

blue state bob — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 00:52:53 +0000

Just so you know, the rest of the world laughs at us and thinks we are a country filled with simpleton religious freaks.

I believe the same. WTF is wrong with people in this country, did all of your monms drink when they were pregnant and drop you on your collective heads?

By: wizard2000

wizard2000 — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 00:48:59 +0000

Another Bush “Mission Accomplished.”

In the last ten days, we learned that the Bush administration (Karl Rove) tried to blackmail the Democratic governor of Louisiana during Hurricane Katrina, Kathleen Blanco, into ceding control over her state’s national guard units (federalize them) by withholding federal disaster assistance from Louisiana and New Orleans during those critical days following Katrina’s landfall and the flooding of New Orleans when people were dying.

Not only did BushCo withhold this desperately-needed federal aid, but they (Karl Rove, Michael Chertoff, Donald Rumsfeld) also blocked anyone trying to help save the lives of Louisianans. Hundreds of “Good Samaritan” Louisianans with boats were turned away from New Orleans. Helicopters were ordered to stand down. Helicopter pilots flying out of Pensacola Florida must not have gotten the message. They flew dozens of rescue flights in New Orleans, but upon returning to their base in Florida, ended up getting reprimanded. Truck drivers carrying much-needed ice were routed away from New Orleans. Hundreds of buses requested by Gov. Blanco and promised by FEMA never made it into New Orleans.

And on top of this, BushCo (Karl Rove) waged a smear campaign against Gov. Blanco and the Democratic mayor of New Orleans, Nagin, while Louisianan citizens were dying in droves, because BushCo (Karl Rove) blocked any disaster (federal or otherwise) getting to them.

Get the picture? Obviously the good people in Louisiana did. They voted for this religious nut case Bobby Jindal to be their next governor, because the underlying message that BushCo (Karl Rove) sent to the good people of Louisiana was that if they voted for Democrats, then BushCo (Karl Rove) and the Republicans would do everything necessary, especially in case any further hurricanes hit Louisiana, to see that the good people in Louisiana and their children would die.

So, now Louisiana is a Red State, run by a wacky religious fundamentalist, with a slew of other wacky religious fundamentalists in the Louisiana legislature, who must believe that turning Louisiana into a hardcore religious training ground will somehow save them from the next “God-ordained” hurricane bearing down on them. Fools.

HEAVEN is a BLUE STATE, while
HELL is a RED STATE, or hasn’t anyone noticed?

By: Nevar

Nevar — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 00:32:09 +0000

The Flying Spaghetti Monster leaves a tangible trail of (cooked) tomato sauce for its followers.
No faith is required, simply a fork, a bib, and a container of Parmesan.

By: I. B. Leary

I. B. Leary — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 00:18:57 +0000

How the Flying Spaghetti Monster can be left out of this
subject is beyond me. really, it’s all faith, Right?

By: Nevar

Nevar — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:14:51 +0000

Maybe their creator is taking a nap.

By: dbadass

dbadass — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:08:52 +0000

Well my faith that this would bring out some of my favorite freaks has been shot to that imagined hell…

By: Nevar

Nevar — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:07:04 +0000

Makes we wonder if they know things we don’t know, like Roswell, etc……

By: hussein toasterhead

hussein toasterhead — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:58:33 +0000

Nevar Says:

So true toasterhead. Sometimes I think it is the corporate elite who believe they can survive on this planet with superior technology, and escape into space if they have to.
In their minds, the planet, and all its creatures, is expendable towards that end.

June 16th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
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Ah yes. They dream of buildng the arcologies of SimCity 3000.

By: Nevar

Nevar — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:42:36 +0000

And that scenario is Darwinism taken to it’s full extent. Survival of the fittest. Or at least the strongest….

By: Nevar

Nevar — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:39:59 +0000

By: hussein toasterhead

hussein toasterhead — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:34:00 +0000

Nevar Says:

What we have witnessed in the last 1,000 years is truly scary, where humans have reached the tipping point of being able to totally destroy not only themselves, but the whole planet as well.

June 16th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
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It is scary. But on the flip side, we have also reached the tipping point of being able to save ourselves and the planet from extinction. Unlike other species that preceded us, we have the capability to respond to and prevent events such as changes in climate (either natural or anthropoegenic) or asteroid/comet collisions that would in the past have caused mass extinctions.

By: RUCerious

RUCerious — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:31:47 +0000

Nevar says:

Again, direct knowledge of (god) would replace both the notion of faith, and religion.

Yes, but you’d have to understand the math.

That rules out most trolls, and at least the 28%ers.

By: hussein toasterhead

hussein toasterhead — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:28:14 +0000

octamethyl Says:

WANTING something to be true does not make it true. Sensible people tend to weigh evidence rather than dismiss it.
If creationism is true, then there is no choice but to believe that fossils were planted in the ground by aliens.

June 16th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
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And this is, in a nutshell, the difference between creationism and science.

Science starts with a question, proposes a hypothetical answer to the question, and uses experimentation to test this hypothesis.

Creationism starts with an answer, proposes hypothetical methods to get from known facts to this answer, and uses experimentation to prove that the answer was right all along.

By: Nevar

Nevar — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:27:20 +0000

I would say at best human beings have been trying to figure out the whys and wherefores of their existence for perhaps 100,000 years. Up to that point it was simply eat, or be eaten.
For about 90,000 years of that social development the greatest task was to not only survive the natural world, but also defend yourself from Og and his tribe who would steal your food if they could.
Only in the last 10,000 years have humans been able to develop agriculture, permanent habitations, and written language which made organized religion, and therefore control of larger populations possible.
This has also led to advancement of weapons and empires.
What we have witnessed in the last 1,000 years is truly scary, where humans have reached the tipping point of being able to totally destroy not only themselves, but the whole planet as well.

By: LibertyLover

LibertyLover — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:20:36 +0000

Y’know, facts tend to be observable. Like certain aspects of Evolution.

Faith? not so much. Much more Touchy Feely… Like Intelligent design.