Fox Analyst: Iraqis ‘Owe Us’ 100-Year Leases On Their Oil, ‘We Ought To Take It’
Fox Analyst: Iraqis ‘Owe Us’ 100-Year Leases On Their Oil, ‘We Ought To Take It’
Last week, the New York Times reported that four Western oil companies — Exxon Mobil, Shell, Total, and BP — are in the final stages of negotiating no-bid oil contracts “to service Iraq’s largest fields.” These contracts would run for one to two years, and give the oil companies a “foothold” in bidding on future contracts.
But one-to-two year service contracts aren’t enough for analyst Bob Beckel, a Fox News liberal. On the O’Reilly Factor last night, Beckel said that “what we ought to do is get Iraq to give us a 100 year lease” for exploring their oil fields:
BECKEL: OK, now, what we ought to do is get Iraq to give us 100 year lease on their unexplored — they’re the second largest source of oil in the world. Known reserves. Give the United States oil companies 100 year leases. Let us explore. We can get it quickly. It’s through sand. It’s the fastest way to get oil.
Beckel justified giving U.S. oil companies a century of business in Iraq by claiming, “The Iraqis owe us, Bill. We ought to take it.” Watch it:
As the New York Times notes, such no-bid contracts play into the suspicions of those who believe that the U.S. invaded Iraq “precisely to secure the oil wealth these contracts seek to extract.” It’s uncertain what role the U.S. played in negotiating the four no-bid contracts.
If U.S. companies were given 100-year leases like Beckel wants, more people would likely agree with former Centcom Commander John Abizaid’s 2007 claim about the war in Iraq: “Of course it’s about oil.”
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Fox Analyst: Iraqis ‘Owe Us’ 100-Year Leases On Their Oil, ‘We Ought To Take It’
Of course they do ; it’s just like the American Indians .
Except the lease is for several thousand millenia ……..
June 24th, 2008 at 1:38 pmno no no this war is all about Freedom! our freedom to do, take, kill whatever or whoever we want!!
June 24th, 2008 at 1:39 pmAnd just where were the voices before the invasion of Iraq that claimed its all about oil ? So few of us that the rest shouted us down. 4109 lives later, they died for oil greed. Think about that when you pull that SUV in for a fill up. But if you were one of the deniers then 4109 lives don’t bother you at all now.
June 24th, 2008 at 1:40 pm.
… Because it’s our oil under their sand.
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June 24th, 2008 at 1:41 pm.
billo, you may have just passed so low under the bar that your relevance matched that of fossilized whale feces.
And you just solidified the one of the three reasons we are in Iraq; oil for American companies and service companies. The other two are for the 51st state, Israel and the third was Dubya’s codpiece photo op ‘Mission Accomplished’ moment.
What a bunch of sick NeoCon scumbags!
June 24th, 2008 at 1:42 pmHow much are those companies going to cover our expenses for making this possible?
June 24th, 2008 at 1:45 pmSo the Iraqi people invited us into their country and offered to give us their oil if we invaded them. Well who knew?
June 24th, 2008 at 1:46 pmGive the United States oil companies 100 year leases. Let us explore. We can get it quickly. It’s through sand. It’s the fastest way to get oil.
And that shows the off-shore driilling push was just a scam. There are hundreds of capped, already-drilled wells in the US, that simply have too high a sulfur content, making it harder to bring to market. They want that sweet, easily refinable Iraqi crude, so they can reduce costs while keeping the price high.
June 24th, 2008 at 1:46 pmBob Says:
How much are those companies going to cover our expenses for making this possible?
Pay us?????? We have given them billions in tax relief for this ‘privilege’ to bend over and take that petroleum enema!
June 24th, 2008 at 1:46 pmBob Says:
How much are those companies going to cover our expenses for making this possible?
Ha ha ha! Oh you are a funny man! Stop it, you’re killing me!
June 24th, 2008 at 1:48 pmAnd there you have it!
A cause for War!
No WMD!
No 9/11 connection.
No imminent threat.
But a 100 year lease for oil.
Some days, I seriously shake my head in disbelief with mucking foronic statements like this.
June 24th, 2008 at 1:49 pmtexaslady Says:
June 24th, 2008 at 1:50 pmBut if you were one of the deniers then 4109 lives don’t bother you at all now.
Plus uncounted tens of thousands of iraqis.
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Bill and Bob agree… “let’s…”
When suggests a solution Bill shuts her up with, “We don’t a list of ‘Let’s do this, then this…’”
Pot callin kettle there BilDoh.
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June 24th, 2008 at 1:50 pmIf U.S. companies were given 100-year leases like Beckel wants, more people would likely agree with former Centcom Commander John Abizaid’s 2007 claim about the war in Iraq: “Of course it’s about oil.”
Was there ever any doubt? The arrogance of Beckel and his ilk is beyond belief, let’s invade and destroy a sovereign nation that never was any threat to us, kill hundreds-of-thousands of it’s people and then claim they owe us.
http://progressiveworldreview.com
June 24th, 2008 at 1:51 pmTheir confidence during an election year, with gas prices gone to insane levels, is in openly admitting that the Iraq invasion was all about oil? How could they possibly believe that this is good timing on their part?
June 24th, 2008 at 1:51 pmDid the greatest generation give birth to a herd of brats who’ve made pillaging the earth a white-collar full-time job?
June 24th, 2008 at 1:55 pmlock_box Says:
Freedom isn’t free!
So stop complaining about $4/gallon gas already!
June 24th, 2008 at 1:58 pmMcWars Says
June 24th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Their confidence during an election year, with gas prices gone to insane levels, is in openly admitting that the Iraq invasion was all about oil? How could they possibly believe that this is good timing on their part?
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It’s lousy timing on their part. Which is why I have a feeling that the neocons may privately set Bob Beckel straight on this one…
(Quiet, you fool! We don’t openly admit that while we’re trying to win an election!)
June 24th, 2008 at 1:58 pmlock_box:
June 24th, 2008 at 1:58 pmWhat up you “trite-an”?
Are we sure that Bob Beckel isn’t just another performance artist — like Stephen Colbert or Daryll of Parodyll?
June 24th, 2008 at 1:59 pmBill O’lielly really makes me ill.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:00 pmMcwar – No, just a few of the top 1% ers that think they world is theirs to use as they want. bush Senior was shocked for months that America had the audacity to vote him out of office. This world is their entitlement, can’t you see ? Just keep working and pay your taxes tho, but surely don’t expect anything for your tax dollar.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:01 pmWe didn’t invade and occupy Iraq for oil, terrorism, WMD, or any other BS-Neocon reason. We invaded and occupied Iraq so GWB could get re-elected in 2004. Since he was re-elected, name one thing GWB has done to improve what is going on in Iraq today. Slogans don’t count.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:01 pmPaul W Says
June 24th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
Was there ever any doubt? The arrogance of Beckel and his ilk is beyond belief, let’s invade and destroy a sovereign nation that never was any threat to us, kill hundreds-of-thousands of it’s people and then claim they owe us.
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It’s pirate mentality. It’s what basically drives the neocons.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:01 pmlock_box Says:
Freedom isn’t free!
Oy.
So, we’re going to steal their oil, build Disneyland-on-the-Tigris, and toss a few shekel’s their way, as a tip?
Are they the new Indians? When will The Trail of Tears ride be up and running?
June 24th, 2008 at 2:02 pmSaddam, the unelected dictator of Iraq, owned and controlled it all it.
And didn’t he sell us a whole lot of it?
June 24th, 2008 at 2:04 pmSomehow I’m just not buying into Beckel’s suggestion that the people of Iraq were offering oil in return for the destruction of their country.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:04 pmtubesock_box Says:
Freedom isn’t free!
All of those dead innocent Iraqis never expected the invoice.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:07 pmTracy5 Says:
Before the invasion and the 25 years before that the Iraqi people never had control or owned their oil anyway. Saddam, the unelected dictator of Iraq, owned and controlled it all it.
That sounds familiar. Do the American people have control over our oil? If not, who owns and controls it?
More offshore oil drilling? Not so fast.
I live on Dauphin Island, 3 miles into the Gulf of Mexico, off the coast of Alabama. As I read the political positioning by the president and presidential candidates on whether to rescind restrictions on offshore oil drilling as a solution to soaring gas prices, I can only shake my head while gaping at the brightly lit crown of oil and natural gas rigs that surround my community.
What’s astonishing is that while the State of Alabama sold its shores to Exxon, et al., half a century ago, Alabamians pay the same price at the pump as everyone else.
Nor does the state seem to benefit much peripherally from oil company profits, since Gov. Bob Riley has been waging legal war with the oil giants for the state’s minimal share of offshore profits.
And to beat all, Alabamians actually pay the highest price in the nation for its natural gas, the saltwater forest of gas rigs notwithstanding.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:08 pmlock_box Says:
when did you hear me complain?
You’re right. You, personally, haven’t complained, and I shouldn’t have implied that you personally did.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:08 pmThese people are immoral and obscene!!! I never seen so much evil!
June 24th, 2008 at 2:09 pmI wonder how long it will take to pump out all of the oil in Iraq, maybe 100 years?
June 24th, 2008 at 2:10 pmlock_box Says:
it cost a buck o five!
Derka derka, daka-laka-laka.
Ok, kidding aside, this is the real world where Team America ain’t the World Police (more like the World Bully).
June 24th, 2008 at 2:10 pmThe Iraqi’s don’t owe us jack, we destroyed their country.
Beckel is a crypto right winger, not a liberal, who knows that Murdoch butters his bread. Why do you think that Hannity likes him (Beckel) so much?
_AIO_
June 24th, 2008 at 2:11 pmlock_box Says:
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Freedom isn’t free!
June 24th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
There isn’t a chance in hell that any American’s “Freedom” hinges on anything going on in Iraq , twit……….
June 24th, 2008 at 2:12 pmHey Billo, I thought you were going to be all over this administration if no WMD were found…
He must own oil stocks. ;)
June 24th, 2008 at 2:12 pmlock_box Says:
it cost a buck o five!
Are you listening? You are the dumbest troll on the Internet.
What’s the use? The troll won’t even bring himself to care for a devastated Iraq and an increased terror threat to U.S., where no one wants him to live.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:14 pmZooey Says:
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Hey Billo, I thought you were going to be all over this administration if no WMD were found…
He must own oil stocks. ;)
June 24th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Either that
Or loofahs are a petroleum based product………..
June 24th, 2008 at 2:14 pm“If U.S. companies were given 100-year leases like Beckel wants, more people would likely agree with former Centcom Commander John Abizaid’s 2007 claim about the war in Iraq: “Of course it’s about oil.”
Hm…so, I assume that if they aren’t given such leases more people will say it wasn’t about oil?
June 24th, 2008 at 2:15 pmOnce again the Repugs show they have no souls and less sense to mention something like this before the election.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:17 pmKeltoi Says:
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“If U.S. companies were given 100-year leases like Beckel wants, more people would likely agree with former Centcom Commander John Abizaid’s 2007 claim about the war in Iraq: “Of course it’s about oil.”
Hm…so, I assume that if they aren’t given such leases more people will say it wasn’t about oil?
June 24th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
No
It will be about the Iraqi people finally wising up and rising up …….
June 24th, 2008 at 2:18 pmHow about if we ban Fox News for a 100 years?
The pain, lies & distortions suffered by the American people on public airwaves can never be rectified unless we put a stop to the lies & madness.
We have archives of all their bullshit. A Class Action suit on distorting & lying about facts may hold some weight.
Is their a lawyer ‘in the house’?
June 24th, 2008 at 2:18 pmHm…so, I assume that if they aren’t given such leases more people will say it wasn’t about oil?
Last week, the New York Times reported that four Western oil companies — Exxon Mobil, Shell, Total, and BP — are in the final stages of negotiating no-bid oil contracts “to service Iraq’s largest fields.”
‘Nuff said.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:19 pmBeckel justified giving U.S. oil companies a century of business in Iraq by claiming, “The Iraqis owe us, Bill. We ought to take it.”
I guess they think this is a variation on the “you break it you own it rule”. We broke Iraq so now we own them, including their resources. Right guys….Iraq’s just going to sit idly by and let us get away with that.
Part of the so-called reconciliation plan has always been that Iraq would grant US oil companies a 30 year lease on their oil, meaning that our oil company would get the profit. Funny thing, though, Iraq isn’t buying it. I wonder why that is?
June 24th, 2008 at 2:22 pmSince darth and shrub have been in power, my gas budget for my car has increased from 100/month to 350/month. My FPL budget has increased from 75/month to 200/month and my grocery budget has increased from 500/month to almost 1000/month. And our tax rate has gone from 11.5% to 17%.
I would say they haven’t done anything to improve what is going on since day one.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:23 pmI see now. McCain wants our troops there for 100 years to protect our oil companies for their 100 year leases. At least they have finally put up some sort of timetable for withdrawal.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:24 pmZimzone,
Fox won a lawsuit that allows the media to legally lie.
Check it out.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:25 pmThe United States should nationalize our oil fields.
U.S. Has Royalty Plan to Give Windfall to Oil Companies
Published: February 14, 2006
WASHINGTON, Feb. 13 — The federal government is on the verge of one of the biggest giveaways of oil and gas in American history, worth an estimated $7 billion over five years.
Royalty-Free Oil and Gas New projections, buried in the Interior Department’s just-published budget plan, anticipate that the government will let companies pump about $65 billion worth of oil and natural gas from federal territory over the next five years without paying any royalties to the government.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:27 pmLet’s apply this war for oil logic to the surge. The US will not leave Iraq regardless of the security situation until US oil companies have the 30 year contracts to extract and PROFIT from Iraqi oil. This is why the “oil law” including these lease provisions is a benchmark that the administration keeps pushing.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:28 pmbarfly Says:
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Hm…so, I assume that if they aren’t given such leases more people will say it wasn’t about oil?
Last week, the New York Times reported that four Western oil companies — Exxon Mobil, Shell, Total, and BP — are in the final stages of negotiating no-bid oil contracts “to service Iraq’s largest fields.”
‘Nuff said.
Not quite enough:
“Last week, the New York Times reported that four Western oil companies — Exxon Mobil, Shell, Total, and BP — are in the final stages of negotiating no-bid oil contracts “to service Iraq’s largest fields.” These contracts would run for one to two years, and give the oil companies a “foothold” in bidding on future contracts.
So, we’ll see what that “foothold” translates to, and what Iraq looks like in 1-2 years.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:28 pm“Fox News Liberal” = oxymoron
June 24th, 2008 at 2:28 pmFox News Conservative = Moron
misshusseinmolly Says:
(Quiet, you fool! We don’t openly admit that while we’re trying to win an election!)
You know missmolly, the more I think about it the more I am coming to the conclusion that the Republicans don’t want to win this election. I think they don’t want to have to try to fix the mess they created. They want to make it even bigger as best they can and then dump it in the Democrat’s laps. Then, in 2012, after Obama and the Democrats have been forced to raise taxes to pay down our debt and save this country economically, they will be back saying “See, we told you so, they raised your taxes on you”. The problem for the Republicans, though, is that the public knows who made this mess and they know that we are going to have to do some financial belt tightening to get out of the mess. They know that all the Republicans will do is to drive us deeper into debt.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:28 pmDoes anyone really think that the energy industry folks, who were happy bilking old people out of their life’s savings during the california energy crisis, would blink twice at using their buddy in the White House – and a terrorist attack that killed thousands of americans – to crack the Iraq oil nut?
Please.
These dogs are americans in name, only.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:28 pmWe are at war….no, I don’t mean Iraq or Afghanistan…I mean with the corporations of the US. The corporate conglomerates have long ago declared war on the American public. They have pushed through laws that grant them person-hood, and have gone on to game the system in favor of their interests at the expense of every citizen except about 1% of the population.
Now they are hiring the lowest, most morally compromised individuals to bully the public and the lawmakers into again further stripping the public of their protections against the corporate cutpurses.
It’s not enough for corporations to persuade and lie people into spending money on their products, now they browbeat, threaten and pass laws that force people to hand over their income. (Check out the famous ADM massive price-fixing case some years ago…the corporate heads referred to the consumer as “their enemy.”)
We are little more than walking ATMs and cannon fodder to the corporate message-setters who operate under the guise of CNN, FOX, and the presidency. Be aware of just how conditioned to react that the corporations have twisted the American public. While people like Beckel are opportunistic cockroaches, the real culprits are the sources that pay his salary and promote his(their) idiocy. Of course, the corporations would rather you waste your rage on Beckel rather than focusing on and costing them.
Find out who they are and starve them of your money. Do it sooner rather than later when they simply take your money through the gas pump, another telephone bill “fee” or a price hike.
Billions…BILLIONS… disappeared into Iraq without one drop of ink wasted on accounting for that money. Apparently the corporations are so confident in their hold over the public, they can squander/steal Billions right before our eyes and know that we’ll still buy Walmart, Pizza Hut, Exxon, cable news and Iphones. We’ll still drop $80.00 a pop to fill those rolling jackassmobiles known as SUVs…hee-haw!
When will we wise up and make corporations serve us as they used to, as they’re supposed to, rather than us fighting wars for them and their oil profits?
Wake up, the game’s on, and I ain’t talkin’ about cable football….
June 24th, 2008 at 2:29 pmPS
June 24th, 2008 at 2:30 pmTrue freedom IS free.
Please refresh my memory as to why we are against getting rights to oil?
June 24th, 2008 at 2:30 pmIf it were just about oil, the US would
have invaded Saudi Arabia: They have more
oil.
It was always about what the government was
doing with the oil money. Saddam
was on a long-term plan of military development,
and would have had his nukes in one decade
or another, if he were left alone to
do his thing. Saddam used lethal gas twice
in warfare, once against Iraqis, once
against Iranians. There was, for him, no
red line between conventional weapons and
weapons of mass destruction. All the evidence
said that if he ever got nukes, he
would use them. That is the bottom line.
Most of the arguments against the Iraq war
June 24th, 2008 at 2:31 pmare against the Bush administration and its
mis-handling of the war. Nobody in their
right mind argues for the sustaining of
Saddam Hussein in power.
Before the invasion and the 25 years before that the Iraqi people never had control or owned their oil anyway. Saddam, the unelected dictator of Iraq, owned and controlled it all it.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:32 pmYes, the dictator who held onto his unelected power by gassing his own people with weapons WE SOLD HIM. Not that Saddam has any bearing whatsoever on the current situation in Iraq, what with being dead and all.
Then, in 2012, after Obama and the Democrats have been forced to raise taxes to pay down our debt and save this country economically, they will be back saying “See, we told you so, they raised your taxes on you”.
Thats why the sunset provision, in the current tax code; the current marginal rates expire, and they are returned to their higher rate. Dems will get slammed as tax raisers, and they don’t have to do anything.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:32 pmSo is anyone else beginning to get the feeling that the boy king’s “treaty” with Iraq is a sneaky way of him trying to force American taxpayers to foot the bill so that American soldiers can risk their lives protecting profits for Bush’s friends in Exxon, Mobil, Shell, Total and BP? If the oil giants want a piece of the Iraqi oil-pie I think that they should spend some of their record profits and HIRE THEIR OWN DAMNED SECURITY. I’m sure George can check his rolodex and give them the phone number of his close friends over at Blackwater. I don’t think it will sit well with the American people to know that MORE American soldiers will be dying for oil that profits noone but Bush and Cheney’s oil buddies.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:33 pmMost of the arguments against the Iraq war
are against the Bush administration and its
mis-handling of the war. Nobody in their
right mind argues for the sustaining of
Saddam Hussein in power.
False assumption. The weapons inspectors had him treed, and it was only a matter of time before the world (and his enemies) learned how truly toothless he really was.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:35 pmKeltoi Says:
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barfly Says:
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Hm…so, I assume that if they aren’t given such leases more people will say it wasn’t about oil?
Last week, the New York Times reported that four Western oil companies — Exxon Mobil, Shell, Total, and BP — are in the final stages of negotiating no-bid oil contracts “to service Iraq’s largest fields.”
‘Nuff said.
Not quite enough:
“Last week, the New York Times reported that four Western oil companies — Exxon Mobil, Shell, Total, and BP — are in the final stages of negotiating no-bid oil contracts “to service Iraq’s largest fields.” These contracts would run for one to two years, and give the oil companies a “foothold” in bidding on future contracts.
So, we’ll see what that “foothold” translates to, and what Iraq looks like in 1-2 years.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
Nothing like overstaying the welcome we never received to begin with ………
Over a million have perished in this foolhardy episode ; who gives a shit about the state of the oil industry/business that will occur in Iraq ?
Are bigger profits/striking black gold going to return loved ones to those who are brokenhearted over their avoidable loss ?
Collateral damage my fu(king ass ; there is no such thing.
War = death ; end of story.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:35 pmShame, shame, shame.
on all of us (americans)
June 24th, 2008 at 2:37 pmninja96 Says:
Please refresh my memory as to why we are against getting rights to oil?
What do you mean, we? We aren’t getting anything out of this. We don’t even control the oil in our own country.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:37 pmThe “five sisters” want the leases so they can keep the oil in the ground; thus keeping the supply low and keeping the price going upward. It’s a great plan, for them and those invested in them. For the end users, not so much.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:37 pmninja96 Says:
Please refresh my memory as to why we are against getting rights to oil?
Because IT DOESN’T BELONG TO US. We are trying to steal their oil. How would you feel if Iraq had invaded our country, pretty much destroyed it and then tried to make us give them our oil for free?
June 24th, 2008 at 2:38 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
…then tried to make us give them our oil for free?
We do give away our oil for free, to the same companies who want the oil in Iraq.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:41 pmThis just proves that the United States is a mean, mean country. Taking things that don’t belong to them and claiming that it’s owed to them. Them = oil companies, and they politicians they own.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:42 pmRick Y says:
Nobody in their
right mind argues for the sustaining of
Saddam Hussein in power.
False. Cheney said taking out Saddam would be bad because in his words “what do we put in his place?”. Well, now we know who we put in his place: The American soldier. Saddam was no threat to us or to the world. He was a balance to Irans ME ambitions…
Why am I wasting my time explaining world affairs to you?
June 24th, 2008 at 2:42 pm62. Rick Y Says:
My aren’t we a good little right wing troll. It has all the talking points down pat.
I have a suggestion for you and all the other trolls who hang around here. I suggest that you all get some therapy to handle the anger and grief you will be suffering on November 3. It might just keep your head from exploding.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:42 pmOkay Bilbo. Just asking. I’m kinda new here.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:42 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
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62. Rick Y Says:
I suggest that you all get some therapy to handle the anger and grief you will be suffering on November 3. It might just keep your head from exploding.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Better still , just stay home and let nature run its course……
June 24th, 2008 at 2:47 pmRick YMe Says:
Most of the arguments against the Iraq war
are against the Bush administration and its
mis-handling of the war. Nobody in their
right mind argues for the sustaining of
Saddam Hussein in power.
Yet, even those Iraqis who were oppressed by him, are now wishing he was alive and back in power. That is how much of a fuster cluck this quagmire really is!
June 24th, 2008 at 2:51 pmOh the irony.
Rick Y-Are you retarded, misinformed or simply being deceitful? Saddam used chemical weapons on his own people (although they were rival religious factions)that AMERICA supplied him. He used them as a rehearsal for what he hoped to do to Iran. And it has been proven as FACT that he had abandoned his nuclear ambitions long before the invasion. We didn’t invade Saudi Arabia because they are old friends of the Bush family, moron! Sadam, on the other hand, made an unsuccessful attempt on Daddy Bush’s sorry life. Coupled with sitting on the second largest oil supply in the world and what Bush, Cheney and the rest of the warped neocons felt would be a military cakewalk disguised as part of their “War on Terror”. Your assertion that if Saddam had nukes, he’d use them may have a smidgen of merit to it. Although he probably would have used them on Iran. Jeez, the neocons could have saved thousands of American lives and about a trillion dollars if they had just let things be in Iraq. Hell, the neocons may have even seen Sadam fulfill Cheney’s wet dream by nuking Iran. Then they could have approached Saddam with the offer of taking all that extra oil off of his hands.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:53 pmThere are not enough tele prompts spewing the double speak to change history as it appears many of the thugs are trying to do.
Why has the movie 1984 become unaccessible?
June 24th, 2008 at 2:54 pmOk, I do not/did not support the Iraq war and we all know a lot of it was about this oil and I don’t agree w/ that either. But now that we are there, do we really want Russian and/or Chinese (allies of Iran/Sudan) firms controlling it? Sorry, but that’s the sad reality, it’s Western firms or them.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:58 pmLast night I knocked over a 7/11. So today I should bill them for my time as a security consultant ?
June 24th, 2008 at 2:59 pmZooey,
Thanks for the link; albeit to a disgusting story.
Fox sucks, but Bush blows.
June 24th, 2008 at 3:04 pmI humbly apologize for my previous insult to retarded people.
June 24th, 2008 at 3:04 pmYes, and then claim right to control the Slurpy machine.
June 24th, 2008 at 3:04 pmbigeugene Says:
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Ok, I do not/did not support the Iraq war and we all know a lot of it was about this oil and I don’t agree w/ that either. But now that we are there, do we really want Russian and/or Chinese (allies of Iran/Sudan) firms controlling it? Sorry, but that’s the sad reality, it’s Western firms or them.
June 24th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
What “Western firms” are you friggin talking about ?
Wild West City ?
Oil companies are not East-West or even us-them ; it’s all THEM and everyone else……..
June 24th, 2008 at 3:05 pmbigeugene Says:
Ok, I do not/did not support the Iraq war and we all know a lot of it was about this oil and I don’t agree w/ that either. But now that we are there, do we really want Russian and/or Chinese (allies of Iran/Sudan) firms controlling it? Sorry, but that’s the sad reality, it’s Western firms or them.
I know global affairs are not the issues the right side is very good at, but doesn’t your statement sort of suggest what the rest of the planet already knows: We invaded a soverign nation, under false pretenses, only to gain a foothold on their oil fields. That is how the planet looks at what Bush has done. It was wrong in planning, and it is wrong in its execution. It’s wrong on all levels; even the UN and the Pope know this.
So your point is that the biggest bully should control things? Yeah, and Reagan and Bush were both cowboys.
June 24th, 2008 at 3:06 pmhad enough Says:
“Why has the movie 1984 become unaccessible?”
Dick Cheney bought up all the copies and gives them out as gifts to his Haliburton, KBR and oil buddies every April 20th.
June 24th, 2008 at 3:06 pmUSA: Come on Iraq, we attacked you, and destroyed your country, now give us all your oil.
Iraq: Why should we do that?
USA: Because we have the right to do anything we want, we are America, after all.
June 24th, 2008 at 3:06 pmStratRat Says:
So your point is that the biggest bully should control things? Yeah, and Reagan and Bush were both cowboys.
Uhh, hate to burst your bubble, Strat, but ONE of those two ain’t a cowboy!
One wears a big hat, has no cattle and is afraid of horses (per Zoloft Laura).
And Clue 2, it ain’t the dead one.
June 24th, 2008 at 3:12 pmhad enough Says:
There are not enough tele prompts spewing the double speak to change history as it appears many of the thugs are trying to do.
Why has the movie 1984 become unaccessible?
Barnes & Noble has it.
June 24th, 2008 at 3:18 pmupside99 Says:
StratRat Says:
So your point is that the biggest bully should control things? Yeah, and Reagan and Bush were both cowboys.
Uhh, hate to burst your bubble, Strat, but ONE of those two ain’t a cowboy!
Hey, they both play one on TeeVee, and that is what matters to most Americans. It’s the GOP trying to bolster the manhood of it’s anemic candidates (read Glenn Greenwald’s book on the subject, it’s good.). Folks who clear brush are manly; people who graduate (actually attend class and graduate) are elitists. It seems to play well on Fox News, and who is going to tell them they are wrong?
June 24th, 2008 at 3:22 pmStrat,
OK, I capitulate, perception is reality …. at least to the 23%ers.
June 24th, 2008 at 3:29 pmupside99 Says:
Strat,
OK, I capitulate, perception is reality …. at least to the 23%ers.
I always said you were a smart blogger :)
June 24th, 2008 at 3:30 pmThis is the most disgusting meme yet.
Oh yeah, the Iraqis OWE US, all right.
They *do* owe us…but not in OIL.
We Americans are going to pay in blood – and a thousand years of hatred – for what we’ve done to these people…
June 24th, 2008 at 3:31 pmLeftside Annie Says:
This is the most disgusting meme yet.
Oh yeah, the Iraqis OWE US, all right.
They *do* owe us…but not in OIL.
We Americans are going to pay in blood – and a thousand years of hatred – for what we’ve done to these people…
But BushCo is just doing God’s work; setting us all up for the Rapture. So, me thinks a 1,000 years is a little too optimistic, they want it in the next 10 years.
June 24th, 2008 at 3:33 pmThe blood-for-oil critics have been debuncted, as the US never took the oil from the country that we defeated in battle, twice. Used to be that, to the victors go the spoils. I see no issues in entering lawful contracts with the Iraqis that would sell US companies the oil at a discount. Sheesh, get some return on the money spent liberating that place.
June 24th, 2008 at 3:34 pmWhat’s there to negotiate in a no-bid contract?
June 24th, 2008 at 3:35 pmI believe Bush wants the ME in flames for the next Dem president. I think Bush will continue to alienate the planet and our allies, so Obama has a more difficult time healing the wounds of the last 7+ years.
Think about the kind of *cough, man Bush is: A spoiled nobody who got himself annointed to the WH. He has never succeeded in anything notable, and he has a habit of not playing fair. All these thigs make it clear he is not going quietly. He wants to sit on his porch in Paraguay and laugh at the rest of us, as we are trying to fix this mess.
Spoiled angry children grow up to be spoiled angry people.
June 24th, 2008 at 3:38 pmHi Mr. NiceGuy:
June 24th, 2008 at 3:38 pmYou may wish to send the wife and children to a safe place of your choosing. I’d hate to see them become more of my spoils..
Mr.NiceGuy Says:
The blood-for-oil critics have been debuncted, as the US never took the oil from the country that we defeated in battle, twice. Used to be that, to the victors go the spoils. I see no issues in entering lawful contracts with the Iraqis that would sell US companies the oil at a discount. Sheesh, get some return on the money spent liberating that place.
WOW!!! I do hope that was satire! Last I checked, BP was a British Company and Royal Dutch Shell was a DUTCH company.
But I especially liked the ROI comment at the end. Very effective! Could have added a part about the 100s of thouseands of lives that it cost, but that would have ruined the satire part.
June 24th, 2008 at 3:38 pmI wish I could say something snarkful. I just cannot believe a “Faux liberal” could make such a statement with a straight face. The Iraqi people “owe us” for invading and breaking their country, by siphoning their oil and financial future? What kind of world do these TV pundits live in? Is someone holding Beckel’s family hostage and forcing him to make this statement? God help this renegade country, formally known as the United States of American. I’m glad my parents are no longer around to see the descent into moral and spiritual relativity that this junta has wrought on this country.
June 24th, 2008 at 3:39 pmOh Yea, and I forgot to mention that the main service company supporting them will be Halliburton … now ensconced in Dubai, which last I looked, was NOT a part of the US and now pays no US corporate taxes.
June 24th, 2008 at 3:42 pmMr.NiceGuy Says:
The blood-for-oil critics have been debuncted, as the US never took the oil from the country that we defeated in battle, twice. Used to be that, to the victors go the spoils.
I am afraid you are confused. The AUMF did not allow the rape of Iraq; which is what you are referring to. It did not allow the division of spoils – as there were to be no spoils for us, only liberation for the Iraqi people. So you are watching too much Limbaugh and the other hamfisted cowards who truly believe that if we beat you up, we can take your wallet – the spoils you speak of.
It again speaks to the bully attitude of our chickenhawk administration and its supporters. No wonder the world dislikes us and our policies. We live in a world of 6.6 billion people. We need to begin thinking like we all have a stake in the future of the planet. The GOP represents death, progressives represent hope.
June 24th, 2008 at 3:44 pmMr.NiceGuy Says:
The blood-for-oil critics have been debuncted, as the US never took the oil from the country that we defeated in battle, twice. Used to be that, to the victors go the spoils. I see no issues in entering lawful contracts with the Iraqis that would sell US companies the oil at a discount. Sheesh, get some return on the money spent liberating that place.
You are a fool. You are saying that the oil companies deserve to get the spoils of war, so they get a return on the US taxpayer money spent on the invasion of Iraq.
The oil companies are indeed the victors! Meanwhile, the American and Iraqi people are screwed!
Republican foriegn policy 101.
June 24th, 2008 at 3:44 pmWell, the free oil would help…but I also think we Americans should be able to buy Iraqis. I don’t see why we should have to do our own laundry and cut our own grass when we own 25 million people in another country.
June 24th, 2008 at 3:45 pmlock_box Says:
Freedom isn’t free!
June 24th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
yes, the freedom to get these no-bid contracts for Iraq’s oil cost the lives of 4000+ soldiers, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis…yes, you are right for a change…just not in the way you’re thinking…
June 24th, 2008 at 3:45 pmlock_box Says:
Freedom isn’t free!
June 24th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Isn’t that the most fu(ked up jingoistic phrase you ever heard? It’s up there with “These Colors Never Run”. Words from a coward, a true representation of the GOP population.
June 24th, 2008 at 3:47 pmI’ve been noticing the “oil justification” for staying in Iraq coming up with increased frequency lately.
Once taboo, the idea of staying in Iraq for the oil is becoming a common Republican theme. Tom Ridge repeated the same idea last Sunday on Fox, saying we need to keep that oil from al Qaeda.
Funny, even suggesting the war in Iraq is for oil even one year ago would of elicited HOWLS of protest from the Right. Now that they’ve driven gas to $4.10 a gallon, sending soldiers to die in Iraq to protect oil is no longer “offensive” to them, but a justifiable campaign theme.
June 24th, 2008 at 3:49 pmlock_box Says:
Freedom isn’t free!
When you are filling your SUV with $5/gallon gas made from Iraqi oil, be sure to include the $2 trillion we are spending for Iraq invasion and occupation into the price tag.
June 24th, 2008 at 3:49 pmStrat,
Ya think lockedbox has listened to just one too many big hat C&W songs while waiting at intermission for the next ‘pro rasslin’ bout?
June 24th, 2008 at 3:50 pmMcCain said we could be in Iraq for 100 years, so this matches up with that quite nicely, doncha think?
June 24th, 2008 at 3:50 pmDr. Jekyll/ Mr. Beckel
June 24th, 2008 at 3:51 pmI’d just love to see Mr.KnowitAllGuy spout any part of that nonsense he’s posting here on a large soapbox in the middle of Baghdad. He’d last maybe two minutes.
June 24th, 2008 at 3:52 pmFreedom fries aren’t free.
June 24th, 2008 at 3:53 pmHeckel and Beckel, neoconcrows.
June 24th, 2008 at 3:55 pmWell, ok fine. Maybe the US should have just left all those oil wells blazing from the fires that the former Iraqi government set. Honestly, you can’t win for losing.
June 24th, 2008 at 4:00 pmMr.NiceGuy Says:
Well, ok fine. Maybe the US should have just left all those oil wells blazing from the fires that the former Iraqi government set. Honestly, you can’t win for losing.
How many of those wells were set on fire BEFORE we illegally invaded?
June 24th, 2008 at 4:02 pmMr.NiceGuy Says:
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The blood-for-oil critics have been debuncted, as the US never took the oil from the country that we defeated in battle, twice. Used to be that, to the victors go the spoils. I see no issues in entering lawful contracts with the Iraqis that would sell US companies the oil at a discount. Sheesh, get some return on the money spent liberating that place.
June 24th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
You didn’t look like a blithering idiot just the other day , so you decided to up the ante’ ?
You are a fu(king fool if you , for even a nanosecond , believe the oil companies are going to sell that oil “at a discount”.
Corporations , especially large ones , have ALWAYS proven greedy and untrustworthy to do business with ; you’re now proposing the blood , sweat , tears and lives of over 1 MILLION HUMAN BEINGS is redeemable by some dirty , finite fuel source ?
You’re a fu(king piece of shit…………………..And no , you are in no way a “nice guy” ; you’re a fu(king GOP backing d0uchebag.
June 24th, 2008 at 4:02 pmMcMetal, please do not harass me again with your vile language. I’d hate to see you get troll-whacked. Thank you.
June 24th, 2008 at 4:07 pmI guess mr nutzguy would be OK if Russia and China invaded the US and took all their coal from the Appalachians, right?
June 24th, 2008 at 4:07 pmI … drink … your … milkshake!
June 24th, 2008 at 4:09 pmupside99 Says:
June 24th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
Is it legal to use depleted uranium shells to liberate those folks?
June 24th, 2008 at 4:12 pmMr.NiceGuy Says:
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McMetal, please do not harass me again with your vile language. I’d hate to see you get troll-whacked. Thank you.
June 24th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
There is nothing more vile than a sorry little GOP pissant tool like yourself talking so callously and cavalierly about all the lives extinguished in Iraq being excused by cheaper gas , shitstain ……….You are a piece of garbage.
June 24th, 2008 at 4:17 pmOh here we go again, excuse #1441. Bush chased the UN inspectors out of Iraq, and invaded Iraq to enforce a UN resolution. Hey knucklehead, when did the UN request that the US invade Iraq to enforce one of their resolutions?
June 24th, 2008 at 4:21 pmMr.NiceGuy Says:
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I see no issues in entering lawful contracts with the Iraqis that would sell US companies the oil at a discount.
June 24th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
This has to be one of the most delusionally funny and stupid statements ever written or uttered ; believe in leprechauns too , Gullible Wonder ?
June 24th, 2008 at 4:22 pmMr.NiceGuy Says:
upside99 Says:
How many of those wells were set on fire BEFORE we illegally invaded?
Are you serious? The oil fires happened as far back as the first gulf war. There was nothing illegal about that war, except Iraq’s actions against kuwait. Now that you mention it, there is nothing illegal about this Iraq war either. I’ve read UN resolution 1441, have you?
Mr.NiceGuy Says:
upside99 Says:
How many of those wells were set on fire BEFORE we illegally invaded?
Are you serious? The oil fires happened as far back as the first gulf war. There was nothing illegal about that war, except Iraq’s actions against kuwait. Now that you mention it, there is nothing illegal about this Iraq war either. I’ve read UN resolution 1441, have you?
Mr.NiceGuy Says:
upside99 Says:
How many of those wells were set on fire BEFORE we illegally invaded?
Are you serious? The oil fires happened as far back as the first gulf war. There was nothing illegal about that war, except Iraq’s actions against kuwait. Now that you mention it, there is nothing illegal about this Iraq war either. I’ve read UN resolution 1441, have you?
Uhh, Yea I have read it and here is just a piece of how it was misused by your butt-hole BushCo gang:
“On 8 November 2002, the Security Council passed Resolution 1441 by a unanimous 15 to 0 vote, which included Russia, China and France, and Arab countries, such as Syria. This gave this resolution wider support than even the 1990 Gulf War resolution. Although the Iraqi parliament voted against honoring the UN resolution, Iraqi President Saddam Hussein over-ruled them.[citation needed]
While some politicians have argued that the resolution could authorize war under certain circumstances, the representatives in the meeting were clear that this was not the case. The ambassador for the United States, John Negroponte, said:
“ [T]his resolution contains no “hidden triggers” and no “automaticity” with respect to the use of force. If there is a further Iraqi breach, reported to the Council by UNMOVIC, the IAEA or a Member State, the matter will return to the Council for discussions as required in paragraph 12.[2] ”
The ambassador for the United Kingdom, the co-sponsor of the resolution, said:
“ We heard loud and clear during the negotiations the concerns about “automaticity” and “hidden triggers” — the concern that on a decision so crucial we should not rush into military action; that on a decision so crucial any Iraqi violations should be discussed by the Council. Let me be equally clear in response… There is no “automaticity” in this resolution. If there is a further Iraqi breach of its disarmament obligations, the matter will return to the Council for discussion as required in paragraph 12. We would expect the Security Council then to meet its responsibilities.[3] ”
The message was further confirmed by the ambassador for Syria:
June 24th, 2008 at 4:24 pm“ Syria voted in favour of the resolution, having received reassurances from its sponsors, the United States of America and the United Kingdom, and from France and Russia through high-level contacts, that it would not be used as a pretext for striking against Iraq and does not constitute a basis for any automatic strikes against Iraq. The resolution should not be interpreted, through certain paragraphs, as authorizing any State to use force. It reaffirms the central role of the Security Council in addressing all phases of the Iraqi issue.[4]“
Sheesh, get some return on the money spent liberating that place.
And we’re supposed to believe you weren’t pissing your pants over WMD’s before that was thoroughly debunked?
Try the kool-aid, oh gullible piece of shit.
You can’t see the forest because all those damn trees are in the way – idiot.
June 24th, 2008 at 4:24 pmAnyone see Beckel showing up tonight as the Worst Person in the World?
June 24th, 2008 at 4:24 pmDamn, I hate it when the trolls keep bringing their ‘man purses’ to the gunfight.
Takes (almost) all the fun out of it.
June 24th, 2008 at 4:29 pmShoeless,
June 24th, 2008 at 4:30 pmThe use of force was authorized as a result of Iraq’s noncompliance with the conditions of the 1991 cease fire, including interference with weapons inspectors. The UN passed 16 resolutions about this and, frankly, we’ve been through all this before. There’s nothing illegal about it, sorry. You may not agree, and that’s fine, but that doesn’t change the facts. Clearly if the war was illegal then the UN would have dealt with this illegality. Kofi Anan’s 20/20 comments made in retrospect regarding his own personal opinions on the legality of the war certainly don’t constitute such a declaration of illegality. I don’t think you have a legal leg to stand on here. Let’s not go here. What’s important at this point is not how we got here, but rather what to do now that we are here.
And to go with those 100 year oil leases…
As McCain says: the 100 year occupation
June 24th, 2008 at 4:31 pmTracy5 Says:
Considering oil is an international commodity sold on the international market then in absolute terms the world owns it. Seems like you are advocating nationalizing the oil and gas industries.
Wrong again Tracist. Oil in the US does not belong to the world. It belongs to the American people. Yet, in the US, oil companies pump oil for virtually nothing, and the public receives no benefit from our own natural resources. In some countries, like Norway, the oil fields are owned by the state, and most of the profits go to benefit the population. In this way, Norway has put aside one of the largest surpluses of money in the world for the retirement, health care, ect. their people.
Yes, I am saying US oil and gas fields should be nationalized. Our natural resourcees belong to us, not to multi-national corporations.
June 24th, 2008 at 4:33 pmMr.NiceGuy Says:
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Shoeless,
The use of force was authorized as a result of Iraq’s noncompliance with the conditions of the 1991 cease fire, including interference with weapons inspectors.
You idiot. BUSH is the one who was interfering with the weapons inspectors! He made them leave Iraq so he could start the bombing!
June 24th, 2008 at 4:36 pmMr.NiceGuy Says:
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What’s important at this point is not how we got here, but rather what to do now that we are here.
June 24th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
Yeah ?
Go to Baghdad and try telling that to the over 1 million Iraqis that have lost loved ones jackass , and see how long you have that cavalier attitude of yours…………..
June 24th, 2008 at 4:36 pmDidn’t you know? Free market predatory capitalism — it’s an addendum to the Bible! You cannot question it. You must not criticize it. You must obey. Manifest Destiny: 21st century style!
June 24th, 2008 at 4:37 pmBTW Mr Know Nothing Guy
War crimes , crimes against humanity and treason do not have a “shelf-life”………..
June 24th, 2008 at 4:37 pmMCMetal Says:
Mr.NiceGuy Says:
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McMetal, please do not harass me again with your vile language. I’d hate to see you get troll-whacked. Thank you.
June 24th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
There is nothing more vile than a sorry little GOP pissant tool like yourself talking so callously and cavalierly about all the lives extinguished in Iraq being excused by cheaper gas , shitstain ……….You are a piece of garbage.
Thanks McMetal for saying what I was going to write. Asking us to stop harrassing a GOP troll – very funny.
Troll, heres a tip: We don’t like you. We don’t agree with you or your reverance for the imperial presidency known as bushco. We can’t use any advice you may provide. We purposely ignore your advice. You have nothing useful to share. But above all else: WE HAVE BEEN RIGHT ALL AONG AND YOU HAVE BEEN WRONG ALL ALONG.
June 24th, 2008 at 4:39 pmStratRat Says:
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MCMetal Says:
Mr.NiceGuy Says:
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McMetal, please do not harass me again with your vile language. I’d hate to see you get troll-whacked. Thank you.
June 24th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
There is nothing more vile than a sorry little GOP pissant tool like yourself talking so callously and cavalierly about all the lives extinguished in Iraq being excused by cheaper gas , shitstain ……….You are a piece of garbage.
Thanks McMetal for saying what I was going to write. Asking us to stop harrassing a GOP troll – very funny.
Troll, heres a tip: We don’t like you. We don’t agree with you or your reverance for the imperial presidency known as bushco. We can’t use any advice you may provide. We purposely ignore your advice. You have nothing useful to share. But above all else: WE HAVE BEEN RIGHT ALL AONG AND YOU HAVE BEEN WRONG ALL ALONG.
June 24th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
Ya know what’s really funny and sad at the same time ?
This is the same chucklehead that claimed :
Mr.NiceGuy Says:
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I see no issues in entering lawful contracts with the Iraqis that would sell US companies the oil at a discount.
June 24th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
And he’s attempting to dole out advice ?
That’s like buying “Miracle Hair Growth Tonic” off a bald salesman…………..
June 24th, 2008 at 4:44 pmMr.NiceGuy, we owe those people reparations, big time.
June 24th, 2008 at 4:58 pm“Yet, in the US, oil companies pump oil for virtually nothing, and the public receives no benefit from our own natural resources.”
“In this way, Norway has put aside one of the largest surpluses of money in the world for the retirement…”
Tracy5 Says:
It’s the government’s job to provide for your retirement? No thanks, I would rather have control over my own money and make ten times the return on my investment versus some burecrat who can cut benefits at will with little or no liability on their part, not to mention the crap return they provide in the form of interest.
That’s the difference between dumbass Republicans like you, and the socialists in Norway. The people of Norway use their natural resources for the benefit of their entire population. You are a fool who wants to give away our natural resources to multi-national corporations for virtually nothing. Good thinking there brain wizard.
June 24th, 2008 at 5:11 pmTracy5 — Seems like you are advocating nationalizing the oil and gas industries.
Hmm. Given the present manipulative conduct of the oil and gas industries and the visible results, you make it sound like nationalization a bad thing.
Tracy wants to protect the schoolyard bullies so they can pick their next victims, enforcing rules on the victims to lay off from punching them in the nose.
June 24th, 2008 at 5:13 pmIraq owes us death, destruction and chaos. If there is a God they will have their retribution and George Bush will pay in blood.
June 24th, 2008 at 5:18 pmTracy5 — Not the way it’s currently produced and traded.
Uh, that’s why we’ll move to change to keep more of the resources we produce. Hello, President Obama.
June 24th, 2008 at 5:19 pmDumbass Republicans, like Tracy, ask the bullies to steal their lunch money as a point of principle.
June 24th, 2008 at 5:19 pmTracy5 Says:
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It’s the government’s job to provide for your retirement?
June 24th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Umm , yeah chucklehead , if you insist I pay income taxes for 50 years , there better be something coming back.
June 24th, 2008 at 5:22 pmTracy5 Says:
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I benefit every day from the oil and natural gas industry…far better than if I had my hand out waiting for the government to tell me how they see fit that I should benefit.
June 24th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
And the hell with the planet and all the problems a dirty , finite fuel source causes in every way including economic , right genius ?
June 24th, 2008 at 5:24 pmBTW. Every last one of our trolls and assorted 25%ers owe Iraq, and the World, a blood debt as well. I really, truly, hope every last one pays their debt in full. I would even subscribe to the evil cable to be able to watch the exec… “trials”.
June 24th, 2008 at 5:24 pmTracy5 Says:
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“Given the present manipulative conduct of the oil and gas industries and the visible results, you make it sound like nationalization a bad thing.”
I don’t like relying on the governement for my livelyhood. The stockmarket has proven itself over the decades as a far better investment than waiting for the government to bless us.
June 24th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
1st off , moron , no here suggested that they live off the government teat or that anyone should.
2nd
I find it impossible that someone who cannot spell l-i-v-e-l-i-h-o-o-d is the next Gordon Gekko …….You know as much about stocks and trading as our president does about literary tools and devices I’m willing to bet………..
June 24th, 2008 at 5:28 pmTracy5 Says:
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“Hello, President Obama.”
That’s the best joke I have heard in awhile! President Hugo Obama? No thanks.
June 24th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
Because your boy has certainly done one stellar job these past 7+ years , hasn’t he , schmuck ?
June 24th, 2008 at 5:30 pmTracy5 Says:
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#150
“Umm , yeah chucklehead , if you insist I pay income taxes for 50 years , there better be something coming back.”
Are you are referring to the crap payback that social security provides? Question: 50 years of paying into Social Security and you think that the benefits actually come close to what was originally payed in? I think we all should have the ability to opt out of paying into social security and be able to invest that money so as to make a decent return.
BTW why would you trust the government to provide for your retirement?
June 24th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
Those like yourself , who were stupid enough to vote GOP straight ticket your whole usless lives , should have no say where your money goes.
As for trusting the government to provide for my retirement , it sure as shit isn’t this one…………
BTW
Your stupidity leaves no doubt in my mind that you will be broke and in a gutter during your retirement years , with a wino urinating on your empty , bald head , to clear off the game of tic-tac-toe he and his friend just played with a marker mere moments prior to that ………..
June 24th, 2008 at 5:38 pmTracy5 Says:
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#152
“And the hell with the planet and all the problems a dirty , finite fuel source causes in every way including economic , right genius ?”
What does this have to do with wanting to rely on the stock market to provide a better return on my investment versus the government handing it out like food stamps? You think that if the government controls the oil and natural gas that somehow it will be a “clean” energy source?
June 24th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
No GOP tool
I was respondiing to your laughable assertion that you ”
benefit every day from the oil and natural gas industry” ; I don’t believe that.
As for being able to do what you want with your retirement money ; your choice for Oval Office has put this country into $10 trillion dollars of debt.
Pay that off 1st , then talk , shitstick…………
June 24th, 2008 at 5:45 pmTracy5 Says:
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#156
Keep up the name calling, because that about all you are good at. LOL!
June 24th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Which still puts me up by 1 over your stupid GOP tool ass ……..And miles ahead of the retarded simian in the Oval Office whom you revere.
June 24th, 2008 at 5:47 pmTracy5 Says:
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“1st off , moron , no here suggested that they live off the government teat or that anyone should.”
You and your other half brainless suggested that we should nationalize the oil and natural gas industry so the the government can dole out the benefits.
“You know as much about stocks and trading as our president does about literary tools and devices I’m willing to bet………..”
You apparently know less considering you seem to think that the goverment can do a better job of providing benefits than the stock market could over the long run.
June 24th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
Since when has nationalization ever been equated with “welfare” ?
Oh , by GOP scum like yourself.
Guess what , nitwit ; more “red states” are on welfare than “blue states”.And it’s funny how you have no qualms about corporate welfare.Typical GOP/Chimpy backing ignoramus.
BTW
My comment was not about my intelligence or my knowledge in recognizing who could better handle benefits regarding one’s retirement , the governement or the stock market ; it was directed at knowing you’re just full of shit and a typical GOP backing dummy…………Reading and comprehension ; another category that isn’t really a “strong suit” for you , is it ?
June 24th, 2008 at 5:52 pmGood thing we have lots of rabid Republicans around, like Tracy, so we don’t have to worry about socialism like those poor people in Norway, Sweden, Finland and Denmark.
UN: ‘It’s best to live in Norway’
For the third year in a row, the United Nations’ Development Program has ranked Norway as having the best standard of living in the world. Norwegians beat out all others because of their high levels of education, pay and life expectancy.
The Nordic countries in general performed very well in the UN survey, with Sweden, Iceland, Finland and Denmark all figuring among countries ranked near the top.
Norway’s average life expectancy is 78.4 years and 99 percent of the population can read and write, according to the survey. The country has 413 doctors per 100,000 citizens and Norwegians are wealthier than ever before.
June 24th, 2008 at 5:54 pmMcMetal, you are giving retarded simians a bad name.
June 24th, 2008 at 5:54 pmMan alive! That’s a lot of off topic spam. My flagging finger is exhausted.
June 24th, 2008 at 5:55 pmTracy5 Says:
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“Those like yourself , who were stupid enough to vote GOP straight ticket your whole usless lives , should have no say where your money goes.”
That’s an even better joke. LOL!
Is it almost the equivalent of the GOP being the party of morality , personal responsibility , and this retard in the Oval Office being a “great leader” and “war president” ?
“Your stupidity leaves no doubt in my mind that you will be broke and in a gutter during your retirement years…”
Your trust in government providing for you leaves me no doubt that you will be forced to move to Mexico or Belize in order to retire comfortably considering your only source of income will be your crap Social Security check. Don’t worry when I retire, I won’t be a wart on the ass of society as you most definitely be.
June 24th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
You’re attempting to make predictions , after 7 years of being nothing but colossally wrong ?????????????
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You possess all the validity of a slick-haired used car salesman…….
June 24th, 2008 at 5:58 pmHussein McCain Says:
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McMetal, you are giving retarded simians a bad name.
June 24th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
And they possessed a good name when ?
June 24th, 2008 at 5:59 pmPeople are seeing their investments go to crap with the present economic downturn, tracy5. I don’t put much premium on investments anyway. Real riches should come from working plentiful, easily accessible jobs.
FACT: Obama will win the election by a comfortable margin, speculators will be clamped down, greed with be clamped down (that means YOU, tracy), and our forces with the aid of the new GI bill will be rebuilt.
I almost find it amusing as much as I do sad that too many children of the greatest generation growing up on the government benefits of returning WWII GIs (i.e., housing) have come to shun with all of their might the ability of others to enjoy the same, biting the hand that feeds (fed) them and claiming “I’m a ready made, self-built man. I succeeded being a man in it for himself.”
June 24th, 2008 at 6:00 pmTracy5 Says:
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“I don’t believe that.”
As Cheney says “So?”. Does it really matter what you believe?
“Pay that off 1st , then talk , shitstick…………”
By the time Obama it done it will be twice that, so I guess we better start paying now.
June 24th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Who is this “we” , shitstain ?
“We” didn’t want Chimpy ; “we” didn’t believe Iraq had WMD’s (they didn’t) ; “we” didn’t break Iraq , you 19%’ers did.
PAY UP……….
June 24th, 2008 at 6:01 pmDon’t worry when I retire, I won’t be a wart on the ass of society as you most definitely be.
Why are you speaking of people that way, who’ve worked and paid into the system?
Companies are constantly cutting pension programs, and you’re complaining about Social Security?
June 24th, 2008 at 6:05 pmIs it not amazing that, when every single “indicator” for quality of life has gone down drastically during the Bush Administration, here and in countries who depend on a strong American economy, there is still a quarter of the country who think “more of the same” is a good idea?
June 24th, 2008 at 6:06 pmIf government policies didn’t protect the principle and dividends on your investments, tracy5, a giddy Manhattan trader wouldn’t have hesitated to raid your accounts and have a couple nights on the town. And if the protections don’t go far enough in the present, blame Republican obstructionism.
June 24th, 2008 at 6:10 pmBP is British.
Shell is Dutch.
Total is French.
As wrong as this whole thing is, why are we supporting these companies? At least we can support home town crooks like ExxonMobil, Chevron, ConocoPhillips, and the smaller outfits.
June 24th, 2008 at 6:20 pmTracy5 Says:
No thanks.
Tracy5’s opinion that America should endure Bush’s third term? NO THANKS.
June 24th, 2008 at 6:22 pmTracy5 Says:
Your attention span is too short. I have stated repeatedly that I am against corporate welfare.
Yet, you claim to reap great profits from your stocks in the fossil fuel industry, which receives about $30 billion in corporate welfare/year. So, you are either a hypocrite or a liar. Which is it?
June 24th, 2008 at 6:22 pm#bigeugene Says:
Ok, I do not/did not support the Iraq war and we all know a lot of it was about this oil and I don’t agree w/ that either. But now that we are there, do we really want Russian and/or Chinese (allies of Iran/Sudan) firms controlling it? Sorry, but that’s the sad reality, it’s Western firms or them.
Well, I guess that’s Iraq’s decision to make, isn’t it. Or do you advocate that we continue to occupy Iraq in our attempt to steal their oil.
If Iraq chooses to do business with a country that has not bombed them back to the stone age, that’s their right. It is their country and it is their oil.
June 24th, 2008 at 6:24 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
If Iraq chooses to do business with a country that has not bombed them back to the stone age, that’s their right. It is their country and it is their oil.
I wonder what would happen if Iraq decided to follow Norway’s example, establish a state oil company, and use the profits from their own national resources for their people.
Would Bush invade again?
June 24th, 2008 at 6:28 pmHey Tracy. Are you retarded or just stupid? The thread topic is the insane assertion that the Iraqis “owe” us their oil. Do you wish to address the topic, or, just jerk off to dreams of capitalistic excess?
June 24th, 2008 at 6:28 pm#McWars Says:
I almost find it amusing as much as I do sad that too many children of the greatest generation growing up on the government benefits of returning WWII GIs (i.e., housing) have come to shun with all of their might the ability of others to enjoy the same, biting the hand that feeds (fed) them and claiming “I’m a ready made, self-built man. I succeeded being a man in it for himself.”
Our middle class was born out of the GI bill’s benefits (housing and education). I wonder how many Republicans out there are where they are today because of the benefits their parents got from the GI bill. That’s how my father went to college and how he bought his first house. Why was it OK for them to have those kind of benefits from serving in the military but today’s soldiers don’t even rate decent educational benefits?
June 24th, 2008 at 6:30 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
June 24th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
That’s an easy one. When the “greatest generation” went to college, and bought homes, we were not led by a madboy (He sure ain’t a man of any kind.) bent on Armageddon. Heck! No one will need a retirement account when Jesus comes back.
June 24th, 2008 at 6:34 pmTracy5 — Of course you don’t you don’t know much about them. BTW which street corner should we all look for you to occupy when you retire?
Occupying a street corner. Enron and Bear Stearn’s employees haven’t lost as much of their life savings, now, I take it?
And when you aren’t able to work anymore where shall you get your retirement money from?..besides the government?
Employment (consisting of the employees who do the dirty work of our economy, unlike the investors hovering over their shoulder) itself should yield two dividends: The bi-weekly earnings from their active work, and the retirement fund (pension) that’s managed properly by the company and assured through government oversight. Social security, a great tool that has dramatically reduced old-age poverty, is intended to be supplemental to a company pension and/or other savings, but it’s increasingly a single source of income because of the declining savings and investments, in addition to the previously noted cutting of company pensions. And on the subject of health care costs alone, it’s become much tougher for the average American to invest their way to keeping pace with the massive increase in those costs.
In conclusion, easily accessible, secure and plentiful jobs should yield someone not only good wages, but a retirement.
That even funnier! FYI Obama is as qualified to be president as I am.
Why are you comparing yourself to a human being.
June 24th, 2008 at 6:40 pmWell. If you want to talk about “benefit”? The oil industry has benefited from Bushco’s follies to the tune of a 300-500% increase in PROFIT. Not INCOME. PROFIT.
In that same time their tax burden has been reduced. Since the oil industry is PROFITING at a disproportionate rate, they should be taxed at a proportionate level. That’s simple economics that the “conservatives” used to follow.
June 24th, 2008 at 6:43 pmWhatsa matter “Retard”. Did I strike a nerve? Still having nightmares about the special ed classes you couldn’t pass?
June 24th, 2008 at 6:45 pmBack on topic. I thought that the Iraqis were going to pay for the war from their own oil revenues. Apparently the new plan is to take it all and let them sell sand.
June 24th, 2008 at 6:47 pmGee, Tracy5 – who needs the stock market when you’re burning up the board with your 10 cents a post!!!
June 24th, 2008 at 6:55 pmAmerican companies don’t “compete” anymore. They either:
1. Build equity and sell it off.
or
2. Sell technology to a foreign company with the smarts to actually produce a product at a profit.
The last 30+ years of American Business practices have been devoted to creating wealth, not product.
Here’s a newsflash. Economics don’t work that way!
June 24th, 2008 at 7:00 pmAmericans for the most part don’t have the time nor the patience to master the trade of the stock market and keep track of the daily ins-and-outs of the market. People like tracy5 believe that financial security should be built their way, only because their successful at it, and no other way. Again, secure company pensions and SS is the BEST way for financial security. I don’t care to be rich in my retirement, I care to live comfortably enough.
June 24th, 2008 at 7:00 pmBTW. How have 401k’s and other retirement funds been performing lately? Going down? How is that possible? The neocons are taking care of our wealth!
June 24th, 2008 at 7:02 pmYou actually buy into that crap? Production has risen and demand has gone down the last three months. But, the price keeps going up. That should not be possible without predatory speculative practices.
June 24th, 2008 at 7:05 pmThere are always ways that can be devised to protect pensions plans. I highly doubt that the best strategic decision to made with a merging/outgoing company is to cancel those plans. It’s not an issue of whether they can afford the plans as much as it is their hatred for carrying out set obligations.
June 24th, 2008 at 7:07 pmMcWars Says:
There are always ways that can be devised to protect pensions plans.
1st step? OUTLAW THE CRIMINAL REPUBLICAN PARTY AND SEIZE THEIR ILL GOTTEN GAINS.
As long as they walk free? No one is safe.
June 24th, 2008 at 7:09 pmTracy5 –…demand has risen and supply has not?
Because they refuse to drill on the 68+ million acres they have leased. Because speculation is unregulated and rampant. Because the saber-rattling toward Iran is not helping. Because the oil honchos want the market configuration to continue yielding them record profits. Because the oil honchos like putting on the act of being helpless victims before congress. It’s makes for a good
June 24th, 2008 at 7:13 pmboardroom laugh afterward.
Again, neocons, the actual supply-demand equilibrium is not in your favor. Your supply-demand figures are speculative. Hence, the futures market.
Tell me how it’s just a coincidence that oil prices have risen steadily from the time Bush took office. Have stretching demand-supply pulls magically taken place during this period?
From Wonk Room:
June 24th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
True. “Speculators” don’t work for the oil companies. They work for themselves and an elite “uber-rich” which includes, among others, the owners of oil companies. They, the “speculators”, would not exist without the obscene level of profit in the industry. And the owners would be less rich without the speculators.
June 24th, 2008 at 8:21 pmDang! I hate my new keyboard!
To conclude: One of the chief weaknesses of our economy is that it’s based on wealth and commodities instead of production. When an economy stops producing enough “durable goods”? The whole house of cards is destabilized.
It can be disastrous for the value of currency as well.
June 24th, 2008 at 8:25 pmThis guy is suppose to be their liberal commentator??? *scratching my head*
June 24th, 2008 at 9:01 pmIf American oil companies are given no-bid contracts for more than a handful of years we’ll see a reinvigorated insurgency.
June 25th, 2008 at 12:49 amLeftside Annie Says:
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Gee, Tracy5 – who needs the stock market when you’re burning up the board with your 10 cents a post!!!
He’s investing his 10 cents per post in oil company stocks, so he can reap the benefits of the massive corporate welfare obtained by fossil fuel industties.
June 25th, 2008 at 8:19 amOne thinking human stuck between two idiot morons.
June 25th, 2008 at 9:15 amThats the news folks!
Tracy, you never answered my question. You claim to be against corporate welfare, yet you also claim to have vast holdings of oil company stocks and receive monetary benefits from the $30 billion/year in corporate welfare obtained by the fossil fuel industry.
You are either a hypocrite, who claims to be against corporate welfare, yet happily cashes his dividend check containing such, or you are a liar, who makes 10 cents/post and doesn’t have a pot to piss in.
Which is it?
June 25th, 2008 at 9:59 amGreat! My comment (far more moderate than the many of the trolls) is awaiting moderation, don’t know exactly why. TP, please, throw a little more work in refining the black hole (astronomic reference) of “moderation”.
June 25th, 2008 at 11:17 amI’ve got an idea!
After President Obama pulls all of the troops out of Iraq, then the major oil corporations, can hire the major security contractors that are already there, and spend some of the BILLIONS of dollars of their profit to ensure their own security and stop gauging the American People TWICE – Once for Gas and Twice for Billions of Dollars in squandered tax money, that is going to protect oil interests around the world, most notably in IRAQ, EVERY DAY!
June 26th, 2008 at 1:26 pmMight I pipe in with the blatantly obvious here?
Getting more oil doesn’t mean we will be able to refine it.
Also, if we’re still depending on Iraqi oil in 100 years (and if it lasts that long) we’re in some seriously big trouble.
And, by the by, Bill O’Reilly talking about “what walks.” Geesh! Hypocrisy! You have found your maker!
July 12th, 2008 at 9:50 am