” There’s your first problem…yep! The RePugniScum Rag of Record! Washington Times? Hahaahahahha!!! That’s the Moony paper!!! The owner thinks he’s Jesus Christ reincarnated. Give me a break!!

Exposing it is irresponsible.

BTW – safeguards for human testing is something that is an ethical imperative and proceedures are extremely well documented.

SO,
IT’S NOT HATING THE TROOPS WHEN THE WHITE HOUSE DOES IT?

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Being part of all the criminal escapades and law breaking olympics of this Adm himself.

Tony Fratto, your not above the law !

I think the vets knew, atleast if they did the slightest reseach, so they just risked it for the money…

You stupid flucking troll. I suppose you use the same logic for the soldiers who are returning from their stint in Bush’s Folly in a coffin… “well, they knew the risks but did it for the money.”

Your statement here is the single most offensive post I’ve ever seen from you. The VA doctors who prescribe the drugs are required to disclose the possible side effects to the patients. But with a huge pool of Pharma lab rats at their disposal, and the obvious kickbacks received, why rock the boat?

I believe you owe our troops an apology.

Vicious degenerate, despicable barstids. Just like the Nazis, only worse: Big Pharma is experimenting on our soldiers.

How civilized.

You know not whom you speak with and I find your comments a bit presumptuous as to my reasons for querying. I’m simply trying to break it down and get to the crux of the issue and the subsequent furor (I’ve since discovered Obama has weighed in on the issue).

Not sure what you are implying about my apparent “mistake” for reading the Washington Times story. It’s the main source of this story and subsequent commentary? Why wouldn’t I read it?

My perspective was seeking to understand why this clinical trial rises above others (there are plenty of questionably executed trials) that have nothing to do with Veterans per se. The tragedy of course would be if indeed there was negligence on the part of the V.A. but I would argue that the tragedy here is a breach of trust, not necessarily attributed to a particular policy. Figures on budgetary priorities would have served this story well and made it much stronger. Perhaps there will be still.

And if I’m not mistaken, there was only one cited instance of a participant of this trial that suffered from the suicidal ruminations that are attributed to the drug in question…out of between 950-100 (I can’t remember the exact number off-hand…984 maybe?).

I understand it a bit better after going off and reading a bit more but as it was initially presented, I wasn’t convinced that there was a direct link between policies and a V.A. that has a long history of less than stellar treatment of those under its care. It appears the main problem here is the latency with advising the current participants of the trial with regards to it adverse psychotic effects. Understood…no thanks to DixieBlood. ;)

When in fact they were nothing short of Propaganda! Recent example, the Fake FEMA PRESS Conference and the “Force Multiplier” Generals as tools of the pentagon sent to be talking heads on the “news” shows.

Now that’s AWFUL!

<#27 BrakTalk says:
“I’ve read the story at Washington Times (all 8 pages of it) ” There’s your first problem…yep! The RePugniScum Rag of Record! Washington Times? Hahaahahahha!!! That’s the Moony paper!!! The owner thinks he’s Jesus Christ reincarnated. Give me a break!!

Quoting more crap:
“I fail to see how this particular clinical trial is any different in scope, methodology and consequence as any other run-of-the-mill clinical trial.”

Well, here goes Biff (STAY AWAKE), here’s the diff!!

“In studies with the anti-smoking drug Chantix, for example, the VA ‘took three months to alert its patients about severe mental side effects.’”

3 MONTHS!!! REPEAT THAT — 3 MONTHS!!!! ARE THEY KILLING RATS OR CARING FOR VETERANS????!!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Cheers

As the soldiers complained about certain issues (pain, headache, stop smoking, stress, fatigue, etc) the military prescribed the psychoactive drugs as a treatment. The drugs prescribed were not made for indications such as pain and such. They are drugs meant to control and maintain psychological balance and limit ‘out of control’ thoughts (suicide being most prevelant). These soldiers were given drugs which were not created for their complaints.

The white house reaction is sickening … but expected. It seems more and more evident that our govt is wrapped around big pharma’s finger (probably the middle one)… who is really leading our country? it seems like drugs (pharmaceuticals) and oil to me.

Why is this drug on the market? and why isn’t Pfizer being investigated for their negligence? Who in the white house owns Pfizer stock??? Why don’t they care about our troops… maybe next time they can test chantix on their employees… or better yet, government officials…

Yes, cigarettes kill people… but at least there is a warning on the side of the pack and everyone knows they are bad… but they don’t make people suicidal and psychotic like chantix does.

an apology would be nice… no one should have to go through the grief I’ve had to endure… especially not our veterans. shame on Pfizer, shame on the VA and shame on the White House

There. Fixed it for you.

Not sure if you are serious or not but the significance from my perspective is that the VA started using a drug only recently approved by the FDA to provide smoking cessation in patients diagnosed with PTSD, continued the prescriptions after being notified by the FDA in November that an abnormally high rate of suicidal thoughts resulted from taking that drug (not a good thing for someone with any mental health issue I suspect) and continued even after the business press published a reference to the warning in January. The following month one of our veterans taking the drug almost got ventilated by the cops, possibly (they probably will never know for sure) because of said side effect. Not drawing any connections to past examples of misuse of troops by this or any other administration but it doesn’t look like good policy based on what we know now.

Anyone wanna help clarify this for me?

Cheers