Comments on: Creators of ‘The Sock Obama’ toy plan to move forward with production. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/creators-of-the-sock-obama-toy-plan-to-go-ahead-with-production/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 04:14:05 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: ucsbclassics53 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/creators-of-the-sock-obama-toy-plan-to-go-ahead-with-production/comment-page-2/#comment-5031110 ucsbclassics53 Wed, 18 Jun 2008 21:01:28 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/creators-of-the-sock-obama-toy-plan-to-go-ahead-with-production/#comment-5031110 As political historians <a href="http://racerelations.about.com/b/2008/06/04/clinton-mccain-and-racial-resentment.htm" rel="nofollow">Raymond Tatalovich</a> and Byron W. Daynes write (Moral Controversies in American Politics: Cases in Social Regulatory Policy, p. 64): <em> Affirmative action has been used by Republicans for three decades to try to splinter the Democratic base of women, minorities, and working-class white males. The Nixon administration sought to pit white workers against black recipients of affirmative action, and peel off the angry white males from the Democratic Party and encourage them to vote Republican. The strategy was successful in the 1972 presidential election, and much more so in appealing to the "Reagan Democrats." By the 1980s Republicans could run against the programs they had created in order to appeal to the white working class.</em> As political historians Raymond Tatalovich and Byron W. Daynes write (Moral Controversies in American Politics: Cases in Social Regulatory Policy, p. 64):

Affirmative action has been used by Republicans for three decades to try to splinter the Democratic base of women, minorities, and working-class white males. The Nixon administration sought to pit white workers against black recipients of affirmative action, and peel off the angry white males from the Democratic Party and encourage them to vote Republican. The strategy was successful in the 1972 presidential election, and much more so in appealing to the “Reagan Democrats.” By the 1980s Republicans could run against the programs they had created in order to appeal to the white working class.

]]> By: ucsbclassics53 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/creators-of-the-sock-obama-toy-plan-to-go-ahead-with-production/comment-page-2/#comment-5031094 ucsbclassics53 Wed, 18 Jun 2008 20:56:19 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/creators-of-the-sock-obama-toy-plan-to-go-ahead-with-production/#comment-5031094 but your argument about Republicans not caring about race rings hollow when the Republicans have used affirmative action to stir up resentment in whites THROUGH <a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=4&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mndaily.com%2Farticle.php%3Fid%3D5212%26year%3D2002&ei=QHZZSIbMCJGqsAPYxK2ZCA&usg=AFQjCNH_FBwpOSdhn4gi12sa4M_qxwnI7A&sig2=G6GWe5Dzf-tqVob7H7v7GQ" rel="nofollow">bake sales</a>... but your argument about Republicans not caring about race rings hollow when the Republicans have used affirmative action to stir up resentment in whites THROUGH bake sales…

]]> By: ucsbclassics53 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/creators-of-the-sock-obama-toy-plan-to-go-ahead-with-production/comment-page-2/#comment-5031070 ucsbclassics53 Wed, 18 Jun 2008 20:48:27 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/creators-of-the-sock-obama-toy-plan-to-go-ahead-with-production/#comment-5031070 you are right, pmvark, that the Republicans deserve a lot of the credit for advancing civil rights, but their actions today are a shameful retreat from those principles... you are right, pmvark, that the Republicans deserve a lot of the credit for advancing civil rights, but their actions today are a shameful retreat from those principles…

]]> By: ucsbclassics53 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/creators-of-the-sock-obama-toy-plan-to-go-ahead-with-production/comment-page-2/#comment-5031066 ucsbclassics53 Wed, 18 Jun 2008 20:47:12 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/creators-of-the-sock-obama-toy-plan-to-go-ahead-with-production/#comment-5031066 yes, and it's too bad Republicans don't return to their glorious roots when it comes to race...If we only had the Radical Republicans of the <strong>1860s</strong> today...we would be so much better off...if we had the principled Republicans of the <strong>1960s</strong> who made the Civil Rights legislation possible, we would be so much better off... As I said, no party is perfect on race, but I GUESS you're returning to the old Republican canard of if a Democrat does it, then our same actions are excused... o btw, I take it you'll be condemning legacy programs as well...or the rich white man's affirmative action? I believe Bush benefited greatly from it... yes, and it’s too bad Republicans don’t return to their glorious roots when it comes to race…If we only had the Radical Republicans of the 1860s today…we would be so much better off…if we had the principled Republicans of the 1960s who made the Civil Rights legislation possible, we would be so much better off…

As I said, no party is perfect on race, but I GUESS you’re returning to the old Republican canard of if a Democrat does it, then our same actions are excused…

o btw, I take it you’ll be condemning legacy programs as well…or the rich white man’s affirmative action? I believe Bush benefited greatly from it…

]]> By: ucsbclassics53 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/creators-of-the-sock-obama-toy-plan-to-go-ahead-with-production/comment-page-2/#comment-5031042 ucsbclassics53 Wed, 18 Jun 2008 20:39:54 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/creators-of-the-sock-obama-toy-plan-to-go-ahead-with-production/#comment-5031042 <em>Republicans generally do not care about race. Their believe is that if you do a job better than everyone else, then you deserve to have that job. Contrary to what the democrats will have you believe, it is a merit based party, simple as that.</em> Funny, I thought the Republicans were instead of a merit based party, a cronyism based party, as evidenced by Bush's appointments such as the horse judge to FEMA with no disaster-management experience and countless others... Republicans generally do not care about race. Their believe is that if you do a job better than everyone else, then you deserve to have that job. Contrary to what the democrats will have you believe, it is a merit based party, simple as that.

Funny, I thought the Republicans were instead of a merit based party, a cronyism based party, as evidenced by Bush’s appointments such as the horse judge to FEMA with no disaster-management experience and countless others…

]]> By: ucsbclassics53 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/creators-of-the-sock-obama-toy-plan-to-go-ahead-with-production/comment-page-2/#comment-5031038 ucsbclassics53 Wed, 18 Jun 2008 20:38:33 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/creators-of-the-sock-obama-toy-plan-to-go-ahead-with-production/#comment-5031038 The Southern Democrats were attracted by Nixon's use of the Southern Strategy and it showed when they migrated en-masse to the republican party. There is a reason why the Republican Party dominates the South as it does and there is no reason to believe that the GOP is pure when it comes to race. The Southern Democrats were attracted by Nixon’s use of the Southern Strategy and it showed when they migrated en-masse to the republican party. There is a reason why the Republican Party dominates the South as it does and there is no reason to believe that the GOP is pure when it comes to race.

]]> By: ucsbclassics53 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/creators-of-the-sock-obama-toy-plan-to-go-ahead-with-production/comment-page-2/#comment-5031032 ucsbclassics53 Wed, 18 Jun 2008 20:36:09 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/creators-of-the-sock-obama-toy-plan-to-go-ahead-with-production/#comment-5031032 You talk about ancient history. The Republicans may have been instrumental in passing the Civil Rights legislation of the 60s, but where did the Southern Democrats or Dixiecrats if you will migrate to? That's right, the Republican Party. No party is perfect when it comes to race, but when it comes to using race-baiting, the Republicans have replaced the Democrats as the party who will resort to it. You talk about ancient history. The Republicans may have been instrumental in passing the Civil Rights legislation of the 60s, but where did the Southern Democrats or Dixiecrats if you will migrate to? That’s right, the Republican Party. No party is perfect when it comes to race, but when it comes to using race-baiting, the Republicans have replaced the Democrats as the party who will resort to it.

]]> By: ucsbclassics53 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/creators-of-the-sock-obama-toy-plan-to-go-ahead-with-production/comment-page-2/#comment-5031030 ucsbclassics53 Wed, 18 Jun 2008 20:35:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/creators-of-the-sock-obama-toy-plan-to-go-ahead-with-production/#comment-5031030 The myth of affirmative action is that African-American students with D or F averages are admitted before white students with A averages. That is clearly not the case. The system looks at those with equal merits and then takes the minority. Sure, it might seem unfair, but it's hardly the black and white issue you suggest it is. The myth of affirmative action is that African-American students with D or F averages are admitted before white students with A averages. That is clearly not the case. The system looks at those with equal merits and then takes the minority. Sure, it might seem unfair, but it’s hardly the black and white issue you suggest it is.

]]> By: ucsbclassics53 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/creators-of-the-sock-obama-toy-plan-to-go-ahead-with-production/comment-page-2/#comment-5030878 ucsbclassics53 Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:49:55 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/creators-of-the-sock-obama-toy-plan-to-go-ahead-with-production/#comment-5030878 and bartie, the thing is the First Ladies to be are both not being served well by the sexism of the media. Why are they talking about recipes and such when they could be talking about policy and what they could bring to the White House? Why is it that they're only talking about what to cook and what are their favorite recipes? it is insulting to both Michelle Obama and Cindy McCain... and bartie, the thing is the First Ladies to be are both not being served well by the sexism of the media. Why are they talking about recipes and such when they could be talking about policy and what they could bring to the White House? Why is it that they’re only talking about what to cook and what are their favorite recipes? it is insulting to both Michelle Obama and Cindy McCain…

]]> By: ucsbclassics53 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/creators-of-the-sock-obama-toy-plan-to-go-ahead-with-production/comment-page-2/#comment-5030838 ucsbclassics53 Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:38:32 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/creators-of-the-sock-obama-toy-plan-to-go-ahead-with-production/#comment-5030838 fOLKS like RePUBLICAN strategists work tirelessly to keep race at the forefront for the electoral cycle. If they don't then they might lose Southern white voters who might vote for their economic interests if it weren't for the race card and the Southern Strategy... Funny how it's okay for the GOP and their allies to play the race card with their <a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/gop-convention-button-asks-if-obama-is-presidentwill-we-still-call-it-the-white-house/#comments" rel="nofollow">pins</a> and covertly <a href="http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0oGkjMSZFlIk_AAQVxXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTBydHRjbmRzBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMwRjb2xvA3NrMQR2dGlkAw--/SIG=11p6k49t1/EXP=1213904274/**http%3a//www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15418962/" rel="nofollow">racist ads</a> but when we cry out about racism, then we're the ones playing the race card... fOLKS like RePUBLICAN strategists work tirelessly to keep race at the forefront for the electoral cycle. If they don’t then they might lose Southern white voters who might vote for their economic interests if it weren’t for the race card and the Southern Strategy…

Funny how it’s okay for the GOP and their allies to play the race card with their pins and covertly racist ads but when we cry out about racism, then we’re the ones playing the race card…

]]> By: ucsbclassics53 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/creators-of-the-sock-obama-toy-plan-to-go-ahead-with-production/comment-page-2/#comment-5030666 ucsbclassics53 Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:58:21 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/creators-of-the-sock-obama-toy-plan-to-go-ahead-with-production/#comment-5030666 bartie, that was excellently written, but instead of trying to compare whose oppression is more legitimate, how about we all bond to strike back at the forces of oppression? Sexism, racism, homophobia deserve to be stamped out but those who oppress us with those canards WANT us to be divided, want us to accuse the other of playing the victim card so that divided we will fall. There are those who want to take away the rights that women and African-Americans have fought SO hard and died to achieve, but if we stand divided, they will have a better chance at doing so. This campaign is not only historic in that a woman and an African-American man fought a highly contested race for the Democratic Party nomination, but the sexism and racism have reached historic proportions. You have seen the NUTCRACKER doll, right? It's just as offensive, but those on the right feed off sexism and racism to convince themselves that they truly are the victims and that our concerns are only instances of playing the gender or race card. Imho, that's how the right stamps out any legitimate talk of dealing with sexism and racism by accusing us of playing victim. They WANT us to be convinced that racism and sexism is of the past and that these nutcracker or Obama dolls are nothing but light-hearted attempts at humor. Notice that they always tell us to GET over it... bartie, that was excellently written, but instead of trying to compare whose oppression is more legitimate, how about we all bond to strike back at the forces of oppression? Sexism, racism, homophobia deserve to be stamped out but those who oppress us with those canards WANT us to be divided, want us to accuse the other of playing the victim card so that divided we will fall. There are those who want to take away the rights that women and African-Americans have fought SO hard and died to achieve, but if we stand divided, they will have a better chance at doing so. This campaign is not only historic in that a woman and an African-American man fought a highly contested race for the Democratic Party nomination, but the sexism and racism have reached historic proportions. You have seen the NUTCRACKER doll, right? It’s just as offensive, but those on the right feed off sexism and racism to convince themselves that they truly are the victims and that our concerns are only instances of playing the gender or race card. Imho, that’s how the right stamps out any legitimate talk of dealing with sexism and racism by accusing us of playing victim. They WANT us to be convinced that racism and sexism is of the past and that these nutcracker or Obama dolls are nothing but light-hearted attempts at humor.

Notice that they always tell us to GET over it…

]]> By: Bartie http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/creators-of-the-sock-obama-toy-plan-to-go-ahead-with-production/comment-page-2/#comment-5029510 Bartie Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:55:37 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/creators-of-the-sock-obama-toy-plan-to-go-ahead-with-production/#comment-5029510 ucsbclassics53, I wonder if Obama becomes president, if every time the public doesn't agree with one of his policies, if he will whine about the race card!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ucsbclassics53, I wonder if Obama becomes president, if every time the public doesn’t agree with one of his policies, if he will whine about the race card!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

]]> By: Bartie http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/creators-of-the-sock-obama-toy-plan-to-go-ahead-with-production/comment-page-2/#comment-5029502 Bartie Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:54:34 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/creators-of-the-sock-obama-toy-plan-to-go-ahead-with-production/#comment-5029502 But it is OK to make fun of people with light color hair, it is PC. Makes me SICK! No one should be made fun of because of the color of the hair or skin! But it is OK to make fun of people with light color hair, it is PC. Makes me SICK! No one should be made fun of because of the color of the hair or skin!

]]> By: Bartie http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/creators-of-the-sock-obama-toy-plan-to-go-ahead-with-production/comment-page-2/#comment-5029500 Bartie Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:53:45 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/creators-of-the-sock-obama-toy-plan-to-go-ahead-with-production/#comment-5029500 I am blonde, so are my husband, father in law, father, daughter, mother. I HATE blonde jokes. We were out the other night and the girl at the cash register couldn't figure out that my daughter is 25, by looking at her ID. She looked at us and said "I don't do math. Yall are blonde, you understand!" Well my blonde husband is a very smart successful CHEMICAL ENGINEER for 35 years. My daughter is a HydroGeologist. She said "I wanted to say I MADE A B IN DIFFERENTIAL EQUATIONS!" It is horrible to assume that all blondes are dumb, or that all redheads have bad tempers, or that all people with brown eyes are dumb" I am blonde, so are my husband, father in law, father, daughter, mother. I HATE blonde jokes. We were out the other night and the girl at the cash register couldn’t figure out that my daughter is 25, by looking at her ID. She looked at us and said “I don’t do math. Yall are blonde, you understand!” Well my blonde husband is a very smart successful CHEMICAL ENGINEER for 35 years. My daughter is a HydroGeologist. She said “I wanted to say I MADE A B IN DIFFERENTIAL EQUATIONS!” It is horrible to assume that all blondes are dumb, or that all redheads have bad tempers, or that all people with brown eyes are dumb”

]]> By: drakkoth http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/creators-of-the-sock-obama-toy-plan-to-go-ahead-with-production/comment-page-2/#comment-5029230 drakkoth Wed, 18 Jun 2008 05:50:48 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/creators-of-the-sock-obama-toy-plan-to-go-ahead-with-production/#comment-5029230 What's funny about all this is the fact that every little thing that pisses of the black community is deemed racist. Have sum fukin cheese to go with the wine and git over it. What’s funny about all this is the fact that every little thing that pisses of the black community is deemed racist. Have sum fukin cheese to go with the wine and git over it.

]]> By: ucsbclassics53 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/creators-of-the-sock-obama-toy-plan-to-go-ahead-with-production/comment-page-2/#comment-5029226 ucsbclassics53 Wed, 18 Jun 2008 05:39:13 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/creators-of-the-sock-obama-toy-plan-to-go-ahead-with-production/#comment-5029226 Sorry, stefan. I should have read the comment more carefully. it's been a long day... Sorry, stefan. I should have read the comment more carefully. it’s been a long day…

]]> By: ucsbclassics53 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/creators-of-the-sock-obama-toy-plan-to-go-ahead-with-production/comment-page-2/#comment-5029224 ucsbclassics53 Wed, 18 Jun 2008 05:36:54 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/creators-of-the-sock-obama-toy-plan-to-go-ahead-with-production/#comment-5029224 oops, sorry, I'm not sure your comment was meant for me?... oops, sorry, I’m not sure your comment was meant for me?…

]]> By: ucsbclassics53 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/creators-of-the-sock-obama-toy-plan-to-go-ahead-with-production/comment-page-2/#comment-5029222 ucsbclassics53 Wed, 18 Jun 2008 05:35:35 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/creators-of-the-sock-obama-toy-plan-to-go-ahead-with-production/#comment-5029222 One thing I love about the Liberals such as these is that they use race as leverage to try and win arguments usually at the expense of dividing the country even more. Sad Sad Sad. Such ignorance!! Funny to hear that coming from a person whose screenname evokes a racist stereotype... you can't argue with history and facts, but I forgot. You're a conservative or a right-winger. You have been oppressed by the liberal bias of history and facts... There was a scientific movement in the 19th century that sought to "prove" the "inferiority" of the AFrican by comparing their skulls to yes, that of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_science" rel="nofollow">monkeys</a>... and stefan, what about my comment which was obvious sarcasm was idiotic to you? That we should ignore the racism that pervades our society? You are the ones who would like to brush it under our rug while pretending that it doesn't exist in the country...The people on the right are the same...always blaming people for getting offended and not doing anything about it. One thing I love about the Liberals such as these is that they use race as leverage to try and win arguments usually at the expense of dividing the country even more. Sad Sad Sad. Such ignorance!!

Funny to hear that coming from a person whose screenname evokes a racist stereotype…

you can’t argue with history and facts, but I forgot. You’re a conservative or a right-winger. You have been oppressed by the liberal bias of history and facts…

There was a scientific movement in the 19th century that sought to “prove” the “inferiority” of the AFrican by comparing their skulls to yes, that of monkeys…

and stefan, what about my comment which was obvious sarcasm was idiotic to you?

That we should ignore the racism that pervades our society? You are the ones who would like to brush it under our rug while pretending that it doesn’t exist in the country…The people on the right are the same…always blaming people for getting offended and not doing anything about it.

]]> By: ScaryBrownHusseinChick (ThinkOutsideTheBush) http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/creators-of-the-sock-obama-toy-plan-to-go-ahead-with-production/comment-page-2/#comment-5028708 ScaryBrownHusseinChick (ThinkOutsideTheBush) Tue, 17 Jun 2008 22:52:17 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/creators-of-the-sock-obama-toy-plan-to-go-ahead-with-production/#comment-5028708 A McChimpy doll won't be the same thing. It's really hard to slam the White race in the same way. They've generally always been the ones in power. A McChimpy doll won’t be the same thing. It’s really hard to slam the White race in the same way. They’ve generally always been the ones in power.

]]> By: ctalk http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/creators-of-the-sock-obama-toy-plan-to-go-ahead-with-production/comment-page-2/#comment-5028164 ctalk Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:25:47 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/creators-of-the-sock-obama-toy-plan-to-go-ahead-with-production/#comment-5028164 Well they should go ahead and make a McChimpy doll complete with big ears and a tail to match to be fair. Well they should go ahead and make a McChimpy doll complete with big ears and a tail to match to be fair.

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