Brownback: It’s Inappropriate To Want To Relocate Gitmo Inmates To Leavenworth, Unless You’re John McCain
Brownback: It’s Inappropriate To Want To Relocate Gitmo Inmates To Leavenworth, Unless You’re John McCain
Yesterday, the Center for American Progress released a report advocating closing Guantanamo and relocating remaining detainees to the “Supermax” prison in Colorado or to the U.S. Military Detention Barracks at Ft. Leavenworth, KS.
Soon after, Sen. Sam Brownback (R-KS) sent out a press release attacking the report, calling it “misleading and inaccurate.” “Fort Leavenworth has neither the space nor the security arrangements to handle detainees from Guantanamo Bay,” he said, criticizing advocates of this position:
I am disappointed that policy makers and analysts continue to talk about Fort Leavenworth as a place to house detainees without visiting the facility. In person visits will confirm why the Disciplinary Barracks do not meet the security requirements necessary to perform this mission, even if Guantanamo Bay were to close.
But an outspoken advocate of relocating Guantanamo detainees to Ft. Leavenworth is Sen. John McCain (R-AZ). In his statement, Brownback — who says he would be “honored” to be McCain’s vice president — left out any mention of McCain’s stance on the issue. McCain, in fact, has long supported relocating all Gitmo detainees to Ft. Leavenworth:
– Q: How would you fight the War on Terror differently than it’s being fought now?
McCAIN: I would probably announce the closing of Guantanamo Bay. I would move those detainees to Fort Leavenworth. I would announce we will not torture anyone. [4/29/07]– McCAIN: I would immediately close Guantanamo Bay, move all the prisoners to Fort Leavenworth and truly expedite the judicial proceedings in their cases. [3/18/07]
But after McCain made these statements, Brownback’s office did not level similar attacks at him. In April, Brownback wrote an op-ed titled, “Don’t put detainees at Ft. Leavenworth” criticizing an article stating Ft. Leavenworth “could work” for detainees. “If the goal is improving America’s security, Ft. Leavenworth is not the solution,” he said. Not surprisingly, Brownback didn’t mention McCain in that op-ed either.
As former Navy general counsel Alberto Mora explained last week, keeping Guantanamo open is a grave security risk, as it, along with Abu Ghraib, are “the first and second identifiable causes of U.S. combat deaths in Iraq.” At the Wonk Room, Ken Gude explains why Ft. Leavenworth “could safely and securely imprison” the Guantanamo detainees.
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Once again, Republican’s campaign using the “wing it” method, saying anything that “sounds right” without checking first to see if it contradicts something their Party has supported in the past.
June 24th, 2008 at 3:43 pmHow about returning the Gitmo inmates to their countries of origin? I don’t see why we need to run a prison system for every country that feels like sending us people.
June 24th, 2008 at 3:49 pmI was for it before I was against it, before I was first for it, then I had to be against it, then I got confused and was for it again. Is that clear enough?
June 24th, 2008 at 3:51 pmChris L Says:
How about returning the Gitmo inmates to their countries of origin?
Because after torturing the poor souls, bush doesn’t want to move them to their home countries because they might get tortured. That sounds insanely insane, right?
June 24th, 2008 at 3:52 pmThey should be sent back to their homes. If they choose to come back here, then they’ll need to rent row boats and paddle across the ocean. It was a stupid idea to even bring “enemy combatants” over here. Again, stupid Republics can never plan accurately. They only strategy that is working for far for any Republic is the super secret Cheney, the dictator, energy plan. Cheney is doing a heck of job of scr*wing the American people.
June 24th, 2008 at 3:53 pmKansas would be a perrrfect place to keep the innocent prisoners from evolving into terrorists.
June 24th, 2008 at 3:54 pmHey Brownback, could that be some good ol’ Kansas NIMBY going on there?
BUT ……Look at all the new jobs it would bring, would get a permanent Faux NoNooz studio, 167 more McDonalds, 29 more Wal-Marts, increase gun sales 250%, more tax revenue for adding more “intelligent design” courses in your schools, probably get some real-life Minutemen of your very own.
Don’t be so hasty, Dude!
June 24th, 2008 at 3:57 pmApologies for all the grammar errors in the previous comment. The mind and the fingers were no cooperating with each other.
June 24th, 2008 at 3:57 pmThey should be taken to Great America and given free cotton candy and all day passes until the log ride and roller coasters turn them into Great Americans.
June 24th, 2008 at 4:01 pmAh, IOKIYAR at work!
Today, I’m really, really HATING Republicans.
June 24th, 2008 at 4:04 pmI am disappointed that policy makers and analysts continue to talk about Fort Leavenworth as a place to house detainees
Well, of course you’re disappointed, Brownback! You can’t torture detainees in this country.
June 24th, 2008 at 4:06 pmrogerse, you and all the rest of the whining, cringing apologists for Evil, Inc. are a gigantic festering pimple on the face of America.
STFU. I’m sick to death of you.
June 24th, 2008 at 4:06 pmrogerse(rogerdo) Says:
There’s no point in the effort or the risk, gitmo is already us terrtory anyway, otherwise they wouldn’t even deserve habeas corpus.
Further proof that drinking and blogging don’t mix.
roger, isn’t this about the time of inebriation when you beat your wife?
June 24th, 2008 at 4:08 pmrogerse Says:
There’s no point in the effort or the risk, gitmo is already us terrtory anyway, otherwise they wouldn’t even deserve habeas corpus.
You really crack me up; sounding like your best toy just broke when the Rule of Law was partially restored and a small semblance of world respect MIGHT be regained.
Are you really this paranoid all the time or does it come in spurts?
June 24th, 2008 at 4:11 pmrogerse Says:
Dr. Hussein Matt Says:
hey stupid fu;k, it is…
Uhh, no Rog, it isn’t a US Territory, it is a grandfathered piece of CUBAN territory that we have a right to use.
June 24th, 2008 at 4:13 pmNow this exchange with roger is a perfect example of why he resorts to cut-and-paste. He gets arse handed to him if he tries to offer his own “facts” or opinion.
Tell us, roger, why shouldn’t the U.S. respect the right of habeus corpus and prove that a particular person should be considered an enemy combatant?
June 24th, 2008 at 4:21 pmIf Ft Leavenworth isn’t secure enough for the terrists, maybe they need to beef things up. Otherwise, we’re going to have a swarm of military criminals wandering around loose, thanks to lax security.
June 24th, 2008 at 4:23 pmBecause the United States exercised “complete jurisdiction and control” over the base, the fact that ultimate sovereignty remained with Cuba was irrelevant.
**psst** roger. Cuban sovereignty is incompatible with being a U.S. territory. You just proved everyone’s point. You must have as much difficulty understanding “sovereignty” as President Bush (the most painful video I’ve ever seen, even worse than that ditzy beauty contestant).
June 24th, 2008 at 4:24 pmHey rogerse(rogerdo),
Since you’re googling whilst drunk, why not try wikepedia and gitmo.
Here, I’ll summarize it for you (bolds are mine):
The United States controls the land on both sides of the southern part of Guantánamo Bay (Bahía de Guantánamo in Spanish) under a lease set up in the wake of the 1898 Spanish-American War. The lease was established in a 1903 agreement between the two governments, and its terms were modified in a 1934 treaty.
Now, if you’re still able to focus,
IT
IS
NOT
A
U.S.
TERRITORY
You’re welcome.
June 24th, 2008 at 4:26 pmDr. Hussein Matt Says:
racist_rogers, thanks for proving to all us that Cuba is not a U.S territory, you dumb piece of sh*t.
I can just see little Rx2 holding his hands to his ears saying “La la la la, I can’t hear you, La la la la…”.
Facts and research are glorious things, no?
June 24th, 2008 at 4:26 pmCan we begin to question McCain’s hypocrisy, flip flopping, and general ignorance in the MSM now please?
And how about his lack of patriotism until he was a POW?
June 24th, 2008 at 4:27 pmBy Rogered up the Arse’s thought process, I should be able to just report my neighbor as a terrorist and I don’t need any proof at all, and he doesn’t even get to know why they locked him up…Sweeeeet!!!
Fascism can be fun and entertaining….at least if you are the fascist, if not, then not so much.
June 24th, 2008 at 4:30 pmrogerse(rogerdo) Says:
nice try…”the fact that ultimate sovereignty remained with Cuba was irrelevant“….
That’s it.
June 24th, 2008 at 4:31 pmCut him off!
He’s now just randomly highlighting words, and thinks that proves him right.
Mucking Foron!
Step 1: Properly and fairly try the suspects.
June 24th, 2008 at 4:31 pmStep 2: Determine the proper and just sentence for the guilty and free the innocent.
Step 3: Then, house them in the facility that best matches their status.
So when’s our lease up at Gitmo?
June 24th, 2008 at 4:35 pmroger, ultimate means “supreme”, “final”, “highest”, “complete”. Let me use it in sentences you might understand:
roger is the ultimate Republicanic apologist and troll.
It is ultimately in your best interest to shut up now and forever.
June 24th, 2008 at 4:36 pmWhy does Roger2 continue to open himself up to all this cerebral abuse? It’s gotta HURT!
June 24th, 2008 at 4:39 pmrogerse(rogerdo,rogerdrunk) Says:
sorry, territorial controll is not “sovereignty”, and you don’t nessesarly need the latter.
My gawd! You’re even slurring when you post! That’s friggin’ amazing.
I almost feel you’re a “please respond to my post” troll, offering hypocrisies just for said response.
Ala Parodyll quoting the Bible “Judge not”, all the while proclaiming “Liberals are haters”.
Oh, I almost forgot,
June 24th, 2008 at 4:44 pmMucking Foron!
I don’t get it, even from the Neocon perspective.
So much of the constitutional ducking of the past 7 years has been that they aren’t on US soil and this can “avoid” the “inconveniences” of the Constitution.
If they come to Kansas, they pick up a whole lot of constitutional guarantees.
Is McCain senile ? (no need to answer that).
June 24th, 2008 at 4:46 pmrogerse is confused, as usual. When he refers to “us territory”, he’s not sharp enough to understand that there is a specific definition for the term “territory”. He thinks it means “turf.” So, if the US currently has control of it and has a “lease”, then it’s “us territory”.
rogerse, it is the very fact that Guantanamo is NOT a territory that caused the Bushies to locate the prison there, in the mistaken belief that they could do what they wanted and ignore US law.
June 24th, 2008 at 4:50 pmRogerse,
You obviously don’t even understand what ultimate means. You have been proved wrong by everyone, including yourself with that quote you provided. Let me try to help you.
Ultimate:
Adj.
1. Being last in a series, process, or progression: “As the ultimate arbiter of the Constitution, the Supreme Court occupies a central place in our scheme of government” (Richard A. Epstein).
2. Fundamental; elemental: an ultimate truth.
3.
a. Of the greatest possible size or significance; maximum: Has the ultimate diamond been found?
b. Representing or exhibiting the greatest possible development or sophistication: the ultimate bicycle.
c. Utmost; extreme: the ultimate insult.
What ultimately the expression “ultimate sovereignty” means in this case (which is very close to meaning #1), is that the United States recognises that Guantanamo remains part of the sovereign Cuban territory, at the same time that it asserts jurisdiction and control over it by virtue of the pre-Cuban revolution lease treaty.
In other words, Guantanamo is Cuban territory, not American.
Let me know if you also are having trouble with the words “sovereignty”, “lease”, or “Cuban”. Or perhaps we are typing too fast for you?
June 24th, 2008 at 4:51 pmThat picture looks like Brownback is in complete rapture from his digital massaging of McDepends’ enlarged prostate, causing Johnny Boy a sweet smile of grateful man-love.
June 24th, 2008 at 4:52 pmReagrding Gitmo, I find this little tidbit to be another thing that makes me go hmmmm when it comes to this administration:
June 24th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
What is NOT mentioned in all this, for obvious reasons, are the unknown number of detainees that are held in other foreign locations, either by US Operatives and/or foreign government operatives. If they live, they will never have the right of habeus corpus.
Ain’t extraordinary rendition grand!!!!!
June 24th, 2008 at 4:57 pmupside99 Says:
That picture looks like Brownback is in complete rapture from his digital massaging of McDepends’ enlarged prostate, causing Johnny Boy a sweet smile of grateful man-love.
Yeah…In looking at the picture, I was wondering where brownback’s thumb was. Maybe someplace dark and scary? I guess it’s not dark and scary to them – oh those mavericks.
June 24th, 2008 at 4:57 pmrogerse,
You have amply demonstrated to anyone with a high school degree that you are in over your head in this discussion.
People with more integrity (or self-awareness for that matter) would have apologised and stopped posting any more twaddle.
June 24th, 2008 at 4:58 pm“..under the 1903 Cuban-American Treaty, which granted the United States a perpetual lease of the area without the Cuban Government reacting. The current Cuban government considers the U.S. presence in Guantánamo to be illegal, arguing that the Cuban-American Treaty violates Article 52 of the 1969 Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, which declares a treaty void if its conclusion has been procured by the threat or use of force in violation of international law.”
By definition, Roger, if you LEASE something, you have no ownership or ULTIMATE control over said property.
And since Cuba is protesting our having their best natual harbor, it makes your argument even weaker!
June 24th, 2008 at 5:09 pmSo Rx2 is offering up dictionary definitions of well known words? Uhmmm Rog? Stop proving everyones point here. Really.
Find some topics you find interesting (avoiding a tour in Iraq, torturing small animals, eavsdropping on your big sisters phone calls, making pipe bombs out of tennis ball cans, etc…). These things I am pretty sure you are good at.
June 24th, 2008 at 5:09 pmrogerse,
You could have told me you had problems understanding the legal concept of territory.
Let’s take a look at your own definition:
a part of the United States not included within any state but organized with a separate legislature
Is Guantanamo organised in a “separate legislature”? No.
a geographic area (as a colonial possession) dependent on an external government but having some degree of autonomy
Does Guantanamo have “some degree of autonomy”? No.
Guantanamo is a Cuban territory (as recognised by the Cuban-American treaty) but administered by the US military -being a naval base and all.
You’re welcome. (Let me know if you need help understanding the legal status of Hawaii. I know it’s only been almost 60 years since it became a state)
June 24th, 2008 at 5:11 pmAll,
I really do believe we are typing too fast for rogerse.
Please try typing with one hand and both eyes closed. Maybe he will catch up eventually that way.
June 24th, 2008 at 5:16 pmrogerse Says:
Gregor Samsa Says:
forget it, your obviously working from a further definiton of the terms you elaborate.
HUHH!!!
Gotta cut back on that self-medication program. Otherwise we will call your mom and have us a little intervention, for your own protection.
June 24th, 2008 at 5:19 pmyour obviously working from a further definiton of the terms you elaborate.
~rogerse
You did understand that I was using your own definition, both times, didn’t you?
Or did it look different when I posted it?
Pray tell, where does Guantanamo’s legislature reside? (this ought to be good)
June 24th, 2008 at 5:22 pmI’ve got an idea. Let’s release them to the custody of prominant neocons. If they want to keep them incarcerated indefinitely? They can be in charge.
Then, after the inhuman bastards allow them all to escape or starve to death we can throw them in Gitmo till they leave this mortal coil.
June 24th, 2008 at 5:32 pmrogerse Says:
flagged, dumbass again.
June 24th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
As if TP’s going to read the first line of a false report, submitted by a glob of troll shit.
June 24th, 2008 at 5:34 pmno trial. no evidence. imprisoned for the rest of your life.
AMERICA!!
June 24th, 2008 at 5:50 pmrogerse,
Don’t feel bad. After all, it is a very well known fact that reality has a liberal bias.
You would have been better off lifting definitions from the Conservapedia, that paragon of accuracy where you can find out how Jesus Christ used to ride a dinosaur to spread god’s word.
June 24th, 2008 at 5:59 pm.
It only
cuntscounts when you are John McCain…IOCIYAJMc… anyone?
.
June 25th, 2008 at 12:46 am