Earlier today, Fortune released an article on Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), in which McCain’s chief strategist, Charlie Black, said that another terrorist attack on U.S. soil “would be a big advantage” for McCain. Asked to respond to Black’s quote during a press conference in Fresno, CA, McCain rejected it: “If he said that, and I do not know the context, I strenuously disagree.” Watch it:
"I deeply regret the comments -- they were inappropriate," Black said outside a McCain fundraiser in Fresno, Calif. today. "I recognize that John McCain had devoted his entire life to protecting his country and placing its security before every other consideration."
gee, the media always accepts McCain distancing himself from his advisors or spiritual leaders without question while they make a circus over Obama’s distancing himself from Reverend Wright…I guess the media will move on…
June 23rd, 2008 at 3:43 pmTranslation - This is going to be our October Surprise.
Some how I am not surprised.
June 23rd, 2008 at 3:43 pmI see our first Tranny Troll has arrived. Get ready for some racism, bad spelling & pointless points. All for 10 cents!
June 23rd, 2008 at 3:50 pmat least you have the sense to recognize that it would make Bush look like a failure…and not the other way around…
unlike some on the right, we do not HOPE for a terrorist attack, no matter what you might think…
June 23rd, 2008 at 3:51 pmbut it’s so much easier to use mindless talking points, #3, such as “Why do liberals want our troops DEAD in Iraq?” because it sells to the American people unfortunately…
June 23rd, 2008 at 3:52 pmWhat does McCain mean by “If he said that, and I do not know the context, I strenuously disagree”?
1: Your guy said it McCain.
2: What kind of context would make it right?
3: Are you implying that if the context was right, you’d support the statement?
As one of the posters here likes to say (sorry the name didn’t come to me):
June 23rd, 2008 at 3:52 pmJEEBUS!!
Geeze, whadda staged comment by Black so Johnny Mac can appear as the rebel maverick: He even disagrees with his advisers!!
June 23rd, 2008 at 3:53 pmbarackocarter Says:
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I disagree as well. Another terrorist attack on U.S. soil would make all of the steps taken by Bush to prevent such an attack look like a failure, which would not be good for McCain. Thus, an a terrorist attack on U.S. soil would boost O’Carter.
June 23rd, 2008 at 3:44 pm
And “O’Carter” is still 1000 times superior to McChimpy anyway , which must cause you and your retarded GOP backing brethren much pain………..
June 23rd, 2008 at 3:53 pmrogerse Says:
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Of couse his answer came after the interviewer brought up the subject and question…and there’s no context for what he actually said.
June 23rd, 2008 at 3:52 pm
What type of “context” could there be in discussing another terrorist attack on the US ?
Your beloved GOP was in charge , entirely , when the worst one occcurring on US soil was allowed to happen , nitwit……….
June 23rd, 2008 at 3:55 pmwell, well, well, what do you know!
June 23rd, 2008 at 3:57 pmbarackocarter Says:
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That joke just never gets stale, Zimzone. Got anything new?
June 23rd, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Just curious ; how long have you been this retarded and stupid ?
June 23rd, 2008 at 3:57 pm#3 BOC, BOC, Bagaaaack, is denying the primary “win” theme of the Republican party for the last eight years. Someone strip him of his flag pin and bathroom shoe taps, he isn’t a Republican.
June 23rd, 2008 at 3:58 pmwhat kind of man is McCain that he should have a disaster capitalist for an adviser anyway???
June 23rd, 2008 at 3:58 pmBad advisors! Bad!! Don’t piss the old coot off!!
And just a little note for our most recent, and utterly clueless apologist for Evil, Inc.:
Branding Obama as “OCarter” isn’t going to get you anywhere, asshat. Most people associate Jimmy Carter with 1) Habitat for Humanity and 2) the Nobel Peace Prize. And, finally, he was absolutely 100% correct about energy and our dependence on oil…
Just sayin’.
So, good luck with that, eejit. Heheheh!
June 23rd, 2008 at 3:58 pmIf Johnny Boy can’t control his own staff, how in the fcuk will he be able to govern anything?
Oh wait, his staff are all Lobbyists, mostly for Big Oil, so THEY will control him. Now I know!
June 23rd, 2008 at 3:59 pmIf we agree that another attack on US soil would indeed be an advantage to McCain, what does that tell us about our faith in Obama’s ability to deal with another terrorist attack? Does this also not underscore that many voters will simply feel safer with a terror-warrior at the helm rather than someone who’s more concerned with domestic issues like nationalized health care? My humble opinion is that democratic presidential candidates will continue to lose while terrorists remain a threat, essentially because seven years after 911 the democratic leadership doesn’t really have an alternative plan to deal with terrorism.
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:01 pmAh, the Sweathogs. Such a long, long, time ago. Some around here weren’t even born yet. What a strange reference that would be.
WelcomeBack,Kotter!
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:05 pmOooo,Oooo,Ooooooo!
My humble opinion is that democratic presidential candidates will continue to lose while terrorists remain a threat, essentially because seven years after 911 the democratic leadership doesn’t really have an alternative plan to deal with terrorism.
You should say “rightfully humble opinion.” It would be more accurate.
Another attack would underscore the uselessness of the republican position on terrorism.
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:05 pmLeftside Annie Says
June 23rd, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Branding Obama as “OCarter” isn’t going to get you anywhere, asshat. Most people associate Jimmy Carter with 1) Habitat for Humanity and 2) the Nobel Peace Prize. And, finally, he was absolutely 100% correct about energy and our dependence on oil…
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And don’t forget that Carter made it a point to tell the truth. It’s a pity that only those of us over forty really remember what it was like to be able to trust what our president told us, even if it wasn’t always what we wanted to hear. It would be lovely to have another president like that.
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:06 pmMr.NiceGuy Says: If we agree that another attack on US soil would indeed be an advantage to McCain
I agree with almost nothing Mr. McCain or Mr. Black say, and this is no exception… the question is why Mr. Black feels that another attack on U.S. soil would ‘help’ McCain…
Could it possibly be that the republicans know they have nothing but fear-mongering to offer the people of the United States?
’cause it looks like the republican leadership doesn’t really have an alternative plan to deal with the upcoming election…
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:07 pmin rog’s world,
context is everything,
if you’re a republican.
if you’re a democrat,
not so much.
see how it works?
good luck.
*
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:09 pmActually, Annie, most intelligent people associate Carter with a 22% “misery index” (his own creation), and a 444 day hostage crisis caused by his weakness.
Actually, caused by the deal he had with the Iranian terrorists, to delay release until after the election.
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:09 pmThat was Carter who shipped weapons to the same terrorists who held americans hostage, right?
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:10 pmSorry, trollshite, it doesn’t work that way. Only you and your fellow idiots do that, you know, the home-schooled 18%er’s with their noses *still* stuck up Bush’s butt? Those fools.
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:12 pmbarackocarter Says:
Actually, Annie, most intelligent people associate Carter with a 22% “misery index” (his own creation), and a 444 day hostage crisis caused by his weakness.
Well Carter did inherit the government of a weak and inept government, and was sold out by right wing republicans tied to terrorists (Ronnie RayGun was more than happy to sell advanced weapons to them)… So if you mean Obama is like Carter in that he’s not a sell out to terrorists - compared to the Republicans - hehe, I’m SURE you’re RIGHT!! ROTFL!!
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:12 pmbarackocarter Says:
Many Republicans are associated with Habitat for Humanity, by the way. It is a non-partisan organization.
If you mean they try to PROFIT from the efforts of Democrats - that’s just like the Government!! ROTFL!!
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:13 pmbarackocarter Says:
Actually, Annie, most intelligent people associate Carter with a 22% “misery index” (his own creation), and a 444 day hostage crisis caused by his weakness.
How would you have any idea what intelligent people think?
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:13 pmbarackocarter Says:
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Actually, Annie, most intelligent people associate Carter with a 22% “misery index” (his own creation), and a 444 day hostage crisis caused by his weakness.
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:07 pm
As opposed to the “strength” displayed by Ronniue Retard , in exchanging weapons for those hostages , along with continuing to provide arms to all those considered our “enemies” ?
Yeah , a real fu(king tough guy that lousy actor (and even shittier president) sure was…………..
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:13 pmI’m willing to cut McCain a little slack on this one. If it’s true that he really didn’t know what Black was saying out of his earshot, and his first knowledge of Black’s quote was from a reporter asking for his reaction, McCain’s response was appropriate. I would hope that he would have a convo with Black at the earliest opportunity.
And yes, I do believe it’s unfair that McCain will get a free pass on things his chief campaign strategist says, while Obama gets raked over the coals for things his pastor said years ago. I don’t mind McCain getting the free pass (as long as McCain takes care of the problem), I object to any candidate being responsible for everything that comes out of the mouth of everybody they have ever been associated with.
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:14 pmgummitch Says:
barackocarter Says:
Actually, Annie, most intelligent people associate Carter with a 22% “misery index” (his own creation), and a 444 day hostage crisis caused by his weakness.
How would you have any idea what intelligent people think?
He HOPES intelligent people think that, while NOT KNOWING what an INTELLIGENT PERSON ACTUALLY THINKS!! ROTFL!!
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:14 pmOh, and BTW, dear trollshite, wasn’t it your hero Ronnie Raygun who sold Saddam all that nice poison gas he used on the Kurds - oh, and armed/trained Osama bin Laden and the Taliban…?
Yeah, that was wicked smart.
/sarc off
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:14 pmbelac,
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:14 pmHonestly, could you state the democratic plan to deal with terror? I have no idea what it is other than to criticize the republicans. We all clearly see the flaws with the republican strategy, however *any* strategy is going to better than no strategy at all. That’s the point I’m making. I don’t think any voters are likely voting Obama because they think he’ll kick up the war on terror a notch. Obviously fighting terrorism is not the strength of the democrats. Can we at least admit this?
barackocarter seems to be a historian, so perhaps he can tell me if it was that Carter fellow who sold weapons to terrorists, while baldly lying to the american people about it?
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:15 pmMcMetal, lets not forget that Ronnie RayGun sent all of the MONEY, TRAINING and WEAPONS to Afghanistan that eventually became AL QAEDA!! There’s no MISERY in THAT POLICY!! ROTFL!!
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:15 pmbarackocarter Says:
Many Republicans are associated with Habitat for Humanity, by the way. It is a non-partisan organization.
Yeah? Name one.
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:17 pmReich-wingers are bringing up Carter? Jebus, talk about desperate. I guarantee you listen to BathTub Head Gibby on a daily basis. Youc “people” are too predictable.
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:18 pmMr.StupidGuy:
Try this: http://www.barackobama.com
He spells it all out. Duh.
Um, you can read, can’t you…?
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:19 pmDid anyone else notice that McCain has two small bandages on the top of his head today?
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:19 pmAnother skin biopsy? Or did Cindy hit him over the head with a rolling pin?
Yes, like reich-wingers are fisically responsible and strong on defense. Keep repeating it often enough on enough different sites and some non-thinking people will bite.
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:19 pmMr.NiceGuy Says:
belac,
Honestly, could you state the democratic plan to deal with terror? I have no idea what it is other than to criticize the republicans. We all clearly see the flaws with the republican strategy, however *any* strategy is going to better than no strategy at all. That’s the point I’m making. I don’t think any voters are likely voting Obama because they think he’ll kick up the war on terror a notch. Obviously fighting terrorism is not the strength of the democrats. Can we at least admit this?
Terror is predominately caused by US meddling in middle east affairs, and by us continually supporting dictators like Saddam and undermining elections (like we did in Iran). The first step is to teach Republicans to STFU and MIND THEIR OWN BUSINESS in international affairs, and to stop letting Exxon DICTATE middle east policies!
Terror is secondarily brought on by the US single sided approach to dealing with Israeli and Palestinian affairs. Both have legitimate and REAL claims to the territories, and we cannot be focused entirely on the needs of one population group. That has destroyed all credibility we have in the middle east.
Wars in the third place against Arab and Muslim countries are not conducive to PROVING that they aren’t justified in what they see as ‘defense’ against us. We just radicalize the populations and feed into the fury of those that blame us for the poor conditions that thrive in their countries.
In otherwords, we need to stop aggravating the situation by fueling the conditions that cause populations to support radicals in their midst. We don’t have to win over the radicals, but we do have to win over the populations that they come from - and so far that’s not happening!
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:20 pmMr.NiceGuy Says:
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belac,
Honestly, could you state the democratic plan to deal with terror? I have no idea what it is other than to criticize the republicans. We all clearly see the flaws with the republican strategy, however *any* strategy is going to better than no strategy at all. That’s the point I’m making. I don’t think any voters are likely voting Obama because they think he’ll kick up the war on terror a notch. Obviously fighting terrorism is not the strength of the democrats. Can we at least admit this?
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Oh really ?
Can you truthfully state that no strategy going into Iraq could have turned it into a bigger clusterfu(k than it currently is or has been and will continue to be ?
The Dems , most of them , are in agreement that terrorism is best combatted through law enforcement ; it also has been proven to be much more effective in European countries.
The GOP’s bogus “War On Terror” has turned out the way everything does when they are in charge ; totally ineffective with budget and cost over-runs that would make even a banana republic dictator physically ill……….
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:20 pm“Oversimplified progressive urban legend”…?
Yeah, right.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
Oh, you’re just too cute with your big words!
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:20 pmbarackocarter Says:
No Annie. That is an over-simplified progressive urban legend. But keep repeating it often enough on enough different sites and some non-thinking people will bite.
ROTFL!! From the people that brought you ‘there’s WMD in Iraq’, we’re being lectured about how Iran got arms for hostages! Sorry to inform you, but we shipped Iran Arms right after they shipped hostages. There’s NOTHING urban legend about what happened… It’s HISTORICAL FACT, you IGNORANT FOOL!
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:21 pmRepublicans lecturing on history, is like evangelicals lecturing on evolution - they’re woefully incapable and uneducated and incapable of even BEGINNING a discussion let alone finishing it!!! ROTFL!!
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:22 pmMr. Nice Guy-
How’s this… phased withdrawal in Iraq coupled with an increased allocation of resources in Afghanistan along with an increased and genuine commitment to actual diplomacy and international relations?
Actually forming an international coalition to deal with re-building Iraq, Actually catching and prosecuting those directly responsible for 9/11, Ceasing immediately the torture that continues to recruit new fighters for the terrorists…
Shall I continue, or do you get the idea?
No more Mr. Nice Guy’s jumping on the bed.
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:24 pmrepublicans hate facts Says:
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McMetal, lets not forget that Ronnie RayGun sent all of the MONEY, TRAINING and WEAPONS to Afghanistan that eventually became AL QAEDA!! There’s no MISERY in THAT POLICY!! ROTFL!!
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:15 pm
Ronnie Retard was the fore(skin)father of the current horseshit GOP ; he sucked ass.
It was his presidency and the changed mythical nature of it , that 1st revealed the power the garbage GOP had to secure it’s own revisionist history.
As a matter of fact , the last 5 GOP presidencies have all been amongst the worst in US history , and have all been presided over by criminals…………
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:25 pmbarackocarter Says:
No Annie. That is an over-simplified progressive urban legend. But keep repeating it often enough on enough different sites and some non-thinking people will bite.
So the abysmal failure of the Bush adminration was first balmed on Clinton, but now the ButtSniffers are changing it to be Carter’s fault? What next? Blaming Bush’s incompetence on James Buchanan or Milard Fillmore?
Sh!theads, really. Argue your man’s legacy - not the distant past. What a tool. And sh!thead doesn’t even know it.
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:25 pmThis Obama = Carter meme is funny, because, as our own Leftside Annie pointed out, Carter is widely respected among Americans, and the only group for whom he is a boogeyman is wingnuttia.
That’s a great strategy, trolls — keep tarring Democrats with this “Nobel Peace Prize” smear.
Hehehe.
Presumably the current troll-name du jour would have handled the Iranian hostage crisis like this:
On the third day of the standoff, Russian security forces stormed the building using tanks, thermobaric rockets and other heavy weapons. A series of explosions shook the school, followed by a fire which engulfed the building and a chaotic gunbattle between the hostage-takers and Russian security forces. Ultimately, at least 334 hostages were killed, including 186 children. Hundreds more were wounded or missing.
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:29 pmLeftside Annie: Calling posters juvenile names really shows your lack of maturity. Yes, I’ve seen Obama’s website and there’s very little there in terms of plans to combat ongoing terrorism.
Republicans hate facts:
I am not saying that I disagree with your points, however that’s basically the same strategy that John Kerry had more-or-less, and he lost. So while some of what you say may be dead right, the voters don’t want to hear that. After 911, I can’t blame them.
MCMetal
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:31 pmClaiming that the war on terror has been ineffective is to dismiss the fact that we haven’t had another attack on us soil. So, while Iraq has been mishandled, the war on terror, specifically operations in Afghanistan, etc has been effective imo.
I think the McSame strategy, judging from this and Doug Holtz-Eakin, is to make McSame’s advisers look more senile and incoherent than their candidate.
….and how DARE you point out Reagan’s illegal arms-for-hostages deal?
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:34 pmbelac
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:35 pmThat sounds pretty good, although when Obama is on TV recently talking about how he views terrorism as essentially a law enforcement issue, it doesn’t sit well with voters who feel that 911 was an act of war. Do you see what I’m saying?
Mr.NiceGuy Says:
belac
That sounds pretty good, although when Obama is on TV recently talking about how he views terrorism as essentially a law enforcement issue, it doesn’t sit well with voters who feel that 911 was an act of war. Do you see what I’m saying?
Well the 18% of you that are dumb enough to feel that way can vote for McWar. Wars are BETWEEN NATIONS, people that commit crimes, do vandalism, and commit acts of violence for political purposes are criminals, not WARRIORS - and to attribute to them the STATUS of WARRIOR is an insult to our armed forces, and the military!
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:37 pmYes. Most of us dismiss that fact, as indicative of almost nothing, since our forces abroad have been attacked daily and our allies in Europe have been attacked on their own soil.
To embrace the “we haven’t been attacked” idea, you either have to be incredibly solipsistic, or you have to view our troops as functional lightning rods, drawing the fire of terrorists in order to keep our malls safe.
Yet terrorism continues to grow worldwide. Why? Because the Bush administration showed that it works. bin Laden’s fondest wish was to draw the US into an expensive and exhausting war in the Middle East. Bush handed him that on a silver platter. In fact, he handed him TWO wars in the middle east.
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:38 pmMr.NiceGuy Says:
So, while Iraq has been mishandled, the war on terror, specifically operations in Afghanistan, etc has been effective imo.
Is that why the Taliban controls 50% of Afghanistan and more troops were requested for there (which Bush denied to keep them in Iraq)?
Effective?
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:39 pmIn what universe,idiot?
Claiming that the war on terror has been ineffective is to dismiss the fact that we haven’t had another attack on us soil. So, while Iraq has been mishandled, the war on terror, specifically operations in Afghanistan, etc has been effective imo.
You’re either a fool or a shill; Take your pick. The operations you specify are abject failures on a planetary scale. Nothing has been gained from the illegal escapades you triumph - NOTHING. As for us not being attacked, how about you say that to the 5 soldiers killed on Friday? How about you look the widow in the eye - face to face - and tell her you feel good about her loss because YOU haven’t been harmed.
Please stop cheerleading an obvious failure; you are supporting a war criminal and a loser. You haven’t anybody else to cheer on? How about the American people who indicate by an 84% margin the country going in the wrong direction? Are you telling us that you - being a part of the glorious 16% - feel good about your king’s follies? You shouldn’t.
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:39 pmMCMetal
Claiming that the war on terror has been ineffective is to dismiss the fact that we haven’t had another attack on us soil. So, while Iraq has been mishandled, the war on terror, specifically operations in Afghanistan, etc has been effective imo.
And that dismisses the fact that the Afghani Al Qaeda have a much longer planning window for major terrorist operations, meaning chances are good it will occur in the next administration. And you’re not really arguing that the Afghanistan operation is currently running successfully, are you?
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:40 pmMr, Niceboy said: Obviously fighting terrorism is not the strength of the democrats. Can we at least admit this?
No, we can not admit that, to do so would be a lie. For homework compare and contrast the history of the bombing the WTC in 1993 vs the 9-11 plane crashes.
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:41 pmSounds like you’re saying that voters are pretty stupid, since military leaders and counter-terrorism experts all view the fight as most effectively waged through law enforcement, not military means.
But of course, if the voters you’re mostly familiar with are those who get their info from Faux News, I can understand your prejudice.
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:41 pmMr.NiceGuy Says:
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MCMetal
Claiming that the war on terror has been ineffective is to dismiss the fact that we haven’t had another attack on us soil. So, while Iraq has been mishandled, the war on terror, specifically operations in Afghanistan, etc has been effective imo.
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Over 93% of the ENTIRE heroin supply on the planet comes from Afghanistan ; it is used to fund terrorist organizations and to keep the warlords that rule the country in power.
Bin Laden is somewhere along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border , still free ; what in the hell are you talking about ?
Could you be any less informed and/or more partisan or intentionally kidding yourself ?
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:41 pmMr. NiceGuy-
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:46 pmIt IS a law enforcement issue… the military is the wrong tool for this job.
The fact that Bush declared that 9/11 was an act of war and changed everything doesn’t mean the law enforcement failed… Bush ignored the warning given to him and then pretended that ‘no one could have predicted’ that 9/11 could happen… despite the predictions that he dismissed all during the first months of his presidency…
just like ‘no one could have predicted’ that the levees in NO would fail… despite the FEMA conference and simulation that predicted EXACTLY that less than a year before Katrina…
Just like ‘no one could have predicted’ that Iraq would be a disaster of biblical proportions that would cost a fortune and net zero results except STRENGTHENING Iran… except Bush’s own counter-terrorism experts did just that in the run up to the invasion… (read Richard Clarke’s book for vivid descriptions)
and your argument that voters won’t buy it is refuted by the overwhelming turn-outs in Dem. primaries dwarfing the Rep. primaries… the race ain’t over yet but Obama’s two laps ahead and the Republicans look to be driving on fumes…
Mr.NiceGuy Says:
Leftside Annie: Calling posters juvenile names really shows your lack of maturity. Yes, I’ve seen Obama’s website and there’s very little there in terms of plans to combat ongoing terrorism.
Acting like a juvenile, shows your lack of maturity. Pointing it out, is factual. Calling others ‘juvenile’ while criticizing them of name calling is called - hypocrisy - the one thing we can always expect from cowardly republicans.
Terrorism stems from social, political and economic unrest - and as long as the US continues to meddle in international affairs it will happen. Welcome to ‘empire’. Rome had Jewish terrorists that used to slit the throats of Roman soldiers to inflict terror on them in the 1st century BC. This kind of social disobedience is what happens when you dominate other peoples and don’t give them a voice in the process.
Mr.NiceGuy Says:
Republicans hate facts:
I am not saying that I disagree with your points, however that’s basically the same strategy that John Kerry had more-or-less, and he lost. So while some of what you say may be dead right, the voters don’t want to hear that. After 911, I can’t blame them.
He LOST because Republicans said Iraq had WMDs, and the country wanted to give Bush the benefit of the doubt. The country also believed the swiftboaters and the media that attacked Kerry and the reasons Kerry lost had little to do with THIS ISSUE - TARD. The country was also in shock, and hadn’t recovered their wits enough to realize that Bush and the rest of you ReichWingers were lying sacks of unpatriotic sh*ts that would try to destroy our constitution. Luckily the population is NO LONGER as clueless as YOU ARE!
Mr.NiceGuy Says:
MCMetal
Claiming that the war on terror has been ineffective is to dismiss the fact that we haven’t had another attack on us soil. So, while Iraq has been mishandled, the war on terror, specifically operations in Afghanistan, etc has been effective imo.
1) that claim is false. We’ve had multiple anthrax attacks, and attacks on our ’soil’ we control in Iraq and Afghanistan. Also there were 8 years between the first WTC attacks and 9/11 - are you saying Clinton’s strategy was effective - as it was longer between attacks for him than for Bush…
2) You can’t assume that this strategy is in fact ‘winning’ anything. After all, we’re bleeding money, troops, prestige and the ability to actually wield influence. Those are all more important in many ways than anything else.
3) There were thwarted planned attacks in the US, made by LAW ENFORCEMENT that had nothing to do with our presence in Iraq preventing them. So the theory that Iraq would prevent terrorists from trying to attack is b*llsh*t that’s been debunked.
4) Documents seized from Al Qaeda show that their strategy is to get us into Afghanistan and Iraq and bleed us like a sacrificial lamb - what they’re doing - in order to bankrupt us. It’s nice to know that you SUPPORT AL QAEDA in their plans - it explains why Republicans funded them in the first place. YOU HATE AMERICA!
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:47 pmI’m not supporing anyone here, I’m simply saying that if Obama doesn’t develop a strategy to fight terrorism that is fundamentally different than John Kerry’s, then I think he doesn’t stand a chance of picking up any new voters with regards to his position on terrorism. The voters already rejected Kerry’s strategy, no sense to recycle it.
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:52 pmMr Nice Guy
You may certainly be ‘nice’ ; but you sure as shit aren’t too bright or particularly honest with yourself……..
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:53 pmThe voters already rejected Kerry’s strategy, no sense to recycle it.
Ahh… but this time they’ll be rejecting Bush’s strategy, and why McCain insists on recycling it is a mystery to everyone…
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:55 pmMr.NiceGuy Says:
I’m not supporing anyone here, I’m simply saying that if Obama doesn’t develop a strategy to fight terrorism that is fundamentally different than John Kerry’s, then I think he doesn’t stand a chance of picking up any new voters with regards to his position on terrorism. The voters already rejected Kerry’s strategy, no sense to recycle it.
You’re not supporting anyone, yet you’re carrying water for McCain!! ROTFL!! What a TARD!
As we REPEATEDLY have pointed out, this whole line of thought is as OUTMOTED and WRONG as far as the general population is concerned as MOST GOP TALKING POINTS ARE!
You are OUT OF TOUCH with both the PEOPLE and REALITY on this issue. When Kerry ran, the number of registered Republicans and Democrats (and those that leaned each way) were basically the same. Now, the Democrats have a double digit advantage - and the population favors Democratic positions on EVERY ISSUE INCLUDING HANDLING OF TERRORISM.
Your CONCERN TROLLING is as FULL OF SH*T as your HEAD IS!
The voters didn’t REJECT KERRY they gave BUSH AND THE GOP A CHANCE which YOU BLEW! They’re NOW SURE that YOU ARE WRONG and WANT SOMETHING ELSE! GET OVER IT - TARD - the Democrats aren’t ADOPTING YOUR LOSER POLICIES just to make you 18%ERS FEEL BETTER! You’re a MORON!
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:56 pmAlice Cooper was a rightie, too, Mr. Nice Guy…but that was when he was drunk 24/7.
You ‘Concern Trolls’ are better than the Transexual Trolls, I have to admit. At least you can spell & speak.
Do you get, like, 15 cents a post?
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:56 pmMr.NiceGuy Says:
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I’m not supporing anyone here, I’m simply saying that if Obama doesn’t develop a strategy to fight terrorism that is fundamentally different than John Kerry’s, then I think he doesn’t stand a chance of picking up any new voters with regards to his position on terrorism. The voters already rejected Kerry’s strategy, no sense to recycle it.
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:52 pm
They rejected Kerry’s strategy (tragically) , and have witnessed 1st hand that Chimpy’s plan followed the path of his entire existence ; it simply didn’t work and was completely useless.
BTW
Where on the list of concerns amongst the American public is terrorists and/or terrorism located ?
5th or 6th issue in terms of this election ?
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:56 pmMCMetal Says:
Mr Nice Guy
You may certainly be ‘nice’ ; but you sure as shit aren’t too bright or particularly honest with yourself……..
No, he’s a HYPOCRITE, and a MORON. He’s NOT NICE, he’s a PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE POS COWARD like MOST OF THE GOP CONCERN TROLLS!
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:57 pmrepublicans hate facts :
Could you please be a bit more concise? Your posts are a bit long and I really don’t need a lecture, but thanks anyway. I’m simply stating that seven years after 911, the democrats still don’t seem to grasp the magnitude of terrorism in a way that pleases voters. Diminishing the awesome gains of the US military in Afghanistan further marginalizes the “far-left” democrats.
Its really not a stretch to suggest that another attack, God forbid, would indeed help McCain. Because clearly GW was reelected exactly because of the terrorist threat.
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:58 pmMr.NiceGuy Says:
I’m not supporing anyone here, I’m simply saying that if Obama doesn’t develop a strategy to fight terrorism that is fundamentally different than John Kerry’s, then I think he doesn’t stand a chance of picking up any new voters with regards to his position on terrorism. The voters already rejected Kerry’s strategy, no sense to recycle it.
From Obama’s website:
Wow. That’s just crazy talk!
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:59 pmJust reading thru this thread was enough to make me sick. Who the F. is this barackocarter idiot? His or her’s attempt to associate Carter with Obama is exactly the new tact being taken announced last week that we warned of. They are going to associate anybody from Stalin to Hitler with Obama. What a pathetic bunch of losers the Grand Old Party is becoming.
June 23rd, 2008 at 5:00 pmBecause clearly GW was reelected exactly because of the terrorist threat.
What exactly would you consider the gains made by GW’s stategy against this terrorist threat?
Or are you really saying that the repub’s are better fear mongers than the dem’s… ’cause we can agree on that.
June 23rd, 2008 at 5:02 pmMr.NiceGuy Says
June 23rd, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Claiming that the war on terror has been ineffective is to dismiss the fact that we haven’t had another attack on us soil. So, while Iraq has been mishandled, the war on terror, specifically operations in Afghanistan, etc has been effective imo.
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I guess it depends on what you consider to be an “attack”. It’s true that we have not had any attacks of the magnitude we experienced on 9/11, but that doesn’t mean we haven’t had violent attacks.
Hussein toasterhead helpfully provided a list of some of the attacks we have had on U.S. soil since 9/11, and I have pasted his list here:
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May 2002: Luke Helder injures 6 by placing pipebombs in mailboxes in the Midwest. Motivation to protest government control over daily lives and the illegality of marijuana and promotion of astral projection
July 4, 2002: An Egyptian gunman opens fire at an El Al ticket counter in Los Angeles International Airport, killing two Israelis before being killed himself.
October 2002: John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo conduct the Beltway Sniper Attacks, killing ten people in various locations throughout the Baltimore-Washington Metropolitan Area from October 2 until they are arrested on October 24.
May 5, 2005: Two grenades thrown at the British Consulate in New York
March 3, 2006: Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar, an Iranian-born graduate of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, drives an SUV onto a crowded part of campus, injuring nine.
August 30, 2006: An Afghani Muslim hit 19 pedestrians, killing one, with his SUV in the San Francisco Bay area.
April 16, 2007: Seung-Hui Cho kills 33 people, including himself, in the Virginia Tech massacre, the worst civilian shooting spree in United States history and the worst case of mass murder in the United States since 9/11.
October 25, 2007: A pair of improvised explosive devices are thrown at the Mexican Consulate in New York City. The fake grenades were filled with black powder and detonated by fuses, causing very minor damage. Police investigate the connection between this and a similar attack against the British Consulate in New York in 2005.
February 7, 2008: Kirkwood, Missouri. A gunman storms into city hall, killing six people before being shot and killed by police.
February 14, 2008: DeKalb, Illinois. A gunman shoots 23 people in a specific sector of an Oceanography class, killing 5, at Northern Illinois University, before killing himself.
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Now, you can look at this list and say, “but none of those were terrorist attacks!” I guess that’s all how you define it. Most of these victims were pretty terrorized.
June 23rd, 2008 at 5:03 pmleftcoast Says:
SO true! But when ya got nothing to use, Ya use nothing.
And I find it ironic that the party with the Newter and the rover spouting a One-Party country for generations have just put the finishing touches on that …. but for the OTHER Party.
June 23rd, 2008 at 5:04 pmMr.NiceGuy Says:
republicans hate facts :
Could you please be a bit more concise? Your posts are a bit long and I really don’t need a lecture, but thanks anyway.
Apparently YOU DO, you’re just TOO DUMB TO KNOW IT!
You COULD be more concise, but that doesn’t mean you’ll be MORE ACCURATE, as so far all you do is spew irrelevant and inaccurate talking points…
Mr.NiceGuy Says:
I’m simply stating that seven years after 911, the democrats still don’t seem to grasp the magnitude of terrorism in a way that pleases voters.
But what you’re STATING is WRONG, and INACCURATE…
See TARD we ALL KNOW what your TALKING POINTS and ASSUMPTIONS are, they’re just WRONG! If the MAGNITUDE of TERRORISM were as VAST as YOU CLAIM, you’d be in a grave by now because of it - TARD…
Mr.NiceGuy Says:
Diminishing the awesome gains of the US military in Afghanistan further marginalizes the “far-left” democrats.
You mean in the country that’s still in chaos, that now produces the majority of Heroin and is run by drug lords and still has an insurgency large enough to have a full scale effort to take over the 2nd largest city just last week? ROTFL!! Yeah, that’s GREAT PLANNING!
What’s MARGINALIZED the FAR RIGHT is the CONSISTENT FAILURE TO MANAGE this situation, where the people are actually WORSE OFF now in Iraq and Afghanistan than when we invaded YEARS AGO!!!
Mr.NiceGuy Says:
Its really not a stretch to suggest that another attack, God forbid, would indeed help McCain. Because clearly GW was reelected exactly because of the terrorist threat.
We ALL KNOW that you CONS are DESPERATE TO KILL MORE AMERICANS just TO FEEL SAFE (ah the irony), but if that happens it will be because GWB F**kED up so badly over the last 8 years and it WILL IMMEDIATELY DEBUNK YOUR PREVIOUS STATEMENT THAT THE STRATEGY HAS WORKED BECAUSE WE HAVEN’T BEEN ATTACKED!
But I don’t expect you to have the WITS to integrate those two CONTRADICTORY POSTS, that would require you to have enough oxygen in your weak little brain that would be required from breathing someplace outside of your own *ss where your head is securely shoved..
June 23rd, 2008 at 5:05 pmDiminishing the awesome gains of the US military in Afghanistan further marginalizes the “far-left” democrats.
And spouting obvious military propaganda brands you as a pathetic shill, and little more.
June 23rd, 2008 at 5:06 pmmisshusseinmolly Says:
Now, you can look at this list and say, “but none of those were terrorist attacks!” I guess that’s all how you define it. Most of these victims were pretty terrorized.
But FACTS will NEVER satisfy TARDS like this one, they’ll just find YET ANOTHER EXCUSE to ignore them, and RAMBLE ON TO THE NEXT TALKING POINT BECAUSE THEY LOST THE LAST ONE. Then NEXT WEEK, they’ll bring up EXACTLY THE SAME DEBUNKED TALKING POINT, because their BRAIN is the SIZE OF A WALNUT!
June 23rd, 2008 at 5:06 pmleftcoast Says
June 23rd, 2008 at 5:00 pm
His or her’s attempt to associate Carter with Obama is exactly the new tact being taken announced last week that we warned of. They are going to associate anybody from Stalin to Hitler with Obama. What a pathetic bunch of losers the Grand Old Party is becoming.
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Yeah, but what else have they got? All they have are pathetic loser tactics, and the hope that enough Americans will be fooled by them.
June 23rd, 2008 at 5:07 pmbelac,
That really depends on which kind of fear you are referring to. Drowning from global warming is also fear mongering by another name. Both parties do it. I’m a member of neither.
Listen, all I’m saying is that the whole idea of needing to pass a “global test” before defending ourselves has already been delt with. I don’t see how its going to work this time, even in spite of GW’s Iraq debacle. If Obama indeed won’t benefit from another attack on US soil, and McCain will, then what does that tell you about voter perceptions?
June 23rd, 2008 at 5:07 pmmisshusseinmolly Says:
June 23rd, 2008 at 5:11 pmYeah, but what else have they got? All they have are pathetic loser tactics, and the hope that enough Americans will be fooled by them.
McCain is a throw-away candidate. The GOPer’s are looking to four years from now.
If Obama indeed won’t benefit from another attack on US soil, and McCain will, then what does that tell you about voter perceptions?
More flack.
No one here’s embraced that strawman, have they? Why do you keep repeating it?
June 23rd, 2008 at 5:11 pmThat’s one way to look at the election of ‘04, certainly. It doesn’t strike me as particularly useful, but then I have different goals than you do, apparently (i. e. to inform myself, as opposed to making myself feel better about my choice).
Anyhoo… one could well argue that, given the same electoral choice today, the nation would overwhelmingly elect Kerry over Bush, which, under your standards, would vindicate the Kerry policy, would it not?
I think a Bush approval rating of 29% might indicate that the public is now rejecting the BUSH policy.
June 23rd, 2008 at 5:12 pmPersonally, I think that we all would suffer from a terrorist attack on US soil, not benefit- but that’s just me.
June 23rd, 2008 at 5:12 pmMcCain’s people are saying that he would benefit from a terrorist attack- not me.
If Obama is out raising McCain 3 to 1 and his turnouts at the polls are similar, what does that tell you about voter perceptions?
On that, same post at #86, so was Harriet Myers to the SC; that was a total ploy.
June 23rd, 2008 at 5:13 pm“strenuously”….?
Watch out Gramps, that’ll put you in a truss for sure.
June 23rd, 2008 at 5:18 pmMr.NiceGuy Says:
belac,
That really depends on which kind of fear you are referring to. Drowning from global warming is also fear mongering by another name. Both parties do it. I’m a member of neither.
Tell that to those that drowned in new orleans - j*ck*ss.
Mr.NiceGuy Says:
Listen, all I’m saying is that the whole idea of needing to pass a “global test” before defending ourselves has already been delt with. I don’t see how its going to work this time, even in spite of GW’s Iraq debacle. If Obama indeed won’t benefit from another attack on US soil, and McCain will, then what does that tell you about voter perceptions?
Whatever, you’re a MORON!
June 23rd, 2008 at 5:19 pmWow, republicans are STUPID! They still don’t get that the country doesn’t trust them, that they are in FACT INCOMPETENT, and that they’ve done nothing but f**k up for the last 8 years! INCREDIBLE! Talk about BRAIN DEAD!
June 23rd, 2008 at 5:21 pmSometimes I forget that TP is generally a left wing community. No worries, so we disagree. Big whoop. I’m just one voter and anyway I’m not voting for either of these guys.
All I’m saying is that come October, McCain can simply remind voters (along with imagery and ominous music) that the world is dangerous and that could give him the boost to overcome a close election. Obama would never remind voters that the world is a dangerous place, and the reason he wouldn’t do that is because it obviously won’t help him win.
June 23rd, 2008 at 5:21 pmMr.NiceGuy Says:
Sometimes I forget that TP is generally a left wing community. No worries, so we disagree. Big whoop. I’m just one voter and anyway I’m not voting for either of these guys.
We don’t DISAGREE, you’re just IGNORANT AND UNINFORMED. Just because you have an OPINION, doesn’t mean it’s EDUCATED, RELEVANT or CORRECT - it just means you have a BIG MOUTH…
Mr.NiceGuy Says:
All I’m saying is that come October, McCain can simply remind voters (along with imagery and ominous music) that the world is dangerous and that could give him the boost to overcome a close election. Obama would never remind voters that the world is a dangerous place, and the reason he wouldn’t do that is because it obviously won’t help him win.
ROTFL! That will work for the 18% of you that are BRAIN DEAD, the rest of country is anesthetized to your HACKERY by now - TARD!
June 23rd, 2008 at 5:23 pmMore fearmongering, stick it up your ar$e Charlie….
June 23rd, 2008 at 5:24 pmDid Charlie finish buying Diebold Voting machines for his former company yet?
Republicans should have read the story of chicken little. They cried wolf so long, they have NO CREDIBILITY and don’t understand the BASIC PRINCIPLE that even a CHILD knows - yet they remain ignorant of! Talk about CHILDREN!
June 23rd, 2008 at 5:25 pmMr. NiceGuy-
McCain certainly can try to scare the voters, I think after this week we can argue that he has already begun his strategy of fear mongering… all I’m saying is that all the fear mongering in the world won’t help him win…
and the Republican ‘plan’ to combat terror will never make us safer- it’s done just the opposite…
June 23rd, 2008 at 5:25 pmThe world is a dangerous place- but a foreign policy based on ‘24′ and comic books just makes it more dangerous…
So MrMoron - now that you’ve been shown to be WRONG about the TERRORIST ATTACKS - care to ADMIT YOU CAME HERE UNINFORMED? Or should also LACK AT YOUR INSECURITY and INABILITY TO ADMIT YOU ARE WRONG - JUST LIKE BUSH!! ROTFL!!
June 23rd, 2008 at 5:26 pmOh, and MrMoron, if BUSH hadn’t IGNORED THE SITUATION, we probably would have stopped 9-11. The GOP is truly the PARTY OF INCOMPETENCE!
June 23rd, 2008 at 5:28 pmMr.NiceGuy Says:
Sometimes I forget that TP is generally a left wing community. No worries, so we disagree. Big whoop. I’m just one voter and anyway I’m not voting for either of these guys.
All I’m saying is that come October, McCain can simply remind voters (along with imagery and ominous music) that the world is dangerous and that could give him the boost to overcome a close election. Obama would never remind voters that the world is a dangerous place, and the reason he wouldn’t do that is because it obviously won’t help him win.
I am a registered Independent and have voted of other than the D side of the ballot many times.
But WTF does Johnny Boy bring to the table that would make me feel ’safer’ in this dangerous world than Obama?
Other than Obama might actually have a Foreign Policy plan with more insight and intelligence than McCain? That he will bring about a coalition of other governments before firing from the hip? That he will have a much smarter and better prepared staff than McCain (i.e. Joe Lieberman, Linseed Graham,, etc.)? That he will bring our troops home or send more to Afghanistan and actually rebuild our combat strength?
If he does very many of those things, he will make up for much of the happy horsesh!t politics of BushCo these past 7 1/2 years that Johnny Boy wants to continue to blindly follow.
June 23rd, 2008 at 5:30 pmbarackocarter Says:
No Annie. That is an over-simplified progressive urban legend. But keep repeating it often enough on enough different sites and some non-thinking people will bite.
Funny how history has a liberal bias…WAH WAH WAH~! History is so mean to conservatives…
Cry me a river…it’s the TRUTH.
June 23rd, 2008 at 5:38 pmThe Reagan administration wanted Saddam to be a bulwark against the Iranians…and the rest is history…You can’t ignore history by crying “LIBERAL BIAS” “OVER-SIMPLIFIED PROGRESSIVE URBAN LEGEND…”
June 23rd, 2008 at 5:41 pmIt’s good to see Mr.NiceGuy in the game. We haven’t had a good concern-troll here in ages.
June 23rd, 2008 at 5:41 pmrepublicans hate facts,
Please try to clean up your language a bit. It makes you seem a bit unhinged. Just so you know.
upside99,
June 23rd, 2008 at 5:43 pmIncidentally, being an Independent yourself, you must recognize the true independent streaks in John McCain, as opposed to this unsupported idea of “Change” expressed by Barrack Obama. As I see things, McCain has often infuriated his party due to his independant nature, while Obama has never really gone against his own party on anything, and infact seems to tow the party line. I’m not a big fan of either of these candidates, however I think McCain will have appeal to security minded independents, regardless whether his terror strategy is simply an extension of Bush’s.
McCain gets to skate when a close advisor speaks the most outrageous of comments. Obama is raked over the coals for weeks when someone who doesn’t even work for his campaign says anything inappropriate. (McCain can do no wrong - Obama is wrong even because he is either not black or not white either — and anyone he ever met is somehow his responsibility to answer for.)
June 23rd, 2008 at 5:43 pmDouble standard? Oh no, not in the USA, not in our media — where would I ever get such an idea?
You have to love the delusion that Republicans are better at fighting terrorism. 5 planes flew off course for almost an hour over protected air space and nobody in the administration notified the president or scrambled fighter jets as are supposed to in these circumstances. And that was after they had warnings that bin Laden planned to attack from multiple sources.
You’d think that they would have at least got around to calling for help when one of the planes was headed towards the Pentagon or the White House.
June 23rd, 2008 at 5:50 pmI applaud his efforts, Ralph… but unfortunately for concern trolls everywhere, NiceGuys finish last and Mr. NiceGuy doesn’t seem to be an exception.
June 23rd, 2008 at 5:50 pmAlthough, it must be admitted, I’ve seen more effective and convincing concern trolls in my time.
June 23rd, 2008 at 5:52 pmSure the Think Progress name can be tricky for deep thinkers like you.
June 23rd, 2008 at 5:53 pmMr.NiceGuy Says:
…however I think McCain will have appeal to security minded independents, regardless whether his terror strategy is simply an extension of Bush’s.
I’m sorry, I have seen nothing but terror from Bush. Terror in a non-defined energy policy, with the exception of destabilization of the middle-east for his own gain and for those who brought him to office. A terror policy that has alienated America from the rest of the world. A policy on Niger that continues to keep the population denied of the fruits of their labor.
June 23rd, 2008 at 5:55 pmMr. NiceGuy, you are perhaps the least informed person typing at this site outside of some of the regular trolls who are just as clueless as you. And the reason I bring that up is that if anybody here wanted to be lectured by somebody as ill informed as you are we’d probably just shoot ourselves.
June 23rd, 2008 at 5:58 pmMr.NiceGuy Says:
upside99,
Incidentally, being an Independent yourself, you must recognize the true independent streaks in John McCain, as opposed to this unsupported idea of “Change” expressed by Barrack Obama. As I see things, McCain has often infuriated his party due to his independant nature, while Obama has never really gone against his own party on anything, and infact seems to tow the party line.
That McCain is a real maverick. That’s probably why he voted the Bush line 98% of the time. Some independence. When he did oppose some of the stupider Bush ideas, back around 2000, you might have been able to claim he was “independent”. Or you might have thought he was just really ticked off at Bush for the tactics of the 2000 primaries. Once he calmed down, he got back on board the Bush Ship of Fools.
Obama may not have “gone against his party” but that could be because his party is more often correct than McCain’s.
And, by the way, the expression is “toe the line”. “Tow the line” is something you only do if you’ve got a dinghy behind you.
June 23rd, 2008 at 5:59 pmMr.NiceGuy Says:
upside99,
Incidentally, being an Independent yourself, you must recognize the true independent streaks in John McCain, as opposed to this unsupported idea of “Change” expressed by Barrack Obama. As I see things, McCain has often infuriated his party due to his independant nature
Uhhh, have you listened to ANYTHING Johnny Boy has said recently? Almost everything he USED to say that might have ‘infuriated’ his Party, has now been flipped over like a 90 pound sh!t pancake. He is owned by the same people that own BushCo and THAT scares me sleepless.
He has sold his soul for a sniff of the Oval Office air that he so cherishes before he takes that Big Siesta in a few years. Somehow, that just doesn’t give me a strong sense of safety.
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:02 pmWell said, gum. Well said.
It doesn’t take a “maverick”™ to oppose stupid policies.
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:05 pmWhen you consider all of the bipartisan legislation that McCain introduced and passed, its clear that he at least knows how to form his own opinions and stands for his own personal beliefs, regardless of his political party. You simply cannot make that claim about Obama since he doesn’t actually have any history of bipartisan efforts nor has he introduced or passed any legislation to date. But by all means, support your guy. He seems nice, a bit light on experience, but nice.
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:23 pmOne could argue that the Heroin Epidemic, fueled by Taliban Poppies, is a terrorist attack. How many people have died from OD’s and Gang shootings? How much property has been lost/stolen to support addicts expensive habits?
Bin Laden succeded in 2001, because Bush had his mind on Missle Defense, and was Blindsided by Boxcutters. A carefull check of passenger lists, and air marshals could have thwarted the whole deadly plan. Bush, and his so called National Security Team were asleep at the switch.
AlQaeda called off a poison gas attack plot because they are into the Spectacular, and this cancelled attack wasn’t spectacular enough. And thanks to Bush, Iraq provided them with many targets for many years.
For Bush to focus all our Blood and Treasure on “Al Qaeda in Iraq” while ignoring the great many Other threats our country faces….is not National Security.
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:25 pmMr. NiceGuy should say:
When you consider all the bipartisan legislation that McCain introduced and passed, it makes his caving to the NeoCons in his own party all the more tragic, especially since it will ultimately fail to get him elected…
but his personal tragedy will be a public catharsis and we can all thank him for allowing us to witness the final fall of the NeoCon agenda…
There’s a lesson here for you Mr. NiceGuy- don’t tie yourself to the mast if you’re letting Bush steer the boat, he has a history of going under and throwing others overboard on the way down…
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:32 pmMr.NiceGuy Says:
You simply cannot make that claim about Obama since he doesn’t actually have any history of bipartisan efforts nor has he introduced or passed any legislation to date.
Sorry.. I can’t let that pass….educate yourself:
Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act of 2006
This act of Congress, introduced by Senators Obama and Coburn, required the full disclosure of all entities or organizations receiving federal funds in FY2007
The Lugar-Obama Cooperative Threat Reduction.
Introduced by Sen. Barack Obama, Sen. Dick Lugar and Sen. Tom Coburn.
First introduced in November 2005 and enacted in 2007, this bill expanded upon the successful Nunn-Lugar threat reduction, which helped secure weapons of mass destruction and related infrastructure in former Soviet Union states.
The Lugar-Obama Cooperative Threat Reduction.
Introduced by Sen. Barack Obama, Sen. Dick Lugar and Sen. Tom Coburn.
First introduced in November 2005 and enacted in 2007, this bill expanded upon the successful Nunn-Lugar threat reduction, which helped secure weapons of mass destruction and related infrastructure in former Soviet Union states.
Honest Leadership and Open Government Act
In the first month of the 110th Congress, Obama worked with Sen. Russ Feingold to pass this law, which amends and strengthens the Lobbying Disclosure Act of 1995.
that’s a partial list. for more:
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:39 pmhttp://www.dailykos.com/ storyonly/ 2008/ 6/ 10/ 10532/ 8283/ 610/ 533309
belac,
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:44 pmThis “Bush is bad” stuff is fine, but it won’t get Obama elected. Sorry. Eventually the voters will be wondering exactly what Obama has accomplished and will judge his record accordingly.
For a white guy, Mr. Black is an idiot. Come to think of it, if Black were black, he’d still be an idiot.
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:44 pmAnother terrist attack would be a terrible thing, but I think we may have learned that a knee jerk reaction, especially one involving committing hundreds of thousands of troops for half a decade, targeted at a nation that had NOTHING to do with the attack, just might be a bad effing idea.
It’s pretty obvious that MisterNiceFella hasn’t read any of Obama’s books, nor studied his work in the Illinois state senate, nor investigated the work he did in Chicago as a community organizer.
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:46 pmBetter credentials than an ExPOW who has a web of ties to the corporate oligarchy.
Badger
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:49 pmSorry, looks like I exaggerated. My apologies. I suppose I should have said any *meaningful*, or certainly any *major* legislation. The expansion bills are cute though. I’m sure some voters might be impressed with that distinguished list of accomplishments.
Mr. Nice Guy
Try this website:
http://www.usaspending.gov/index.php
It is like Google for EVERY PENNY of Tax Money Spent by our Government. It exists because of the Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act of 2006. Obama did it!
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:58 pmMr. NiceGuy~
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:04 pmAll this ‘record’ stuff is fine, but EVERY presidential election is, in some respects, a referendum on the previous admin. and Obama will not only attract voters who like him for him, he will also be helped by the vast numbers of Evangelical Christians who choose to sit this one out… I can see that there is no convincing you.
Sorry, it almost seems as if you just came here to parrot all the Republican talking points under the guise of a ‘concerned’ independent… shocking!
OooooOOOoooo!!! The troll says I’m immature!!!
I’m just …crushed.
Yeah. Right. I’m not trolling RedState for 10 cents a post….
Just sayin’.
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:16 pmGood evening, good folks.
Poor widdle brownshirt troll - it is just one, isn’t it? I mean, even if it’s two … they’re joined into one stinkin’ mouthbreathing lockstep monotone.
McCain “freethinking?” Nope, he’s just another lemming owned by the RepubLIEcons.
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:28 pmMr.NiceGuy Says:
This “Bush is bad” stuff is fine, but it won’t get Obama elected. Sorry. Eventually the voters will be wondering exactly what Obama has accomplished and will judge his record accordingly.
no i think that most people are looking foward to what he CAN accomplish that will be in the best interests of all americans - and it seems that he wants to do it through diplomacy and common sense - concepts completely foreign to this current admin and their supporters.
June 23rd, 2008 at 8:13 pmSorry Charlie. Sometimes you just can’t put the toothpaste back in the tube. We know you meant what you said.
June 23rd, 2008 at 8:45 pmLeftside Annie Says:
OooooOOOoooo!!! The troll says I’m immature!!!
I’m just …crushed.
Yeah. Right. I’m not trolling RedState for 10 cents a post….
Sorry Annie. The Right doesn’t allow trolls. They don’t allow anyone who doesn’t agree with them. Do the trolls who come here realize that they are lucky they can even post here? If someone from the left goes to redstate and makes one post contrary to their conventional wisdom, bam…they are gone. They are banned not only by their e-mail address, but also by their IP address. The right can’t handle the truth so they silence the truth sayers.
June 23rd, 2008 at 8:47 pmMr.NiceGuy Says:
Badger
Sorry, looks like I exaggerated. My apologies. I suppose I should have said any *meaningful*, or certainly any *major* legislation. The expansion bills are cute though. I’m sure some voters might be impressed with that distinguished list of accomplishments.
So troll, what “meaningful” or “major” legislation did Bush have under his belt when he took office?
June 23rd, 2008 at 8:48 pmToo bad I’m too late for this thread. I just thought up a good question for the troll:
Tell us what “meaningful” or “major” legislation McCain has under his belt that he hasn’t flipped on!
June 23rd, 2008 at 8:56 pmBlack does not regret his comments and he is un-American for making a statement that welcomes an attack on US soil.
June 23rd, 2008 at 9:50 pmThe guy made a highly inflamatory and inappropriate statement in public.
Anyone going to bet if McCain is going to get rid of him (what he would do if he really meant to disavow the guy’s comments)
-or-
keep him (nudge, nudge, wink, wink).
June 23rd, 2008 at 10:20 pmOBAMA is soft he will neuter America. He is muslim and will welcome terrorist here
June 23rd, 2008 at 11:44 pmdrick23 Says:
Scary black men! Hide your women!!!!
June 24th, 2008 at 12:58 amLittle dricky is a little green football. The lowest of bottom feeders. He has nothing but lies to tell.