ABC News reports that, during a breakfast with Republican insiders at the Capitol Hill Club, Karl Rove attacked Barack Obama as “the guy at the country club with the beautiful date, holding a martini and a cigarette that stands against the wall and makes snide comments about everyone who passes by.”
If there’s anyone who knows anything about country club settings, it’s Karl Rove. As Matthew Yglesias writes, “Rove assumes that ‘you know this guy’ but unless ‘you’ are a wealthy person from the past, you probably don’t know a guy like that.” Here are just a few reports of Rove’s country club fundraisers in recent years:
– “The problem for these Democrats is that their policies would have consequences and their policies would make us more, not less, vulnerable,” Rove said from a podium beneath the beamed, vaulted ceilings and brass chandeliers of the Inverness Country Club in Toledo. “And in war, weakness emboldens your enemies and it’s an invitation for disaster.” [AP, 8/29/06]
– “While Karl Rove was enroute to talk at a campaign fundraiser for Republican congressional candidate Mike Whalen at the members-only Sunnyside Country Club Monday, roughly three dozen protesters stood along Ansborough Avenue with signs showing what they thought of President Bush’s deputy chief of staff.” [WCF Courier, 6/26/06]
– “Deputy White House Chief of Staff Karl Rove called on Oakland County Republicans for their support in the next presidential election and criticized Democrats for wanting to pull out of Iraq during a speech Saturday night at Shenandoah Country Club. […] The crowd at the $65-a-ticket event gave him a standing ovation at 6:50 p.m. as he approached a podium.” [Detroit News, 3/25/07]
– “Putting Democrats in charge of Congress would embolden terrorists and put Americans in danger, presidential adviser Karl Rove told local Republicans at a fundraiser Friday. […] The fundraiser, at Tucson Country Club, attracted other Republican candidates, including Congressional District 7 candidate Ron Drake and gubernatorial candidate Len Munsil, who used the opportunity to criticize his opponent.” [Arizona Daily Star, 9/30/06]
The truth is that Karl Rove is “the guy at the country club,” cozying up with the members for a few bucks.
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UpdateGreg Sargent writes, "It should also be noted, of course, that Rove took a man who
actually is a country club denizen who makes 'snide comments' about others — that would be George W. Bush — and turned him into a regular Joe." Steve Benen adds, "Usually [Rove's] ugly attacks
aren’t quite this silly."
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It’s just astonishing that someone like Rove, who served a president with as near-dictatorial powers as any president has ever enjoyed, can sit back and complain about Democrats and the consequences of their policies.
Just take a look at the consequences of the last democratic president: record economic expansion, extended peace, budget surplus, worldwide respect.
Contrast that with the consequences of the Bush policies.
‘Nuff said.
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:02 pmi think drafting kkkarl to fight in iraq (by himself) is the only way to avoid emboldening the terrorists
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:03 pmKarl Rove attacked Barack Obama as “the guy at the country club with the beautiful date, holding a martini and a cigarette that stands against the wall and makes snide comments about everyone who passes by.
- - That statement is far more revealing about Rove’s own insecurities.
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:03 pmKarl Rove is not just the Architect, he should be go down in history as the person who sparked the greatest political battle of all time for democracy in America. His ideal is that all of us are unable to govern. That we are too stupid and that only the smart and powerful should dictate our future.
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:05 pmthis just in: karl rove attacks obama as “the bald fat white guy who exposed valerie plame”
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:07 pmKarl, jealous country club republican, sitting all alone sipping ginger ale, thinking of that Kennedy girl that beat him up so long ago…
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:08 pmThe only place Rove should be throwing stones from is a prison cell. Scum sucking traitor.
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:09 pmRove, the guy who quit college to rat-fuch an election has fuch us. A smart guy with twisted look at the world. And watch out for his party boys at Blackwater. They WILL walk our streets in the next disaster.
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:09 pmBadmoodman Says:
Karl Rove attacked Barack Obama as “the guy at the country club with the beautiful date, holding a martini and a cigarette that stands against the wall and makes snide comments about everyone who passes by.
- - That statement is far more revealing about Rove’s own insecurities.
That’s what struck me about it. Rove is the fat pasty-faced mouth breather who never has a beautiful date that he didn’t pay for, and looks like a moron holding a drink that isn’t in a paper bag.
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:09 pmHey KKKarl, your 15 minutes have come and gone. Need more proof? You are now a paid shill on Faux NoNooz!!!!
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:12 pmIsn’t this basically the Straussian view?
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:13 pmHehe. What a desperate dough boy.
Shitting on the on the blueprint doesn’t make you “The Architect.”
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:14 pmRove is just another pathetic right-wing loser-moron projecting his demented dreams onto someone else, someone else who is actually cool… P. S. Karl, you really don’t need to smoke cigarettes to be “cool.” Actually, smoking is rather uncool…
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:15 pmRegardless of Rove’s comment, Barrack Obama does continue to have an elitist perception problem, which is one reason his campaign is trying to re-market him and reintroduce him to the voters. John Kerry was an elitist too.
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:15 pmralph- I need a Karl Stauss right now.
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:16 pmThere we go again someone putting the moniker of elitist on Obama. Another tactic of the GOP to say that dems are elitist. Christ, look who were really the elitist of the last 8 years. Look…….
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:19 pmMr.NiceGuy Says:
Regardless of Rove’s comment, Barrack Obama does continue to have an elitist perception problem, which is one reason his campaign is trying to re-market him and reintroduce him to the voters. John Kerry was an elitist too.
You really are a putz.
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:21 pm“Barrack Obama does continue to have an elitist perception problem, which is one reason his campaign is trying to re-market him and reintroduce him to the voters. John Kerry was an elitist too.”
Does this comment make any sense? It first claims a perception problem but then makes what appears to be some sort of alledged statement of fact but then adds the word too somehow trying to turn what was previously identified as a perception into some sort of alledged fact. I lived down the road from the Bushes for years. Trust me they are elitists!
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:22 pmElitist??? A president who gave away this country to Enron, Who’s father gave you the S&L banckruptcy that cost us another fortune. The guys who gave you the housing foreclosures.
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:24 pmExxonMobile, Chevron, BP. Who the f do you guys think are running this country.
Rove finally pegged himself as a dumbass one-trick pony. :-D
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:25 pmMr.NiceGuy Says:
Regardless of Rove’s comment, Barrack Obama does continue to have an elitist perception problem, which is one reason his campaign is trying to re-market him and reintroduce him to the voters. John Kerry was an elitist too.
Only because the beltway villagers say so, nothing else. The beltway wants McSame to get elected so they can validate what they think is ‘best for the country’. Of course that is false because the beltway wants what’s ‘best for them’.
Does anyone think it is odd that Obama - being probably the poorest of the bunch - is constantly labeled ‘elitist’? Most of the pundits are millionaires, McSame is screwing an ugly woman to have access to her millions, Bush is rich, rover is rich, cheney is rich, etc…All these ‘country clubbers’ are faulting Obama because he has a ‘perception’ as an elitist?
Now that is rich….The GOP is hate - nothing more, nothing less. The Beltway pundits labeled Obama, and the trolls of our world pick up the word and run with it. The poorest of Americans cheerleading the richest of Americans. Why does that make me feel bad for the trolls?
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:27 pmrogerse Says:
Huh..something about rove at a country club, saying obama is “the guy” from the country club???.
go back to sleep.
we’ll wake you after november.
try not to wet the bed.
that’s a good boy.
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good luck.
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June 23rd, 2008 at 6:27 pm#9: Rove is the fat pasty-faced mouth breather who never has a beautiful date that he didn’t pay for, and looks like a moron holding a drink that isn’t in a paper bag.
- - Rove only has drinks that have tiny umbrellas in them.
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:28 pmMr.NiceGuy, I’d like to know how the proposal of policies benefiting Americans is ‘elitist’? After that, explain to me how tax cuts benefiting the rich is a humble, caring concept.
This country has its perceptions misplaced, apparently, and that’s why too many of her citizens continue to vote against their own economic interests. Middle-class jobs are outsourced, and the middle-class workers who can hang on to their meager wages are disproportionately taxed.
‘Elitism’ is when you don’t give a shit about the poor.
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:28 pmZooey Says:
Rove finally pegged himself as a dumbass one-trick pony. :-D
Just listening to New Orleans . And seeing your comment made me think of the thousands that still sit there in trailers. Hecka of job Brownie and the rest of the fuc. up administration.
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:29 pmThe elitist in the race is the guy from the family of admirals who married a ultra rich Paris Hilton type and who owns more houses than any couple should. Also claims to be qualified to be POTUS, not because he has any knowledge of issues, but because he is an ex-pow. there are many good men in prison today that I would rather have as POTUS than the old fool who thinks his sh*t doesn’t stink.
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:29 pmOh, yeah, the guy who worked as a community organizer, university lecturer in Constitutional law, State Senator, who just paid off his student loans, an elitist.
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:33 pmFack Off Karly, you and your ilk are toast in November. Slink away before somebody stomps your pasty ass.
Mr.NiceGuy Says:
Regardless of Rove’s comment, Barrack Obama does continue to have an elitist perception problem
SO, having a semi-literate rich boy with 2 store-bought degrees from elitist colleges that fakes a southern accent and plays air guitar with some country singer while New Orleans is flooding and thousands of people are dying, whose mother said the people that were evacuated to the Astro-dome were ‘living better than they were in their homes’ is LESS elitiest than Obama?
And, Johnny Boy was legacyed into the Naval Academy, was semi-literate, crashed a lot of US taxpayers aircraft and laughed about it, dumped his wife for gaining weight when he returned from the Hanoi Hilton Spa and Club, who married into a multi-millionaire family and is owned by the K Street Lobby whores.
Please explain how there is ANY comparison from these two assklowns and Obama being elitist??
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:33 pmdbadass,
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:34 pmMainstream voters considered John Kerry to be an elitist. I wasn’t sure if you realized that. You can debate it or whatever, but regardless, Kerry lost. So I’m just saying that if Obama is also perceived to be elitist, and his “cling” comments
seem to support that perception, then he may too have a problem identifying with voters.
jb Says:
The elitist in the race is the guy from the family of admirals who married a ultra rich Paris Hilton type and who owns more houses than any couple should.
Yep. She just bought another in San Diego.
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:35 pmUpside99,
Just so you know, voters find this quote a tad bit elitist.
“And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
-Barack Hussein Obama II
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:37 pmObama was organizing for poor communities in Chicago while McCain was dumping his crippled wife and picking up the rich rich rich Paris Hilton of his generation.
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:39 pmOur trolls: The absolute poorest Americans feeling all giddy that the GOP thinks they are important. Hey trolls, quick question: Do you ever feel as though you are being taken advantage of? Supporting the elite class which has no idea you even exist? Super rich folks pissing all over your future, but there you are, supporting them as though you were related or something. I know there isn’t much intellect to get shared amongst all the trolls, but you would think one of them would realize that they are standing behind all the people who brought you war, $5 a gallon gas, housing bubble, SS issues, global warming, offshoring of jobs, giveaways to the rich on Wall Street, tax break to the wealthy, etc…The rich are using the poor trolls to distract the discussion, but they are also taking money and opportunity from those very same trolls. Do they know they are being had? Why would they support institutions which are working overtime to take advantage of them? That sounds strange to me.
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:39 pmMr.NiceGuy Says:
dbadass,
Mainstream voters considered John Kerry to be an elitist. I wasn’t sure if you realized that. You can debate it or whatever, but regardless, Kerry lost. So I’m just saying that if Obama is also perceived to be elitist, and his “cling” comments
seem to support that perception, then he may too have a problem identifying with voters.
John Kerry essentially split the popular vote with the incumbent president, so being “an elitist” didn’t seem to hurt him. What did hurt him, besides the voting machine manipulation in Ohio, was the fact that he’s a stick and not very personable and the fact that he didn’t fight back against the lies spread by the Swift Boaters.
Obama is the one not born with a silver spoon in his mouth; feeble attempts by Clinton and now by the Right to make him look “elitist” are just silly.
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:39 pmMr. NiceGuy,
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:40 pmIf it is your belief that voters “considered” John Kerry an elitist than say so. What you said was the John Kerry WAS an elitist. This implies a reality not a perception. BTW: It also suggests that assuming Mr Kerry was an elitist, I premise I do not buy, that he no longer is. The whole thing is meaningless since people want a president who is not some sort of schmoo having a beer in some shitass corner bar. They have seen where that leads
Actually Cindy beer money is several year his junior, but then who isn’t?
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:40 pmMr.NiceGuy Says:
Regardless of Rove’s comment, Barrack Obama does continue to have an elitist perception problem, which is one reason his campaign is trying to re-market him and reintroduce him to the voters. John Kerry was an elitist too.
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:15 pm
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When did “elitist” become an epithet?
Seriously. We’re not picking the captain of the kickball team here. The man is running for PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
Leader of the free world. Captain of the world’s most powerful economy, and commander of the world’s most powerful military.
Isn’t an elitist — a man who knows stuff and who’s all educated and stuff and who speaks with more than a two-syllable vocabulary — the kind of guy we want in that job?
After eight years of have-a-beer-with mediocrity, I’m thinking this country could do with an elitist right about now.
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:41 pmMr.NiceGuy Says:
Upside99,
Just so you know, voters find this quote a tad bit elitist.
“And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
No you may say SOME voters feel that way, probably the elitist racists who fear having a non-white, non-pudgy rich guy in the WH.
I, as one voter, find that statement to ring very true.
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:41 pmIf being smart, well spoken, highly informed and hard working, makes one an elitist, then give me an elitist for POTUS.
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:42 pmYeah, just as Rove is the slob at the cocktail party, who spreads rumors and slimes everyone there, who comes with his boyfriend, drinks a few beers and smokes a cigar. Rove, who would be a turd without the blossom if it weren’t that he kenlt before the boy-king.
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:44 pmWhy isn’t Rove in jail for treason?
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:45 pmWas TurdBlossom wearing a FLAGPIN when he said that? M’F%$er…
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:46 pmKarl Rove, always a bridesmaid, never a bride — the lonely outsider at the prom — looking for a few loser pals to hang out with and criticize everyone else.
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:46 pmDo you think he will find another loser to pal around with in the prison cell that’s in his future.
“And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
-Barack Hussein Obama II
And that is simply the various responses Obama got when he asked ‘regular’ Americans what their concerns were. Bush has created that bitterness by ignoring the will and wants of his citizenry. They are bitter because of that.
Their jobs are disappearing, their educations are lower than most idustrialized countries, their opportunities are shrinking, their retirement is going to be very difficult, the war is going to the toilet, etc…Those realizations will make a thoughtful person bitter and wanting a change - don’t you think? It makes me bitter to think Bush hasn’t been impeached yet.
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:46 pmjb Says:
Why isn’t Rove in jail for treason?
Better ask the Dems in Congress that question.
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:47 pmWhat seems to be elitist to me, is all these neo-cons thinking they are above the law.
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:47 pmObama even being allowed into a country club is relatively new.
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:47 pmRove has a James Bond fantasy. He wants desperately to not be a balding, fat, ugly white whore. Sorry, Karly, if the foo shits, wear it.
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:49 pmMr. NiceGuy~
John Kerry was also the ‘most liberal’ senator as well! Shockingly I recently read the Obama has now surpassed Kerry as ‘the most liberal’ senator!
Shocking coincidence, don’t you think? Either that or there is a concerted effort to paint any Dem. Candidate as too liberal, too old school, too elitist, too base and crass, too rich, too class conscious, too hot, too cool, too white, too black, too blah, too blue, etc. ad nauseum…
Weird, huh…
but, I don’t think that dog’ll hunt… I think you guys just look silly and desperate (the voters seem to agree with me this time, too!)
See ya in November!
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:49 pmZed Lefflin Says:
Upside99, was that you I seen out by Wal-mart holding your gun and yelling at passing cars just before you were arrested last week? My friends at the club were watching you on TV…..
No, that was lockedbox, I am too elitist to step foot in a Wal-Mart. I like to shop where the store treats their employees like people, not like sheep.
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:49 pmupside99 Says:
No you may say SOME voters feel that way, probably the elitist racists who fear having a non-white, non-pudgy rich guy in the WH.
I, as one voter, find that statement to ring very true.
He was just using his troll superpower: mindreading. Thus the language “voters find” . . .
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:50 pm“And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
If you have few economic options, you’re left with more time to cling to those guns and religion. Republicans fake outrage at this quote because they want their unfortunate parrots to know their place and continue to vote against their interests. Barack Obama has a plan that will reach them and help them improve their economic standing. If only we could settle them down and tell them you don’t have to complain. Really, republicans are just screwing with your brain.
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:51 pmBut don’t worry about the libs. Neocons like Mark Levin can’t get you your job back, but hey, he likes his steak with ketchup!
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:55 pmif you have all the pundits on faux news and CNN spend 10 hours a day asking “is this politician an elitist?” for several months at a time, people will think that person is an elitist regardless of weather or not he/she is. it’s called propoganda
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:56 pmYeah, well I am bitter and I am clinging to my guns and the few rights I still have after the neo-con party hijacked the government. One right I still presume to have is my right to vote. Obama is the only reasonable choice for POTUS. I’ll never vote for a Republican again. Oregon’s Governer McCall was the last Republican I had any respect for.
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:58 pmfaux news: “is neopro filled with candy? we’ll spend the next 9 months debating it”….by the end of those nine months, people will start qnawing on my arms to get chocolaty goodness. this is how kerry got pegged as elitist. please dont fall for the same lies again
June 23rd, 2008 at 6:59 pmI did.
John Kerry was, is and always will be an elitist. That was so obvious during the election. Come on. Don’t pretend he isn’t.
Agreed. Clinton was a disaster.
My point, however, is that Obama wouldn’t be going through a marketing repackaging/reintroduction to the voters if he didn’t have some perception problems. Clearly he does. I just wonder when the real Obama is going to stand up and show himself. Election is getting close and we’ve got an emtpy-suit elitist running with a two word vocabulary: hope and change. Wow.
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:00 pmfaux news: “is neopro filled with candy? we’ll spend the next 9 months debating it”….
Yep…Remember the terrorist fist jab? Over and over again…
Geez, I’m feeling more bitter every day.
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:02 pmClinton was a disaster? That certainly isn’t the “perception” of the masses.
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:02 pmMarie Says:
Karl Rove, always a bridesmaid, never a bride
- - He’ll make a beautiful and obedient prison bride.
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:02 pmI speculate here, that think Obama is in the minority of people coming out of Columbia and Harvard who truly care about the poor. Correct me, please, if that sounds off.
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:03 pmMr. Nice Guy,
For someone who “isn’t voting for either of them”, you sure sound like a McCain campaign shill.
Mind telling us who you are voting for? And answer honestly, OK?
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:04 pmBush and McCain are the definition of elitist. No real qualifications except a huge sense of entitlement.
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:04 pmMr. NiceGuy, Now that you have taken the concrete stand that Mr. Obama is an elitist would you like to make your case as to what tangible evidences point you to this conclusion? I am assuming you are not using the “of superior quality” definition of elite
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:06 pmMy point, however, is that Obama wouldn’t be going through a marketing repackaging/reintroduction to the voters if he didn’t have some perception problems.
Your points are worthless, your opinions are garbage. How’s that? Your idiot squatting in the WH is an elitist by any definition.
You THINK you feel the perception because you NEED to feel the perception. You are very pliable, according to the GOP - its what they told you to say. Just throw some BS out there and you will scoop it up and run with it. We have had 7+ years of an idiot in the WH. Why is it so bad that maybe we will have a smart and competent chief executive? Is the GOP scared of smart people too? They are scared of so many different things, it is very difficult to keep these frightening in order. Boo!
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:08 pmIf Obama is really the snide commenting, martini toting, country club elitist Rover says that he is then how come he isn’t getting his funding from the elite captains of oil industries like McCain JerkButt getting $300,000 from a certain Mr.rape-isn’t-that-big-a-deal-cause-I’m-a-rich-old-fart.
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:09 pmupside99,
I have not yet decided who to vote for. It won’t be Obama nor McCain. Both are rat politicians imo. I like McCain’s personal story more, but that’s about it. I think they both blow. I kind of like Barr’s ideas a bit with regards to cutting govt. spending, but he too has flaws. I understand there is no perfect candidate. I’d actually like to vote for a moderate centrist with strong leadership skills, like Schwarzenegger, but obviously that’s not going to happen this time around.
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:10 pmElection is getting close and we’ve got an emtpy-suit elitist running with a two word vocabulary: no hope and change that isn’t really any different than the existing corporate oligarchy. Wow.
Yeah, it’s a pity the repuglycans couldn’t come up with a better candidate.
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:10 pmAnd Rove is the chubby, balding, dough-boy who whines at parties that no-one gets his sense of humor.
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:11 pmAgreed. Clinton was a disaster.
I had a good childhood during the 90s because of the good job Clinton did. I’m referring mainly to the economy, especially the housing market. I didn’t fully come to appreciate the good job he did until the first few years into this decade — shortly before I was eligible to vote — because my parents’ complaining had me gleaned onto me the faulty impression that conservatives have a birthright to be be in office for a lifetime.
I’m not sure that I would have chosen any other decade to spend the bulk of my youth. This decade has sucked.
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:11 pmMrDumfuk ~ it’s pretty damned obvious you’re a concern troll. We’ve had your BS type around before and there’ll be many more incarnations of the
“well, I don’t know who I’m voting for…”
Try Bob Barr.
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:12 pmI like McCain’s personal story more..??
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:13 pmSo how many disabled faithful wives have YOU dumped?
Mr. Nice Guy,
Thanks for answering that question. I respect your candor on that.
But it still sounds like you you are totally negative to Obama and haven’t said anything negative about McCain. Doesn’t his flip-flopping, BushCo supporting, dishonesty and K Street whore-mongering bother you …. A LITTLE bit?
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:15 pmRUCerious Says:
I like McCain’s personal story more..??
So how many disabled faithful wives have YOU dumped?
OMG!!! That was perfect! Yeah, McSame is a real ‘down to earth’ guy, huh?
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:15 pmMr.NiceGuy Says:
Regardless of Rove’s comment, Barrack Obama does continue to have an elitist perception problem…
This is pure crap. He Does NOT have that problem at all. This is a pure right wing talking point that the neocons have been hanging on every Democrat that has opposed them since the 1960s. The definition of elitist is synonymous with the rethug party not the Dems. Look at the definition.
elitist
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:16 pma person who believes that a system or society should be ruled or dominated by an elite.
jb: Both Bush and McPappy graduated in the bottom l% of their class and were elevated on the coat tails of their rich, influential fathers. They’ve both become abysmal disgraces.
But remember; they are not elitist - just ask our idiot trolls. Rich, white, priviledged, uneducated losers are not elite.
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:17 pmBob Barr’s flipped a few positions and works with the ACLU, a good change of heart that deserves some credit. But as far as a “President Barr” is concerned, I have no respect for a man who leaves his wife destitute after cheating on her, leaving Larry Flynt to come to the rescue to pay her, all while pushing impeachment on a president popular with the people.
One more engravement on the tombstone of John McCain’s presidency, thankfully, is Bob Barr’s third-party candidacy.
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:19 pmJohn Kerry an elitist? Actually, Kerry really did not have any money. His father was in Congress when real people without a lot of money could actually be elected. Yes, he went to Yale and a good prep school, but not on his immediate family’s money. Bush was the one with a silver spoon in his mouth from the beginning of life.
Obama came from a broken family. His mother’s side of the family had very little money. He made through school and into the Ivy league. His wife did the same. Now look at McCain, the son and grandson of four star admirals. He lived a very comfortable life from the start. His admission into Anapolis was assured as was his graduation (fifth from the bottom of his class - so much desire to work hard and achieve.) Obama started out modestly and eventually made his fortune by writing a couple of books before he was nationally famous. McCain married in to a beer distributor’s fortune.
We need to combat these labels of elitist. Bush, McCain and Rove are all elitist and totally out of touch with reality. We need to push this in every venue. Something we have failed to do thus far.
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:22 pmLooks like Roger2 just got new blades for his cut-and-paste machine.
Look out fellow TPers. More to come, for sure!
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:22 pmI’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Karl Rover is Draco Malfoy- a pasty-faced loser lacking personality. His idea of wit is being a big bully to the other kids in the class because they they are respected and he isn’t. He thinks respect is something you buy or force people to do. Wearing a dunce cap all your life will do that to you.
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:23 pmoops, one too many theys
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:23 pmOh yes, Inverness is a great club in Toledo. Definitely try the Rueben in the Byron Nelson room. For another good meal, join the Toledo Club downtown.
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:24 pmrogerse Says:
http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/ archives/ 2008/ 06/ obamas-.html
Off topic much? You make no sense with the topic of this thread, now you want to make no sense with an ‘off topic’ point?
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:24 pmThis should provide some fodder for The Daily Show.
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:27 pmHow could Karl visualize a person of color as “that guy”? After all the allusion is to one of Karl’s all-white country clubs. Maybe he was confused by his waiter, valet or butler.
Bush and McCain fail at so much, yet still feel entitled to be POTUS. These guys are losers who get the crap kicked out of them at any real job. Yet they still are entitled. This is the old reich-wing trick of projecting their own faults onto their opponents. If Obama is somewhat elite its because of his hard work and accomplishments. Bush and McCain are only elite by birthright and for pandering to the money and power that control this country.
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:27 pmJMOHR Says:
Bush was the one with a silver spoon in his mouth from the beginning of life.
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correction:
Bush was the one with a silver spoon up his nose from the beginning of life.
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:27 pmCould it just be a coincidence that the ‘Obama as elitist’ message has been almost everywhere on the blogs and some of the MSM the past few days?
HMMMMMMM!!
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:28 pmJust as disturbing as the Republicans’ apparent success in establishing the “out of touch” narrative for Obama as a fixture in campaign coverage is John McCain’s seeming inoculation from it.
After all, John McCain isn’t merely fabulously well off, courtesy of his wife Cindy’s $100 million beer distribution fortune. At almost every turn, the Republican presidential nominee has shown almost a total ignorance of - or yawning disinterest in - the real lives of American voters. From the growing financial hardships of the economic slowdown and the foreclosure crisis to the disintegrating American health care system and the dangers U.S. troops face on the streets on Baghdad, it is John McCain who is truly “out of touch.” Yet voters and pundits alike agree that the supposed maverick is treated with kid gloves by the press, an elitist masquerading as a man of the people.
Here, then, are “John McCain’s Top 10 ‘Out-of-Touch’ Moments.”
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:32 pmHow many houses do the McCain’s own. Eight? Nine? C’mon, how more “regular guy” can you get?
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:33 pmupside99 Says:
Could it just be a coincidence that the ‘Obama as elitist’ message has been almost everywhere on the blogs and some of the MSM the past few days?
HMMMMMMM!!
The GOP is counting on the predictable Low Information Voter (LIV) to run with this narrative. I can just hear the LIV’s now: “Ya know, I hear Obama is an elitist.”. “Well”, another asks, “What is an elitist?”. The next one chimes in with “An elitist is what Obama is.”. And to that they all agree: Obama is an elitist - without even knowing what it means. These are the folks who want McSame to be our next king. And our trolls seem to agree. I pity the fool.
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:34 pmJMOHR: That would be a silver foot…
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:37 pmZed Lefflin Says:
McWars Says:
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I speculate here, that think Obama is in the minority of people coming out of Columbia and Harvard who truly care about the poor. Correct me, please, if that sounds off.
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I am going with what his pastor Wright said about him “he’s a politician”…..that will explain alot….no, just about everything!
Zed,
I guess you feel that McCain has done so much more for the poor? Or that many more people have done more than Obama from Columbia and Harvard? Or that Obama just cares for other people because He is a politician?
Which of these are you getting at?
WOW!!
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:40 pmMcIIIrd’s inability to comprehend the word NO when asked to NOT visit the flood zone, just so he could get a presidential photo op, at the expense of the floodees, consuming their security resources, tells me all I need to know about McIIIrd’s intouchness.
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:42 pmRove is gay until he proves otherwise.
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:50 pmkkkarl (thanks posters) shouldn’t talk about us being safe when the biggest US hit happened on chimpy’s watch. It just goes to show ya that in kkkarl’s eyes there is still a lot to be messed up in the US and around the world.
BTW — I like the kkkarl name, let see if he dresses his dog up in kkk grab next Halloween.
June 23rd, 2008 at 7:58 pmRove, Bush & McCain are elitists putting on airs and flaunting their sense of entitlement. Obama is truly elite and has earned every step of becoming the best of the best. And I dare say, he has not forgotten his humble beginnings or those less fortunate or less accomplished.
June 23rd, 2008 at 8:01 pmMr.NiceGuy Says:
I like McCain’s personal story more,
Which part? The part about graduating at the bottom of his class. Or maybe the part where he was mainly responsible for the fire on the USS Forrestal, which killed 132 sailors, culpability which his elitist father covered up. Or do you like the fact that he was such a lousy pilot he crashed 5 planes, and was probably responsible for his own capture. I know, you must like the part where he came home from the war to find his wife disfigured, so he became a serial adulterer before having a year long affair with an elitist millionaire’s daughter,divorced his disabled wife, abandoned his family, married his rich mistress, and used her money to buy a Senate seat. Or perhaps you like the part where McCain interfered with the investigation of his campaign donor, Charles H. Keating, Jr., chairman of the failed Lincoln Savings and Loan Association, in return for the monetary support of Keating.
That is quite a story.
June 23rd, 2008 at 8:01 pmAgreed. Clinton was a disaster.
No, Reagan was the disaster. His cowardice is what shaped the middle east into the mess it is today. Dealing with terrorists will always blow back in your face.
Always.
June 23rd, 2008 at 8:05 pmno, this is a disaster.
what is going on with
america’s conservatives?
have they shame?
have they no decency?
have they no condoms?
good luck.
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June 23rd, 2008 at 8:16 pm“the guy at the country club with …”
Rove is the master of the “I’m rubber, you’re glue” defense.
June 23rd, 2008 at 8:19 pmZed Lefflin Says:
I am going with what his pastor Wright said about him “he’s a politician”…..that will explain alot….no, just about everything!
Well, Zed, I’m certainly glad for you that McCain is not a politician. Cause if he was, then you would have to “explain alot….no, just about everything,” about McCain.
June 23rd, 2008 at 8:19 pmAnd now, for something completely insane:
Ingraham: Kim Jong Il supports Obama
On Monday, June 23, Fox News personality Laura Ingraham declared that Democratic Presidential candidate Barack Obama has been endorsed by North Korean leader Kim Jong Il.
“In our ‘friends like these’ department, the unsolicited endorsements keep piling up for Obama,” she said. “First, it was Hugo Chavez, and then it was the modern day band of merry men Hamas. And let’s not forget the Jack Lalanne of totalitarianism, Fidel Castro. Now it’s, drum roll, please, the one and only contestant in North Korean Idol, Kim Jong Il, ladies and gentlemen.”
Ingraham’s program displayed a graphic of Kim Jong Il’s face under the title, “(Obama Supporter),” with a number of bullet points and a “fun fact” about the dictator.
June 23rd, 2008 at 8:39 pmJayzus,
How did Faux corner the market on dim-bulb bleach blond Botox Bimbos?
June 23rd, 2008 at 8:41 pmThe country club attack is used by both sides. Rove wants to use it to infer an Obama elitism. Democrats want to incite class divisions.
I’ve never been to a country club, but I bet those people are probably much like the rest of us. Some good, some bad. Using them as a broad brush to prejudice the opposition is disingenuous and narrow minded in either case.
June 23rd, 2008 at 8:57 pmbackup Says:
I’ve never been to a country club, but I bet those people are probably much like the rest of us. Some good, some bad.
And you never will go to a country club. No matter how much you idolize and grovel at the feet of rich Republicans, they will not allow their base of lower class cannon fodder to socialize with them. They are not like you. They just use people who vote against their own interests to retain power, and laugh all the way to the bank at the poor deluded fools.
June 23rd, 2008 at 9:08 pmYeah, like the guy who dubs one of his posse “Fartblossom.”
June 23rd, 2008 at 9:37 pmThat little squeaky voice you hear is KKKarl saying, “save me, save me.” He deserves every bit of abuse he gets here and a nice cell in Guantanomo with blaring music and cold stress positions. Sorry, but I believe some people deserve as good as they give.
June 23rd, 2008 at 9:39 pmRove was the kid who was never popular.
Smart, powerful, yea, but never popular.
Karl’s man crush is unbecoming.
June 23rd, 2008 at 9:44 pmI see Mr.NiceGuy has completely given up on the whole “Concern Troll” game and come out of the closet as a McCain shill.
And as for Zed Lefflin — I’d know that Billy Hill incoherence anywhere.
June 23rd, 2008 at 9:46 pmNote to observant readers: here we see a sterling example of a favorite tactic of the Right:
a characteristic behavior is exposed (in this case, using “Country Club” as a perjroative. even though wildly misplaced). The preferred tactic, “Projection” is not available, or has proven ineffective. So the fall-back is to claim that “both sides do it” and condemn this behavior across-the-board, even though the evidence points to a unilateral commission.
This has two potential advantages: one, it affords access to the “high road” through a transparently faux “even-handed” approach and two, it implies that, since it’s inarguable that both sides do it, anyone on the other side who complains can be seen as a hypocrite.
Doesn’t always work, but it’s got its strengths. backup is tactically on solid ground here.
June 23rd, 2008 at 9:56 pmKarl Rove got beaten up by a girl when he was a young neo-con Republican lad.
So, his comment “the guy at the country club with the beautiful date, holding a martini and a cigarette that stands against the wall and makes snide comments about everyone who passes by” wasn’t really about Barack Obama, but about how Rove perceived how he was treated at some of the many ritzy, hoity-toity country clubs he’s visited where some of the frat-boy country club types sneered at Karl Rove and showed disdain for his daring to think himself good enough to join their ranks…especially since Rove got beaten up by a girl when he was a kid.
Rove definitely needs some psychiatric help.
June 23rd, 2008 at 10:11 pm“the guy at the country club with the beautiful date, holding a martini and a cigarette that stands against the wall and makes snide comments about everyone who passes by.”
Except for the beautiful date part, this is a perfect description of the porcine, porcelain, pasty-faced, puke, POS that said it.
June 23rd, 2008 at 10:25 pmbackup Says:
The country club attack is used by both sides. Rove wants to use it to infer an Obama elitism. Democrats want to incite class divisions.
Hogwash.
The elitism that Rove want to portray, has nothing to do with the country club set. It’s the intellectual elite, he wants to tie Obama to, not the priviledged, moneyed elite. That’s why this attempt looks so desperate: he’s betting on the cupidity of wingnuts, to be unable to differentiate the two, and I see by your post, it’s working.
June 23rd, 2008 at 10:29 pmgolf is fun. you libs should try it one day instead ofdoing drugs and aborting babies. it actually make you relax. haaaa
June 23rd, 2008 at 11:40 pmTroll John Kerry? Is that you?
June 23rd, 2008 at 11:48 pmno but i hate john kerry too
June 24th, 2008 at 12:31 amdrick23 Says:
golf is fun.
So is rubbing braindamaged righties’ noses in their own debunked talking points.
And it’s much less expensive, and less damaging to the environment.
June 24th, 2008 at 1:02 ambarfly Says:
drick23 Says:golf is fun.
So is rubbing braindamaged righties’ noses in their own debunked talking points.
Um - doesn’t that presuppose he had a brain to start with?
Just sayin’ …
June 24th, 2008 at 1:04 amUm - doesn’t that presuppose he had a brain to start with?
Just sayin’ …
Sterno is a cruel taskmaster, and must be appeased - even at the risk of a few hundred thousand completely innocent neurons, just hanging around, minding their own business, and not causing any trouble.
June 24th, 2008 at 1:16 amand Rove reminds me of that “creepy guy” that would slip a young cash-strapped buss boy (at that country club) a buck or two for a quickie behind the country club…..he is disgusting.
June 24th, 2008 at 7:47 amStratRat Says:
The GOP is counting on the predictable Low Information Voter (LIV) to run with this narrative. I can just hear the LIV’s now: “Ya know, I hear Obama is an elitist.”. “Well”, another asks, “What is an elitist?”. The next one chimes in with “An elitist is what Obama is.”. And to that they all agree: Obama is an elitist - without even knowing what it means. These are the folks who want McSame to be our next king. And our trolls seem to agree. I pity the fool.
An excellent narrative of their ignorant circular logic.
June 24th, 2008 at 8:27 amBuckie Boy Says:
Rove is gay until he proves otherwise.
I wonder if all these neocons are closet gays, on a never-ending mission to prove their “manhood”.
June 24th, 2008 at 8:29 amupside99 Says:
How did Faux corner the market on dim-bulb bleach blond Botox Bimbos?
I guess there isn’t much suspense about where Dana Bimberino will land huh?
June 24th, 2008 at 8:34 amI am indeed negative on Obama, no doubt. His phony “change” talk is not backed up at all, imo. I think Hillary would have been a wiser choice, but whatever. At any rate, yes I like a few things about John McCain because he has some interesting, positive personal qualities. For example, he has a proven independent streak, he’s a *very* decorated military hero who also handled his POW situation remarkably well. Although none of those things are political, nor ideological. Its all about his personal story that appeals to me. With regards to the conditions how he left his first wife, well that’s obviously not heroic nor seemingly honorable, but I do *love* how he and Cindy adopted an abandoned girl from a Bangladeshi orphanage. I mean come on, that’s awesome. However, politically, I don’t like his policies nor more than I like Obama’s. I will not be voting for McCain as I don’t like at all how he changes his beliefs from independent one year, then to the GOP party line another year. Clearly he’s keen on political expedience. What is that about?! That’s a typical politician for you. I also don’t like his finance reform legislature which I feel essentially limits free speech during an election. He’s definitely not my guy and he’s definitely not getting my vote.
Someone else also mentioned Barr, and I was seriously concerding him. However he too is far, far from perfect. At least though he seems to be somewhere other than far left or far right. At this point, I’d prefer to vote for none of the above.
June 24th, 2008 at 1:47 pmralph. Am late, but I just saw your post #119.
I disagree with it, but I have to admit, it’s a great post.
Well done.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:24 pmIt doesn’t mean Rove is “with the beautiful date, holding a martini and a cigarette that stands against the wall and makes snide comments about everyone who passes by.”
June 24th, 2008 at 6:42 pmThrow Rove’s terrorist traitor @ss into Gitmo! Nobody should even listen to this ugly creature any more considering the amount of damage he’s done to the U.S. for many years to come.
June 24th, 2008 at 8:55 pm