Feith Defends Rice’s Pre-War ‘Mushroom Cloud’ Claim On Iraq: It Was Neither A ‘Gaffe’ Nor A ‘Lie’
Feith Defends Rice’s Pre-War ‘Mushroom Cloud’ Claim On Iraq: It Was Neither A ‘Gaffe’ Nor A ‘Lie’
On CNN on Sept. 8, 2002, then-National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice infamously warned — incorrectly — that Saddam Hussein may be close to producing a nuclear weapon. When asked how “close” Saddam was to “developing a nuclear capacity,” Rice replied:
RICE: The problem here is that there will always be some uncertainty about how quickly he can acquire nuclear weapons. But we don’t want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud.
As a push for action against Iraq, she added, “How long are we going to wait to deal with what is clearly a gathering threat against the United States, against our allies and against his own region?”
Over at the Corner today, Douglas Feith attempts to defend this statement. “Rice’s reference to the mushroom cloud has been widely denounced as a gaffe or a lie,” he writes. “But it was neither.” From his post:
Rice was highlighting the limits of U.S. intelligence. While emphasizing the disparate estimates about how close Saddam was to a nuclear bomb, Rice was saying that the CIA would not necessarily know when Saddam acquired one.
She was warning that we might not learn this until after a detonation. This was an important and accurate statement. … Rice deserves credit for stressing here the gaps and uncertainties in U.S. intelligence.
While there were gaps in U.S. intelligence, the administration repeatedly chose the interpretation that was the most favorable to its case for war. In fact, almost a year before her 2002 interview, Rice’s staff “had been told that the government’s foremost nuclear experts seriously doubted that the tubes were for nuclear weapons.”
Additionally, as Michael Isikoff and David Corn wrote in “Hubris,” speechwriter Michael Gerson — who came up with the phrase — clearly intended the metaphor to be used to sell the American public on the alleged nuclear danger of Saddam. It was also used by President Bush on Oct. 7, 2002, not to debate intelligence gaps, but to push for war:
Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof — the smoking gun — that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud. … Understanding the threats of our time, knowing the designs and deceptions of the Iraqi regime, we have every reason to assume the worst, and we have an urgent duty to prevent the worst from occurring.
So according to Feith, whenever U.S. intelligence officials are unsure of how great a threat a country poses, the United States should just attack anyway?
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June 23rd, 2008 at 1:04 pmRICE: The problem here is that there will always be some uncertainty about how quickly he can acquire nuclear weapons. But we don’t what the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud.
Okay, so we know wingnuts grasp this logic inherently.
Can anyone explain to me why they wouldn’t also grasp the logic of:
The problem here is that there will always be some uncertainty about how quickly human activity is affecting the climate. But we don’t want the smoking gun to be a global catastrophe.
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:05 pmSo according to Feith, whenever U.S. intelligence officials are unsure of how great a threat a country poses, the United States should just attack anyway?
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Yes.
People don’t seem to understand just how important it is that we attack other countries. Every president needs to be at war. It gives him propaganda to catapult, and a ready-made excuse for any item on his agenda — “there’s a war on.”
/snark off
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:11 pmFeith can only save is own sorry ass by proping up others who are equally guilty and complicit in leading us into Bush’s boutique war.
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:15 pmThe two Rice statements were not a gaffe, but intentional.
The two Rice statements were not technically lies, but their use as hysteria producing propoganda meant to sell the product of attacking Iraq was immoral.
Oh, and Feith probably does not have a positive relationship with morality.
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:16 pmCaption:
“The dumbest man ever….”
_AIO_
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:17 pmShe was warning that we might not learn this until after a detonation. This was an important and accurate statement. … Rice deserves credit for stressing here the gaps and uncertainties in U.S. intelligence.
So by that logic we need to immediately invade every country where our intelligence is “uncertain” concerning nuclear weapons. Which of course would be every country on the planet that we can’t completely trust.
http://progressiveworldreview.com
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:19 pmSee this is exactly how I live my life. It’s one long, nonstop killing spree. I just kill and kill and kill again. Welcome to the neighborhood - KNITTING NEEDLE TO THE THROAT! What time is it? Why it’s half-past SPEAR GUN TO THE CROTCH!
Why? Well, how am I supposed to know who wants to kill me and who doesn’t? It’s safer for me, AND my family, if I just kill abaolsutely anyone who comes into contact with me. You JUST NEVER KNOW.
And if you have a problem with it, then you, obviously, would give comfort to my enemies, whoever they’re not, and now, you’re on the list, pal.
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:20 pmIt kills me. How come all these Gung-ho warmongers never put their own asses on the line? In a Karmiclly correct world, Feith would be serving in Sadr City for the next….oh 20 years…alone…with a kick me sign on his back.
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:21 pmSo simply put, according to their logic, why didn’t we invade N.Korea? They HAVE nuclear weapons! Of course, we had to invade the country which was the least challenging and the least threatening, but with so much of that sweet sweet crude.
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:26 pmgitrdone Says:
So simply put, according to their logic, why didn’t we invade N.Korea? They HAVE nuclear weapons! Of course, we had to invade the country which was the least challenging and the least threatening, but with so much of that sweet sweet crude.
Taking your logic even further, we should invade Israel, India and Russia as well, right?
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:28 pmNeither a gaffe, nor a lie, it was fearmongering motivated by political considerations.
Lost somewhere in this discussion has been one of the major motivations for the push to war: to ensure a one-party nation.
This was part of an attempt to intimidate the American people into supporting the republican president and Congress.
You know what? It was a lie. And Feith is a liar. See Iran-Contra.
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:28 pmWhen your political base is mostly made up of ignorant cowards and greedy thieves, you have to constantly play the fear card.
Doesn’t anyone remember how quickly the ‘terror alert’ color code system was shelved after the 2004 elections?
Republicans depend on the ignorance and cowardice of their base. They are easier to terrorize that way.
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:35 pmRice was highlighting the limits of U.S. intelligence. While emphasizing the disparate estimates about how close Saddam was to a nuclear bomb, Rice was saying that the CIA would not necessarily know when Saddam acquired one.
She was warning that we might not learn this until after a detonation. This was an important and accurate statement. … Rice deserves credit for stressing here the gaps and uncertainties in U.S. intelligence.
The Chimpy administration in a nutshell ; they want to be lavished with praise constantly , regardless of the dubious nature behind it , and to never be confronted when horribly wrong (which , as it turns out , is every g-damn time)……How personally convenient.
You can all kiss my rosy ass-cheeks…………
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:35 pmYou know, I’m pretty sure that my next door neighbor may or may not have a gun. I know he beats his wife and kids. And yesterday, some guy drove by and threw a brick thru my window.
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:36 pmSo, I’m gonna go kill my neighbor. His wife and family will greet me as a liberator and with flowers and a nice home-cooked meal.
As for the guy who threw the brick? Well, he’s not important.
kindness Says:
In a Karmiclly correct world, Feith would be serving in Sadr City for the next….oh 20 years…alone…with a kick me sign on his back.
Make that sign say “Kick me, I’m a Crusader” and I give him 20 seconds life expectancy.
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:36 pmI find it hard to believe our country lacks adequate intelligence on Mideast countries.
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:36 pmAttacking a country because our intel tells us they “MIGHT” be a threat (despite a huge pile of evidence that they are not)explains quite a bit about this Administration’s approach towards Iran.
“Why of course the people don’t want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don’t want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”
-Hermann Goering
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:37 pmOur forefathers’ gravesites are by now generating enough turbine energy to power the sun….
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:38 pmGuido the Loving OBGYN Says:
I find it hard to believe our country lacks adequate intelligence on Mideast countries.
Well, don’t forget our Commander Guy didn’t know the difference between Shiites and Sunnis. Kinda says it all, doesn’t it?
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:38 pm….and up steps barackocarter to prove my previous assertion about the cowardice of the Republican base
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:39 pmBut RantingTommy, isn’t the new troll’s name so cute and clever? Why, he must be one of cutest and cleverest of all of troll world and to think he came to visit and actually speak to us. My heart is all atwitter.
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:44 pmDouglas (gotta-have) Feith says:
… there. Fixed his facts.
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:44 pmGuido the Loving OBGYN Says:
I find it hard to believe our country lacks adequate intelligence on Mideast countries.
Before or after Plame and Brewster & Jennings were outed?
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:44 pmBushco blinded our intelligence capabilities deliberately.
I don’t believe that. Never did.
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:44 pmbarackocarter Says:
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We shouldn’t even think about a strategic strike on Iran until after its fearless leader takes concrete steps to wipe Israel off the map. Once they do that we can sit down and talk and see what we can offer them to leave the rest of the world alone. If only we had taken such an approach with Hitler, then…………… oh, wait.
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:36 pm
How well has the preemptive strike on Iraq worked out , Chimpy Adoration Brigade member ?
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:44 pmbarackocarter Says:
We shouldn’t even think about a strategic strike on the US until after its fearless leader takes concrete steps to wipe Iraq off the map. Once they do that we can sit down and talk and see what we can offer them to leave the rest of the world alone. If only we had taken such an approach with Hitler, then…………… oh, wait.
There son, I fixed that for you.
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:46 pmJoe Biden says:
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:46 pm(MTP, 06/22/08)
I didn’t trust these liars then and I certainly don’t trust them now, nor will I trust them in the future.
It’s kinda sad really, that so many of the Low Information Voters still to this day believe anything this Administration puts out as propaganda.
It really says alot about just how uneducated Americans are about what really happened to this day.
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:46 pmmoy = not
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:47 pmTo clarify, if Bush/Cheney admitted that they knew the differences between Shiite and Sunni they would have been forced to admit there would never be peace and democracy between the two. Willfull ignorance, still being perpetuated by liars like Rice and Feith.
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:49 pmThe following quote (which is in bold) is technically neither a gaffe, or a lie, but rather misleading:
RICE: The problem here is that there will always be some uncertainty about how quickly he can acquire nuclear weapons. But we don’t want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud.
Well, truth is, we certainly don’t want the smoking gun to be an atomic bomb detonated on our homeland.
But what should have been added to prevent the falsehood of it:
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:51 pmAs of now, we have gathered no proof that he has acquired, or will be able to acquire, nuclear weapons. But, because we are already committed to engagement of battle, and because our interests include OIL and MONEY, not humanity, we will go ahead and begin an illegal occupation, all the while pretending that it is justified, and occasionally throwing in the smoke and mirrors of “connection to 9/11″, to further our agenda of a New World Order in the Middle East.
Thank you, and God Bless George Bush.
Face it Doug, you’re branded as a bush stooge and liar. Don’t make it worse. You’ll be unemployable too.
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:51 pmA lifetime of lies and deception has degenerated into complete and absolute delusion.
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:51 pmFeith needs mental help.
misshusseinmolly @ #3:
Or, in the words that Jonah Goldberg (another Corner denizen) puts it:
It’s a solidly-established neocon tradition.
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:52 pm…and Tommy Franks looks like a genius AGAIN!
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:53 pmSo according to Feith, whenever U.S. intelligence officials are unsure of how great a threat a country poses, the United States should just attack anyway?
Yes…That was the determination of the brightest minds the Bush administration could come up with. Of course, all those brightest minds need to get back to their real jobs as ’sandwich artists’ at Subway.
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:54 pm[Phooey, another typo! I started to say “in the words that Goldberg attributes to Ledeen” but the sentence got away from me. Sorry!]
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:54 pm“pick up some small crappy little country and throw it against the wall”
Which explains what happened to the Ledeens and the Doughy Pantloads of the world in junior high school.
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:55 pmWhere is some friendly fire when you need it?
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:56 pmtrollsbwild Says:
Saved for the non-loyal Bushies, like Pat Tillman.
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:57 pmbarackocarter Says:
We shouldn’t even think about a strategic strike on Iran until after its fearless leader takes concrete steps to wipe Israel off the map.
Uhmmm. Sh!thead. That talking point was shot down ages ago. Why don’t the butt sniffers ever read the news? Pull your heads out of Bush’s butt long enough to think for yourself. Oops, I forgot; Nevermind.
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:57 pmSure barackocarter, let’s just sacrifice whatever is left of our reputation and economic stability to protect Israel. Then again maybe you folks who thin Israels well being is more important than that of the USA need to move to Israel and protect it from within.
June 23rd, 2008 at 2:03 pmSorry Brackometer, but last I checked, there were no Iraqi involved in the 9/11 attacks and the only terrorists in Iraq came after we illegally invaded and occupied a sovereign nation.
That damn home schooling is leaking through again.
June 23rd, 2008 at 2:05 pmThey’ll be defending the lies for the rest of their lives. Some may be doing it from a cell, some from a remote island, some from the asylum to which they are assigned, but they will all be defending their lies until death. They will always reiterate how it was the right thing to do, contrary to all facts and outcomes.
June 23rd, 2008 at 2:11 pmIf barackocarter posts anything, presume it is based on an email he received this morning from another BushButt Sniffer.
To it’s thinking, our 4000+ dead is ok because Saddam and his sons are dead. So to the homeschooled sh!thead, three dead nobodies are worth the lives of 4000+ of your brothers, sisters, fathers, husbands, sons, daughters, wives, cousins, boyfriends, etc…
Go away and do something good for the country.
June 23rd, 2008 at 2:12 pmThe bottome line is this: Bush wanted to go to war with Iraq and it was up to his people to figure out how to accomplish his mission. Period.
June 23rd, 2008 at 2:14 pmbarackocarter Says:
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MCMetal Says:
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barackocarter Says:
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We shouldn’t even think about a strategic strike on Iran until after its fearless leader takes concrete steps to wipe Israel off the map. Once they do that we can sit down and talk and see what we can offer them to leave the rest of the world alone. If only we had taken such an approach with Hitler, then…………… oh, wait.
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:36 pm
How well has the preemptive strike on Iraq worked out , Chimpy Adoration Brigade member ?
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Very well, thank you for asking. Many supporters of terror (starting with Hussein and his sons) have been captured, tried and executed by Iraq’s new democratic government, a democracy has taken the place of a brutal dictatorship in the Middle East, casualties are down dramatically since the surge, roadside bombing has decreased, and Iraqi security forces are steadily taking charge of more and more of Iraq’s 18 provinces (Anbar province is being turned over this week, making it the 10th of Iraq’s 18 provinces to be turned over to control of Iraqi security forces). Allow the process to be completed and Iraqi security forces will be in charge of 18 of 18 in due course. Then, it will be time to bring the rest of the troops home and give them a heroes welcome.
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:58 pm
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“Allow the process” and “due course” , eh Chimpy Adoration Brigade president ?
6 years , $1 trillion dollars and over a million lives isn’t enough , right ?
You are nothing more than a lying , ignorant GOP/Chimpy stooge……..
June 23rd, 2008 at 2:16 pmWhatever utopian, idealistic end results, it will never be justified by the means.
June 23rd, 2008 at 2:27 pmbarackocarter Says:
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WASHINGTON — Roadside bomb attacks and fatalities in Iraq are down by almost 90% over the last year.
June 23rd, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Wow
Only took 6 years to get it down to that , huh ?
BTW
How long did World War II last and cost , Johnny Ignoramus ?
June 23rd, 2008 at 2:27 pmNever forget the Office of Special Plans, created in Sept.02 in Rumsfeld’s office and run by Wolfowitz and Feith. The OSP lied and manipulated intelligence to further its agenda of removing Saddam. In my opinion, they created the now known to be false intelligence and planted it with different intell. agencies so that the Administration could easily say this intelligence is thought to be true by all the intell. agencies.
A good example of circular intelligence and the Bushies all can claim clean hands.
June 23rd, 2008 at 2:27 pmHey brackometer,
WTF do those cut and pastes have to do with the topic of how we got into this f’ing quagmire in the first place?
Try to keep up, OK?
June 23rd, 2008 at 2:28 pmBushOasswipe,
You, & people like you are the reason Red States are turning Blue in front of your closed eyes.
A November to Remember is just around the corner, and asswipes like you will be hard put to find work cleaning toilets…in Larry Craig’s office.
June 23rd, 2008 at 2:35 pmThe more he opens his mouth, the further he sticks his arse down his throat!
June 23rd, 2008 at 2:42 pmHow is it that the same people who think it is justifiable to detain all the brown people we want as enemy combatants with no chance to defend themselves turn around and then pretend to care about the well being of the Iraqi people against insurgents. Oh they don’t, just like their leaders all they care about is oil contracts. Well at $4.30 per gallon how is that oil thing working for you knuckle dragging backwards neothugs and how long are you going to go on supporting these criminals against your own best interests? Now I’m talking to you backwoodscarter.
June 23rd, 2008 at 2:43 pmI won’t cut and paste the sh!theads passages, but the entire time we have been ‘purging’ in Iraq should have allowed for the political reconciliation to take place. It has not taken place. Until the Iraqis can handle their own internal squabbles, our brave souls will be in the line of fire; but that won’t bother our brave sh!thead, as it is safe and sound under its bed. A true coward, to be sure.
All the ‘temporary’ firefights which go our way pale in comparison to the overall need for the Iraqi government to stand on its own - but Bush will never allow that as we want their oil. Any discussion which doesn’t incorporate our demand for their oil is a waste of time. That’s why we invaded, right troll?
June 23rd, 2008 at 2:44 pmWhy do trolls seem to think that if they adopt a new troll name, they’ll have a better grasp of facts?
It never works out that way.
Oh, but there I go, trying to attribute normal evidence-based cognitive function to our trolls.
June 23rd, 2008 at 2:45 pm6 years backwoods that’s all it took for us to get these favorable results. That is if you can believe results given to us by this corrupt administration. Then again we won the Revolutionary War in not too much more time than that. And what exactly top we have to show for it besides a disgusting reputation as torturers and a three trillion dollar deficit? You tell us backwoods, what will we have gained?
June 23rd, 2008 at 2:48 pmbarackocarter Says:
We shouldn’t even think about a strategic strike on Iran until after its fearless leader takes concrete steps to wipe Israel off the map.
June 23rd, 2008 at 1:36 pm
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Agreed. And since neither Iran’s President nor the Mullahs in charge of Iran’s military have any intention of wiping Israel off the map, a strategic strike on Iran will be completely unnecessary.
June 23rd, 2008 at 2:50 pmYeesh backwood, you cut him to the bone with this slashing wit of your’s, well half of it any way.
June 23rd, 2008 at 2:50 pmOh and crapcarrier, you know where you can put your links? Because I never click on anything presented here by your ilk. You can never be sure your kind of stupid isn’t contagious.
June 23rd, 2008 at 2:52 pmShayne Says:
Oh and crapcarrier, you know where you can put your links? Because I never click on anything presented here by your ilk. You can never be sure your kind of stupid isn’t contagious.
Exactly…Two things about that: First is if it was important, posters here at TP would have already read and understood it. Second, why on earth would we presume the troll du jour would have ANYTHING of value to share? Troll, give us YOUR thoughts, not those of your paymasters. Can’t you dream up one independant thought? One?
June 23rd, 2008 at 2:57 pmAnother alternative would have been to allow weapons inspectors into Iraq and give them free access to look anywhere they or the Bush administration wanted. But that happened! They inspected hundreds of sites. There was nothing there. They and the Bush administration did not know where else to look. The administration ordered them out.
June 23rd, 2008 at 3:49 pmThe problem with Saddam representing Hitler in an analogy is who is the US representing? A country that has thousands of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons compared to zero. A country that spends 500 times as much on its military as Nazi Germany. Germany with no air force nor navy and two-thirds of its country controlled by the US and Britain?
June 23rd, 2008 at 3:54 pmOh, look! Dougie’s living up to his reputation as the Dumbest Man in the World - again!!
Isn’t he cute? His mama must be so proud!!
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:07 pmOh dear, our troll has been eating paste again.
Bad troll, BAD!!
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:09 pmFacing clear evidence of peril,
LIE, plain and simple. The job of Feith and the chickenhawk neocons and trolls is to pile on enough bulls*** so that these facts are buried under it.
1.) The big oil companies are close to being back in Iraq after being kicked out by Sadaam 30 years ago.
2.) Oil profits are at record highs, as a matter of fact they are currently the largest corporate profits in the history of man.
3.) Condi Rice was on the board of Chevron and we all know about the Bush family’s oil connections and Cheney’s secret energy meeting with the maps of Iraqi oil fields. Those fields contain that sweet crude that the world is currently craving.
4.) NO WMD’s in Iraq, however you will find them in Pakistan (remember that fellow Bin Laden?..and his friends in the Pakistani intelligence service?) and North Korea.
These facts are the reason neocons and trolls need to manufacture mountains of bullsh**s 24/7.
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:13 pmsayI only have two questions.
1. Is someone actually paying the “stupidest (%#% on the planet” for his opinion?
2. If a hostile country tried to build a bomb, someone would have to refine the uranium (or plutonium if they have the proper reactor). A uranium bomb would take hundreds, or thousands, of tons of ore. A plutonium bomb would result in tens-hundreds of tons of highly radioactive waste material. Here’s the question.
Would it not be nearly inconceivable to conceal either operation?
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:15 pmOops! That should read “Say. I have two questions.”
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:18 pmHe’s one member of the Bush Administration who doesn’t need to wear makeup to determine that he’s a clown. General Franks’ assessment of Feith’s mental capacity was right on.
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:24 pmOh please, talk to the hand! Here is a criminal defending another criminal. Pass the popcorn please…
June 23rd, 2008 at 5:43 pmPopcorn?? Naaa..Another Dubee and hookup to the KoolAide machine!!!Gotta make me some more lies up!! RRAAHH!!!!
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:01 pm“Popcorn?? Naaa..Another Dubee and hookup to the KoolAide machine!!!”
LOL! And don’t forget the jujubees.. It is just a never ending story with these clowns trying to cover their butts.
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:46 pmDouglas Feith.
Jude.
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:02 pmthese cowards are just about to panic over the thought of being brought up on war crimes charges.
June 23rd, 2008 at 10:17 pmSuch spinning and lying you have not seen the likes of since 2003.
But this time it is for ernest these cowards are going to have to protect their asses, it would be nice to see bush/chenny in the same perdiciment as sadam.
Bet you would hear a lot more screaming and crying.
Of all the Bush-ites, I think I hate this Feith c-sucker the most….and that’s saying something…
June 23rd, 2008 at 10:34 pmWow, what a statement. It reminds me of when he was on The Daily Show and Jon Stewart had a look on his face like he couldn’t beleive what he was hearing. As if saying, you can’t even keep your own lies straight WTF are you talking about? Wow. Feith really thinks we are as dumb as he is.
June 24th, 2008 at 12:58 pm“barackocarter”-
Hey isn’t he great! He’ll be here all week. Nooooow let’s hear those golden oldies again! Fatalities down! Saddam terror sponsor! Weapons of Mass Destruction and who can forget, The Hitler Song?!! Call now and you’ll receive our latest map of all the countries we think may be having bad thoughts about the US!Brought to you by NEOCON, the ugliest political movement since IMPERIALISM!
June 24th, 2008 at 1:08 pm