Taguba: ‘The current administration has committed war crimes’ and needs to ‘be held to account.’
Taguba: ‘The current administration has committed war crimes’ and needs to ‘be held to account.’
In the preface to a report by Physicians for Human Rights on the “medical evidence of torture by the U.S.,” former Abu Ghraib investigator ret. Army Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba writes that President Bush “authorized a systematic regime of torture” that has stained “our national honor.” Taguba, who first spoke out publicly in June 2007, bluntly accuses the Bush administration of committing war crimes:
After years of disclosures by government investigations, media accounts, and reports from human rights organizations, there is no longer any doubt as to whether the current administration has committed war crimes. The only question that remains to be answered is whether those who ordered the use of torture will be held to account.
The report found that medical examinations of 11 former detainees revealed “scars and other injuries consistent with their accounts of beatings, electric shocks, shackling and, in at least one case, sodomy.”
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Yeah, and? What will be done? Will the press report it? Will there be hearings? An investigation? Will people be held accountable?
The answer to all these questions is a big fat NO.
Hell, the dems just caved on telecom immunity. They won’t even consider impeachment.
What kind of country do we live in now? WTF?
June 19th, 2008 at 1:16 pmAND in Massachussetts, as we speak, war crimes charges are being written up. Momentum, folks, let’s get momentum…
June 19th, 2008 at 1:16 pmThe only war crimes charges that would ever see the light of day would come from a foregn country, not the Fascist States of America.
I hope the players in this criminal empire they call the Bu$h White House travel abroad when they are out of office.
I’d love to see Interpol arrest these people and send them straight to the Hague.
But that ain’t gonna happen from within our country.
June 19th, 2008 at 1:19 pmForeign that is
June 19th, 2008 at 1:20 pmDemocracy Now dedicated today’s entire show to this topic: http://www.democracynow.org/
June 19th, 2008 at 1:20 pm.
Bush: “Bring ‘em on.”
Cheney: “… So?”
CON-da-LIAR: “Mushroom clouds… smoking guns.” “What’s a PDB?”
RumsFAILD: “There are known knowns, and known unknowns, and unknown unknowns.”
gotta have FEITH: “It was bad intelligence, I swear.”
Addington: “Torture is American.”
Gonzales: “I don’t recall.”
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June 19th, 2008 at 1:24 pmAccountable for what?
The gutless Democrats will just retroactively make those “war crimes” legal (see telecom immunity).
All these f***ers disgust me.
June 19th, 2008 at 1:32 pmhttp://www.prosecutionofbush.com/
Vincent Bugliosi’s book lays it all out. There is no doubt the current administration is a bunch of war criminals.
June 19th, 2008 at 1:34 pmIf our government and constitution are worth a damn there will be war crimes trials.
June 19th, 2008 at 1:34 pmThis administration makes me ashamed.
June 19th, 2008 at 1:35 pmOne can honestly say that the Bush administration has not broken any laws that a majority of Congress cares about. Makes you proud to be an American.
June 19th, 2008 at 1:35 pm“ … scars and other injuries consistent with their accounts of beatings, electric shocks, shackling and, in at least one case, sodomy.”
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oh …….sorry, I was daydreaming and projecting that last statement on the BushCo Cabal.
Was a very happy dream!
June 19th, 2008 at 1:36 pmMuslims barred from picture at Obama event
Two Muslim women at Barack Obama’s rally in Detroit on Monday were barred from sitting behind the podium by campaign volunteers seeking to prevent the women’s headscarves from appearing in photographs or on television with the candidate.
HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!
June 19th, 2008 at 1:39 pmIf the crimes are swept under the rug during this administration, the thugs fear prosecution during an Obama administration.
As the numbers are looking bad for McCain in the White House.»”>Obama 344 McCain 194 would the neocons replace McCain with someone else, hoping to beat Obama, to avoid prosecution? Thom Hartmann mentioned this.
June 19th, 2008 at 1:40 pmDems ‘08 Slogan: We don’t totally suck as much as Republicans do.
June 19th, 2008 at 1:41 pmthe_dude_man Says:
Muslims barred from picture at Obama event
HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!
June 19th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
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And if they had been allowed to remain in the picture, you’d be here posting the picture as “evidence” that Barack Hussein Obama is a secret Muslim who’s going to enslave us all.
June 19th, 2008 at 1:42 pmhussein toasterhead Says:
I’m glad you now see the catch 22 with the race baiting.
June 19th, 2008 at 1:45 pmthe_dude_man Says:
I’m glad you now see the catch 22 with the race baiting.
June 19th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
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What the crap are you talking about? Who is race baiting?
June 19th, 2008 at 1:47 pmChrisSEA Says:
http://www.prosecutionofbush.com/
Vincent Bugliosi’s book lays it all out. There is no doubt the current administration is a bunch of war criminals.
“The Torture Team” by Philippe Sands is pretty conclusive as well.
June 19th, 2008 at 1:47 pmThank you, General Taguba! :patriot:
I hope that some day Bush, Cheney and the rest of these evil men are tried and convicted.
June 19th, 2008 at 1:49 pmGeo Says:
:patriot:
June 19th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
Go back to GBS
June 19th, 2008 at 1:49 pmMan, you guys thinking this Congress or the next Congress or Obama will do ANYTHING to prosecute BushCo, get some glasses, learn how to read, lay off the pot, and stop drinking before the sun sets. What on Earth makes you think that will happen?
Really what are you reading that makes you believe Obama will become the great Constitution-Cursader? Obama is a bit left of Clinton, but that’s about it folks. Obama probably thinks Dennis Kucinich is a nut.
June 19th, 2008 at 1:50 pmToaster,
June 19th, 2008 at 1:50 pmJust flag the race baiting troll and move on.
citizen_pain said:
Yeah, and? What will be done? Will the press report it? Will there be hearings? An investigation? Will people be held accountable?
The answer to all these questions is a big fat NO.
Hell, the dems just caved on telecom immunity. They won’t even consider impeachment.
What kind of country do we live in now? WTF?
Seconded. The press would rather talk about bowling scores and lapel pins than systemic abuses of government while the Democrats are far more concerned with covering their sorry asses than doing their jobs.
WTF is right!
http://progressiveworldreview.com
June 19th, 2008 at 1:55 pmHmmm, maybe someone could ask Bush why he purchased 800,000 acres in Paraguay. I don’t think we have an extradition treaty with Paraguay, and Bush has all the KBR and Blackwater thugs at his disposal. It sounds like Bush is destroying the country and running like a thief to the South American jungle.
Think about it: Before Bush was preznit, he NEVER went ANYWHERE!!!! Now he has war crimes hanging over his head, he buys property in a place very few Americans would call home. The guy doesn’t even speak good Spanish - or English for that matter.
June 19th, 2008 at 2:00 pmwhich one is dude man?
June 19th, 2008 at 2:01 pmMORE proof that Bush and Cheney are TRAITORS to the USA, and deserve the PENALTY for TREASON in “wartime”.
And if they escape THAT, God SEES their GENOCIDE and HEARS their LIES and the CRIES OF HIS CHILDREN.
Bush and Cheney are ETERNAL TOAST. Whether their SUPPORTERS end up that way will depend whether they REPENT.
Or BURN FOR ETERNITY.
June 19th, 2008 at 2:01 pmI type this in disbelief.
June 19th, 2008 at 2:12 pmI type this with a saddened heart.
Torturing non combatants. Sodomizing them.
Jesus, my friends, would not be proud.
Yet, we have our parodyll, our rogerse(rogerdo), our worst spelling troll ever, all vigoursly defending this administration.
Why?
Oh, they will tell you it’s harmless, or that it’s a “just dessert”, but God forbid these techniques are ever used on any of their family members, or children.
We have met our enemy, and he is us.
Thank you, herr Bush, for recruiting terrorists abroad like no other leader!
rogerse Says:
Yeah, so what?.the gop already tried supporting impeachment, the dems refused…so you all know who to blame.
Bush - We blame bush. It truly makes me sad to think that an American - with the numerous examples of criminality - would still be supporting the administration over the country and it’s citizens. I am trying to get my head around the fact that there are some who will stand with Bush till the ends of time - no matter what he has done or will do. It truly makes me sick that instead of thinking about the impact on our country and way of life, they would rather Bush be hailed as a hero, and not the low form of human existance he is.
The folks here (rogereseses) is a paid (not very well, I presume) shill for Bush and the GOP. There is literally no way someone who thinks, could consider Bush anything but an abysmal failure of governement and leadership.
The posters who support Bush need to labeled for what they are: traitors to the country and the Consitution. There is no other way to describe them. You cannot support both the Constitution and Bush at the same time - they are mutually exclusive philisophies. Some folks here have already staked their claim and stand by Bush. God only knows why.
June 19th, 2008 at 2:12 pmrogerse is right, let’s impeach those syphilitic, right wing scumbags!
(dude, i knew you were a mole troll!)
:)
June 19th, 2008 at 2:13 pmrogerse,
June 19th, 2008 at 2:13 pmJust how many GOPer signatures are in support of H.Res 333?
Well, DUH!!! We have been screaming this for years.
Over 100 have died, at least 20 were beat to death.
Bush/Cheney Hague Trials ‘09
June 19th, 2008 at 2:21 pmThere aren’t supposed to be excecptions to those rules (The Bill of Rights and the Constittution). They were written during a war, for Freedom’s sake.
June 19th, 2008 at 2:22 pmMax-1 the main thing is for the press to ask john mcsame if he supports the house gop in their efforts to impeach bush and cheney.
can’t wait to hear his answer, eh rogerse?
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June 19th, 2008 at 2:22 pmThe worst torture Bush could experience would be to put him in a spelling bee…
June 19th, 2008 at 2:22 pmagainst 5th graders.
The only question that remains to be answered is whether those who ordered the use of torture will be held to account.
And I think we all know the answer to that fookin question don’t we Nancy, Steny, Harry?
June 19th, 2008 at 2:22 pmrogerse,
I’m saying you never answered my question…
If the GOOPers supported impeaching Cheney, where are their signatures of support on the impeachment resolution, H.Res 333?
It was a simple, albeit seemingly rhetorical question, that flew over your TROOLISH head.
Or better yet, where are the GOOPer articles of impeachment?
The House voted to move it to the Judiciary to die… I never heard the GOOPers argue against letting the motion die, did you?
June 19th, 2008 at 2:27 pmI’ve thought for a long time that a democratic prez would’ve been impeached a long time ago for doing the same things. Rs would’ve pushed that through to ensure a re-election was impossible. I don’t think a (D) would’ve had 35 to 60 articles against him, though. Of course, he would’ve only had half the time to commit those ‘high crimes’.
June 19th, 2008 at 2:31 pmI feel sick.
June 19th, 2008 at 2:31 pmrogerse Says:
Max-1 Says:
don’t you get it…the dems voted to send it to die, they supported that, the gop voted in favour of it…regardless of the lack of sighnatures, or how sincere the support was, all the dems had to do was vote the same if they actually wanted impeachment.
Someone here is hiding behind technicalities and postures. Do you support the impeachment of your president for the numerous crimes against the country and the planet? The Dems did what the Dems did because they are weak and ineffectual. We will rid the Congress of those folks in due time, no problem. What do YOU THINK? Can you make an individual decision? lets hear it, please.
June 19th, 2008 at 2:56 pmRogerse, are you for or against sodomizing iraqui detainees which were not Al Qaida terrorists?
June 19th, 2008 at 3:02 pmIf The United States of America ever gets serious about restoring its international image, they have to prossecute this administration for WAR CRIMES. Around the globe people are aware of it. If this criminals walk away as though nothing happened… well, ‘god help america’!
June 19th, 2008 at 3:26 pmThey commited WAR CRIMES. This is a very serious matter! Bush, Chenney, Perle, Wolfowitz, Rice, Gates, Powell, Rumsfeld, etc. They all have to face an international court for what they have done. Many people died. American, Iraquis and Afehgan alike. They lost their lives because of these imoral criminals. HAGUE 2009. Plus, the truth about 9/11 has yet to come out. Too many ununswered questions pointing out to an inside job. Where are the 84 videos of the Pentagon alledged attack? Why they are not made public yet? What are they hiding? How can the CIA destroy videos of the interrogations? Destroying evidence is a federal crime! They are trying to hide their WAR CRIMES! These are very dark clouds haging over a country that used to be GREAT. Not anymore… since the stolen elections of 2000. How can a TRAITOR like Rove still be free??? Can a normal worker, a tax payer ignore a subponea? The people should be surrounding Congress and the WH and demanding accountability. Now, the enablers (DEMOCRATS) are caving in to the telecommunication companies imunity bull. These companies commited a federal crime! Democrats are playing ‘politics’ with the rights and freedoms of the people of the US. They are stabbing in the back the people of the United states. The workers! Who now are paying top dollars for petrol, which makes everything else go up in price, while wages remain steady. Lucy if you are employed! The economy is going down the drain… the military industry complex is getting more than half of the tax payers contributions, while health, education, employment, and infraestucture are being neglected. FACISM has prevailed. WAORKES OF THE WORLD, UNITE! TAKE BACK YOUR COUNTRY, WHILE IT STILL EXISTS!
Luis M Says:
Rogerse, are you for or against sodomizing iraqui detainees which were not Al Qaida terrorists?
good question!
rog, your answer?
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June 19th, 2008 at 3:44 pmBut you see lefties, because you criticize the current President, you are considered Bush haters and not deemed worthy of attention. Start praising our dear leader and then we will give you credibility, otherwise, put up and shut up and vote McCain.
Oh yea…and while your at it, we will need to surgically remove your brain and send you on your way. Don’t forget to tune into Hannity!
June 19th, 2008 at 3:48 pmrog?
rogerse?
do you want to take a little more time and think about it?
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June 19th, 2008 at 3:50 pmrogerse?
sodomy, yes, no, maybe?
here’s the question again (in case you forgot):
Luis M Says:
Rogerse, are you for or against sodomizing iraqui detainees which were not Al Qaida terrorists?
and your answer is…?
:)
June 19th, 2008 at 4:04 pm#
joe cantwell Says:
rog?
rogerse?
do you want to take a little more time and think about it?
He IS “thinking” about it (pant pant!)…
What’s a little WAR CRIME when there’s BRUTAL RAPE to jakoff to?
June 19th, 2008 at 4:07 pm#47
June 19th, 2008 at 4:17 pmgitrdone… you refer to Bush as “your Dear Leader”… wow! North Korea use the same expression, so did NAZI germans and Italian FACISTS. A president should never be refered as “Dear Leader”… it takes the engines of democracy away, when governements are not held accountable for their actions and the their words are taken as absolute. I love democracy. Yours has gone down the drain, thanks to your “Dear Leader”. And he IS A WAR CRIMINAL! Years from now, you be thinking back to this “Dear Leader” comments and hopefully get ashamed to support a criminal.
47…
June 19th, 2008 at 4:21 pm“Dear Leader”… don’t you think for yourself??!!! You need the symbol of a “Dear Leader” to feel safe? Don’t you trust in democracy and accountability????
“Following the leader… the leader… the leader…”
Get an education!
47
June 19th, 2008 at 4:21 pmRead books!!!!!!
47
June 19th, 2008 at 4:22 pm‘Lear the past! Learn the present!’
Learn History!
Gosh… the Pentagon gets this ignorant kids to “spread the ‘Dear Leader’s message”, but they don’t give them propper education…
June 19th, 2008 at 4:26 pmrogerse Says:
joe cantwell Says:
I’m not gay….so why would I?.
another question mark/period.
so you’re not sure?
:)
June 19th, 2008 at 4:47 pmAs I said on the ThinkFast thread earlier today, the growing number of people who’ve been on the inside of this whole mess (either currently or previously) who’ve publicly condemned it should at least say something. One person can be dismissed as a crank or as a “disgruntled former employee” — but the larger the number becomes, the harder it becomes (or at least, the harder it should become) to dismiss the allegations, especially when they include a member of the top brass like Taguba.
That being said, I don’t think Taguba should get a pass since it was he who filed the report blaming then-Brigadier General (now Colonel) Janis Karpinski for what happened at Abu Ghraib. The information that has been made public over the last few months would certainly seem to back up her claims that the Bush administration used her as a convenient scapegoat — and personally, I’m still inclined to suspect that they might not have done this to her had she been a man.
June 19th, 2008 at 6:20 pmFor what its worth, I just sent a letter to the NYT (Public Editor and Letters) asking why they haven’t covered Taguba’s charges.
Maybe a few more people could do the same.
As far as I’m concerned, their silence on this is hardly better than having allowed Judith Miller to print all those lies that helped get is into Iraq.
June 19th, 2008 at 9:58 pm