John and Cindy McCain would reap $373,429 if McCain’s tax proposal were enacted.
By on Jun 19th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
John and Cindy McCain would reap $373,429 if McCain’s tax proposal were enacted.
In a new Center for American Progress Action Fund analysis, Michael Ettlinger documents how much the presidential candidates stand to personally benefit from the McCain and Obama tax proposals. The McCains — who report an annual income of over $6 million — would receive well over $300,000 from John McCain’s tax plan. By contrast, both the Obamas and McCains would receive a substantial, albeit much smaller, savings under Obama’s tax plan:
| John and Cindy McCain | Barack and Michelle Obama | |
| Savings Under McCain Tax Plan | $373,429 | $49,329 |
| Savings Under Obama Tax Plan | $5,641 | $6,124 |
Check out The Wonk Room for the full details, including how the McCain and Obama households fared under the Bush tax cuts.
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by john mcsame
June 19th, 2008 at 4:12 pmOf COURSE IT HURTS! You’re being screwed by elephants!
June 19th, 2008 at 4:12 pmAnd I bet this came as total surprise to the McCindy household.
June 19th, 2008 at 4:16 pmbutbutbut, mcbush was a POW damnit! He’s a hero, just ask him.
June 19th, 2008 at 4:17 pmGee, image that???
A Republican proposal that BENEFITS the “proposer”???? whoda’ thunk???
June 19th, 2008 at 4:19 pmblast from the not so distant past:
MCCAIN: Oh, yes, sure, the wealthy, the wealthy. Always be interested in when people talk about who the, quote, “wealthy” are in America. I find it interesting.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/17/mccain-wealthy-taxes/
Yes its interesting. Who are these “wealthy” people?
June 19th, 2008 at 4:29 pmBobwurst; If McPutz was a hero, he’d be a sandwich.
June 19th, 2008 at 4:33 pmrodger dodger; and just HOW much did the Bush tax breaks increase the national debt?
June 19th, 2008 at 4:35 pmIts a good thing that old elephant is impotent…
June 19th, 2008 at 4:36 pmEver the apologist for your evil masters, eh, Roggie?
Good doggie!
June 19th, 2008 at 4:37 pmhttp://zfacts.com/p/318.html
Debt by president..
And the winners are..Republicans!!
June 19th, 2008 at 4:42 pmUncle Ho Says:
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rodger dodger; and just HOW much did the Bush tax breaks increase the national debt?
Sir, whatever are you talking about?
June 19th, 2008 at 4:42 pmPeople should be able to keep what they earn.
June 19th, 2008 at 4:43 pmrog, you didn’t answer the question:
Luis M Says:
Rogerse, are you for or against sodomizing iraqui detainees which were not Al Qaida terrorists?
June 19th, 2008 at 3:02 pm Recommend (2) | Report Abuse
and your answer is…?
(no spinning this time, we know you’re not gay)
:)
June 19th, 2008 at 4:44 pmshoeless says;
If you have to ask, then I can’t tell you.
June 19th, 2008 at 4:51 pmBeers all around–on Cindy!
June 19th, 2008 at 4:52 pmThe Fair Tax would be the best tax plan.
June 19th, 2008 at 4:52 pmTracy5 Says:
How can TP be proud of the government keeping more of the people’s money?
Uhmmm. Doesn’t that depend on what they are spending the money on? Taxes are necessary to keep our infrastructure intact (remember the bridge and mine collapses?). How about air traffic controllers? They are kinda important. ewer systems and roads, how about them?
I would rather give the money to Dems to do with it what needs to be done, than to the right side who thinks is belongs in their pockets.
Geezzzz. What a strange question to ask.
June 19th, 2008 at 4:53 pmHow can TP be proud of the government keeping more of the people’s money? -T5
Well, when you increase military spending, like Bush has, thats keeping peoples money. How can you be proud of that?
June 19th, 2008 at 4:53 pmVA Voter Says:
People should be able to keep what they earn.
yeah like andorra, bahamas and bahrain, three mighty nations that inspire hope and freedom in the world!
(va voter are you planning on moving to any one of these countries to prove you point?)
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June 19th, 2008 at 4:54 pmThe majority of our federal tax dollars goes to the military with its bloated missile defense programs. Of course it also goes to the boondoggle in Iraq where BILLIONS have gone done the corporate black hole. How can those who hate taxes be proud of the government wasting our money for their corporate cronies?
June 19th, 2008 at 4:54 pmrogerse, glad your so proud of the debt.
are you a republican?
btw -
rog, you didn’t answer the question:
Luis M Says:
Rogerse, are you for or against sodomizing iraqui detainees which were not Al Qaida terrorists?
June 19th, 2008 at 3:02 pm Recommend (2) | Report Abuse
and your answer is…?
(no spinning this time, we know you’re not gay)
:)
June 19th, 2008 at 4:56 pmJebus, Tracy5…got stupid?
June 19th, 2008 at 4:57 pmTracy5 Says:
Tax breaks do not increase the national debt…
Less money does not equal less money.
Republican economics 101.
June 19th, 2008 at 4:57 pmAnd T5 inflation also keeps more of your money because prices rise which increases the amount of tax you pay.
You must really be proud of the economic mess of today.
June 19th, 2008 at 4:58 pmXisithrus Says:
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How can TP be proud of the government keeping more of the people’s money? -T5
Well, when you increase military spending, like Bush has, thats keeping peoples money. How can you be proud of that?
Military spending is not real money.
Republican economics 101.
June 19th, 2008 at 4:59 pmTracy5 Says:
How can TP be proud of the government keeping more of the people’s money?
How can anyone be proud of the way BushCo has squandered our grandchildren’s money by lining the pockets of his cronies?
June 19th, 2008 at 5:00 pmVA Voter Says:
People should be able to keep what they earn.
If a frog had wings he wouldn’t bump his @ss when he jumped.
It’s too bad we need things like roads, police and fire services, schools . . . then we wouldn’t have taxes! Everything would be fair!
Why do I have to keep posting this, VA?
June 19th, 2008 at 5:00 pmVA Voter Says:
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The Fair Tax would be the best tax plan.
Why do you want to tax our county fairs?
June 19th, 2008 at 5:01 pmWow, we’ve got all the taxesOhMyGod trolls out slathering over this one.
June 19th, 2008 at 5:02 pmPlease don’t drive on our roads on your way home, since you don’t want to pay for them. Go cross country. On foot.
rogerse Says:
#9 Uncle Ho Says:
http://www.nytimes.com/ 2007/ 07/ 12/ washington/ 12bush.html?pagewanted=all
New estimates from the Treasury Department projected the deficit for this fiscal year, ending Sept. 30, at $205 billion, down from $248 billion last year and half the peak of $413 billion that it reached in 2004.
Sorry to disappoint you Roger2, but that DOES NOT count the total cost of the war. You need to add another $500B or so onto that number. That is debt held by foreign nations, mainly China. And our TOTAL debt is over $9Trillion.
June 19th, 2008 at 5:02 pmupside99 Says:
Sorry to disappoint you Roger2, but that DOES NOT count the total cost of the war.
See #30.
June 19th, 2008 at 5:04 pmTracyS,
Tax breaks do not increase the national debt….it’s the overspending by Congress….and yes you can blame it squarely on the Republican controlled congress and Bush for not vetoing any spending bills. BTW there has NEVER been a fiscal year in which U.S. federal government spending has decreased from the previous…not even during the 1990s when Congress actually did balance the budget.
June 19th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
This graphic suggest otherwise.
June 19th, 2008 at 5:04 pmEarmarks [record amounts] have blossomed under GOP control of Congress. Former Speaker Newt Gingrich, R-Ga., advocated the practice to help cement GOP majorities. Now, core GOP voters are restive over the party’s record on spending.
Republican economics 101 Pork is Good!!
June 19th, 2008 at 5:09 pmThe McRibs campaign could make a “how-to” video for conflict of interest.
June 19th, 2008 at 5:11 pmBush 3rd term + McCain Presidency = Chi-Ching!
June 19th, 2008 at 5:12 pmThis is laughable how distorted you come up with your figures. What a classic Dem tactic. Get a new strategy this ones a little old.
June 19th, 2008 at 5:15 pmrogerse Says:
nice try, atleast quot some facts if you try and contradict another.
rog, this is going to help you.
don’t thank me, whether you’re gay or straight we’re all in this together.
good luck on your journey of self discovery.
:)
June 19th, 2008 at 5:16 pmthe_dude_man Says:
This is laughable how distorted you come up with your figures. What a classic Dem tactic. Get a new strategy this ones a little old.
dude man! so, what did the doctor say to you?
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June 19th, 2008 at 5:18 pmroger2, you really haven’t been paying attention at all, have you? You think we’ve been paying for the Iraq occupation as we go? Seriously? You’ve got some work to do getting caught up.
June 19th, 2008 at 5:19 pmupside99 Says:
And our TOTAL debt is over $9Trillion.
Debt is not real money.
Reaganomics 101.
June 19th, 2008 at 5:19 pmWell,du du man, how about some facts to back up your claim. I know that all politicians have fudged here and there but the proof is overwhelming that the GOP is has created more deficits. The tax cuts, when looked at, are really a tax shift as they brag about how tax reciepts have increased, which points to tax shift, not tax cuts.
I think a flat tax would be a good thing as it would stop this political football from being kicked around and we could then focus on other issues
June 19th, 2008 at 5:19 pmthe_dude_man Said:
This is laughable how distorted you come up with your figures. What a classic Dem tactic. Get a new strategy this ones a little old.
June 19th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
The figures I presented are based on extractions from the GAO.
June 19th, 2008 at 5:21 pmshoeless Says:
Debt is not real money.
Unless it’s someone else’s credit card debt, in which case they have to pay it back no matter what.
June 19th, 2008 at 5:22 pmThe Bank of International Settlements recently reported that the amount of outstanding derivatives has now reached the $1.14 quadrillion mark.
Republinomics 101 Derivatives, SIVs. CDOs are real debt urr, money.
June 19th, 2008 at 5:22 pmHey Economic Guru,
Does this help?
As of April 2008, the total U.S. federal debt was approximately $9.5 trillion[2], about $31,100 per capita (that is, per U.S. resident). Of this amount, debt held by the public was roughly $5.3 trillion.[3] If, in addition, unfunded Medicaid, Social Security, Medicare, etc. promises are added, this figure rises to a total of $59.1 trillion.[4] In 2007 the public debt was 36.8 percent of GDP ranking 26th in the world.[5] As of 2007, the total debt was 65% of GDP.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt
And any time you INCREASE your national debt, that means you are spending more than you take in. Econ 101.
But I guess you don’t care because you are not a citizen or maybe you just don’t pay taxes or more likely, you don’t give a sh!t.
June 19th, 2008 at 5:23 pmThe GAO? No, the dud man only accepts figures presented by the RNC.
June 19th, 2008 at 5:23 pmVA Voter Says
June 19th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
The Fair Tax would be the best tax plan.
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You’ve done this dance before, and you have yet to deliver a compelling argument in favor of it. All you have ever done is present math that doesn’t add up. You make the insane claim that you get to keep your entire paycheck, you don’t pay any more for goods and services, and the government is fully funded under this plan (and this is a pretty close paraphrase of what you posted back on March 21st.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/21/norquist-hearts-mccain/
Post #21
Unless the government is to be funded by a magic money fairy, this twists basic mathematics in ways no educated person can comprehend.
If you can’t come up with a sensible argument, give it up. I doubt you will sway anyone here.
June 19th, 2008 at 5:25 pmThe top 1 percent of taxpayers pay 33.7 percent of all individual income taxes
the top 5 percent of taxpayers pay more than one-half (53.8 percent) of all individual income taxes
June 19th, 2008 at 5:25 pmgummitch Says:
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shoeless Says:
Debt is not real money.
Unless it’s someone else’s credit card debt, in which case they have to pay it back no matter what.
Oh, you mean our children and grandchildren? Don’t worry about it. They’re too young to know that they are going to have to pay back our debt.
June 19th, 2008 at 5:25 pmrog?
rogerse…?
(he’s shy!)
:)
June 19th, 2008 at 5:25 pmhe_dude_man Says:
The top 1 percent of taxpayers pay 33.7 percent of all individual income taxes
the top 5 percent of taxpayers pay more than one-half (53.8 percent) of all individual income taxes
dude man, are you working?
at what?
do you like your job?
*
June 19th, 2008 at 5:27 pmmisshusseinmolly Says:
Unless the government is to be funded by a magic money fairy, this twists basic mathematics in ways no educated person can comprehend.
You don’t have to be educated to pass Republican economics 101.
June 19th, 2008 at 5:28 pmThe Bank of International Settlements recently reported that the amount of outstanding derivatives has now reached the $1.14 quadrillion mark.
all based almost entirely on a variety of speculative bubbles. cook a cuppa coffee with enough paper.
gotta have the world’s armies to enforce collectibility.
Aside: The difference between a language and a dialect? Dialects don’t have banks and navies…
June 19th, 2008 at 5:28 pm18 million people pay 88% of all income taxes in America. we need to make it 100% this unacceptable !!
June 19th, 2008 at 5:29 pmAnd for all the Repug Economic Apologists out there, one good way to measure the national debt ratio is the value of the dollar relative to previous years. Any guess as to which way it has gone? Maybe the dollar to the Canadian dollar, to the Euro?
Anyone?
Hellloooo?
June 19th, 2008 at 5:31 pmTracy5 Says:
…do you have a clue on how much the government wastes on useless inefficient programs that the Constitution does not provide for anyway?
Here is a big one:
Link to huge inefficient program
June 19th, 2008 at 5:31 pmI would rather let the American people keep their money.
one trouble, here tracey, is that technically, it’s not really “your” money. It belongs to the Federal Reserve. It say so, right on there: “Federal Reserve Note.” Which can call it all back any time it needs/wants to.
Your mistake is to trade your labor with your employer for such useless, worthless crap in the first place
June 19th, 2008 at 5:31 pmshoeless Says
June 19th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
You don’t have to be educated to pass Republican economics 101.
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Ah yes — and McCain is a fine example of that. Wasn’t he the one who said “I don’t know how it works, it just does,” as his proof that tax cuts increased revenue?
June 19th, 2008 at 5:32 pmThe top 6% take 94% of the wealth. Of course their taxes are high.
They are getting off easy because 94% [those not in the 6% under category] take 6% of the wealth yet pay MORE than their share of taxes.
If a flat tax [10%] were imposed the 1%-6% would end up paying even more. They dont want a flat tax.
June 19th, 2008 at 5:32 pmTracy5 Says:
How can TP be proud of the government keeping more of the people’s money?
It’s not that I’m proud of them keeping more money. It’s that I’m damn angry at the government for pissing away my hard earned tax dollars in Iraq, for the no-bid contracts that have enriched their friends (Halliburton, KBR), for all the cuts in human services and domestic programs that no longer benefit American citizens, ’secret’ energy policies resulting in $4/gallon gasoline, and that embarrassment we call ‘The Administration’ who are all going to get pensions for the rest of their life after screwing you and me for the past eight years. Do away with all this crap and, frankly, I’m OK with the taxes I pay into the government.
(deep breath and hold …1….2…3….exhale)
June 19th, 2008 at 5:33 pmjoe cantwell Says:
dude man, are you working? yes
when I have to, which isn’t very much!
do you like your job?
June 19th, 2008 at 5:34 pmIf I loved my job anymore it would be illegal.
iraq has actually cost $845 billion directly, and not all, if any, is debt -Roger
Your saying those treasury bills used to borrow money from China are not debt?
June 19th, 2008 at 5:34 pmrog,
so that spell checker i linked you to is helping, right?
*
June 19th, 2008 at 5:35 pmJune 19th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
Xisithrus Says:
Is Roger2 that stoo-pid or is he/she/it just ignoring reality?
June 19th, 2008 at 5:36 pmhey rog, one more thing,
any debt on that “bridge to nowhere“?
yes, no, maybe?
*
(still not gay?)
*
June 19th, 2008 at 5:37 pmshoeless Says
June 19th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
Debt is not real money.
Reaganomics 101.
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Except of course, that the INTEREST on the debt is real money, which we must pay every year (almost half a trillion dollars in 2007!).
Of course, since we can’t pay that due to our budget deficit, that interest becomes debt, which isn’t real money. Which increases the amount of interest for the next year.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
June 19th, 2008 at 5:37 pmTired of being lied to Says:
It’s not that I’m proud of them keeping more money. It’s that I’m damn angry at the government for pissing away my hard earned tax dollars in Iraq, for the no-bid contracts that have enriched their friends (Halliburton, KBR),
Don’t worry, they aren’t pissing away your hard earned tax dollars in Iraq. They are pissing away your grandchildren’s hard earned tax dollars in Iraq.
Make the grandkids pay our debt. The little snotnosed brats.
Reaganomics 101.
June 19th, 2008 at 5:38 pmFYI providing from the defense of country is mandated by the Constitution…so yes I am proud to send my tax dollars to support our troops. -T5-
The troops dont work at Vought, Halliburton, Boeing or any other of the myriad of defense contractors that KEEP your money.
June 19th, 2008 at 5:38 pmthe_dude_man Says:
joe cantwell Says:
dude man, are you working? yes
when I have to, which isn’t very much!
do you like your job?
If I loved my job anymore it would be illegal.
dude man, are you jeff gannon?
+
June 19th, 2008 at 5:40 pmIt is common sense however that less spending does equal less debt. Do you have any? -T5
http://www.independent.org/newsroom/news_detail.asp?newsID=31
June 19th, 2008 at 5:41 pmCompare that graph to this graph
http://zfacts.com/p/318.html
the_dude_man Says:
If I loved my job anymore it would be illegal.
Yeah, I guess you’d have to love it to do it for 10 cents per post.
June 19th, 2008 at 5:41 pmXisithrus Says
June 19th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
If a flat tax [10%] were imposed the 1%-6% would end up paying even more. They dont want a flat tax.
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Where are you getting your 10% figure? Most flat tax models I’ve seen tend to run about the 23% to 27% range as necessary to deliver enough revenue for our current budgeting. If government spending was cut to balance with a 10% tax, our economy would go into a tailspin even worse than it is now.
June 19th, 2008 at 5:43 pmTax Foundation Study: Obama Plan to Lift Social Security Wage Tax Ceiling Would Hit High-Income States
When government takes 60 cents of a high-income person’s next dollar of wage income, the taxpayer has less incentive to work but more incentive to game the tax system with complex tax planning,” says Prante.
June 19th, 2008 at 5:43 pmYep, that’s why I don’t get rich. Who wants all that money if you have to pay higher taxes. I’ll just stay poor, thank you.
June 19th, 2008 at 5:46 pmrogerse Says:
#45 gummitch Says:
your comment still doesn’t disprove what I said about national debt, but nice try giving the “liberal” estimate of long-term war costs…iraq has actually cost $845 billion directly, and not all, if any, is debt.
Did you read the article you linked to, or are you (as usual) assuming no one else will?
Your insistence that it isn’t being funded by debt is so astonishingly ignorant I really can’t begin to straighten you out.
June 19th, 2008 at 5:46 pmWhere are you getting your 10% figure? Most flat tax models I’ve seen tend to run about the 23% to 27% range as necessary to deliver enough revenue for our current budgeting. -MM
I was just using an IF scenario.. you are correct though that it would be in the range you posted. =)
June 19th, 2008 at 5:47 pmIs there actually a real person that would refer to themselves as the_dude_man? No offense but that is so lame as to be super lame if you know what I mean
June 19th, 2008 at 5:47 pmgummitch Says:
Your insistence that it isn’t being funded by debt is so astonishingly ignorant I really can’t begin to straighten you out.
Don’t bather trying. Maybe one day his grandchildren will explain it to him.
June 19th, 2008 at 5:48 pmSo where does it say that military spending is not mandated by the Constitution? -T5-
Didnt say it wasnt. What I said was that much of your money goes to defense contractors that are not ‘military’
June 19th, 2008 at 5:49 pmif it weren’t gonna fall so hard on the rest of us, too, i would really look forward to the day–coming unfortunately, and unbelievably soon–when their illusory, delusaional universe collapses on ‘em. The only pleasure I shall take on that day is that it is gonna hurt them so much more…
June 19th, 2008 at 5:50 pmTracy5 Says:
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#64
So where does it say that military spending is not mandated by the Constitution?
The Iraq war is unconstitutional.
June 19th, 2008 at 5:50 pmshoeless Says:
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Yep, that’s why I don’t get rich. Who wants all that money if you have to pay higher taxes. I’ll just stay poor, thank you.
Exactly! That’s the problem with socialism. Just sit back and be a sack of lazy sh!t and only do just enough to get by and watch the world pass us up.
June 19th, 2008 at 5:50 pmForgot what they call the anaphorae of the pronouns.
Tracy5, Rogerse, e.g.
June 19th, 2008 at 5:51 pmropdger dodger; were you born stupid, or did you have to work at it?
June 19th, 2008 at 5:51 pmSarcasm is usually lost on those with weak minds.
June 19th, 2008 at 5:51 pmExactly! That’s the problem with socialism. -Dud Man
You deluded dude. Capitalism IS a form of socialism.
June 19th, 2008 at 5:52 pmthe_dude_man Says:
Exactly! That’s the problem with socialism. Just sit back and be a sack of lazy sh!t and only do just enough to get by and watch the world pass us up.
i don’t want to make you nervous dude but they’re also talking behind your back.
it’s true.
sorry.
*
June 19th, 2008 at 5:53 pmrogerse Says:
upside99 Says:
btw, is that debt bush’s fault?.what was public debt under clinton?.
Rog, you r e a l l y don’t want to go there …….
In 2000, when it was turned over to Dubya, the Public Debt was $3T and the Total Debt was $5.7T.
Today, it is Public Debt $5.3T and Total Debt $9.5T
June 19th, 2008 at 5:53 pmrogerse Says
June 19th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
btw, is that debt bush’s fault?.what was public debt under clinton?
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To be fair, not all of the current $9.4 trillion debt is Dubya’s fault. But almost half of it is, plus he has increased the debt at a rate significantly higher than any president before him.
Take a look at this graph:
http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm
As you can see, the debt was already well above $4 trillion when Clinton took office, and it was below $6 trillion when he left. Furthermore, during his time in office, the RATE at which the debt increased slowed considerably (that’s where the line is flattening out).
So if you really want to see where the fault lies, here’s a summary. Reagan and Bush41 took the debt from half a trillion up to about $4.2 trillion. Dubya took the debt from $5.9 trillion to $9.4 trillion. That comes out to $7.2 trillion for Reagan and the two Bushes combined, and $2.2 trillion for all other presidents combined.
June 19th, 2008 at 5:54 pmshoeless; you’ve got it backwards, man.
If you’re rich, you don’t pay much taxes,(Taxes are for little people)
If you’re not rich, you pay through the nose.
see: voodoo economics
June 19th, 2008 at 5:54 pmRogers, our monetary system is a debt based system. You will, one way or the other be charged for whatever the government decides you will pay for.
June 19th, 2008 at 5:55 pmYes it IS really MY money because I technically own the Federal Reserve and those who work in the government are MY employees. -T5-
The federal reserve is not publicly owned. Its privately owned.
June 19th, 2008 at 5:57 pmUncle Ho Says:
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shoeless; you’ve got it backwards, man.
If you’re rich, you don’t pay much taxes,(Taxes are for little people)
If you’re not rich, you pay through the nose.
see: voodoo economics
Oh OK. Tracist5 and dud_man made being rich sound awful. I guess they didn’t take voodoo economics 101.
I think I’ll go get rich now. Thanks Uncle Ho.
June 19th, 2008 at 6:00 pmthe_dude_man Says:
Exactly! That’s the problem with socialism. Just sit back and be a sack of lazy sh!t and only do just enough to get by and watch the world pass us up.
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June 19th, 2008 at 6:02 pmWhy would anyone want more than just what they need. In a world on limited resources why take more than I need?
Jesus was a poor person and took no more than he needed..how again is being poor liberal? Was Jesus on welfare? Was he for empire and wars?
How come the so called conservatives are acting like the Roman empire?
Whats next throwing the christians to the lions Tracy? Dude?
June 19th, 2008 at 6:06 pmSing along now, dude_man, Tracy5, rogerse, VA Voter:
All through the day
June 19th, 2008 at 6:08 pmI me mine, I me mine, I me mine
All through the night
I me mine, I me mine, I me mine
Why don’t you include doing away with all of the wasteful social spending? Why do you seem to have the mindset that it’s the government’s responsibility to take care of you? -Tracy
Meanwhile corporations and lobbyists are feeding from the public trough. Dont you find it ironice Tracy that the biggest cheerleaders for being responsible feed off the taxpayer themselves?
June 19th, 2008 at 6:08 pmHow can soical spending be wasteful. I’d rather do away with wasteful antisocial spending. By our very biology we are social beings. What is best for the group is what is best for the individuals who comprise the group
June 19th, 2008 at 6:10 pmTracist5,
Did you know that Halliburton, KBR, ect. have no-bid, cost plus contracts, and billion of dollars billed buy them have not been justified, and anyone who tries to blow the whistle is punished?
Doesn’t that sound a teeny bit wasteful?
Retired Army official says he was reassigned after blocking $1B in payments to Iraq contractor
WASHINGTON – The senior civilian official who managed the military’s largest contract in Iraq says he was reassigned in 2004 when he refused to approve more than $1 billion in charges to KBR until the Houston company provided credible spending records, The New York Times reported.
“They had a gigantic amount of costs they couldn’t justify,” retired Army official Charles M. Smith told the Times in a story posted on its Web site Monday night. “Ultimately, the money that was going to KBR was money being taken away from the troops, and I wasn’t going to do that.”
Smith said he was reassigned and that most of the payments he had questioned were later approved.
June 19th, 2008 at 6:21 pmTracy5 is on a roll
June 19th, 2008 at 6:21 pmTracist5 LOVES the Iraq war. He loves it, loves it, loves it. It’s the best war ever!
June 19th, 2008 at 6:23 pmWhen government takes 60 cents of a high-income person’s next dollar of wage income, the taxpayer has less incentive to work but more incentive to game the tax system with complex tax planning,” says Prante.
Tell Prante to get his panties unknotted…
For those making over $100,000 a year, they aren’t going to be ’shirking’ or lacking incentive to work. Losing that high paying job might just be incentive to work..
June 19th, 2008 at 6:24 pmStraw man argument extraordinairre!
Tracy5 Says:
That is your are under the dilusion that tax revenues decrease when taxes are reduced.
Huh? No seriously, your writing is incoherent. Or perhaps you’ve had an “optical delusion.”
June 19th, 2008 at 6:26 pmTell us Tracist5, what is your favorite part of the Iraq war? Is it the hundreds of thousands of dead women and children, or perhaps the billions of taxpayer dollars being stolen by private defense contractors?
June 19th, 2008 at 6:26 pmshoeless Says:
Tracist5 LOVES the Iraq war. He loves it, loves it, loves it. It’s the best war ever!
Most likely, he has never served and has a job with one of the defense contractors.
June 19th, 2008 at 6:28 pmTracy5:
June 19th, 2008 at 6:28 pmDon’t sweat it. When you live using just what you need and making just what you need to to access those things you need just to get by, you will find peace. It is the desire to have more than you need that creates your inner stress and causes you to feel resentment toward those whom have more and those whom have less. Who is deluded? The one who lacks peace of mind
rogerse Says:
#88 gummitch Says:
your quoting of my source hasn’t proven anything, it gave the real cost, and the liberal estimate that you seem to prefer, but nothing about funding with debt.
As I already said, your ignorance about the “funding with debt” is so profound that I despair at being able to convince you. Of course, I don’t really care whether you understand or not, and your stubborn insistence on remaining ignorant is really your own problem, not mine.
However, to be merciful, here is an article from a reputable newspaper that spells it out.
This may eventually turn out to be a double post. I made the mistake of not editing the dreaded “a n a lyst”.
June 19th, 2008 at 6:32 pmTracy5 Says:
#23
“Well, when you increase military spending, like Bush has, thats keeping peoples money. How can you be proud of that?”
FYI providing from the defense of country is mandated by the Constitution…so yes I am proud to send my tax dollars to support our troops.
Tracy5, I repeat: Got stupid?
You aren’t “supporting our troops” idiot. You’re supporting KBR, Halliburton, Blackwater and a whole other host of parasites, compliments of the Chimpy adminstration.
Maybe you’re just too friggin’ stupid to know you’re getting screwed, eh?
June 19th, 2008 at 6:44 pm#31
“How can anyone be proud of the way BushCo has squandered our grandchildren’s money by lining the pockets of his cronies?”
That pales in comparison to the amount of money our wastful federal government has done.
I agree Tracy! This war in Iraq is one example of our wasteful federal government’s spending…and it’s just that under this administration, they’ve turned government into a funneling operation straight to their cronies…Waste indeed!
I would wager that programs which the right-wing love to hate take up far less money than corporate subsidies…
June 19th, 2008 at 7:01 pmCan you imagine finding out your husband’s or wife’s real age on your wedding day, and thinking it’s funny that you had both lied to each other about this?! Don’t take my word for it, watch Cindy McCain tell this story. Do you really want these two people in the White House?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv7LUT1ezm0
June 19th, 2008 at 7:27 pmTracy-
June 19th, 2008 at 7:49 pmI have friends and family in the military too, so please stop eating the BS that the Bushies feed you… we can’t afford more of this right-wing insanity.
and yes, I really, really want Barack in the White House but no, he’s not a liar- his church isn’t a scary black people church, it just plays one on TV.
BTW, I have family and friends in the UCC church as well, so please don’t feed me your line of BS about that either, ‘kay?
Cool.
Well, it’s good to see TP finally took the suggestion I e-mailed to them two months ago!
Now there’s a rapid-response team!
June 19th, 2008 at 8:38 pmA positive sign about G W Bush, he makes Mugabe’s practices in Zimbabwe take on a positive light!
June 19th, 2008 at 9:47 pm“dbadass Says:
When you live using just what you need and making just what you need to to access those things you need just to get by, you will find peace”
So since you don’t need a computer to be posting here to “get by” tell us when you plan on leaving.
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June 20th, 2008 at 12:03 amWhen I am done making a fool of you…
Your sensitivity seems to indicate that I already have.
June 20th, 2008 at 12:22 amThe really sad part is that given Cindy’s vast inheritance, the McCains probably don’t even regard $370,000 as a lot of money. Yet that is more than over 90% of Americans earn annually.
June 20th, 2008 at 3:01 amTracy5 Says:
#139
Do you really want this liar in the White House?
They are all liars. It comes down to what lies are more tolerable to the good of the people. Somehow, lying about a blowjob and what was heard at a church is much more serious to some people than lying about going to war for oil etc. I would like to “hear” what was said at the meetings Cheney had with the oil industry – unfortunately, you can’t find that on youtube!
June 20th, 2008 at 10:07 amTracy5 Says:
#133
I have family and friends in the military so please don’t feed me a line of your BS.
That reminds me of a comment Tracist made on another thread yesterday.
Tracy5 Says:
Oh and BTW one of by best friends is black so don’t start making bigoted judgements about me being a racist when you have nothing to back it up.
June 19th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
June 20th, 2008 at 12:34 pmTracy5,
You apparently have not met Obama and, therefore, have no true idea of how much he was shaped by Rev. Wright. To wit, I had a grandmother, who disliked Catholics and Blacks. I had to listen to her, but that does not mean her views shaped mine or that of my siblings at all. One of my sisters even adopted a black child, and I have plenty of friends who are Catholic, some lapsed, some not.
And if you are holding “told a lie” the standard, you certainly should not be able to support the current occupant of the White House nor John McCain. Oh, and I recall your repeated fixation on Clinton’s blow job. Do you really think the admitted adulterer Senator McCain never had an extramartial BJ?
Just food for thought, as I don’t have time to go into a long drawn-out argument with you this weekend.
Tracy5 says:
June 20th, 2008 at 10:06 pmLies are lies. Saying that you had never heard any of Wright’s anti-American BS, that you relied on him to shape your personal beliefs but expect people to believe that you don’t share his views when you made a choice to stay in the church is important when you are asking people to vote you in as president of the U.S. Political positions or actions you may or may not take as president is(SIC–the subject is plural here) directly related to your personal beliefs which in Obama’s case were shaped by Wright.
And John McCain broke from Rev. Hagee (who praised Hitler for trying to get the Jews out of Europe and back to the Middle East) because it became politially expedient for him to do so.
BTW, this thread is supposed to be about the candidates’ tax plans. Let’s stay on topic.
In any case, I’m about to go off to a modest fundraiser for Obama. So “sayonara” for tonight.
Tracy5 says:
June 20th, 2008 at 11:53 pmObama quit because it was politially expedient for him to do so.
Let me see,a McCain tax plan that enormously benefits McCain? Whoda thunkit?
June 25th, 2008 at 12:22 am