Bolton: Israel Will Attack Iran After U.S. Election But Before Inauguration, Arab States Will Be ‘Delighted’
Bolton: Israel Will Attack Iran After U.S. Election But Before Inauguration, Arab States Will Be ‘Delighted’
This morning on Fox News, former U.N. Ambassador John Bolton continued his drumbeat for war against Iran. Adopting Bill Kristol’s argument, Bolton suggested that an attack on Iran depends on who Americans elect as the next President:
I think if they [Israel] are to do anything, the most likely period is after our elections and before the inauguration of the next President. I don’t think they will do anything before our election because they don’t want to affect it. And they’d have to make a judgment whether to go during the remainder of President Bush’s term in office or wait for his successor.
Bolton gamed out the fallout from an attack on Iran. He claimed that Iran’s options to retaliate after being attacked are actually “less broad than people think.” He suggested that Iran would not want to escalate a conflict because 1) it still needs to export oil, 2) it would worry about “an even greater response” from Israel, 3) and it would worry about the U.S.’s response.
Bolton then concluded that Arab states would be excited if the U.S. or Israel attacked Iran:
I don’t think you’d hear the Arab states say this publicly, but they would be delighted if the United States or Israel destroyed the Iranian nuclear weapons capability.
Watch it:
Bolton has said he is backing John McCain because he would handle the Iranian nuclear program in a “stronger” way than the Bush administration.
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War with Iran's a done deal, folks...
It's just a matter of time.
If Obama "wins," they'll start it just to phuque him up.
If it's Bombin' Johnnie, he'll welcome the distraction.
The fix is in. The game is crooked. The deck is marked, shaved, and stacked. The dice are loaded. The wheels are rigged. The dealers cheat, and the chefs spit in the fondue...
June 22nd, 2008 at 12:42 pmCornered wild animals - the repugs are displaying their feral qualities.
June 22nd, 2008 at 12:44 pmJohn Conyers --- Ain't it time for the "I" word???
June 22nd, 2008 at 12:45 pmI keep picturing Milk Stache Bolton in a Nazi SS uniform, pounding the table, asking for more bombs on Poland.
June 22nd, 2008 at 12:47 pmPertaining to Bolton, as my Mother used to say, "He doesn't know sh*t from shinola nor his arse from a hole in the ground."
June 22nd, 2008 at 12:49 pmYou never hear anthing positive that any of this administration is doing. It's always beating the war drum or lying about it...all negitive.
You hear about a little peace breaking out in Palestine and you remember....oh yeah, Jimmy Carter is there now. hmm
We have a bunch of Jerry Springer drama queens running things. Their ego's have cost us enough. The country is quietly clammoring for change......hope we get it.
June 22nd, 2008 at 12:50 pmThe fix is in. The game is crooked. The deck is marked, shaved, and stacked. The dice are loaded. The wheels are rigged. The dealers cheat, and the chefs spit in the fondue…
June 22nd, 2008 at 12:51 pmIsn't it the role of congress to declare war on a sovereign country, not the President?
June 22nd, 2008 at 12:51 pmBolton suggested that Iran would not want to escalate a conflict because 1) it still needs to export oil, 2) it would worry about “an even greater response” from Israel, 3) and it would worry about the U.S.’s response.
- - Yeah, Bolton assumes there's a lot of rational, measured thinking in Iran, eh? What if they're as loopy as you, John?
June 22nd, 2008 at 12:52 pmFred Says:
We have a bunch of Jerry Springer drama queens running things. Their ego’s have cost us enough. The country is quietly clammoring for change……hope we get it.
And if we don't get that change, not only the US, but the entire world will be in even more danger of full blown world war under this Repug war machine.
June 22nd, 2008 at 12:53 pmWhy exactly should John Bolton know anything about what the administration is planning? Hasn't he been gone for over a year? I've always assumed that when you leave your security clearance vanishes. So who is whispering secrets into his ear violating their security agreement?
If he isn't part of the administration, you might just as well ask the Pursian rug murchant in the shop down the corner, what is going to happen Iran. At least they could tell you something about what is happening inside Iran.
June 22nd, 2008 at 12:56 pmBolton has said he is backing John McCain because he would handle the Iranian nuclear program in a “stronger” way than the Bush administration.
Listen up all those who think McCain is a moderate. This one of the rare occasions that Bolton is correct. McCain very much a foreign policy radical.
http://progressiveworldreview.com
June 22nd, 2008 at 12:59 pmYup, they are desperate. The neocons' fealty to Israel is completely blatant and obvious now.
June 22nd, 2008 at 1:02 pm@ 12: pseverinc Says:
Why exactly should John Bolton know anything about what the administration is planning? Hasn’t he been gone for over a year?
once you're in the Company, you're ALWAYS in the Company. Just ask Bush 41...
June 22nd, 2008 at 1:03 pm(Bolton) claimed that Iran’s options to retaliate after being attacked are actually “less broad than people think.”
Doesn't this statement kind of undermine their whole talking point of how dangerous the Iranians are?
On the one hand, Bolt-on says we have to bomb Iran because they're such a threat. But then, as a means of making an attack more palatable to those war-weary among us, he assures us that Iran would not want to escalate a conflict that was inflicted upon them.
Make sense to anybody?
If Iran would be reluctant to escalate a conflict when they are attacked, why in god's name would they seek to threaten us with a first strike?
How in the hell did this man ever achieve any kind of position of responsibility in life?
June 22nd, 2008 at 1:03 pmGuido the Loving OBGYN Says:
McCain is a moderate and a Maverick. Senator Brownback told me.
Johnny Boy is whatever he thinks he needs to be to get elected. He doesn't have one consistent stance on any issue of any importance.
I would have to say he is now the Supreme DC Whore.
June 22nd, 2008 at 1:04 pmSame sh¡t, different Neo-Con.
_AIO_
June 22nd, 2008 at 1:04 pmAgain, this is the old trick where they talk about something with an underlying assumption that is not true. It goes under the radar because nobody questions the underlying assumption.
IRAN HAS NO NUCLEAR WEAPONS CAPABILITY.
June 22nd, 2008 at 1:09 pmAnd evidence that they are developing weapons is very scant.
headybrew,
Let's not confuse the issue with facts.
June 22nd, 2008 at 1:12 pmWill Congress and the American public learn? We CANNOT claim self-defense against Iran having a nuclear missile until and unless it is on the launch pad and being fueled. Does anyone seriously believe Teheran would be that suicidal as to get their country destroyed for the possibility of getting one or even a few hits on Israel, which wouldn't destroy it? Every neocon goes on about how Ahmadinejad wants Israel "wiped off the map." Yeah, well, I want a solid gold mansion- ain't gonna happen.
June 22nd, 2008 at 1:16 pmThis administration knows that if they ever give up power, they will all end up on the dock in the Hague for war crimes and crimes against humanity.
They will destroy the country, and the entire planet, before they allow that to happen.
All because Americans voted for the guy they wanted to have a beer with.
June 22nd, 2008 at 1:17 pmNeocons never learn but then with a collective IQ below room temperature that is not surprising.
June 22nd, 2008 at 1:33 pmThomasMc Says:
"All because Americans voted for the guy they wanted to have a beer with."
Umm, NO. Remember this criminal administration stole the election.
June 22nd, 2008 at 1:33 pmWe tried to get rid of them then.
Bolton, why should we wage a war to please the Arab nations?
June 22nd, 2008 at 1:38 pmIt must be Sunday cause all the bush bott warmonger's are out in full force, in front of the televised cameramen and on the net preaching bull shit's favorite mantra..War, war and a third war... Pass the pop corn please, I want to be ready for the third reel....Blessings
June 22nd, 2008 at 1:43 pmYou took too much of your medication today. If Israel is involved then we are involved. It is the US and Israel tied at the hip and Israel is calling the shots.
June 22nd, 2008 at 1:52 pmRoger2,
Jayzus! This whole topic is about a politically driven decision to go to war with a sovereign nation, which has made NO threat to our country (Just like Iraq).
But you see it as disingenuous because it says 'might' and not'will'?
WOW!!
June 22nd, 2008 at 1:54 pmAnd the drumbeat of crapola spin beats on. Pass the popcorn please...
June 22nd, 2008 at 1:56 pmWhy are the neocons puzzled that their "Do-As-We-Say-Or-Else" style of foreign policy is not achieving the results they want? Why do they feel that military action is the only thing that will work, or that it will even achieve all of their goals? And why do they continue to deny being warmongers?
June 22nd, 2008 at 1:58 pmPresumably, the Arab states would be equally "delighted" to see Israel's nuclear weapons capability destroyed -- does that mean that it should be done?
June 22nd, 2008 at 1:59 pmWayne A. Schneider Says:
Why are the neocons puzzled that their “Do-As-We-Say-Or-Else” style of foreign policy is not achieving the results they want? Why do they feel that military action is the only thing that will work, or that it will even achieve all of their goals? And why do they continue to deny being warmongers?
And don't forget to add dual-citizenship, Chickenhawk war-mongers. None of them has ever served in the military and have no family involved either.
These Israel-ubber-all scumbags will sell the US down the river in a heartbeat.
June 22nd, 2008 at 2:00 pm"EVERYBODY KNOWS" by Leonard Cohen
June 22nd, 2008 at 2:01 pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h27HRNm_r4U
rogerse Says:
uh....they invaded Kuwait. Where were you?
June 22nd, 2008 at 2:11 pmRR: so when iraq only threatened Kuwait, all those nations shouldn’t have been involved?.
If only Bush 1 hadn't told April Glaspie that the US wouldn't get involved, and if she hadn't relayed that to Saddam, Gulf War 1 would never have happened.
Wingnuts always leave that part out; that Bush 1 was directly responsible for the war.
June 22nd, 2008 at 2:14 pmrogerse Says:
upside99 Says:
so when iraq only threatened Kuwait, all those nations shouldn’t have been involved?.
They INVADED Kuwait, dumbass.
June 22nd, 2008 at 2:15 pmGeez.
Kuwait was part of Iraq until the British took it away from Iraq in the 20's! Saddam was correct in wanting part of his country back,however he went about in the wrong way!
June 22nd, 2008 at 2:15 pmAre you REALLY that stupid, you POS racist a**hole? threatened Kuwait? threatened Kuwait? Seriously....you are one dumb motherf***er. Thanks for proving that fact.
June 22nd, 2008 at 2:17 pmrogerse Says:
upside99 Says:
so when Iraq only threatened Kuwait, all those nations shouldn’t have been involved?.
Two big differences: Kuwait WAS attacked by Iraq in the first conflict. ("The invasion of Kuwait by Iraqi troops was met with immediate economic sanctions against Iraq by some members of the UN Security Council, and with immediate preparation for war by the United States of America and the United Kingdom.") We weren't attacked by Iraq in the second one.
And, you said 'all those nations'. We actually had world and UN support in the first one, but almost none in the second and did not have UN sanctions to do it, either.
Two very different situations. Need to get your facts straight.
June 22nd, 2008 at 2:17 pmI think RR meant: "so when iraq threatened only Kuwait," but fumbled it.
June 22nd, 2008 at 2:17 pmHaving this nazi on TV is a waste of air time. If he is such a fan of war, I would suggest that he emigrate to either Israel or Iraq. That way he can get up close and personal with his war fantasies.
June 22nd, 2008 at 2:20 pmOK. This is the second time in two days I've had to eat my words after posting information from ThinkProgress.
Adopting Bill Kristol’s argument, Bolton suggested that an attack on Iran depends on who Americans elect as the next President:
Bolton says a lot of crap but he did not say that. All you have to do is listen to the interview or read the god damned transcript.
I'm about this close (holds two fingers a 1/4 inch apart) from considering ThinkProgress as an unreliable source of information. I want ammunition to use against rightwingers but when I have to backtrack and doublecheck everything you say you're not helping. You shouldn't have to do that. They say enough whacked out stuff every day.
Behaving like Republicans, lying and spinning statements, putting words in other's mouths ruins your credibility. (even if Bolton does believe it, which is true)
Can you read? Can you hear? Putting Kristol's words in his mouth is stupid. It makes your website look like Foxnews. I hate these motherlovers as much as anyone BUT YOU HAVE TO BE ACCURATE when you quote.
It burns my arse when I have to go back and apologize to idiot rightwingers for misquoting a braying arse like Bolton. Please, PLEASE make sure you are accurate. It means EVERYTHING.
By the way, I submitted this once with a couple of colorful words and it didn't post. I went back to edit and everything I wrote was gone. I saved this draft in case it didn't post. Your software really sucks big time.
June 22nd, 2008 at 2:21 pmIt the big scheme of things, it matters very little if Iran has nuclear facilities. The only nation that used nuclear weapons and still continues to use depleted uranium is the United States of America. The world should be imposing sanctioning the US.
Iran would not use nuclear weapons on its neighbors because the fallout would drift over Iran. There's absolutely no benefit to Iran to send nukes to Israel. This "be afraid" is nothing more than lies used to control the masses, us.
June 22nd, 2008 at 2:24 pmIsrael can defend itself. They have enough planes and atomic weapons to wipe the Middle East. They don't need us. They just enjoy stealing our tax dollars.
Frankly, I could think of better investments for my tax dollars than to send it off to Israel.
June 22nd, 2008 at 2:28 pmAren't nuclear warheads deterrents? Should not a nation with powerful enemies seeks deterrents or does this argument only work for Israel and the US?
June 22nd, 2008 at 2:30 pmartmann11 Says:
hey artman, if you can't hold your own agains the right today, the way things are then I probably can't help you but just to give you a little help I would ask you what do you think kristol meant? Could it have been the other way around? Did he really mean that it might happen if mccain got elected?........didn't think so.
June 22nd, 2008 at 2:31 pmHey trolls here's'a question for any of you honest enough to answer it:
June 22nd, 2008 at 2:32 pmWhy do the conservative sites censor what bloggers write to them, unlike sites like this one,that post both sides of the whining?
I'll be waiting for a honest answer!
rogerse Says:
so your glad iran knows we will defend isreal…
I'm merely pointing out that it was Bush who started the mess in the first place, so the war was mostly a grand CYA strategy, to get him out of historical hot water for not being more forceful with Saddam in the first place.
June 22nd, 2008 at 2:33 pm#17 ralph the wonder llama
(Bolton) claimed that Iran’s options to retaliate after being attacked are actually “less broad than people think.”
Doesn’t this statement kind of undermine their whole talking point of how dangerous the Iranians are?
...
My thoughts exactly
Bolton says Iran is irrational and superdangerous so the US and Israel must bomb them. But since Iran is not irrational nor superdangerous nobody needs to worry about retaliation.
I still have trouble grasping the fact this guy was actually US "ambassador" to the UN
June 22nd, 2008 at 2:36 pmedit: I meant bolton......they are so alike..
June 22nd, 2008 at 2:36 pmThis has nothing to do with any real threat from Iran but a collusion between the neocon BFFs here & in Israel joined in a pact to try to influence our Presidential election. Scum of the earth.
Ray McGovern's latest article is, as usual, right on target:
Bomb Iran? What’s to Stop Bush?
June 22nd, 2008 at 2:37 pm
Cat r FlyFishn,
June 22nd, 2008 at 2:40 pmI was told Iran had atomic-tipped contra-ballistic missiles,that they can launch from secret missile silo's from under the sub-continent of Atlantis,hidden from view in the Atlantic Ocean, right off Six Flags in New Jersey?
That's what Steve Doocy and his little Mini-Me sex-puppet Brian, talk about on Fox and Friends almost daily, you mean it's not true?
Attacking Iran gets Bolton's tiny wood stiff.
June 22nd, 2008 at 2:40 pmBolthead boldy states, "I don’t think you’d hear the Arab states say this publicly, but they would be delighted if the United States or Israel destroyed the Iranian nuclear weapons capability."
This coming from the guy and his pals who exclaimed to the world that Iraq had weapons of Mass Destruction including nuclear bombs which were imminently capable of destroying American cities.
Tell me again why anyone in their right effing mind thinks asshat Bolton has any credibility about anything??
Just saying . . .
June 22nd, 2008 at 2:42 pmkira, their solution is alway to vanquish.......evolution anyone?
I agree that invading Iran or North Korea will be death and destruction on a much high scale than the horror we have seen in Iraq.
June 22nd, 2008 at 2:42 pmIt's a ridiculous and dangerous prediction. The most the United States or Israel can manage at this point is airstrikes (maybe a limited special forces-type incursion that would be very temporary). The regional Iraq war (it is now regional because the Iranians are certainly involved in the way that the US was involved in the early stages of its involvement in Vietnam -- as advisers) will enlarge to include Israel and there is a real possibility that Iran will become openly engaged in Iraq if we or the Israelis attack Iran.
I think this sort of madness is beyond even George W. Bush.
June 22nd, 2008 at 2:48 pm#52 barfly Says:
rogerse Says:
so your glad iran knows we will defend isreal…
I’m merely pointing out that it was Bush who started the mess in the first place, so the war was mostly a grand CYA strategy, to get him out of historical hot water for not being more forceful with Saddam in the first place.
June 22nd, 2008 at 2:33 pm
#57 rogerse Says:
#52 barfly Says:
your saying he started it by not being protective enough, so what about now?.
June 22nd, 2008 at 2:40 pm
rogerse, learn how to read. barfly did not say that and you know it. Your "debate style" of oversimplifying what the other person says does not give any credence to your own viewpoint at all. In fact, I rarely see you back up your assertions. Instead, you twist the words used in response into another meaning and attack the position you yourself stated. When are you going to face the fact that you are wrong, and it appears that you are wrong because your entire premise of facts is flawed. You believe things that were never true, and you support and justify our nation's actions based on those falsehoods.
June 22nd, 2008 at 2:54 pmContrary to you confused reading of barfly's comment, the gist was NOT that bush I started it "by not being protective enough". That's just stupid.
Bush I started Gulf War I by essentially giving Saddam permission to invade Kuwait.
Sheesh.
June 22nd, 2008 at 2:57 pmWhere have all the trolls gone? How come none of them could answer my simple question at 2:32 PM #51?
June 22nd, 2008 at 2:58 pmDo you need a more simple question, with less big words in it, Please let me know, I'll re-phrase it for you simple, one track minds!
Heh, #58 RUCerious - true, true.
And Fred #60 - these neoCon Chickenhawks are afraid of their own shadows - so they shoot first & ask questions later.
Yes I do believe they are unevolved sociopaths.
June 22nd, 2008 at 3:00 pmA couple of Bolt-on's points that have gone unremarked:
I don’t think you’d hear the Arab states say this publicly, but they would be delighted if the United States or Israel destroyed the Iranian nuclear weapons capability.
Wasn't one of the neocon selling points of te invasion of Iraq that "Arab states would never admit to it, but they would celebrate the end of Saddam's reign"?
How well did that turn out?
and:
Bolton has said he is backing John McCain because he would handle the Iranian nuclear program in a “stronger” way than the Bush administration.
Yeah, as if the two candidates were essentially equal in the eyes of Bolt-on, but McSame's "stronger" stance toward Iran tips that very delicate balance. Otherwise, Bolt-on would totally support Barck, right?
June 22nd, 2008 at 3:01 pmThey remind me of the Three Stooges, except it's a whole gang.
June 22nd, 2008 at 3:03 pmBolton's Project for the New American Century's website failed to pay their bill. Did John's neo-con group hit hard times? If that's the case, one might expect Bolton to fall off the TV screen. Since he's still blabbing, I think they have something to hide:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/
June 22nd, 2008 at 3:11 pmI must have missed the news on the day that the Arab states became the 51st U.S. state. Who gives a @%!# about the Arab states "excitement"? If we really wanted to "excite the Arab states", we could attack Israel instead of Iran.
If this story turns out to be true, this will be yet another sea change by the Bush administration, with regard to a President's tenure and influence beyond his term.
Up to now, Presidents haven't embarked on "new projects" in the waning days of their administrations (particularly militarily), doing only the bare minimum (defensive only, certainly not "actions of choice") and leaving it for the next Commander-in-Chief.
All previous Presidents have recognized this as the territory of "stewardship" within the POTUS/CIC job description. You had your chance to design and shape the direction you believe the country ought to be headed in during your years of working with the Congress and from your bully pulpit talking to the American people. You may not unilaterally commit the nation to an irreversible path.
June 22nd, 2008 at 3:13 pmSo, are we to assume, the path is to get all the illegal dirty deeds done before the clean guy, who will abide by the Constitution is sworn in?
June 22nd, 2008 at 3:13 pmWait just a minute Fred. With all due respect, I can hold my own against any rightwinger. But not with half-truths and inaccurate information. You are misrepresenting what I said. I wasn't even talking about what Kristol meant.
Kristol DID SAY THAT. He brought up McCain and Obama. Yosemite Bolton DID NOT. OK? That's all I was pointing out.
I want accuracy, honesty and truth. I'm sick of spin. We don't need it to beat Republicans and shouldn't have to resort to it with the way they are self-destructing. (thank goodness) I want honesty and accuracy.
June 22nd, 2008 at 3:14 pmBOLTON SHOULD BE ARRESTED IMEDIATLY! This animal do not deserve one more minute of free time! If Isreal/US attacks Iran, thinking it will be a "piece of cake", they are as wrong as the US when they claimed "invading Iraq would be a cake walk", five years ago. WAR CRIMINALS!!!! How can they continue to be without accountability??!!!!! By that irresponsible statement alone, Iran has all the right to defend itself, and if Israel thinks they are going to be safer... We will miss the current oil prices!!! Please God, strike Bolton with a lightning, don't kill him imediatly, let this scum of the earth suffer for a week before finishing the job!
June 22nd, 2008 at 3:20 pmPlesa God... strike Rogearse too!!!
June 22nd, 2008 at 3:21 pmIn 2003 the Saudi's warned that invading Iraq would destabilize the region. That prediction came true.
Vice President Cheney made his latest war tour through the Middle East.
http://www.leadingtowar.com/
The neo-con press line has more than one group suggesting Iran's retaliatory options are limited. Two think tankers comment in an Israeli newspaper via the link below:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/985895.html
Guess who sits on the board of this think tank? Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, and James Woolsey. They're all John Bolton's fellow PNAC'ers. Pay close attention folks, the Iraqi liars are back, and in full on rage mode. "They won't go out incompetent failures...."
June 22nd, 2008 at 3:23 pmThe PNAC authors are certainly in the know today... Kristol...Bolton.
Each time I see Bolton, I am reminded of the group of criminal thugs he was with pounding on the election doors in FL '00 yelling stop the vote! Isn't it clear to all now what this has been all about?
June 22nd, 2008 at 3:25 pmsacopenapa says:
How can they continue to be without accountability?
Because the war criminals in this administration saw what "accountabiluty" means to dems thanks to Pelosi, Reid, Hoyer, Rockefeller et.al. gutless legalizing of illegal behavior (re: telecom immunity).
It's only going to get worse, I'm afraid. Pelosi and Reid could not have given a greener light to these f***s to do whatever they want to if they tried.
June 22nd, 2008 at 3:30 pmWho in their right minds would believe anything these people have to say - Bolton, Kristol, Bush, Cheney, etc., etc. Iraq was going to be a cakewalk, over in a couple of weeks, Iraqi oil would pay for it, we would be welcomed as liberators, mission accomplished. Well okay, people in their Right Wing minds, but no one with a sound mind.
June 22nd, 2008 at 3:32 pmsacopenapa Says:
BOLTON SHOULD BE ARRESTED IMMEDIATELY! This animal does not deserve one more minute of free time!
I have often wondered why he was not arrested during election '00 when he was caught on tape pounding on the election doors in FL yelling stop the vote. He is part of the PNAC crowd... this illegal war and prewar activity is boldly in our face and no Congress to intervene.
June 22nd, 2008 at 3:42 pmFOX should be closed down and Murdock arrested!!!
June 22nd, 2008 at 3:47 pmIf people were informed with real news, Congress would be surrounded by a crowd of CITZENS demanding Impeachment, the resignation of Pelosi and Reid and the restoring of Law and order. We would see a line up of War Criminals handcuffed starting from Bush & Chenney, going thruough Rice, Yoo, Perle, wolfowitz, Feith... all the way down to Perino, who knowingly lies to the people of the former USA.
June 22nd, 2008 at 3:52 pmBolton is right the Arab states will be delighted. An attack on Iran would drive oil prices up another $30 or $40 a barrel at least. Just think of all the money they would have coming in.
June 22nd, 2008 at 3:52 pmUm. If the "Arab nations" were "excited" by our efforts in the region; would they not be supporting our efforts in Iraq?
June 22nd, 2008 at 3:55 pmIf Iran is attacked, we will miss the current oil prices, but Kranzy, on the argument of the money coming in... if there is anything left afterwoods to be enjoyed, I agree. However, even the dust will be contaminated with radiation. Perhaps the Arab cocoroaches, when they evolve their brains (at this stage they are already smarter than Bush!) they will enjoy all that revenue...
June 22nd, 2008 at 3:57 pmBolton tries to float another fascist balloon...
What planet is this right-wing dingbat residing on? The Arab States are going to "be delighted with" more Zionist imperial aggression from Israel? Sixty years of Israeli theft of Arab land and Arab water. Seventy-five years of Western (UK, France, Netherlands and USA) helping themselves to Arab oil.
June 22nd, 2008 at 3:58 pmOops! And. It might be a good idea to take Arab leaders, who have said they would oppose military action against Iran, at face value. Our track record at predicting Arab responses doesn't bode well for future efforts.
June 22nd, 2008 at 3:59 pmpete:
June 22nd, 2008 at 4:01 pmTotally off topic but in keeping with earlier discussions of changing species distribution and abundance and a shared sense of wonder, 3 Mississippi kite have appeared here. It is the first confirmed sighting in the state and weird thing is two of them are working on a nest. The presence of the third is confusing. I am guessing it may be kin or something but still it is weird. As far as I knew the most nothern nesting was previously VA. I am headed to see them on Tuesday. Thought you might find this interesting
Russia, China and others must be getting a bit angry as they have been excluded in oil contracts with Iraq and now see the PNACers warmongering over Iran. Are we not in deep sh!t?
June 22nd, 2008 at 4:09 pmartman11,
So how do you interpret Bolton's statement:
"And [Israel would] have to make a judgment whether to go during the remainder of President Bush’s term in office or wait for his successor."
Doesn't this mean that Israel will take into consideration the result of the elections to determine whether or not to attack Iran? What does successor mean to you?
June 22nd, 2008 at 4:11 pmsacopenapa Says:
If the Bush and co are stupid enough to use nuclear weapons to attack Iran. Kiss everything goodbye. We would be lucky to not be living in the dark ages at that point. Oil prices would skyrocket to the point of destroying the world economy. An attack using conventional weapons would drive up oil prices badly.
The issue the conservatives seem to be ignoring, is an attack on Iran would for national security reason be an attack on China. What happens if China starts calling in the markers on all the money the US owes them? We for a number of reasons cannot attack Iran. The only people who seem to think we can are the piss soaked trolls.
June 22nd, 2008 at 4:12 pmWhile "off topic" is a topic ...
ACLU has prepared a form you can fill out & it will automatically send to your Senators:
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June 22nd, 2008 at 4:13 pm
Ultra Neocon Michael Ledeen says that "real men go to Tehran", part of the PNAC's plan for "securing the realm". Bush answers his phone calls.
June 22nd, 2008 at 4:14 pmGeorge W. Bush wants to be a "real man". His daddy had 2 wars. Junior wants to one-up Poppy. Junior wants 3.
Any US or Israeli attack on Iran will result in $20.00 a gallon gasoline within a month of the straits of Hormuz being shut down by Iranian sinking of oil transports.
The Shiite militias, if turned against American troops in Iraq in an all out assault would cause major casualties, perhaps up to 10,000 - 15,000 troops.
Utter chaos. All because BushitCo and friends need to get their rocks off.
June 22nd, 2008 at 4:17 pmShit.
artmann11 Says:
"It burns my arse when I have to go back and apologize to idiot rightwingers for misquoting a braying arse like Bolton.'
Thinkprogress merely interpreted his words as a suggestion that Israel would attack depending on which President we elect, they didn't actually quote anything to that effect.
You need not be so hasty next time you take someones interpretation as a fact. Judge for yourself, don't let Thinkprogress do all the thinking for you.
June 22nd, 2008 at 4:29 pmdbadass Says
June 22nd, 2008 at 4:34 pmpete:
June 22nd, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Cool db. I do love raptors. Even the little ones. Of course, living in the Upper Mississippi River Refuge, I'm spoiled.
rogerse,
Why would you -or any other reichwinger- be so concerned about key European allies?
Didn't Bush, your authoritarian father figure, already wrote them off as "Old Europe"?
Don't you think relationships with those key European allies has already been strained after years of heaping verbal abuse on "Old Europe"?
It's a little late for you to be concerned about relationships with European allies, don't you think? Too little, too late.
June 22nd, 2008 at 4:35 pmOnce again, the U.S.A. has suckered Israel into doing its dirty work.
June 22nd, 2008 at 4:39 pmC'mon rog. Haven't you been listening to Bill0? France and Germany=Anti-American!
BTW, if Germany is so against Iran's nuclear program; why are they supplying the technology?
June 22nd, 2008 at 4:40 pmBolton is one blood-thirsty, crazed animal. He acts as though the rest of the world doesn't even exist. A pre-emptive strike on Iran would have massive, negative consequences for the rest of the world, possibly tipping it into depression and retaliation by unknown countries in unknown ways. And to think, this guy represented our nation at the United Nations for nearly a year.
June 22nd, 2008 at 4:41 pmartmann11,
C'mon -don't be such a concern troll.
What do you think Bolton meant by "next President", and "his successor"?
Wasn't he talking about, well, the next US president? Doesn't that refer to McCain, Obama, or the eventual independent candidate? No? If not, then who?
June 22nd, 2008 at 4:41 pmI'm dead ass certain, those countries down wind from the nuclear fallout that will certainly be blown their way won't be 'delighted'.
June 22nd, 2008 at 4:53 pmIsn't it funny how "European officials" have adopted right-wing talking points and language?
Can anyone explain to me why "without preconditions" is some sort of signla that we're inviting the other side to stick our head in the toilet?
What kind of "preconditions" would make the neocons and trolls happy?
What kind of "preconditions" would make the difference between "tough talk" and "appeasement"?
June 22nd, 2008 at 5:11 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
rogerse Says:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp-dyn/ content/ article/ 2008/ 06/ 21/ AR2008062101658.html
European officials are increasingly concerned that Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign pledge to begin direct talks with Iran on its nuclear program without preconditions could potentially rupture U.S. relations with key European allies early in a potential Obama administration.
Isn’t it funny how “European officials” have adopted right-wing talking points and language?
Can anyone explain to me why “without preconditions” is some sort of signla that we’re inviting the other side to stick our head in the toilet?
What kind of “preconditions” would make the neocons and trolls happy?
What kind of “preconditions” would make the difference between “tough talk” and “appeasement”?
June 22nd, 2008 at 5:11 pm
I know! I know! "Preconditions" is code for "preferred access to oil".
June 22nd, 2008 at 5:15 pmThe only movie NeoCons were allowed to watch when they were growing up was Dr. Strange Love, so now they all want to be Tex Ritter.
June 22nd, 2008 at 5:26 pmFormer UNCONFIRMED U.N. Ambassador John Bolton. I wish people would get this right. This guy never held the position, legally and was given a temporary recess appointment to the job by his friend, Bush. When that expired, Congress had already held back his confirmation.
June 22nd, 2008 at 5:30 pmRe: He [Bolton] suggested that Iran would not want to escalate a conflict...
So he thinks Iran will just sit and take whatever Israel (or America) throws at them? A "thank you sir, may I have another" type response?
June 22nd, 2008 at 5:31 pmSo when do we open up a southern front? Chavez has really been getting a little threatening don't you think? Everything changed after 911. We really can't afford to wait now can we...
June 22nd, 2008 at 5:39 pmHow about that northern front for those cheeky damn Canucks, dbadass! Their loonie mocks us daily!
June 22nd, 2008 at 5:41 pmRUCerious makes a strong case. And besides their cavalier attitude toward soft porn threatens the very fabric of society. Oh and don't they have some seriously polluting oil sands or shales or some such shit we can leach some hydrocarbons from?
June 22nd, 2008 at 5:48 pmThe world would be a better place without John Bolton.
June 22nd, 2008 at 5:48 pmThe neocons and IAPAC will hold the American people hostage if what he says is true. I'm not for believing they would not. But do I believe john bolton, no. He is the con's front man. A super con so to speak. And the msm only loves him for their bottom line.
June 22nd, 2008 at 6:03 pmphooee. my ears do not respond.
My starting line-up of the Washington Warprofiteers at the Haag-
Joe Lieberman - LF
June 22nd, 2008 at 6:05 pmAri Fleisher - CF
John Bolton - RF
Don Rumsfied - 1B
George Tenent - 2B
Billy Kristol - SS
Mike Ledeen - 3B
GW Bush - P
David Brooks - C
John McCain - Closer
Dick Cheney - Manager
Condi Rice - Bat Girl
R.Limbaugh. M.Savage, B. O'Reilly - Umpires
George HW Bush - Owner*
* COO of the Investment Consortium - Kingdom Holdings
Bystander, if you play an AL team you'll need a designated bullshitter, may I suggest Duggie Feith?
June 22nd, 2008 at 6:09 pm#2 Guido, are you joking, or just Sundaygonecrazy?
June 22nd, 2008 at 6:18 pmReady to come off the bench is Paul Wolfowitz. And he's back in the game with Iran given his State Department position.
Today's Jerusalem Post had a piece that definitively concluded Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a modern Hitler intent on genocide.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1213794295236&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
We have rhetoric, military exercises, and a bunch of talking heads suggesting a November time frame. Guess what, Olmert and Bush need some element of surprise and you know George W.'s hair trigger. They might just pick a hot month to create their literal hell.
June 22nd, 2008 at 6:18 pm"you know john no one's going to take you seriously with that big walrus mustache of yours. you look like the guy on the pringles can!"
– douglas j. feith, under secretary of defense for policy
June 22nd, 2008 at 6:20 pmToday’s Jerusalem Post had a piece that definitively concluded Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a modern Hitler intent on genocide.
Ah, the JP, that reknowned bastion of fair and balanced reporting on Middle Eastern geopolitik!
June 22nd, 2008 at 6:22 pmUhmmmmmm.... Not.
statediv says
They might just pick a hot month to create their literal hell.
Like September, early in the month, say, on or about the eleventh?
June 22nd, 2008 at 6:23 pmWhat's another war for Israel?
A war here, a war there, and pretty soon you have a nice big war happening...
On behalf of Israel and AIPAC (and now J-Street), I want to thank you Americans for being the stupidest patsies errrr the best supporters of Israel one can ask for.
June 22nd, 2008 at 6:33 pmI don't get it. Don't the Jews know that the one thing that could set people off against the Jews is attacking Iran? I thought they were supposed to be brilliant minds.
I hope they have a place to hid.
June 22nd, 2008 at 6:48 pmLet's not confuse all jews with the right wing likud party.
It's the millenialists in all Abrahamic Religions that are the Problem....whether they are searching for the Messiah, the 12th Immam, or the Promised Land.
Israel needs to stop building settlements, stay on their side of the border, and make peace with their Neighbors.
The Arabs and Persians need to recognize that Israel exists, and is not going anywhere.
The truce between Hamas and Israel is a small step in the right direction....a step away from Armageddon.
June 22nd, 2008 at 6:59 pmOff topic, but using my Make up a Thinkfast thread on your own card,
Here's a doozy HT to firedoglake
National Poll Shows That Latino Voters Favor Obama Over McCain
June 16, 2008
Latino voters favor Obama over McCain, according to Latino Decisions Poll.
A new national survey of Latino voters shows Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama with a nearly 3-to-1 advantage over his rival, Republican John McCain.
The survey found that 60 percent of Latinos planned to vote for Obama, compared to 23 percent for McCain, while 16 percent were undecided. Latino Decisions, a collaboration between Pacific Market Research and University of Washington political scientists Matt Barreto and Gary Segura, conducted the poll by telephone June 1–12.
Complete article here
June 22nd, 2008 at 7:09 pmRucerious,
I'm not at all surprised at the survey results of Latino Voters. We can all thank GOP TV (aka Fox News) and its Rabid anti- Immigrant personalities and programming.
June 22nd, 2008 at 7:14 pmBadger, I gotta wonder if the Florida polls I've seen lately with Obama even or ahead are reflecting that? The article said they polled 800 Latinos, but didn't mention any geographic demography...
June 22nd, 2008 at 7:20 pmAnd again, off topic, but too good to pass up, Professor Juan Cole, on the American media's nonstory of the continuing human cost of the Iraq occupation.
June 22nd, 2008 at 7:25 pmHeadliner ~ The Real State of Iraq
Worth a read
The Arab League offered a peace plan in 2002 which met all of Israel's major demands.
http://www.saudiembassy.net/2002News/Statements/StateDetail.asp?cIndex=152
June 22nd, 2008 at 7:27 pmRucerious,
Florida, or course, is a special case with a huge Cuban Population. It is the older Cubans, who were actually born in Cuba, that are most likely to be die hard republicans..the younger generation...not so much.
By the way, did you see the joint news conference with Sen. McCain and Gov. Crist where they favored off shore oil drilling. Florida's Governor looked like he just ate a worm.
June 22nd, 2008 at 7:29 pmIs anyone worried Obama may be doing too well for his own good... from this the repukes still have plenty of time to toss McCain out and get a fresh new face?
June 22nd, 2008 at 7:29 pmhad enough, I don't think that's gonna happen. Too conspiratorial, too many blabbermouth drunkfu(ks would have spilled the beans by now.
McIIIrd goes to the convention, gets nominated, gets trounced, they get to pick someone else in four years.
I think as the repuglycans survey the damage from BushitCo, the mood and state of the nation, McIIIrd is their sacrificial goat for this cycle.
June 22nd, 2008 at 7:38 pmJust my 2.675 cents.
McCain may drop out for health reasons, but he is the Republicans best shot.
Have you seen his new commercials. If you didn't know otherwise, you'd think HE was the Democrat. He Hates War. He Puts Down Tough Talk about War (ie. Bush) and He's Pro environment. Needless to say, President Bush does not appear in any of them.
A traditional Republican would get trounced even worse than McCain will. Witness Mitt Romney.
June 22nd, 2008 at 7:42 pmOf course, everyone is always "delighted" to be attacked by the US. That's because we are so altruistic and we obviously are the good guys. Iran having the #3 oil reserves in the world has nothing to do with it [snark].
June 22nd, 2008 at 7:45 pmAnd the idiots in this country may just vote in McCain who supports this disastrous war with Iran. WTF is wrong with people? I really need to move somewhere else
June 22nd, 2008 at 7:46 pmAzureBob ~ take heart! Check This Out.
June 22nd, 2008 at 7:50 pmthis:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20080616/cm_huffpost/107236
and especially this:
Bush: Brother Jeb would be ‘great president’
may be something to worry about.
June 22nd, 2008 at 7:53 pmhad enuff, I discount the conjecture in the first link as just speculation on the author's part. Fat cats wouldn't be donating to McIIIrd as a dropout candidate.
June 22nd, 2008 at 7:59 pmI do however, see Jebediah as a 2012 repuke contender.
had enuff, I'm trying to look up Steve Rosenbaum's credentials and am having some duplicates come up. Is he the MTV guy>?
June 22nd, 2008 at 8:01 pmno clue
June 22nd, 2008 at 8:09 pmBadger says:
McCain may drop out for health reasons, but he is the Republicans best shot.
The VP choices of both candidates may - this election - be the most important in our nation's history because there is the very real possibility neither candidate will complete one term.
McInsane may drop dead because of his age/health, Obama because of the bigots, hatemongers and lunatic fringe wingnuts whose greatest fear is our nation achieving success, progress and civility under our first black president and will stop at nothing to prevent that from happening.
June 22nd, 2008 at 8:09 pmI don’t think you’d hear the Arab states say this publicly, but they would be delighted if the United States or Israel destroyed the Iranian nuclear weapons capability.
You of course , being such an expert on Middle East society , trends , and thought , blockhead...........
June 22nd, 2008 at 8:13 pmYeah, McMetal, I don't think you'd hear the Arab states that this privately either. They might, however, remind us that Bolt-on is a freak.
June 22nd, 2008 at 8:23 pmI do however, see Jebediah as a 2012 repuke contender.
I don't think even Steven King could convincingly write that horror story. Some of the damage Bush has done won't appear for years to come, and republicans would be fools to put their eggs in that rotten basket, knowing the bottom could fall out with no warning, with another reputation-damaging revelation...
...What am I saying? After George, they must be so used to sudden PR explosions, by this time, they're like political Human Cannonballs.
June 22nd, 2008 at 8:23 pmhad enough, gotta wonder about his cred. Just because Arianna has him on the Huffpo isn't enough for me.
June 22nd, 2008 at 8:25 pmAlso, check out this article on truthout.com
The Real McCain
After reading this, you tell me if this is a guy who'd 'step aside'.?
June 22nd, 2008 at 8:28 pmRUCerious Says:
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Yeah, McMetal, I don’t think you’d hear the Arab states that this privately either. They might, however, remind us that Bolt-on is a freak.
June 22nd, 2008 at 8:23 pm
The Arab states would be well-served to remind the entire US population that Bolt-on and William the Effeminate are both about as correct as a Chimpy public speaking engagement........
June 22nd, 2008 at 8:53 pmIf Israel wants to nuke the ME and move on, it's only right that Iran has nukes too to protect their land.
June 22nd, 2008 at 8:54 pmWhere do I apply for Bolton's job--God?
June 22nd, 2008 at 8:57 pmMore stinkin lies from Bolton and the evil Neo-Cons.
Iran is not such a threat that diplomacy couldn't handle the situation. (remember Soviet Russia and China?)
If Bush and the wingnuts unleash WW3 EVERYBODY's lives will turn to bloody disaster and misery.
This is why the evil Republicans are called the "Lunatic Fringe".
June 22nd, 2008 at 8:58 pmPlease tell me again why some white folks are scared Rev. Wright, but not chimpy, dick, or bolton?
Where is the logic?
June 22nd, 2008 at 8:59 pm2 things about the comments by Kristol and Bolton: 1) they are being made to keep upping the price of a barrel of oil especially since Saudi Arabia has announced an increase in production, and 2) I think it's time to lock these guys up in the looney bin. After all, Halliburton has built these detention centers--lock up these neo-cons to protect this country.
June 22nd, 2008 at 8:59 pmRU=
I don't believe McCain himself would decide to drop out... but I put nothing past the GOPpers. They will DO ANYTHING to win. If by chance Obama becomes an assassination victim, once again it is to the GOPpers I will place the blame, not some hot headed racist madman that will be set up as the fall guy.
Years on work, such as Newt's Contract for America, PNAC, have gone into the neocon corporate trend and they know and fear Obama will put a halt to it. Also, Obama has stated he will prosecute any wrong doing found in the previous administration and that is another reason he needs to watch his back every minute.
June 22nd, 2008 at 9:11 pmPlease stop with the Sen. Obama assassination bs, it's like you are wishfully thinking about his death. Sick!
mcchimpy couldn't win if he was the last person on earth.
June 22nd, 2008 at 9:17 pmIf by chance...are you out of your fn brain cell?
STFU had, cause I had enough of your shit.
June 22nd, 2008 at 9:19 pmAre you going to be hanging out here for awhile yet, G of L?
June 22nd, 2008 at 9:29 pmI suppose I could find some other things to do....
Sup Nevar?
June 22nd, 2008 at 9:32 pmKlem Kiddilehopper Says:
Kuwait was part of Iraq until the British took it away from Iraq in the 20’s! Saddam was correct in wanting part of his country back,however he went about in the wrong way!
The US used to be Native American land, some tribes were functional democracies as well, before the British came and took it away too. Are you suggesting the US be returned to the Native Americans to? We would be pretty happy with that,seeing the mess the big Chief in Washington has made of the place. Anyone with a brain could do better than the Robber Barons in Washington now. Both parties.
June 22nd, 2008 at 9:32 pmGame of Life Says: mcchimpy couldn’t win if he was the last person on earth.
Right. Unfortunately the reTHUGS own the blackbox voting machines and KKKarl still controls "The Math."
That's why we must have a veritable Tsunami of votes to prevent the grand theft again.
June 22nd, 2008 at 9:39 pmThe Neo-Nitwits at PNAC just never quit. It's World Domination 24/7/365. They all think they are "The Brain", but we all know that they are much more like "Pinky".
And Bolton, (cuckoo cuckoo)his only claim to fame was his temporary placement as UN Ambassador, temporary, because even ReThuglins wouldn't vote for him, and he looks like Captain Kangaroo. My apologies to the Keeshan family.
Pinky: "Gee Brain, what do you want to do tonight?"
June 22nd, 2008 at 9:44 pmThe Brain: "The same thing we do every night, Pinky- try to take over the world."
So true Kira.
June 22nd, 2008 at 9:45 pmJohn Bolton using Republican-Speak.
Republican-Speak???
Well, that's when you can't tell out of which end the Republican is speaking.
June 22nd, 2008 at 9:48 pmbolton isn't a part of chimpy's bootlicking squad? he sounds like he's been brief on the going ons.
June 22nd, 2008 at 9:48 pmGame of Life Says:
bolton isn’t a part of chimpy’s bootlicking squad?
Bolton was/is in PNAC, like Cheney, Rumsfeld, Kristol, a list of most of the criminals of the Bush Administration. Bolton is a hardcore neocon.
June 22nd, 2008 at 10:04 pmBradblog did a write up on CrazieMan John Dolton back in '05:
"Never mind the allegations that he abused his wife by forcing her to participate in group sex. Never mind the allegations that he abused his position to spy on other government officials who opposed him at various times. One might also feel inclined to ignore the 43 former U.S. ambassadors who have added their names to a letter signed earlier by 59 ex-ambassadors opposing Bolton's nomination (most of whom served in Republican administrations, according to AP.)"
June 22nd, 2008 at 10:13 pmLaw School to Plan Bush War Crimes Prosecution
June 22nd, 2008 at 10:20 pm
The Iranians aren't building nuclear weapons. They are making nuclear fuel for power plants. Uranium for power plants is enriched to about 5%. Nuclear fuel for bombs is enriched to about 90%. It is the difference between a Model-T and a rocket ship to the moon.
Why does no one ever mention this fact?
June 22nd, 2008 at 10:20 pmIn the late 1970s, Bolton was a top legal advisor to the extreme racist Republican, Senator Jesse Helms of NC. A description of Bolton’s political extremism records, “A veteran of Southern electoral campaigns, Bolton has long appealed to racist voters.” (John Bolton, Right Web) During the 2000 Florida vote fiasco, working under Jim Baker, he led the so-called “white collar riot” that brought a halt to the counting of ballots in Florida.
Throughout the 1980s, Bolton was a leader of Republican Party efforts to undermine voting rights for minorities.
In the mid-1990s, Bolton was involved in a political money-laundering scandal that opened a channel for funds from Taiwan to Republican candidates. (ibid.) Prior to his appointment as UN Ambassador, Bolton was deeply involved in the Bush administration’s overt campaign to undermine international law.
Bolton masterminded the systematic abrogation of several key international treaties including: the 1972 Biological Weapons Convention; the Anti-Ballistic Missile treaty; the Rome Statute that established the International Criminal Court and the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty.
During his work for the Reagan administration, Bolton supported the Nicaraguan contras and sought to deny federal investigators access to key evidence in the Iran Contra scandal. (John Bolton, Officialssay)
Personal scandals have also tarnished John Bolton. A woman accused him of hostile intimidation that led to a case of sexual discrimination. Larry Flynt published evidence that Bolton’s first marriage had collapsed after he forced his wife to have group sex at Plato’s Retreat during the Reagan administration. (Rawstory)
June 22nd, 2008 at 10:21 pmMore Here
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Game of Life Says:
Please stop with the Sen. Obama assassination bs, it’s like you are wishfully thinking about his death. Sick!
mcchimpy couldn’t win if he was the last person on earth.
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Game of Life Says:
If by chance…are you out of your fn brain cell?
STFU had, cause I had enough of your shit.
Hey GLS.... don't like my posts, then do not read them. No one is forcing your eye balls to read what had enough has to say... so who needs to STFU.. damn you are a STUPID FOOL.
June 22nd, 2008 at 10:23 pmSo says THE most incompetent "diplomat" in our Nation's history.
June 22nd, 2008 at 10:23 pmThanks for that, Max-1 !!
Shoeless ... because it would spoil everything?
June 22nd, 2008 at 10:24 pmHe's a modern day Ribbentrop, who got a rope that this tool richly deserves.
June 22nd, 2008 at 10:24 pm#164,The re-pukes and the MSM don`t want everyone to know this small little teensy weensy factamundo.....
June 22nd, 2008 at 10:30 pmThere are volumes and volumes of those teensy weensy factamundos the M$M & neo-CONS keep out of sight ... why else would they spend 5 months at a time on Michael Jackson or the runaway bride 24/7?
Keep the herd entertained then they won't think about what they're not tellin' them.
June 22nd, 2008 at 10:50 pmActually, the Iranian nuclear power plants are a danger to their neighbors and their own population. I don't think they should be building them.
McCain's Nuclear Power Policy Identical to Bush Administration's
GOP Presidential candidate John McCain’s ambitious plan to build 45 new nuclear reactors by 2030 as a means to combat global warming and add juice to the power grid is a policy ripped from the Bush administration’s failed National Energy Policy, first introduced by Vice President Dick Cheney during the height of the California energy crisis seven years ago.
June 22nd, 2008 at 10:56 pmShoeless - with all the solar energy available - all we need is efficient solar concentrators, storage of the heat i.e. water pipes along with wind, water or other energy generation for the dark hours. We really don't need dangerous nuclear power.
My current favorite car invention is the air car -- Zero Pollution Motors
June 22nd, 2008 at 11:05 pmIf Brazil is using 100% ethanol in all of their cars, why can't we? I believe they derive all of it from sugar cane.
June 22nd, 2008 at 11:18 pmWhy is my post waiting for moderation? Could it be my spelling?
June 22nd, 2008 at 11:22 pmok, so he doesn't know squat about foreign policy.
but he did invent olestra.
that counts for something,
doesn't it?
^
good luck.
*
June 22nd, 2008 at 11:25 pmMost of the US in unsuitable for growing sugar cane. However, there is an incredible capacity to do so in Cuba. If we weren't being ruled by brain dead right-wingers, we could be importing massive amounts of sugar cane from Cuba to make ethanol. It is 8 times more efficient than making ethanol from corn.
Republicans won't allow us to do so.
Republican economics 101.
June 22nd, 2008 at 11:26 pmThanks Wayne for the info. I thought for sure he is a ranking chimpy official. PNAC means world dominance. Why is this fool allowed to go around like he's chimpy's war czar? Disgraceful.
So his loyalty lies with his greed for oil and definitely not to making us safe. Go figure.
June 22nd, 2008 at 11:29 pmHere is my favorite, Helium 3.
Researchers and space enthusiasts see helium-3 as the perfect fuel source.
June 22nd, 2008 at 11:30 pmDon't call me a fool when you believe my nick is GLS. the "s" stands for says.
June 22nd, 2008 at 11:31 pmKira, Get out of here. Illicit sex and repugs?
Group sex? Dang thanks for the info. Why is he on talking head shows like he's god gift? All PNAC signers knew PNAC isn't in the best interest of the US. So where is that "Rev. Wright Rage?"
June 22nd, 2008 at 11:37 pmGame of Life Says:
Why is my post waiting for moderation? Could it be my spelling?
Your behavior towards my post was inappropriate... could be you wrote another offensive post.
I meant no offense in my concern about Obama... I am probably one of the more supportive of Obama that posts here. But I do have my fears... one is that you can not bear to hear and another is we are going to bomb Iran.
Personally, I feel burying our heads in the sand and pretending things will not happen is not the way to handle future possible problems. During the rally in Portland Oregon, where a record 75,000 attended, I feel security should have done a better job.
June 22nd, 2008 at 11:39 pmHelium-3 ... hadn't seen that yet. Thanks for the link.
Hell yea, let's strip mine the moon! [Just kidding ... sorta] I mean, the moon is pretty important to us ... maybe some strip mining wouldn't throw it out of kilter and if done properly, we could be working on using all types of alternative energy.
I like getting off the grid, except to funnel extra back in. But, haha - they got rid of Tesla because his research was meant to be free electricity to everybody.
June 22nd, 2008 at 11:40 pmthat teen pregnancy pact?
john bolton fathered them all!
stud.
good luck.
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June 22nd, 2008 at 11:41 pmGame of Life .. surely you jest ?! I wouldn't be able to post the complete list of repugs involved in illicit sex. You know GOP stands for the Gross Old Perverts, right?
June 22nd, 2008 at 11:43 pmJoe Cantwell - funny stuff. In fact there's a lot of good humor here tonight. Actually I'm occasionally ROTFL!
Much appreciated in these seriously disturbing times.
June 22nd, 2008 at 11:47 pmkira,
thanks!
kira is a lovely name.
good cheer to you too.
go see "kit kittredge" it's a nice movie.
ooops! gortta go,
my crab cakes are ready!
good luck
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June 22nd, 2008 at 11:52 pmKira,
June 22nd, 2008 at 11:52 pmIt wouldn't exactly be strip mining, in the sense of plowing down the mountains in West Virginia. Nonomachines will be used to extract various elements from the lunar surface. Moon colonies will be dependent on nanomachines to extract everything from oxygen and hydrogen(for breathing, bathing, and drinking), to aluminum, and of course the cash crop, helium 3. Silicone will be extracted to produce solar cells to run the whole operation.
kira,
sorry,
gortta s/b gotta.
best.
^
June 22nd, 2008 at 11:56 pmJoe .. Ooo, crab cakes. Yum-Yum! I'll probably enjoy the movie, I was a Nancy Drew fan - thanks.
Shoeless .. That sounds like a worthy endeavor. I sure would like to see some of the wasted trillion$ spent on something humanitarian for a change.
June 23rd, 2008 at 12:00 amHAHAHAHA
No Kira. I know they are pervs.
I did know about Glenn Murphy
June 23rd, 2008 at 12:03 amkira,
like nancy drew, kit's a pretty sharp detective too.
pic is very pro rooseveldt and new deal too!
time for the crab cakes,
and tartar sauce too.
good luck.
*
June 23rd, 2008 at 12:08 amshoeless, the universe if for the repug taking without fear of dire consequences. repugs are so out of balance.
June 23rd, 2008 at 12:11 amSo, the Helium-3 is very interesting, but seems a bit in the future.
What I would like to see is an affordable kit the majority of us could start using right away. So many of the alternative energy kits are just too expensive for most people. We really need some solutions to get ourselves off the petroleum products. [Bite me ExxonMobil!]
It can be done with some of the inventions already up & working.
We just need to get started & thumb our noses at the filthy oil & gas corporations.
June 23rd, 2008 at 12:18 amKira Says:
So, the Helium-3 is very interesting, but seems a bit in the future.
What I would like to see is an affordable kit the majority of us could start using right away. So many of the alternative energy kits are just too expensive for most people. We really need some solutions to get ourselves off the petroleum products. [Bite me ExxonMobil!]
It can be done with some of the inventions already up & working.
We just need to get started & thumb our noses at the filthy oil & gas corporations.
amen to that.
(it bears repeating.)
good luck.
*
June 23rd, 2008 at 12:21 amBut before the Arabs get all delighted and stuff, we'll be greeted as liberators. Right? Right? Bolton?
June 23rd, 2008 at 12:27 amGame of Life - Gooper somnambulist sex - well, that's a new one. And, I did figure you were joking! I mean ... hardly a week goes by without one of 'em getting arrested.
And you're right about the repugs being users [and abusers] without conscience.
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joe - stop with the menu already. You're making me hungry!
June 23rd, 2008 at 12:28 amYes, fusion reactors, moon colonies, and nanomachines are a bit in the future. However, they are technologically feasible. Now is the time to start. Instead of subsidizing oil companies, we should do as John Kennedy said, and "Go to the moon, not because it is easy, but because it is hard."
The right-wingers always said that space exploration was a waste of money. As it turns out, the moon has vast potential for energy, beyond anything we could have imagined. The US is the only country so far to go to the moon. If we play our cards right, we could be the Saudi Arabia of energy for the 21st century.
Or we could do nothing.
June 23rd, 2008 at 12:30 amHopes & Dreams. I would love to see it happen and agree we should start ... right after Obama is sworn in. And NO PNAC-ers should be allowed anywhere near the project.
So much died with JFK - but I think we should work to resurrect some of his plans. I'm glad Caroline is working with Obama.
June 23rd, 2008 at 12:38 amSheesh - we turned this into an Open Thread!
Thanks to all for the links & conversation ... have a good night.
See ya later.
June 23rd, 2008 at 12:42 am175 MOONBAT Says
the problem is the big sugar cane latifundios... they take valueble land from food crops. I'm from Brazil. What happened to the eletrical car?
June 23rd, 2008 at 12:47 amot,
sad news,
george carlin has passed on.
a hero the neo-cons couldn't stop.
good luck.
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June 23rd, 2008 at 1:21 amjoe c, I just read about George Carlin. As well as being funnier than shit, did you know he did quite a few of the Thomas the Tank Engine narratives?
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:26 amThe world won't laugh quite as hard for quite a while.
I'm a big fan of hydrogen power. Honda has a working fuel cell, we need to concentrate on production, delivery, storage ASAP. I'd love to drive a car that had water as a byproduct of it's engine.
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:27 amMOONBAT Says:
If Brazil is using 100% ethanol in all of their cars, why can’t we? I believe they derive all of it from sugar cane.
Well, Brazil only has about 1% of the cars we do. I don't like using farm land for fuel. Raises price of food and could lead to shortage of food in future. I'm for solar panels and plug-in cars. People who had EV-1's in the 1990's loved them.
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:30 amWhen you peruse the National Renewable Energy Lab web site, they have more excuses about why hydrogen isn't a viable fuel source than a five year old without her homework.
What we need is some goddamned leadership to light a fire under the R&D community and fund them up the gazoo.
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June 23rd, 2008 at 1:36 amRIP George.
I loved the guy.
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:54 amshoeless, the moon doesn't belong to the US.
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:58 am.
For The Record...
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June 23rd, 2008 at 3:13 amMax, one would have to believe that the bill is dirty when only one repug voted nay.
chimpy is a dictator and they love it. dumbasses.
June 23rd, 2008 at 3:28 amCan no one shut this lunatic up?!?
June 23rd, 2008 at 8:18 amINCREDIBLE...Fox News, Billy Kristol and John Bolton. Sounds like a Jerry Springer rerun. For Christ Sake, John Bolton of all people, has ZERO credibility when it comes to middle east and national security.
Fox News makes makes for great tabloid drama.
June 23rd, 2008 at 8:38 amWhat America needs is a Lee Harvey Oswald! How much better off we would be without these batshit crazy neocons on the TV spouting stupid bullshit and nonsense.
June 23rd, 2008 at 8:56 amIran is Persian, not Arab.
June 23rd, 2008 at 10:00 amWTF? I'm not letting anyone think for me. OBVIOUSLY.
All I want is accuracy and honesty. If it was ThinkProgress's interpretation then SAY THAT. Don't extrapolate what the war criminals say, QUOTE THEM ACCURATELY. That hurts them more than anything. You do not need that style of reporting. Leave that to the Republicans.
By the way, I'm sure Bolton agrees with Kristol 100%. But that wasn't what he said in the interview. The only way we can seperate ourselves from the propaganda wars of the Republicans is to be honest, accurate and on target.
That's all I expect from ThinkProgress. If that's too much let me know.
June 23rd, 2008 at 10:12 amI wonder how much longer the American people will allow these twisted psychotic Zionists, to drain our own country of money, our soldiers, our own best interests, by defending Israels greedy dreams of owning the entire world, by any means possible...
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:03 pmtomcat27834 Says:
INCREDIBLE…Fox News, Billy Kristol and John Bolton. Sounds like a Jerry Springer rerun. For Christ Sake, John Bolton of all people, has ZERO credibility when it comes to middle east and national security.
Fox News makes makes for great tabloid drama.
While you are 100% correct, that will not stop them from starting another war. All is needed is a staged attack on a large scale, just like 9/11, blame it on Iranians, and the Robots/Sheep will line up behind Bush, who then will declare Martial Law. Worse case scenario.
I see now it is OK to now shine a light on Israel, whereas 7 years ago, even Liberals were screaming "Anti-Semite", if you even dared looked at them wrong.
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:33 pmI have yet to see a clear minded view posted on here concerning the truth of the situation regaurding Irans potential use of nukes in real or in threat. To many of you so called Americans are spouting your left wing hate instead of taking a close look at the what if's of Irans potential actions. These are the things the Americans and rest of the world have to debate over. This is a real threat that if left unchecked an then goes on to be a real action, will create a mess that might actualy make you loons wake up an take notice. But because of your liberal slant an head in the sand thoughts, well it will be too late. you think things are tough now? let Iran toss a nuke. To also say that they wouldn't be foolish enough to take on the world with a single act, hmmm didn't we have that same problem back in 1939....go figure.
June 26th, 2008 at 4:10 pmI think Israel has no choice other than to bomb Iran and kill as many as possible...It is a very serious problem for a nation to (maybe someday) be able to produce a nuclear weapon that is not sanctioned by the world nuclear regulatory body........RIGHT!!!!
I wonder how many of the nit wits that take the Boltons or Kristols seriously know that Israel has the largest illegal nuclear arsenal in the world by far. Also they have continually shown they have absolutely NO respect for international law or even common decency...How many countries has Iran attacked and occupied in the last century?? 0....How many of its neighbors has Israel attacked and occupied??? Every one, multiple times..Its whole existance has been one big occupation!!! Israel has as much right to bomb Iran as they had to bomb the King David Hotel, The USS Liberty, or as Hitler had to invade Poland in '39...I hope if these Aholes cross into Iranian territory they get obliterated...When is the world going to wise up and see these criminals for exactly what they are???
July 1st, 2008 at 5:48 pmWe should give John Bolten and the rest of the Bush cronies a uniform and send them over to fight Iran.
July 3rd, 2008 at 5:52 pmI strongly suggest to you Israel that a decision to engage Iran in anything other than peaceful diplomacy would be very unwise.
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January 11th, 2009 at 10:45 amFrom what I have been educated about this issue by others who have followed it more closely, Georgia was arming up through NATO months before this conflict. Russia saw this and since South Ossetians are of Russian descent they gathered troops outside of the border as a precaution. Georgia has been obviously attempting to annex South Ossetia which achieved its independence from Georgia by choice after the breakup of the Soviet Socialist Republics in 1991.
Georgia attacked South Ossetia first without provocation and focused their attack on primarily civilian targets killing over 2,000 mainly unarmed citizens in 24 hours bombing occupied hospitals, apartment buildings and private homes. Our media did not report on the first 24 hours of the attack. Once Russia launched a counter attack to drive out the well armed Georgian army and protect South Ossetian civilians, our media started covering it as “naked aggression” conveniently ignoring the Georgian initiation of conflict.
Here is an interview with a 12 year old Bay area girl caught in the conflict who escaped back to the States by Sheppard Smith of Fox News. Watch how fast Smith cuts away when the girl starts spilling the beans about the attack and especially when the Aunt chimes in with the facts. Smith promises to get back to them and gives them 30 seconds to continue and then cuts the Aunt off as quickly as possible when she continues with her observations of the conflict. I love Smith’s final comment- “And understandably, there are grey areas in war.” Yeah and truth isn’t one of them now is it Sheppard? 3:47 seconds. Watch it and form your own opinion.
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