Hume Twists Quote From Obama’s Half-Brother, Claims He ‘Is Not So Sure’ Obama Is A Christian
Hume Twists Quote From Obama’s Half-Brother, Claims He ‘Is Not So Sure’ Obama Is A Christian
Last week, Sen. Barack Obama’s (D-IL) presidential campaign launched a new website — dubbed “Fight The Smears” — dedicated to debunking false rumors about the candidate, his wife, and his family. A spokesman said, “The Obama campaign isn’t going to let dishonest smears spread across the Internet unanswered.”
But it seems the Obama campaign is going to have to expand this particular operation beyond the Internet and include Fox News. Last night on Special Report, Brit Hume noted the fact that Obama “is a practicing Christian,” but citing a recent article in the Jerusalem Post, Hume then claimed that Obama’s half-brother “is not so sure”:
HUME: Barack Obama is a practicing Christian, married in a Christian church whose children were also baptized in that church. His campaign has emphasized his faith in part to dispel what the campaign calls an on-line smear campaign which contends among other things that Obama was raised a Muslim. There is even a statement on his official campaign Web site reading, “Obama has never been a Muslim and is a committed Christian.”
But Obama’s half brother is not so sure. Malik Obama tells The Jerusalem Post that, “if elected his brother will be a good president for the Jewish people, despite his Muslim background.”
Watch it:
In fact, Obama does indeed have a “Muslim background,” but that in no way makes him a Muslim — a point he emphasized last year on the campaign trail when he was asked “to explain his Muslim heritage”:
“My father was from Kenya,” he said, “and a lot of people in his village were Muslim. He didn’t practice Islam. Truth is he wasn’t very religious. He met my mother. My mother was a Christian from Kansas, and they married and then divorced. I was raised by my mother. So, I’ve always been a Christian. The only connection I’ve had to Islam is that my grandfather on my father’s side came from that country. But I’ve never practiced Islam.”
It is currently unclear to what Malik Obama’s “Muslim background” quote is referring (for example, Obama’s family history or perhaps his time living in Indonesia). The Post article Hume referenced is no longer available online and it does not appear on the LexisNexis database.
Regardless, Hume’s interpretation of Malik Obama’s quote is false or misleading at best.
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Those “Foxperts” are working overtime, aren’t they?
They’ve had to issue apologies to Obama three times in the past two weeks, and now this?
They must not think they can compete on the issues.
June 17th, 2008 at 3:08 pmwow, first comment of the thread and it’s been removed. Must have been a fun one.
June 17th, 2008 at 3:08 pmHey…there’s another rumor going around. Get this; Obama has fathered TWO black children.
I know, scary, huh?
June 17th, 2008 at 3:08 pmok guess not, just took a second…
June 17th, 2008 at 3:09 pmThe Post article Hume referenced is no longer available online and it does not appear on the LexisNexis database.
So? It only needed to be up long enough for Hume and FAUX News to be able to cite it as part of their bigoted smear campaign. I’m sure Brit called the Post after his TV appearance and gave them the “OK, we’re done. You can take it down now” order.
Perfesshinul jurnilizm at it’s best!
June 17th, 2008 at 3:10 pmAnd did you hear that his middle name is Hussein? (can’t let that one die, it’s too funny).
Does anyone remember a troll posting about Obama’s middle name and how it was inconsiderate of him, with regards to families of our fallen soldiers, to run for President because of his middle and last names? That he would open wounds for them because of what his last name sounds like and what his middle name is?
Jeebus these people be pathetic and crazy.
June 17th, 2008 at 3:10 pmAnd you know what will NEVER happen? Fox actually INTERVIEWING (let alone without turning into an attack job on Malik himself) Obama’s half-brother about his statement.
Never.
June 17th, 2008 at 3:12 pmI think the Daily Show handled the Republican “Baracknophobia” quite well. They’re going to go out of their way to find things to smear Obama with. It’s just going to be up to us (and what professional journalists are left out there) to make sure the truth gets out.
June 17th, 2008 at 3:13 pmFBC: Fox Bigot Channel.
Do these people stay awake at night scared of everything?
Muslims! Gays! Liberals! Healthcare! Taxes! Habeus Corpus! Honesty! Alternative Energy! The Truth! Oh Noes!!!
Idiots.
June 17th, 2008 at 3:23 pmBrit Hume is not only a LIAR, but he’s also a COWARD RACIST! He sits in his little and I mean little ivory tower at the cess pool called Fox News at spread lie that he knows are not true in the name of journalism. Brit Hume has no honor and is beneath contempt. Not only that he’s a rotten excuse for a human being. He uses his NAZI logic to explain telling lies about Sen. Obama that aren’t even close to the truth. Brit ahs sold his soul to that devil Rupert for 20 million pieces of silver and he will pay for it when he goes to hell.
This low down RACIST PIG will suffer in hell and wonder why he ended up there. Well Brit I can tell you that telling lie about a man based on race and hating people because of race will get you that ONEWAY ticket to hell that you deserve, you low life scum. They need to round up all of you low life scum sucking cowards and send you to Iraq to fight those low life scum sucking terrorists that you are so much like. You claim to hate them but you and them are brothers in hate. I hope you read my post you sub human scum bucket bum. I hope your mother is proud of the racist coward she produced, I’m sure she taught you every thing you believe.
June 17th, 2008 at 3:23 pmHume says they’re wearing “Muslim” dress. WTF is “Muslim dress”? WTF is Jesus Christ Church of Latter Day Saints Dress? WTF is Sikh dress? There is no such thing. He was dressed in traditional African garb. Racist mf.
June 17th, 2008 at 3:24 pmIn a way Mr. Obama should be flattered. He inspires such fear in these small, petty men that they rush to attack him in the pettiest and meanest way they can. It’s my great hope that we, as a nation can rise up and remember these words of a Great American, Edward R. Murrow:
June 17th, 2008 at 3:25 pmWe will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven into an age of unreason if we dig into our history and remember we are not descended from fearful men.
Impeach Pelosi, Bush and Cheny. Restore Justice to America.
Swiftboating, plain and simple…at least for the plain and simple minded sheeple.
June 17th, 2008 at 3:28 pmOkay, I’m confused.
June 17th, 2008 at 3:29 pmIs Hume saying that because of Obama’s grandfather, Obama himself may not be a committed Christian, even though he’s been baptized, married in a church, and regularly attends mass?
That’s a bit reaching, I must say.
A link to this piece of crap
June 17th, 2008 at 3:33 pmhttp://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12918.htm
And we see that Faux stays true to their bigoted, racist demographic audience. I just hope that audience gets smaller, not larger over the next 6 months.
June 17th, 2008 at 3:36 pmHume continues to forsake journalism to sell his soul as a mouthpiece for the GOP.
I have a question. If we are doing some sort of litmus test in our country regarding religious beliefs, what does McCain really think about being a christian?
In the comment McCain seems to believe that being a christian is about having a spiritual need fulfilled. Funny, I thought the role of a christian was to serve, not be served.
June 17th, 2008 at 3:37 pmRegarding baptism:
“I didn’t find it necessary to do so for my spiritual needs,” McCain explained.
All they want to do is plant the seed of doubt, facts be damned. Usually, if one is baptized, that ends any doubt as to their faith. Most don’t get ‘unbaptized’, and this issue should be dead. Why is it still going?
June 17th, 2008 at 3:38 pmCome on RHF either get over it or just totally lose it and freak out ranting and raving like a lunatic. I hope you will choose the later
June 17th, 2008 at 3:41 pmGive it up, RHF, You look like an idiot.
June 17th, 2008 at 3:42 pmactually, the right wanted Hillary as the nominee. They felt that McCain stood a better chance against here than Obama.
June 17th, 2008 at 3:45 pmSo,rhf, does that make Faux news pro-Hillary?
ROTFL!
ROTFL!
ROTFL!
Without seeing the context in which Malik Obama said “if elected his brother will be a good president for the Jewish people, despite his Muslim background,” I can only speculate on what he might have meant based on these words alone and the fact that he was talking to the Jerusalem Post.
My first thought is that he probably meant something along the lines of “even though some Jews may worry about Obama because his father was a Muslim and he has a Muslim name, the Jewish people have nothing to fear with an Obama presidency.”
I see nothing in that remark that suggests that Malik is “unsure” about his half-brother’s Christianity. But I do see a possibility that Hume is attempting to manufacture some negatives to advance the Fox News smear agends.
I would be interested to see the entire Jerusalem Post article, as I’m sure most of us would. If for no other reason to see how well it matches up with Hume’s conjecture.
June 17th, 2008 at 3:47 pmRHF,
Answer this for us all; Are you or are you not, a member of the PUMA Party. And if so, will you follow their support of Johnny Boy?
June 17th, 2008 at 3:48 pmI heard that Brit Hume’s second cousin, twice removed, has fathered white children. The Shame!
June 17th, 2008 at 3:52 pmPoor, poor RHF. Not so much rolling on the floor anymore.
June 17th, 2008 at 3:54 pmCrying on towels draped over shoulders, more so.
republicans hate facts Says
June 17th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Now all of the Obama people know what it was like to see Hillary swiftboated all during the primaries, and since Fox has had ample time to push this attack in the last several months, you can see why Hillary people have talked about how the press has been pro-Obama… This is going to get much worse, Obama has no idea how bad the media is going to treat him, poor naive fellow… Welcome to the Clinton experience!
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Oh, please. You make it sound like Obama has NEVER had to deal with negative press before, whereas the “Is Obama a Muslim?” drumbeat has been sounding from the media ever since he first formed his exploratory committee well over a year ago. Not to mention the conflation with his pastor, the flag pin flap, and a host of other distractions having absolutely nothing to do with the issues.
I don’t know how you manage to justify the fairy tale that Obama has been idolized by the press at the same time the press was completely unfair to Hillary. You never give any specific examples to support this ridiculous claim.
June 17th, 2008 at 3:55 pm“Truth is he wasn’t very religious.”
i like Obama’s father!
maybe one of these days we’ll have a presidential candidate that can say the same without fear of it becoming a major issue. why should it matter?
imagine no religion…
June 17th, 2008 at 3:55 pmHume Twists Quote From Obama’s Half-Brother, Claims He ‘Is Not So Sure’ Obama Is A Christian»
Is this the best come back these guys can do? It is no wonder WHY Obama is quickly rising above:
Obama 317 McCain 221
June 17th, 2008 at 3:56 pmI was an Edwards supporter, and watched the news as the events unfolded and I do not remember Hillary being swiftboated at all, but Obama was swiftboated by the press and Hillary…so where does RHF see this smear campaign against Hillary?
I just don’t see it.
June 17th, 2008 at 4:01 pmIt’s media types like Brit Hume that I despise even more than the George W. Bush’s and Dick Cheney’s of the world. This guy has no personal political agenda other than pleasing the people that pay him. He is a genuine mercenary whore who pursposefully distorts and mischaracterizes truth and facts for money. He really lies for a living.
June 17th, 2008 at 4:02 pmAs an Edwards supporter, I must second what Buckie Boy said. It seems her campaign hyped up “instances” to garner sympathy. (Oh, don’t make her cry again!)
June 17th, 2008 at 4:05 pmIt doesn’t take a lot of effort in Google to find multiple blog postings and editorials ranting about how it is a “known fact” that Obama was raised a Muslim. After all, he went to school for a few years in Indonesia and most people in Indonesia are Muslim.
It appears that Muslim tradition (or at least some Muslim traditions) determine that a child is Muslim if his/her father was Muslim when the child was born. Whether the child subsequently is raised in those beliefs is moot.
June 17th, 2008 at 4:06 pmIf all the tapes of Repukians using racist remarks would libforequity still vote for them.
You bet he would, after all he is a repuke, party before country.
June 17th, 2008 at 4:12 pmI disagree, osage. My take on Hume is that, when he worked for ABC, he was resentful of what he perceived as “liberal bias” (which actually was probably simply a bias toward facts and accountability) and when he finally landed on Faux News, he really felt able to breathe in the dank, fetid air for which he had yearned all his professional life. Now he could charge ahead with his conservative bias, in a place where such a slant was welcomed.
June 17th, 2008 at 4:12 pmThere just aren’t enough gossip and innuendoes around, so Hume felt the need to scrape the bottom of the barrel for a slam on Obama — note how he carefully phrased it, though, he didn’t say Obama is a Muslim (as if that in itself is worthy of stoning) but only that his background is such. Well, Hume’s background is what – British? – so he has a background in imperialism, colonialism, and he might have supported the British occupation of the early United States.
June 17th, 2008 at 4:13 pmgummitch Says:
After all, he went to school for a few years in Indonesia and most people in Indonesia are Muslim.
Does that mean religion is contagious?
June 17th, 2008 at 4:14 pmOh no, and I haven’t been inoculated against Southern Baptists yet.
Fascinating how the troll dismisses the Hume distortion as “conjecture” yet its retort is to challenge us with a hypothetical.
That troll mind must be a weird, weird, place.
June 17th, 2008 at 4:15 pmSorry Wayne but the Southern Baptist vaccine is sort of like the old rabies regimen. Prepare yourself for a whole lot of shots and still you’ll need to get regular boosters…
June 17th, 2008 at 4:16 pmNow THAT is conjecture!
You see, libforequity? THis is how “conjecture” is done.
Good work, Marie.
June 17th, 2008 at 4:17 pmThis whole issue is very troubling. Speaking of someone being possibly a Muslim and linking it with terrorism and extremism is truly dangerous. As I recall, no religious test is allowed to hold office in the U.S., and that means whether a person is a Christian, Jew, Muslim, atheist, Wiccan, etc. is NOT supposed to matter. JFK had to reassure voters that his being a Catholic wouldn’t mean that the Pope would be running the country. FDR was “accused” of being Jewish. While hardly a fan of Mitt Romney, it upset me that his Mormanism was made out as a big deal and a negative for him. I, frankly, could care less if Obama was a Muslim. Comparing McCain and Obama, I know which one demonstrates love and concern for his fellow creatures, and which one doesn’t. And it ain’t the older guy!
June 17th, 2008 at 4:20 pmWhat part of “no religious test” don’t these frightened children get? He has a rich cultural ancestry. Sane people consider that a positive.
Plus, even if Obama were a “secret Imam” I seriously doubt he would be able to mobilize the forced conversion, or execution, of non-Muslims. If you want to be afraid of something? Try global pollution.
June 17th, 2008 at 4:21 pmTime to flag this race baiting troll libforequity.
June 17th, 2008 at 4:24 pmSo, if the “whitey” tape surfaces, will you still vote for Obama?
You mean if the Republican attack machine get’s a better audio editing program and is able to produce a more convincing fake will I still vote for Obama?
Yes. I will and so will alot of others.
June 17th, 2008 at 4:25 pmCome on Wayne. You never reel the fish in right away. Ley them play it a while first.
June 17th, 2008 at 4:26 pmpete Says:
What part of “no religious test” don’t these frightened children get? He has a rich cultural ancestry. Sane people consider that a positive.
Plus, even if Obama were a “secret Imam” I seriously doubt he would be able to mobilize the forced conversion, or execution, of non-Muslims. If you want to be afraid of something? Try global pollution.
Good points, Pete.
And what if one of our candidates was a Roman Catholic? Would we vote for him? After all, the Catholics and the Crusades have been responsible for more deaths than any other religion.
June 17th, 2008 at 4:26 pmThe troll obviously is irony-deficient.
I pointed out the absurdity of it dismissing as “conjecture” something for which video evidence actually exists (Brit Hume’s misrepresentation of Obama’s brother) and in the next breath baiting us with a hypothetical, and its response to that observation?
Continue to push its hypothetical, as if it wasn’t absurd.
June 17th, 2008 at 4:28 pmI just called the National Press Club and asked if it is true that Larry Sinclair has changed his name three times and been convicted of drug trafficking. They said they had no idea whether or not that was true. I said that those would be easy to prove true or false by a criminal check while it is impossible to prove that you did not do cocaine or receive a bl0w job. They hung up. I called back and asked why they hung up. They said because I was cursing. I said that that was what Larry Sinclair was supposed to speak on—that and nothing else–and that they chose him to speak on this subject and not me. They then gave me a voice mail to leave a message.
Please give a call to the National Press Club at 202-662-7500.
June 17th, 2008 at 4:32 pmThe Reichwingers only have one avenue open. Attack Obama because he’s different. It’s old habit for them; different=bad/scary. Unfortunately, for them, Bushco has sullied the brand enough that it seems likely the fear and smear tactics won’t work. And I don’t see any force on Earth that could result in their retaining, much less gaining, seats in the Legislature. Even with the possible catastrophe of a McCain Presidency, the neocons will be a hunted aberration.
June 17th, 2008 at 4:32 pmBut Obama’s half brother is not so sure. Malik Obama tells The Jerusalem Post that, “if elected his brother will be a good president for the Jewish people, despite his Muslim background.”
Oh, excuse me, but did Malik Obama say he was “not so sure” his brother was a Christian?
Must have, because you claim that Hume does not make this claim and only cites the words spoken by Obama’s brother. So if he only cites “words spoken by Obama’s brother”, then Obama’s brother must have said he wasn’t sure that Barack is a Christian.
Is that the case?
June 17th, 2008 at 4:36 pmNo one here believes that you would make such a contribution when the tape didn’t surface.
You haven’t exactly built up a reputation for integrity.
June 17th, 2008 at 4:38 pmlibforequity Says:
\Let’s see, where to start…. First of all, Hume Could have restated about Obama’s life-long membersgip in the Christian church, the fact he was married and baptized his children there. He could have given more of the comment, other than taking it somewhat out of context.
And, just for clarification, it is his HALF brother.
And, do you think this had ANYTHING to do with Faux supporting Rupert’s favorite party? Be REAL honest here, OK?
June 17th, 2008 at 4:38 pmlibforequity Says
I am registered independent by the way….
Yeah, right, you have shown us time and again that you are no indepentent, you are a repukian whore, plain and simple (minded)
June 17th, 2008 at 4:39 pmlibforequity,
June 17th, 2008 at 4:42 pmI predict that by 11/1/2008 that tape of you beating your wife and killing puppies will surface. Any bets?
This fish has been landed !
June 17th, 2008 at 4:42 pmWhat does it matter if Obama is an aetheist, Christian or anything ? Certainly does not impact what he can do on the job. Do we ask employees their religious beliefs? bush professes being born again, well we can all see how well that turned out. Never has President treated his country as badly as bushjerk.
June 17th, 2008 at 4:43 pmIt was meant to be dumb—it was an imitation of you!
June 17th, 2008 at 4:50 pmLibforequity,
Gonna address my question to you at #57? Read it carefully and five it some thought, OK?
June 17th, 2008 at 4:50 pmralph. You are supposed to put them back in the water when you are done. This is a gentleperson’s sport. Purely catch and release.
June 17th, 2008 at 4:52 pmHow delusional are these “new” trolls? Are we really supposed to consider a single, hypothetical, word over the lifetime of the wife of a candidate a “deal breaker”? If we are that sensitive wouldn’t McCain, with his long history of profane tirades, be exiled from the country?
Grow up and/or go away, troll. And educate yourself while you’re at it.
June 17th, 2008 at 4:56 pmBrit Hume noted the fact that Obama “is a practicing Christian,” but citing a recent article in the Jerusalem Post, Hume then claimed that Obama’s half-brother “is not so sure.”
And this is news how? Last I checked there wasn’t a religious test for elected office. I understand how this is important to the anti-American religious freaks but aren’t news organiztions supposed to be above that? Even pretend ones?
http://progressiveworldreview.com
June 17th, 2008 at 4:57 pmAll of our trolls are feverishly trying to throw dirt in the face of the loyal Americans who read the posts here at TP. Christian/not-christian, Muslim/not-muslim, black/not-black, who cares about this stuff.
We have cared about this petty stuff for almost 8 years under bush and we are being destroyed. Bush was sold as a Christian – he is not a Christian. Bush was sold as a uniter -he certainly is no uniter. Bush was sold as a ‘family’ man – a dry drunk, coke snorting, awol flyer wanna be, yeah that’s a family I want. You see, all the narratives about Bush (and McSame) are false and probably would make hollywood blush from all the lies and puffery. But to the right side, that is what matters – the IDEA of the man, not the REALITY of the man. Bush and McSame; Both priviledged and worthless human beings.
June 17th, 2008 at 4:58 pmI’m gonna have to decline on catch and release today, db. I had to give a half a gallon of blood to the lab and they won’t let me eat till I have more tests tomorrow. I’m cranky.
If they can’t break the line? Out of the gene pool!
June 17th, 2008 at 5:00 pmSo, if the “whitey” tape surfaces, will you still vote for Obama?
This is the first example I have seen of “push blogging”, the cousin to push polling. Libforequality, if a videotape surfaces of McCain lying about his position on numerous issues, would you still vote for him?…Oh, wait…
June 17th, 2008 at 5:01 pmSo you like hearing what reinforces your beliefs and makes you feel good—well I am shocked, shocked I tell you!
June 17th, 2008 at 5:02 pmupside99 Says:
And, just for clarification, it is his HALF brother.
Who didn’t even meet Barack until 1985. He was hardly privy to Barack’s childhood upbringing.
June 17th, 2008 at 5:03 pmlibforequity Says:
I do believe, on the other hand, that a good majority of media is liberal.
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Let us assume for a moment that your belief has some validity. Why do you belive this to be the case. What forces have resulted in this lack of balance?
June 17th, 2008 at 5:05 pmIt’s not a big thing because IT DID NOT HAPPEN. The story is out there to discredit Obama.
June 17th, 2008 at 5:05 pmI watched the tape, but couldn’t hear anything except a low rumbling noise, like a big truck rolling on a gravel road full of potholes.
June 17th, 2008 at 5:07 pmlibforequity Says:
I do believe, on the other hand, that a good majority of media is liberal. The thing is Upside, et al., a person can watch what he wants and what appeals to him. I personally like watching Fox – because they report news I like to hear. Now, I know what you are thinking but consider the media outlets you suscribe to. I am going to guess that you are not that much different from those you criticize.
I had to laugh when you wrote: “I personally like watching Fox – because they report news I like to hear.”. They report news that the right side wants to hear? They reported China drilling – which was false, they reported Obama being a Muslim, which is false, remember the terrorist fist jab? How about Rove not being noted as an advisor to McSame? How about the FOX talking heads hoping for an assination? What about the black people in NOLA who had it coming? How about all the other FAUX News ‘fair and balanced’ reporting?
You have shown your colors and they are cowardly yellow. Purely yellow. You can’t scrub it off, you can’t remove it; It is a part of who you are, and it will never leave you. Fox news was built to accelerate the GOP grasp on the nation – and the world. For anyone to refute that is a fool or on the payroll of Fox.
BTW: You claim the media is liberal. Please, for the sake of all of us, indicate why you think that is. Any measure of the news this last 7+ years has been skewed toward their corporate masters; That is clear.
June 17th, 2008 at 5:08 pmlibforequity Says:
I personally like watching Fox – because they report news I like to hear, without all those annoying facts.
June 17th, 2008 at 5:10 pmWasn’t troll of yore Frank M. also supposed to be “registered independent”?
Seems to be the most popular affiliation for right-wing trolls these days, what with the GOP going up in flames like the Hindenberg and all…
June 17th, 2008 at 5:10 pmAnyone saying the MSM is liberal is saying a lot more about themselves than the media.
June 17th, 2008 at 5:11 pmTucker Carlson said the problem with America is that everybody gets a vote.
June 17th, 2008 at 5:12 pmYou mistake my meaning. When I refer to your established lack of integrity, it has little if anything to do with whether you agree with me or not. It has to do with your demonstrated lack of commitment to reasonable debate.
June 17th, 2008 at 5:13 pmlibforequity:
June 17th, 2008 at 5:13 pmI may have phrased my question poorly. What I am really asking is: If the media is left leaning, why is that so. What forces have caused the right to lose out in a free market media?
libforequity Says:
Because I watch a lot of nerws programs and am an avid reader. One cannot claim that folks like Bill Moyers, Chris Matthews, Dan Rather, Paul Krugman, Bill Maher, Keith Olbermann, et al. lean extremely to the left. Now, there are those who I consider fair – Stephanapoulos (surpirsingly), Carlson, the late Tim Russert.
It’s clearly a matter of definition then, because only someone on the far fringes of the Right would call any of those people “extremely to the left”.
Maybe you’d like to explain why the few giant corporations that own the mass media, television, newspapers, magazines . . . would employ leftists in such positions.
June 17th, 2008 at 5:13 pmThat would be a bad assumption. I think that I was quite clear when I said that I, and most sane people, don’t have much problem with a single hypothetical epithet over a lifetime. However, one of the many problems I have with McCain is his widely reported temper. Publicly calling his wife the most horrible name is just the icing on that cake. It serves to show a pattern of behavior which I would find undesirable in a President.
Michele Obama’s alleged slur indicates nothing about Barack’s fitness for office. And, as a single hypothetical example, it doesn’t even serve to show a pattern in her behavior. It’s a non-issue to grown-ups.
As for Cindy McCain? Her hubby is disqualified long before I need to consider her character. She could work a pole in Tijuana and it wouldn’t influence my vote one bit.
June 17th, 2008 at 5:14 pmSorry, dbadass. You’re aboslutely right.
(ralph gently lowers the squirming “libforequality” into the water and smiles as the troll gratefully swims away)
June 17th, 2008 at 5:14 pmPete, how about if the Pole was John Paul II?
June 17th, 2008 at 5:17 pmThe tape you’re banking on has surfaced and been proven to be doctored. Michelle Obama’s words, “Why did he die” were altered to make it sound to an untrained, eagerly deceived ear that she said “whitey”.
If you’re convinced there’s another tape out there, enjoy the wait.
June 17th, 2008 at 5:18 pmLibforequity,
I do believe, on the other hand, that a good majority of media is liberal. The thing is Upside, et al., a person can watch what he wants and what appeals to him. I personally like watching Fox – because they report news I like to hear. Now, I know what you are thinking but consider the media outlets you suscribe to. I am going to guess that you are not that much different from those you criticize.
Ok, You gave it a go, but still didn’t answer specifically whether this was a focused effort by “fox”.
And to answer your other comment,I don’t watch Network news, I watch PBS, but mostly BBC, both when here and when out of the country. I also get a lot of information from TP, Huff, Drudge, Newsmax, MediaMatters and TPM.
June 17th, 2008 at 5:19 pmOur troll is losing this debate, badly. Time to quit, troll.
Anyone can point to the few instances of a particular ‘pundit’ being balanced. That is not the issue here. The issue here is that over time, with the day to day news cycle and the 24/7 coverage, the news has been skewed to the right. It had to go that way because Bush said anyone who disagreed with him was a terrorist and a traitor. The news managers could not chance that label being applied to them, so they do what they are told. Some individuals will buck the system, but they then are routinely moved off the air to ’spend more time with their family’. Remember who wons the networks. These companies also do business with the government, and they are not going to bite off the hand which feeds them. Those are simple human/corporate interest survival techniques. The company must survive and prosper (with more government contracts), so the news becomes second to that goal.
June 17th, 2008 at 5:20 pmlibforequity Says:
My colors are clear. I am proud to align myself with issues that I firmly believe in and if those issues are issues supported by Fox News,
I’ve always wondered. Are you a fascist because you enjoy propaganda, or do you enjoy propaganda because you are a fascist?
June 17th, 2008 at 5:20 pmSee, here’s where most progressives are different — we prefer to be informed, so we’ll seek out news sources that inform us. (I don’t include TP in this category — it’s informative, sure, but we all know that its agenda is clear and must be taken into account).
But this is why, in my opinion, lefty talk radio is not the phenomenon that righty talk radio is — liberal people are less interested in being told what they want to hear, more interested in being told the truth.
June 17th, 2008 at 5:24 pmlibforequity Says:
Upside 99 says:
I also get a lot of information from TP, Huff, Drudge, Newsmax, MediaMatters and TPM.
And you are criticizing Fox?
UHHH, Yea, why would my comment make you question that?
June 17th, 2008 at 5:24 pmSorry, dbadass. You’re absolutely right.
(ralph gently lowers the squirming “libforequality” into the water and smiles as the troll gratefully swims away)
June 17th, 2008 at 5:24 pmgummitch Says:
It’s clearly a matter of definition then, because only someone on the far fringes of the Right would call any of those people “extremely to the left”.
Bingo. How you see the spectrum depends completely where you yourself are located on it.
Someone here once said Keith Olberman was “a moderate by any measure.” That statement spoke volumes of how far left the speaker was; Olberman is frothingly left and proud of it.
But hey – this is a Progressive website, it would be kinda weird if its denizens were not predominantly liberal.
This is a hit and run comment, BTW.
June 17th, 2008 at 5:25 pmI no doubt believe there are certain values you hold dear to your heart, that you will fight for, that are honorable. I too have values that are honorable that I will fight for
But if your values value Fox news, then you are wrong – in all ways, at all times. It’s not a slam on you, just a curious notion that you like watching Fox because they tell you what you want to hear (obama is a muslim or Bush is a God). Your values need to be better focused on AMERICA, not the network which has its goal to elevate the GOP to a permanent majority – forever and ever.
America needs you better informed and turning away from Fox news is an excellent way to start. Fox news lies to you, and most good and knowledgeable people wouldn’t want to be lied to. Most good and knowledgeable people turn away from sources which are less that honest. But, hey. Fox News tells you what you want to hear. Psst. Did you know Obama is a Muslim?
June 17th, 2008 at 5:25 pmNo, phonylibforequity,
Brit(ney) Fume was not citing the words of Obama’s half-brother; he was twisting them. Referring to someone’s “Muslim background” is not the same as expressing doubts that the person is a practicing Christian, plain and simple.
By the way, on one side of my family, I have a “Jewish background.” That gives me a better understanding of the Jewish faith and Jewish people than someone without it, but in reality I have never been a practicing Jew.
I personally think it’s good that Obama has a “Muslim background.” After the various disasters caused by the present administration, which completely misunderstands the Middle East and Islamic people, the US could use a president who has actually experienced life in a mostly Muslim country, Indonesia. (By the way, Bali, one of the favorite tourist destinations in Indonesia, is mostly Hindu.)
libforequity Says:
Excuse me TP, what is the issue here? Brit Hume is reporting that the Obama “campaign has emphasized his faith in part to dispel what the campaign calls an on-line smear campaign which contends among other things that Obama was raised a Muslim.” Hume does not make this claim and only cites the words spoken by Obama’s brother.
June 17th, 2008 at 5:26 pmWhat is the objection?
libforequity:
June 17th, 2008 at 5:28 pmI realize you are juggling a lot right now but I really would appreciate your thoughts as to my question. I am also curious about labor unions, education, the entertainment business and all the other areas which I have heard others claim are left leaning. I hear the right champion market forces but when I ask sincerely why they feel so many segments of society are controlled by the left, I never get an answer. Is this like that thing about how homosexual marriage is a threat to heterosexual marriage. Just an unanswerable asurredness?
Our troll’s problem is that it’s following the Faux mantra: Anyone left of Rupert’s right nut is a “far left loon”.
Well, here’s a newsflash. I haven’t met a “leftist” since McGovern got shellacked. “Left” doesn’t sell in the U.S. However, the “Right” needs an opponent so the vast centrist majority has been labeled “Left”. They really have no other choice when polling under 30%.
June 17th, 2008 at 5:31 pmFOX is different. If 80% of FOX viewers come away with false beliefs such as “Iraq was responsible for 9/11″ or “WMD’s were found in Iraq” then, yes, FOX is different!
June 17th, 2008 at 5:31 pmBut, they have a loyal following and there are many people out there who do watch Fox. But Fox is not any different from TP, the Huffington, The Daily Kos – maybe more successful in terms of viewership.
Yeah….One network has a documented bias towards the criminal enterprise known as Bushco. Fox is a network which is allowed to operate and be thrust into millions of homes throughout America and the world. The others you note are websites which must be ‘found’ by the person interested in the content of the website. The websites are not beamed into homes worldwide. It is in that way you are losing this debate – although I will say you are doing yourself proud with your contortions and weaving. I bet you are good at playing ‘Twister’.
June 17th, 2008 at 5:34 pmKeltoi Says:
Someone here once said Keith Olberman was “a moderate by any measure.” That statement spoke volumes of how far left the speaker was; Olberman is frothingly left and proud of it.
No he isn’t. Keith Olberman said, “I’m not left or right. I was trained as a sportscaster. In sports, if the centerfielder drops the ball, you don’t say he didn’t drop the ball.”
June 17th, 2008 at 5:35 pmHey Lib,
If I read Drudge and Newsax, how does that disqualify me from seeing other points of view? Have you ever read them? Newsmax is about twice as Right as RedState on a bad day!
And maybe if you would watch BBC you would see how the rest of the world sees us. Would REALLY open your eyes!
June 17th, 2008 at 5:37 pmUm… Fox is utterly different from “TP, the Huffington, The Daily Kos”. You see, those are all blogs.
Faux News is a national cable “news” channel.
If you don’t see a difference there, than we really can’t help you.
(Not to mention that, given the fact that habitual Faux viewers are the least informed one who seeks “truth” and choses to get his information from Faux is engaging in self-defeating behavior, to say the least.)
June 17th, 2008 at 5:38 pmPete, if I may…?
Since Faux has rendered the slogan “Fair and Balanced” a widely-recognized joke, I think you’ll want to re-state your question.
June 17th, 2008 at 5:40 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
(Not to mention that, given the fact that habitual Faux viewers are the least informed
Not on every subject. They are the most informed people in the world about Britney Spears. And Bill O’Reilly keeps them up to date on the latest Girls Gone Wild tapes.
June 17th, 2008 at 5:43 pmI don’t think anyone has cited a media entity which is “fair and balanced”. PBS still comes close, but, it’s really not in the nature of corporate media. They peddle the product which sells. And, by definition, that makes their content and viewpoints subjective.
One of the main reasons I don’t subscribe to cable is that I refuse to support the cable news industry. Not because of bias, but, because they have a uniformly crappy product. I got tired of staring at goat’s rears looking for elusive gems.
I get all my real news from the net. I check multiple sources, vet sources who look suspicious, and draw my own conclusions. Infotainment does me no good.
June 17th, 2008 at 5:43 pmUntil someone can help me out with my issues relative to the alledged domination of the media, education, labor, and entertainment, I will be forced to assume that it is some combination of the following: Liberals grossly outnumber conservatives, conservatives sort of suck at a lot of things and thus are easily out competed, the power of the unseen hand is just stupid mumbojumbo, and/or the domination of these areas by the left is a myth. Please feel free to share your thoughts as I really do find this whole premise a conundrum
June 17th, 2008 at 5:44 pmlibforequity Says:
I don’t want to see homosexuals couples walking down the street holding hands or engaging in PDA.
Makes it so hard to control your secret desires, doesn’t it?
June 17th, 2008 at 5:46 pmfacts are facts and the fact of the matter is a republican can never be trusted to tell the truth or do the honorable thing. They have been raised since birth to lie cheat and steal>
June 17th, 2008 at 5:47 pmlibforequity Says:
Please tell me you don’t believe this?
Maybe you don’t watch much sports, since you are glued to coverage of the latest missing blond on What the Fox News. But, believe me, if the centerfielder drops the ball, and the sportscaster says he ddidn’t drop the ball, that sportscaster will be out of a job very soon. Of course, he could probably go to work for Fox News.
June 17th, 2008 at 5:49 pmlibforequity Says:
No he isn’t. Keith Olberman said, “I’m not left or right. I was trained as a sportscaster. In sports, if the centerfielder drops the ball, you don’t say he didn’t drop the ball.”
Please tell me you don’t believe this?
Not if the Mariners sportscasters are being counted. They’re more likely to say the ball took a bad hop or “he lost it in the lights”.
June 17th, 2008 at 5:49 pmlibforequity Says:
I have a heard a lot about doing what’s best for America here and I do not think exposing children to a homosexual lifestyle to be in the best interest of America. I believe there are numerous studies out there the strong correlation between the nuclear family and children’s educational attainment levels, income levels, etc.
More evidence that you’re getting your brain filled with crap by watching the news you want to hear at Fox.
June 17th, 2008 at 5:54 pmStratRat, hold on. People are not forced to watch Fox news, they choose to, and in large numbers. Do you think TP, HUFF or the Daily Kos would not love to have an audience of similar size to which they could promote their liberal agendas?
But sir, that is the problem. They do watch!!!! They purposely think about their world and the world they prefer and they do tune into Fox. That is my issue. Whatever information Fox sends to them (right, wrong, or otherwise) that is the information they get: from Fox’s perspective. That is not the informed citizenry this country needs now. To be subject to only ONE source – and that source being a partisan arm of the GOP – is not what provides the best coverage of some very important and complicated news stories.
And unless you have numbers telling otherwise, I would bet that TP and Huff Post gets millions of hits and views per day. I don’t know if they match Fox’s numbers, but I would expect them to be close, even thuogh they operate under much different situations. Who wouldn’t want good numbers with regard to the viewership? Everybody hopes they get the largest audience.
Quick question: Why do you think Cheney only goes on Fox?
I will say that I do (really) admire your tenacity. We keep doing our thing on you and you keep coming back without resorting to angry words and names (something I am afraid I am guilty of). To that, I do tip my hat to you. Cheers…
June 17th, 2008 at 5:55 pmlibforequity Says:
Well from here on out I am only going to get my news from Ron Santo, Joe Buck, et al. This is a wonderful point you make here Shoeless. He must be fair…..I never thought of it like that!
That will be a vast improvement over Brit Hume and John Gibson. I mean, Santo and Buck don’t talk about the news at all, but at least you won’t be having your head filled with lies by watching Go Fox Yourself News.
June 17th, 2008 at 5:57 pmLib,
Here is a straight up question for you:
Do you now believe that there were no WMD’s in Iraq when we invaded?
Do you now believe that BushCo had ANYTHING to do with outong a covert CIA agent and then covered it up?
Now, do you think Fox was the first to cover your CURRENT views?
June 17th, 2008 at 5:59 pmIs the load of bullsh!t represented here as obvious to everyone else as it is to me?
This is why you don’t have a reputation for integrity. You try to present yourself as seeking meaningful debate, but then when dbadass asks you a reasonable question about market forces accounting for the the “liberal bias” you perceive in the media, you instead focus on an insignificant example he used in the question. (Gay marriage. Go figure.)
THEN you go on to defend Faux News AGAIN for their success in the “free market”: ” People are not forced to watch Fox news, they choose to, and in large numbers.”
I guess it’s no problem for you, though. You can just dismiss criticism of you, chalk it up to our intolerance for those who disagree with us, right?
Sheesh.
June 17th, 2008 at 6:00 pmAre we having trouble staying on subject today lib? Thanx for the props BTW.
Now. WTF do “homosexual issues” have to do with Faux? And, if you check your research, I think you’ll find that children raised in stable homes achieve at similar levels regardless of how conventional that home is.
It’s quite clear that happy, whole, healthy parents are the most likely to raise happy, whole, healthy kids. There is very little difference between the “success” of straight, gay, or single parents. Tumultuous homes, on the other hand, are a huge risk to children and, once again, sexuality causes little significant deviation.
June 17th, 2008 at 6:01 pmActually the research on educational achievement and family composition is inconclusive at best but that really isn’t the issue. I apologize for citing the gay marriage conundrum which gave rise to that line of discussion. libforequity, I did notice that you used the phrase ” I believe”. Is is safe to assume that your suggestion that the media is left leaning is also simply a belief? If so I will accept that as an answer though I will remind you that the nice thing about beliefs is that they need not be substantiated by any empirical data.
June 17th, 2008 at 6:03 pmBullsh!t. You make a better show of it than most trolls, but you’re still a troll.
June 17th, 2008 at 6:03 pmLike I have said time and time again, I am not a troll – I am interested in the discourse.
And I have been less than polite to you – maybe in my mind for good reason – but that still doesn’t make it right. The discourse and discussion is the most important. We should encourage debate, not chase it away with harsh words and threats.
June 17th, 2008 at 6:09 pmPersonally. I get suspicious when someone answers posts addressed to “troll”, but, I’ve been wrong lots of times.
June 17th, 2008 at 6:13 pmI respect that sentiment, StratRat, and I observe it whenever appropriate.
In my view, this troll doesn’t warrant that consideration. Starting with its misleading screen name, and moving through its refusal to acknowledge real challenges of substance and its (presumably deliberate) misreadings of others’ posts, to spinning wildly away from a reasonable question from dbadass and changing the subject to gay marriage, this troll has proven to be a troll and a humongous waste of time.
Perhaps it actually believes that it quests after knowledge and the Truth. But its words and actions speak otherwise.
June 17th, 2008 at 6:16 pmlibforequity says:
Why, Shoeless, are you trying to disparage me, by claimning I am a closet homosexual?
Well, at least he’s not going to speak at the National Press Club tomorrow saying you did cocaine and got a bl0w job in 1999—-like the drug trafficker with three aliases, Larry Sinclair.
June 17th, 2008 at 6:19 pmlibforequity Says:
gummitch Says:
More evidence that you’re getting your brain filled with crap by watching the news you want to hear at Fox.
Who said I get my news there? I said I like to watch Fox news, just like I enjoy watching a variety of shows including Bill Maher. Is it good to isolate ourselves to our own little spectrum of ther political dial?
Actually, you’re the one who said you watched it because you agreed with their viewpoint, and you’ve demonstrated it repeatedly on this very thread by virtue of the opinions you’ve proffered. If you’re in lockstep with Fox, it doesn’t matter whether you get your news there or not.
June 17th, 2008 at 6:20 pm“Brit”? “Brit”?
I’m not sure “Brit” is an American.
Why, because his name sounds funny to me.
“Brit”? Sounds British to me. “Brit” should change his name if he wants to lecture us Americans on who we should vote for.
At least “Brit” isn’t named “Frenchy”…
June 17th, 2008 at 6:24 pmlibforequity says:
Why, Shoeless, are you trying to disparage me, by claimning I am a closet homosexual?
I wasn’t disparaging you. I do not think homosexuality is a bad thing. I just believe that you would feel much better if you would acknowledge your sexuality. Sexual repression leads to all sorts of destructive personality disorders. Just look at the Republicans in Congress.
June 17th, 2008 at 6:24 pmBy the way, TP, thanks for researching further and posting the cached version of the article.
June 17th, 2008 at 6:27 pmTake care folks. I have some videos to return and a bike ride to squeeze in. Catch ya later.
June 17th, 2008 at 6:31 pmLater db. I think we spooked this one anyway.
June 17th, 2008 at 6:36 pmralph the wonder llama Says
Perhaps it actually believes that it quests after knowledge and the Truth. But its words and actions speak otherwise.
I was impolite to the poster and that is not how I normally go about my business. Even with the harsh words thrown, the poster never (that I could find) called names or became rude. I thought that was worth commenting on. Whether or not the poster is genuine, I do not know.
I believe we here at TP have changed minds and re-directed some viewpoints. We can only continue to do that if we take the high road and remain civil. I am at fault as much as anyone – maybe more because of the passion these topics can generate. We are changing the world, and I think we will continue to do just that if we create an inviting place to debate. Maybe I am just getting older.
June 17th, 2008 at 6:37 pmAlways a pleasure db…We’ll leave a light on for ya.
June 17th, 2008 at 6:37 pmI’d rather he was NOT a xtian.
June 17th, 2008 at 6:46 pmVery true StratRat. However, in light of the MO of our regular pet trolls, it’s difficult not to make assumptions when a “new” personality pops up with the same tactics. Your plea for civility is well taken. Even with “real” trolls.
Now sockpuppets, on the ohter hand…
June 17th, 2008 at 6:52 pmBut flippinstupidity will vote for McCain who called his own wife a “c*nt”.
June 17th, 2008 at 6:54 pmoctamethyl Says:
I’d rather he was NOT a xtian.
June 17th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
Is it not sad, in this “modern world”, that an atheist would barely beat someone who actually sacrificed children to Satan? Superstition and foolish Beliefs have wrecked as many civilizations as smallpox. Yet, in this country, one must claim fealty to a particular myth to have a chance at national office.
June 17th, 2008 at 6:56 pmI’ll go on record as saying, “I don’t see why our new friend was purged”.
He was off topic and disruptive, but, was polite about it.
June 17th, 2008 at 7:20 pmLibbreath showed up to plant the issue of the phony “whitey” tape. The only reason he was civil is because he was treading on thin ice by bringing up a slanderous issue and knows he’d get bounced for being too blatant.
Ralph, db, next time you get him in the boat gut him and throw him on ice before you have a chance to change your mind.
The troll spammed the entire thread by making it about the issue HE wanted to discuss not what TP put up. Some of us don’t want to waste our time reading all his spew.
June 17th, 2008 at 7:26 pmI never watch Faux News; and when I first saw the name Brit Hume in print, I thought the person was female–not that there is anything wrong with that. Still, it’s bad enough that my gender has Mary Matalin, Michelle Malice, Ann-thrax Coulter, Laura Ingraham, et al; so I’m glad Brit is not a woman.
bigtime patriot Says:
June 17th, 2008 at 7:36 pm“Brit”? “Brit”?
I’m not sure “Brit” is an American.
Why, because his name sounds funny to me.
“The Post article Hume referenced is no longer available online and it does not appear on the LexisNexis database.”
That might be so…BUT the article can be found here: -
http://www.pr-inside.com/andy-martin-says-barack-obama-is-r644482.htm
Malik Obama confirms his half-brother Barack grew up a Muslim
web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12918.htm
Is Barack Obama a Muslim wolf in Christian wool?
June 17th, 2008 at 8:51 pmweb.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12745.htm
“The Post article Hume referenced is no longer available online and it does not appear on the LexisNexis database.”
That might be so…BUT the article can be found here: -
http://www.pr-inside.com/andy-martin-says-barack-obama-is-r644482.htm
Malik Obama confirms his half-brother Barack grew up a Muslim
web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12918.htm
Is Barack Obama a Muslim wolf in Christian wool?
web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12745.htm
June 17th, 2008 at 8:52 pmPlease… Hume is full of hot air. But, then again, Hume is working hard for job security on Fox News thanks to his wife. Ms. Hume salutes you, Brit.
June 17th, 2008 at 9:06 pmWe got your BS link the first time Monkey.
June 17th, 2008 at 9:10 pmHume, what a moron. FoxNews, what a den of hypocrites.
First, they slam Obama for attending the same (Christian) church were a pastor said “unAmerican” things.
Now, they imply Obama is a Muslim -trying to scare voters by associating him with them terrorists.
What will be next? Obama, the radical Christo-Islamo-Buddhist?
These people are smear artists. Facts for them are optional.
June 17th, 2008 at 9:18 pmYou are mistaken. The article from the Jerusalem Post appears to be, as TP pointed out, no longer available on the web.
The article to which you linked is a report based on the Jerusalem Post article, and includes only the copy the Brit Hume quoted. The rest of the article is a description of it.
And your insistence that a half-brother who did not meet Barack until he was in his 20s is the best authority on the man’s childhood is not very compelling, I must say.
But I understand why a Christian baptism, Christian marriage and a long association with a prominent Christian church — remember that? the Reverend Wright? Sure you do — isn’t enough to convince you of his Christian identity.
After all, we gots to be a-skeert o’ them Mooslems, right? And if this one sticks a second time, you’ll be happy to forget all about the Rev. Wright, won’t you? In fact, you’ll kinda have to forget about him, or else he’ll mess up your latest smear.
June 17th, 2008 at 9:19 pmWell, you wanna talk deal-breakers?
OK.
John McLame called his wife a “c*nt” in public – in front of witnesses.
June 17th, 2008 at 9:27 pmAs a moderate conservative Troll, I am embarassed by this whole line of attack against Obama.
Worst thing? It seems like it won’t die. If it won’t die at TP, imagine what the rest of the blogosphere looks like.
June 17th, 2008 at 9:29 pmHey Annie
Are you a Celtics or a Lakers or a neither fan? Game 6 underway in Boston.
June 17th, 2008 at 9:32 pmI think TP, and others, do us a service by exposing smears. It also helps to know where the loyalties are. As for the Obama/Muslim issue itself? I’m sure TP, and others, would be happy to let it die. But, the Reichwing can’t leave it alone.
It’s like they can see he’s different, so, they fear him. Unfortunately he doesn’t say anything overtly scary (I think it’s because he isn’t scary.) so the bobble-talking-pundit-heads pull stuff out of their rumps to hear themselves talk.
And I still don’t think any sane adult really gives a rip, nor should they, about his religion.
June 17th, 2008 at 9:46 pmHey, Keltoi – I guess I don’t really care. ;o) I’m a football fan. I always hope the Lakers do well – after all, they’re practically all we’ve got.
June 17th, 2008 at 9:46 pmLeftside Annie Says:
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Hey, Keltoi – I guess I don’t really care. ;o) I’m a football fan. I always hope the Lakers do well – after all, they’re practically all we’ve got.
You are in LA? And a football fan? That has got to be a kind of hell. May I invite you to join the Steeler Nation?
June 17th, 2008 at 9:57 pmYeah yeah yeah, But what about Dick Cheney being related to Obama? What does that make Cheney?
Hume is supposed to be a FOX anchor. More like a cross between Glen Beck and the top reporter for the inquirer.
June 18th, 2008 at 2:31 amhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brit_Hume
According to wikipedia Brit Hume is a journalist. But this is not even up to the standard of poor sloppy sensationalist utter crap journalism
It must be part of very deliberate organized attempt to plant scary ideas about Obama in peoples heads: Obama is a secret unknown “evil”. A secret Muslim, a secret far left radical, a secret Marxist, a racist, a Stalinist, a dictator, a terrorist, an Islamic extremist sleeper agent etc etc
June 18th, 2008 at 6:59 amEven IF Obama were “A secret Muslim, a secret far left radical, a secret Marxist, a racist, a Stalinist, a dictator, a terrorist, an Islamic extremist sleeper agent etc etc”
June 18th, 2008 at 1:56 pmI would still prefer him over any repug, any day.