June 24th, 2008 at 11:24 am Recommend (0) | Report Abuse

Interesting. You asserted some time ago that you work for the military industry programming software. Have you considered the hypocrisy of your position? You are part of the military industry of your country, who has made bombs to drop in Iraq into your way of thinking since 2003 and before.

You think software developers in the industry are guilt free? Who develops the software of intelligent bombs, cruise missiles for controlling avionics of bombers, or the locking system of tanks?

Yes, AIPAC lobbying group comes to mind.

June 24th, 2008 at 11:20 am

Isn’t it true that only an ass such as yourself believes that everyone at Gitmo is guilty until proven innocent?

Bet you wouldn’t want our troops held indefinitely as detainees in some foreign country for 5 or 6 years, not knowing whether or not they’ll get a fair trial because that nation’s government kept information about the charges secret and not knowing whether or not they’ll be able to at the very least challenge their detention.

I remind you that the SOB Bush said that if other nations adopt the above policies that he endorses in the MCA, the world would be a better place. In other words, Bush doesn’t give a damn about how our troops would be treated in other countries, and neither do you.

Tell the family of a troop in Iraq that this is the way you feel, and watch them kick your sorry ass.

UBL didn’t know in 2000 that Bush was the ignorant punk that he turned out to be, we didn’t even know it.

About Bush himself, no, most of us didn’t know — though some, like the late Molly Ivins, had been around him more and seemed to have a much better idea than most.

Judging from Bush’s overwhelming popularity (lasting from about 9/11 to about Katrina), he seemed have a whole nation of scared, ignorant punks behind him. Anyone (like Shinseki) who objected, quickly got sidelined. If any of Bush’s policies were ever sound (which I personally tend to doubt), by the time they filtered down (through many layers of ignorant punks — think Rumsfeld, Gonzales and Boykin) to the soldiers who actually carried them out, they came in only one flavor: Ignorant Punk. Pay those Iraqis back for 9-11 whether they had anything to do with it or not. That was probably the face of America that the Muslim world had already been seeing a lot of, much more than the rest of us. Now who’d like to go and try to explain to them that, all evidence to the contrary, we’re not really like that?

Keltoi,

Also, if UBL wanted to affect US elections, why didn’t he launch the 911 attacks BEFORE the 2000 elections if he was so afraid of Democratic presidents, because, by your logic, such an attack would have helped Bush.

UBL didn’t know in 2000 that Bush was the ignorant punk that he turned out to be, we didn’t even know it. Who would have guessed that Bush would take the focus away from UBL and the Taliban and do something totally unrelated like attacking Iraq?

Chasing down AQ in Afghanistan was accepted by the whole world as being a reasonable response to being attacked. We lost support when we invaded Iraq for whatever reason. That invasion is AQ’s recruiting tool and McCain would be a continuation of it and a continued win for AQ and OBL.

I figure that if Obama wins in November, our self-destruction will slow way down and Al-Qaeda will need to do something to drive us properly nuts again. If, on the other hand, McCain should become president, they’ll have us right where they want us and there’ll be no need for more attacks.

You don’t support bombing others as a method of conversion. Then you must be really mad at Bush because he bombed the shit out of Iraq to try to convert them to democracy. My question to you is, do you love the terrorists who are the Bush Crime Family?

So Daryll, how can they “appeal their case” when no charges have ever been brought against them and they have not been found guilty of anything.

I and anyone with an ounce of humanity inside them (you are excluded) want these people to have the right to know what they are being accused of and to have their day in court.

The problem is we’re streched so thin on the ground in Iraq that we don’t have the options in Afaghanistan… we turned our back on the real terrorists to create new ones in Iraq… and that’s what the experts said would happen at the time- this idea that no one spoke out against this invasion is a myth, just as the idea that there were no options in Warziristan prior to the invasion is a myth… we don’t have much leverage now- but that is because we pissed it away…

The point is Keltoi-
I am not a counter-terrorism expert- I assume few of us are… why are you so quick to dismiss the opinions of the actual experts? Why do you seek our ‘plan’? People are paid to figure this stuff out and Bush is ignoring them…

Okay, that is fair, but I consume as much news as humanly possible from multiple sources and I have heard of no “experts” who know how to get AQ out of the FATA. I’d love to hear a good working suggestion, but the list you recommend in 147 just doesn’t seem like it will have the effect you want.

The people living in the FATA are some of the toughest, most ferocious fanatics in the world. Talking with them is highly, highly unlikely to result in their surrender. At some point, we are going to have to either admit defeat against AQ or go in there after them – the Pakis are just not up to to job and haven’t been since they became a country.

See #148…

People actually have thought this through you know…

I see nothing on your list that will have the effect of dislodging AQ from Waziristan. Even if we abandon Iraq and send those troops to Afghanistan, if you are not willing to have them cross the border, what good are they? As far as getting Europe involved, good luck. NATO already has troops there, and we have been begging for more for years to little avail. Also, many European countries send troops only on the condition that they not go to areas where they might see combat – can you imagaine what a joke they must seem to the tribesmen in Waziristan?

So, nice try, but that set of suggestions is pretty thin beer. Try again?

Actually listening to the Generals and Intelligence Professionals and re-allocating resources to Afghanistan- drawing down in Iraq- restarting negotiations and diplomacy across the board- Getting Europe involved in the rebuilding of Iraq and prosecution of Al Queada as we have lost all credibility on both issues- immediately ceasing the torture and unlawful detention without representation of ‘enemy combatants’ that is recruiting new terrorists so well… etc. etc.

People actually have thought this through you know…